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Indy4
02-23-2002, 02:55 PM
The main Dark Jedi is named Desann.

Some of the article is

The evil of Dark Jedi Desann is much more pervasive than even Luke Skywalker could have guessed. His minions are legions, and you must face them all.
Reborn: Foremost among Desann's servants are his disciples, called the Reborn. Originally, Desann tried to create Force sensitive apprentices through vile experiments, but when these go wrong, he dupes you into helping him realize his dream of truly Force-endowed evil soldiers.
Stormtroopers: These Imperial throwbacks serve Desann and provide a familiar face to fight....

...In the second game, Dark Forces II: Jedi Knight, Kyle learned that he was Force-sensitive and trained to become a Jedi. He fought Jerec, a Dark Jedi who schemed to steal the secrets of the graveyard known as the Valley of the Jedi. However, Kyle's mercenary side conflicted with his Jedi training, and he was as likely to use a blaster as he was a lightsaber. Although he defeated Jerec, he ultimately decided that the way of the Jedi was not for him. In the expansion pack, Jedi Knight: Mysteries of the Sith, Kyle's demons finally usurped his soul, and he was corrupted by the dark side until Mara came to save him...

...The story begins nine years after the conclusion of Mysteries of the Sith, when Kyle believes he no longer needs the Force and doesn't even carry a lightsaber...Kyle is once again undertaking missions for Mon Mothma...His companion on his missions for the New Republic is long-time friend Jan Ors.

The game begins as Kyle is assigned to investigate an old Imperial listening post on the planet Kejim. Mon Mothma suspects that remnants of the Empire have gathered there. Upon arriving on the world, Kyle finds that Mon Mothma's suspicions are correct, as the listening post is guarded by Stormtroopers. Kyle soon discovers that these remnants of the shattered Empire don't herald the resurgence of an Imperial general. Rather, they are the harbingers of a far worse adversayr. A Dark Jedi named Desann has taken over the abandoned Imperial listening post and is using it as a base for his nefarious experiments...

...The first level begins on Kejim...although your original mission is to investigate the listening post and return to Mon Mothma, after Kyle discovers that prisoners are being mistreated at the listening post, you take a detour to help them...

...The second level takes you to a vast mining network of caves and tunnels, then to the Valley of the Jedi. Up to this point, because of Kyle's abandonment of the Force, you'll play Jedi Outcast like a standard shooter...once you reach the Valley of the Jedi, however, Kyle finally understands that he cannot escape the Force; he must embrace it and use his Jedi powers to hunt down Desann. Jedi Outcast is as much abou tmastering your own powerful emotions of anger as iti is about defeating Desann, however, so by the end of the game you must overcome Kyle's Dark Side before you can truly face Desann.

After your epiphany in the Valley of the Jedi, the game's remaining six levels shift to a Jedi-oriented atmosphere as you master you Force powers and use the lightsaber to striked down Desann's minions. you'll travel to Yavin 4 to enlist the aid of Luke Skywalker in reawakening your Jedi powers, pursue a quest on Bespin, and plumb the seedy underworld of Nar SHadda. All the while, Desann mocks you achievements and creeps closer to the culmination of his evil plan.


SEYA

T-Dogg
02-23-2002, 03:04 PM
DAMN you man! I've soiled my eyes! (Well, I only read the first line of your post, but still...) You should've included the words WARNING: SPOILERS! in the topic! I ain't mad, though.

B0MBER II
02-23-2002, 03:05 PM
ya Indy man, better mark those spoilerz

The_One
02-23-2002, 03:08 PM
WOH COOL! Could you scan the article please? =]

Valley of the Jedi again, *jaw drops*

Indy4
02-23-2002, 03:08 PM
sorry somebody edit my post and make it say spoliers

SORRY
SEYA

Indy4
02-23-2002, 03:11 PM
truth i copied it of another page

SEYA

nykel007
02-23-2002, 03:12 PM
AHHH!!!!!! MY EYES MY EYES!!!!!!!!:D

MikeC
02-23-2002, 03:12 PM
Am I reading this wrong, or are you saying that there will only be 8 levels? :(

Indy4
02-23-2002, 03:17 PM
why wont it show up outside the thread it shows my original subject there?

SEYA

Qel
02-23-2002, 03:25 PM
WELL...too late to turn back now...:D


About the no. of mission/levels MikeC...its 8 MISSIONS thats
has 24 LEVELS in it.;)

Qel

Indy4
02-23-2002, 03:27 PM
because i copied it of another site the guy said there were new screenshots
when did this issue come out?

SEYA

Rogue15
02-23-2002, 03:31 PM
yaaaaay so mots is in the storyline. :) returning to the valley of the jedi will be awesome!!! wonder if that at-at is still hanging out there??

X-Vector
02-23-2002, 04:44 PM
I can't believe this, if this is all true then a large part of the storyline has just been ruined.
Which Ravensoft/LEC employee could have leaked this info to Star Wars Gamer?

Eternity
02-23-2002, 05:02 PM
They probably got a beta like PC GAMER.

Shout at Star Wars Gamer instead, what the hell gives them the right to spoil the entire plot.

I don't mind, though.

Much.

X-Vector
02-23-2002, 05:13 PM
Originally posted by Eternity
Shout at Star Wars Gamer instead, what the hell gives them the right to spoil the entire plot.


1. I don't intend to shout.

2. LEC/Ravensoft should never give out betas to any party without keeping control over which part of the content that party is allowed to make public.
If they can't, they shouldn't distribute any betas or similar in-depth info at all.

Eternity
02-23-2002, 05:16 PM
Agreed. But a professional game magazine such as Star Wars Gamer should know how much to give away in an article, as you must eventually concede.

Graphicsgod
02-23-2002, 05:29 PM
I could care less about hearing the storyline before the game comes out (hell I read the book or script of a movie before I see it in the theater). And thats why I'm here to find out all I can about this game to know if it will suck or not. You people and your spoilers,.... sheesh!

The storyline sounds pretty good, and at least they'er including MOTS. So thats coo with me. Can't wait to play!

Indy4
02-23-2002, 05:47 PM
sorry i guess i should of not post it it
if someone has this magizene there a new screenshots and could you please be kind enough to scan them
SEYA

X-Vector
02-23-2002, 06:03 PM
Originally posted by Eternity
Agreed. But a professional game magazine such as Star Wars Gamer should know how much to give away in an article, as you must eventually concede.

Of course SWG have a responsibility as well, but they're journalists - they will want to publish as much information and thereby gain as much attention as they think they can get away with.

Originally posted by Graphicsgod:
I could care less about hearing the storyline before the game comes out (hell I read the book or script of a movie before I see it in the theater). And thats why I'm here to find out all I can about this game to know if it will suck or not. You people and your spoilers,.... sheesh!


I could care less about what you think in relation to this issue, I can only voice my own opinions and concerns.

I've been getting increasingly annoyed with the constant bombardment of in-depth game info lately, which isn't limited to JO at all, but more of a general observation.
I bought Medal of Honor: Allied Assault about a week ago, only to come to the conclusion that there aren't any major surprises left in the game so far - they were pretty much all spoilt by the pre-release MP and SP demos and the countless in-game videos and screenshots.
I just felt that in a a way I'd already played the game before I even started it and I'd hate to see the same happen with JO.

Tap[RR]
02-23-2002, 06:18 PM
Come on guys they're hardly spoilers, you'd find out this information, if not more, on the back of the box AND in the manual. They didnt give away anything, really important such as appreances or plot twists... just a basic over run of the story which is very common to find in the manual of games and back of box.. as ive said in the begining of this post.

Lord_FinnSon
02-23-2002, 06:30 PM
Yeah, it didn't reveal much new info(or perhaps I already know too much), except the name of the main Dark Jedi and Valley of the Jedi being one of the returning levels. Brett Tosti mentioned most of those same things in XGR interview, so I knew Kejim would be first location, after which we'll visit that mining colony on Artus Prime, but it will be interesting to see how Valley of the Jedi really comes into play. BTW, story doesn't begin "nine years after the conclusion of Mysteries of the Sith" like SW Gamer says, but only four years; it's been about nine years since JK though.

MikeC
02-23-2002, 08:04 PM
Originally posted by Qel
About the no. of mission/levels MikeC...its 8 MISSIONS thats
has 24 LEVELS in it.
Qel

:D Thanks. My world is happy again.

Rat Boy
02-23-2002, 08:12 PM
I'd better find more beers so I can forget I ever saw this posts. WEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEE!

Indy4
02-23-2002, 08:52 PM
whoever has this magizene scan the pics

SEYA

Apparition
02-24-2002, 01:02 AM
Originally posted by Indy4
whoever has this magizene scan the pics

SEYA

If everyone on this forum paypals me $10 I'll pick up a copy and scan it :)

ESE_SithEmperor
02-24-2002, 01:07 AM
(nt)

Zx2
02-24-2002, 02:01 AM
*much drooling*

I MUST HAVE THIS GAME!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

;)
:D:D:D:D

Qel
02-24-2002, 05:25 AM
I don't know why u guys really care what a magazine says about the story...

...so far from what i've read pc gamer little hints of the story and Star Wars Gamers spoilers don't seem to be the same....
Pc Gamer says that the final boss appearance will surprise u &
Star Wars gamer says its DESANN..WHO THE HELL IS DESANN???

As far as i'm concerned nothing has spoilt the story.;)

Qel

The Truthful Liar
02-24-2002, 05:30 AM
WOOOOOOOHOOOOOOO!!!!!!!! AWSOME! :D

You sir, have made my day.

Cheers ;)

The Bothan Spy
02-24-2002, 06:15 AM
Isn't anyone else disappointed that the game isn't going to fit in AT ALL with the whole timeline of the Expanded Universe? Jedi Outcast is set 12 years after ANH, which means it's at the same time as or just after the Jedi Academy Trilogy of books and I, Jedi. This whole "another Dark Jedi" storyline isn't in the books, and no way would just Kyle Katarn be going after a Dark Jedi, the New Republic would send a fleet after him, or all of the new Jedi.

It also means that Jedi Knight was set at the same time as ESB(or around then), but I'm sure it was supposed to be set after ROTJ - doesn't it say that in the manual or something? If it was during ESB, then that completely doesn't fit in with the Star Wars universe!

In ANH, Grand Moff Tarkin (instead of telling Vader he was all that remained of his religion) would have said "Yes, it's entirely possible that Obi Wan or some other Jedi is here on the Death Star, after all, there are loads of them running around, you and the Emperor did a useless job of wiping them out!!".

And Yoda in ESB would have been like "There is another...well actually there's loads of others, so not to worry if Luke gets killed, we'll just send our mate Kyle to sort them out!".

And Mara Jade couldn't have been in MotS, because while she WAS working for Talon Kardde, she probably hadn't met Luke at that time, fought C'baoth and started really using the Force.

Or am I just wrong about this all???

JEDI OUTCAST
02-24-2002, 06:24 AM
i think you have to work on this one

The Bothan Spy
02-24-2002, 06:26 AM
Originally posted by JEDI OUTCAST
i think you have to work on this one

Huh?

CaptainRAVE
02-24-2002, 06:46 AM
My favourite piece of info was about the lightsaber throw....
1st level it just goes out and comes back to you like in JK
2nd level it can be controlled in mid air
3rd level it seeks the enemies itself
It can also get knocked out of the air, but can be force pulled back if it does :D........sounds cool

The Truthful Liar
02-24-2002, 07:02 AM
JK2 = cool, Cool, Cool!, Cool!! & COOL!!! :D

It doesn't fit 'story-line'?? - Do I look like I care :D

Cheers ;)

Neonix
02-24-2002, 07:31 AM
yup yup JKII will be cool, especially returning to the valley of the Jedi , but some things dont make sense, after kyle had defeated Jerec the VotJ was rendered useless as a weapon right, well anyway it'l probaply be cool


YAY for JK II

The Bothan Spy
02-24-2002, 08:06 AM
Originally posted by AB_Legion
JK2 = cool, Cool, Cool!, Cool!! & COOL!!! :D

It doesn't fit 'story-line'?? - Do I look like I care :D

Cheers ;)

You might not, but personally, I like things to make some SENSE. If it fitted in with what has been approved by Lucas, it would add to the immersion in his fictional universe! If not, then, to me, it doesn't seem as much "Star Wars".

Taking things at face value is all well and good, and if you are happy doing that then good luck to you, but I DON'T think ignorance is bliss, and stand by what I've said.

The Truthful Liar
02-24-2002, 08:19 AM
Well, I probably wouldn't notice anything different if it was 'realistic' (hehe) to the 'so called' story line.

But anyhoo... To thine own be true

Cheers ;)

Agen
02-24-2002, 08:41 AM
, so by the end of the game you must overcome Kyle's Dark Side before you can truly face Desann.

So maybe if you tuern to the darkside during the game you join him or the game finishes early so u have to reload it? Good to know that you can still fall to the dark side (i think)

CaptainRAVE
02-24-2002, 08:59 AM
Originally posted by MikeC
Am I reading this wrong, or are you saying that there will only be 8 levels? :(

8 locations it means....with 24 sub levels :D

Agen
02-24-2002, 09:06 AM
Welcome The Bothan Spy, have a newbie's spoon rerplica gift, Neonix, JEDI OUTCAST, MikeC, Eternity and B0MBER II have one to *drops sack of spoons onto the floor* Bye!

"enjoy!"






:D

Hannibal
02-24-2002, 09:15 AM
Originally posted by Agen_Terminator


So maybe if you tuern to the darkside during the game you join him or the game finishes early so u have to reload it? Good to know that you can still fall to the dark side (i think)

I think Kyle dealing with the dark side will be scripted(like watching a tv show). You won't be able to effect whether he does or not. They already said you wouldn't

CaptainRAVE
02-24-2002, 09:56 AM
You will be able to master the dark side powers though......and use them for good :D

CaptainRAVE
02-24-2002, 10:04 AM
I thought the boss was going to be someone we would be surprised about....who the hell is Desann??

MuRaSaMuNe
02-24-2002, 10:08 AM
Maybe you chase Desann the whole game and he is purposly trying to make you chase him to bring you to the REAL leader :eek:

The Truthful Liar
02-24-2002, 11:03 AM
I think this "dessan" character is surprising because:

WE DON'T HAVE A CLUE WHO HE IS!!


Cheers ;)

Thrawn
02-24-2002, 11:23 AM
It's quite possible that this Dark Jedi is not who he claims to be. His real identity could be the surprise.

The Truthful Liar
02-24-2002, 11:26 AM
Desann: *Kyle... I am your.... FATHER!!*

*kyle breaks in: "NOOOOOO!!!!"*

lol :D


Cheers ;)

CaptainRAVE
02-24-2002, 11:44 AM
Originally posted by Thrawn
It's quite possible that this Dark Jedi is not who he claims to be. His real identity could be the surprise.

Maybe its really MARA JADE whi has changed her name.......well, that would be a real big surprise.

Agen
02-24-2002, 12:07 PM
I think Kyle dealing with the dark side will be scripted(like watching a tv show). You won't be able to effect whether he does or not. They already said you wouldn't

Come on, do you think i'm a complete idiot, i know what scripting is.

Also they said one time there wouldn't be drivable vehicles, but there are a few. so they have changed a few things.

I'd laugh if it was Jerec and he told you that you'd actually killed a cardboard cutout of him
:D

xwing guy
02-24-2002, 02:25 PM
I think that Desann isn't the guys real name. He might be someone from dark forces, like a dark trooper jedi.:eek:

CaptainRAVE
02-24-2002, 02:31 PM
Originally posted by Agen_Terminator

I'd laugh if it was Jerec and he told you that you'd actually killed a cardboard cutout of him
:D

I think it will be one of the seven Dark Jedi.....or maybe MARA JADE :D

Indy4
02-24-2002, 03:36 PM
man i hope NOT!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

SEYA

ESE_SithEmperor
02-24-2002, 03:47 PM
We need more proof post some screenshots and better text information.

Eternity
02-24-2002, 04:11 PM
I've been wrong before (take the MP screenshot for example, although I'm still not sure on that) but again, I'm going to say I'm pretty sure this is right:

Desann would have mastered the Dark Force enough to turn in to you. That's what would have made him unique, as then you would have to face somebody with the same force powers and skill that you had. Hence the 'clone' screenie.

The only thing that puts doubt on this theory is that LucasArts released the 'clone' screenie, which I doubt they would do if it was the ending surprise. But maybe they intented it to provoke conversation??

Rat Boy
02-24-2002, 04:31 PM
I think the whole Desann thing is a cover. It's really somebody else, possibly somebody who used to be a high ranking Imperial, maybe even one of the Emperor's Hands.

JackTheGaffer
02-24-2002, 04:42 PM
Dude this is a load of crap. If you read the NRI reports it says and I am quoting "Skywalker also mentioned several reports from the Lenico system about a woman who uses Force powers for criminal gain..." this is who is the final Drak Jedi boss. Not this DUDE people have been talking about.

Hannibal
02-24-2002, 04:45 PM
Originally posted by Agen_Terminator


Come on, do you think i'm a complete idiot, i know what scripting is.

Also they said one time there wouldn't be drivable vehicles, but there are a few. so they have changed a few things.

I'd laugh if it was Jerec and he told you that you'd actually killed a cardboard cutout of him
:D

No I don't think your an idiot.:D ;)

They've already said that the path Kyle takes is already set out. So if he's gonna turn do the dark side its cause the programmers already decided he will. Nothing we can do will change where the story is going. Except dieing and quitting to play the game.


We've gotten a lot of information this past month but it all leaves alot out. So Im sure we'll still get suprises. In storyline as well as gameplay.

SlowbieOne
02-24-2002, 04:50 PM
It didn't bother me as much at first, but not I'm really disappointed I know about the Valley of the Jedi being in JK2. That would have been one HUGE suprise, now it's not going to be as exciting.:(

Anyone reading this, for future reference, if you have new info containing spoilers, please mark it in the title of your thread.

I don't mind knowing every little detail about the gameplay, but when you already know the story before you play, the game isnt half as fun.

Arrrggghhh! Why did I read it!??!?!?:mad:

Rat Boy
02-24-2002, 04:54 PM
Damn, I had forgotten that last part. I need more beeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeer!

Anakin1607
02-24-2002, 06:02 PM
EU rule #1

Every single book, comic and game unless labled "infinities" is part of the EU.

EU rule #2

Just because something wasn't mentioned, doesn't mean it didn't happen.

ESE_SithEmperor
02-24-2002, 07:03 PM
Just got word saying that this guy who posted this grap is lying.

No offence but what hes saying is 100% Un true

I currently cant post the reasons why hes wrong I will do it ASAP.

SlowbieOne
02-24-2002, 11:36 PM
Word from who?

JackTheGaffer
02-24-2002, 11:52 PM
how do I know you are not lieing

Originally posted by ESE_SithEmperor
Just got word saying that this guy who posted this grap is lying.

No offence but what hes saying is 100% Un true

I currently cant post the reasons why hes wrong I will do it ASAP.

Apparition
02-25-2002, 12:49 AM
If I had any money I'd drive down to the 7-11 and pick the magazine up but all I have is what's in the ashtray in my car.

SaberPro
02-25-2002, 01:14 AM
Originally posted by AB_Legion
I think this "dessan" character is surprising because:

WE DON'T HAVE A CLUE WHO HE IS!!


Cheers ;)

I think they took the name from Sadam Hussein....

Sadam (opposite) --> Dessan :)

Oh the creative imaginations :)

Chanke4252
02-25-2002, 01:33 AM
I think that the guy who originally posted about Dessan and the guy who accused him of lying are in it together. I think that it was just an elaborate plan by LEC to distract us from the game release so they can go bankrupt to torture us all by never releasing JKII. DID YOU HEAR THAT, JKII IS JUST A MYTH and the watching of these "supposed" trailers will make you go blind, no wait, thats the other thing. Anyway, yes its true, monkeys will someday rule the world, so dispose of any suspicions you had and go buy yourself a monkey. Maybe then they'll let you wash their little monkey overalls when the takeover begins.

Hannibal
02-25-2002, 07:32 AM
Never trust anyone with under 100 posts!!!;) :p

Tap[RR]
02-25-2002, 07:55 AM
So only trust spammers that post every 5 minutes and cant find the edit post button? ...As if the ranks didnt encourage spamming enough... does high post count really mean anything though? I think not, even the newest of board members have higher post counts than i do, does this make them supperior? No.. everyone should just be equal right?...Just cause he didnt go on a post fest upon registering on this forum, doesnt mean he should be ignored... :rolleyes:

Hannibal
02-25-2002, 03:21 PM
Wow Tap you need to relax it was a joke. You've got a lot of hostility. Chant with me now...Auhmmmmmmmmmmm.

There used to be only 2 ranks(knight and apprentice) and mods were masters and council members. Basiclly spamming wore down after people became knights cause there was nowere else to go.

Besides people who only care about the ranks don't stick around long. From my experience the ranks don't matter at all. Meaning post count doesn't matter.:D


Oh, I forgot to add something about this topic: I can't think of anything now.

JackTheGaffer
02-25-2002, 07:19 PM
So if I don't spam I am not trustworthy?

Originally posted by Hannibal
Never trust anyone with under 100 posts!!!;) :p

JediArs
02-25-2002, 08:46 PM
I have absolutely no problem with spoilers of the storyline. All I care about is the gameplay and the ending although I think we all know how it may end after reading this. You see, the story can be great but the game can suck. Of course, I believe that the second statement will definately excel after I saw the trailer/screenshots. This has got to be a good game. Easy on Indy4 :D He's just giving some info. I remember that I did not know the rules of the forum when I first started out so that I accidentally created a spoiler thread. Well, you have to learn the lesson now;) and not do it again. Peace out.

Lucky
02-26-2002, 03:49 AM
"According to the LucasArts press release, the Jedi Outcast story line begins several years after Katarn avenged his father and defended the Valley of the Jedi from Jerec and his group of Dark Jedi. LucasArts employee Haden Blackman recently stated that Jedi Oucast begins "several years after the battle of Yavin - 13 or 14 I believe."

directly off the site info. The battle of yavin is ANH. Which means this game is set aproximately 10 years after ROTJ. And its several years after the events of JK1.

The Thrawn trilogy was set 9 years after ANH. This game is 14 or so years after ANH. Thats a 5 year window for the events of MoTS and this game to take place during.

The Jedi academy books took place 11 years after ANH. They've already transpired. So this game is set in between the Thrawn trilogy and the Black Fleet Crisis. Mots is also set somewhere in that time frame.

As for Jerec, well as corny and poorly fmv'd as he was, he took place probably 3-4 years after ROJT. Probably during the Xwing series. Or the courtship of Princess so'n so. Ever wonder why all the books during that time period deal with silly stuff? Only one guy can save the galaxy at a time and that was kyle struttin his stuff then.

The gap between Dark Forces and JK was probably rather large or JK was closer to ROJT. Essentially those crappy books they wrote with lil kid drarwrings are void and novelty items now[JK novelizations]. But the games hold fine.

If you lookit the comic continuity you'll see a crapload of Jedi running around including the Emperor himself after he bit the dirt. In fact that old codger came back twice. So there were a lot of Jedi around, but Luke happened to be pivotal, thus Yogurts famous quote.


Blargh! Me want beer! raaaaaaar!


Lucky


Continuity is saved by me happening to have lazily thrown a sw book with an updated timeline next to my laptop. Arentchu glad bothan spy? You know many bothans died for this info....

Hannibal
02-26-2002, 10:10 AM
Originally posted by JackTheGaffer
So if I don't spam I am not trustworthy?



Read my reply to Tap, Jack.

The Bothan Spy
02-26-2002, 12:01 PM
Originally posted by Lucky
"According to the LucasArts press release, the Jedi Outcast story line begins several years after Katarn avenged his father and defended the Valley of the Jedi from Jerec and his group of Dark Jedi. LucasArts employee Haden Blackman recently stated that Jedi Oucast begins "several years after the battle of Yavin - 13 or 14 I believe."


Continuity is saved by me happening to have lazily thrown a sw book with an updated timeline next to my laptop. Arentchu glad bothan spy? You know many bothans died for this info....

Must admit I've been MUCH gladder. You think that "Heir to the Empire", "Dark Forces Rising" and "Last Command" happened AFTER the Jedi Academy Trilogy?? I think you should re-read them.
And Outcast is set 12 years after A.N.H

Apparition
02-27-2002, 02:29 PM
Hey guys, just wanted to let you know that Gamespot will be doing a bid preview sometime next week and will have a bunch of new information. Maybe that'll clear all of this stuff up.

(Plus, I think that the picture of Kyle facing off against himself isn't multiplayer. It's been stated several times that Kyle will struggle against the dark side again and I think that this is just like that. He's struggling with himself. Kind of like a Luke into the Dagobah tree thing. Just my opinion)

Eternity
02-27-2002, 03:22 PM
Just got word saying that this guy who posted this grap is lying.

No offence but what hes saying is 100% Un true

I currently cant post the reasons why hes wrong I will do it ASAP.

<sarcasm>Boy. That's a load off my back. Thanks, man.</sarcasm>

:D

Apparition, thanks for the heads up.

As for the post thing, I try not to post if I'm just posting to post. Some people just post total crap for no reason. I try to not do that...

Boy, did I say post enough?

Indy4
02-27-2002, 03:35 PM
look in the new star wars gamer

SEYA

Apparition
02-28-2002, 05:15 PM
Originally posted by Eternity


<sarcasm>Boy. That's a load off my back. Thanks, man.</sarcasm>

:D

Apparition, thanks for the heads up.

As for the post thing, I try not to post if I'm just posting to post. Some people just post total crap for no reason. I try to not do that...

Boy, did I say post enough?

Did you post on my post or did you post on the post you posted back on that other post about that one post?