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mariners2001
02-27-2002, 05:57 PM
With all the discussion I've had about the demo release. Speculation tells me that there's an extremely high chance of the demo being released this Friday when LucasArts updates... Hehe... Sorry, if I'm getting you're hopes up, but it seems quite likely. Does anyone else think there'll be a demo this Friday?

simon says
02-27-2002, 06:00 PM
Uhh....don't get your hopes up. I think it's unlikely, because the only people who are discussing the demo are the people in these forums. It's not Lucas Arts or Raven (unless u've heard something i haven't). And Raven already said "no demo."

Eternity
02-27-2002, 06:01 PM
I don't think it's likey, but there's a chance.

W00t, l33t, h@x0r, etc. etc.

I would say in the the first couple weeks of March, dog.

Binary
02-27-2002, 06:15 PM
Uh, no... I'm guessing a demo won't be released until after the full game is done.

Reptar
02-27-2002, 06:23 PM
yea me to, starfighters demo was just released, and the game was out for about a week or two........

mariners2001
02-27-2002, 06:31 PM
Starfighter was already released on a different system and no one was really excited about it. Jedi Knight 2 is getting a lot of hype and attention. The last LucasArts game like that was Star Wars Galactic Battlegrounds and that demo was released two months before release! There's a hopeful chance.

buzzfunk666
02-27-2002, 06:39 PM
Raven have stated that they first goal is to finish up the full game. They also said that a demo before shipping Jk2 is all up to LA. So with this info in mind, theres no reason to belive that there will be a demo this week.

gEeBuS
02-27-2002, 06:40 PM
I hope there is a demo this week or else I am going to go nuts with anticipation craziness and such. I think it is likely because JKII is getting a huge amount of press as of now and why not show off your hard work. Plus, Raven did not say no Demo, they just said the decision lies with Lucasarts. Once again, take it easy all.


geeb

ps2maddenman
02-27-2002, 06:46 PM
I hope Raven said "no demo" but really secretly has one planned, that would be a real treat for us.

Indy4
02-27-2002, 06:49 PM
i think they will realse one of the march 8 i hope its realsed on a friday

SEYA

ZeroXcape
02-27-2002, 08:08 PM
Originally posted by buzzfunk666
Raven have stated that they first goal is to finish up the full game. They also said that a demo before shipping Jk2 is all up to LA. So with this info in mind, theres no reason to belive that there will be a demo this week.

Well said...

Indy4
02-27-2002, 08:15 PM
ASK abot the demo at the chat friday

Seya

Ulic Quel Droma
02-27-2002, 08:17 PM
what time will that be in NZ?

Bowen
02-27-2002, 08:33 PM
Originally posted by buzzfunk666
Raven have stated that they first goal is to finish up the full game. They also said that a demo before shipping Jk2 is all up to LA. So with this info in mind, theres no reason to belive that there will be a demo this week.

Remember that a demo would prolong the release of the game. I'm we'd all like to see a demo this week but would you have the demo this week and have the game delayed a week or two later?

Chanke4252
02-27-2002, 08:39 PM
I dont care about the demo because on dialup it would probably take about a week and maybe they would probably release the full game before my download finishes.

Swoosh
02-27-2002, 08:42 PM
I don't really see what the fuss is about a demo delaying the realease of a game. Most of the programmers are done with their work at this point. The game is almost gold...just a couple of people could take a sp and a mp level...put the already done installer on the front end, put some readmes and graphics together, make an .exe, and release a demo! LEC is just making us wait...we'll see one soon enough I'm sure.

About the game being delayed...I think the only thing at this point that will delay the game involves packaging, marketing, legal, and shipping problems. Then again, I have never worked at a gaming company...just been invovled in gaming news for a long time.

Swoosh

Locke101
02-27-2002, 09:13 PM
I personally would love to see a demo released. However, if it does prolong the release ofthe game. I say who cares, i'd rather have the full game then a demo anyday. I just hope that if they do release a demo, that you'll be able to play it on the zone. :D

Syko
02-27-2002, 09:49 PM
I'd rather they have GameSpy functionality, because that way more people will play it online. It seems gamespy is more popular than the zone.

As long as the demo doesn't delay release, i'm all for it. What'd be really funny though is if they released a demo where u get to kill a few stormies with a blaster and you don't even see a lightsaber :) that'd just be mean and torturous hehe

ESE_SithEmperor
02-27-2002, 09:54 PM
Dear god man what kind of SICK MIND DO YOU HAVE SYKO?!


j/k

The Truthful Liar
02-28-2002, 12:39 AM
DEMO DEMO DEMO!!!

:elephant: :elephant: :elephant:


That would be totally swank if they popped up the Demo this week!! :D

I can't wait,

Cheers ;)

Ulic Quel Droma
02-28-2002, 12:43 AM
OH DEAR GOD IM SEEING DANCING ELEPHANTS AGAIN
:freakout:

The Truthful Liar
02-28-2002, 12:55 AM
LOL :D

It was needed ;)

Bartolo_JCS
02-28-2002, 12:58 AM
OMG OMG OMG OMAOGAM OMAGOMAOAMG






















no. :(

Qel
02-28-2002, 01:00 AM
Originally posted by Swoosh
I don't really see what the fuss is about a demo delaying the realease of a game. Most of the programmers are done with their work at this point. The game is almost gold...just a couple of people could take a sp and a mp level...put the already done installer on the front end, put some readmes and graphics together, make an .exe, and release a demo! LEC is just making us wait...we'll see one soon enough I'm sure.

About the game being delayed...I think the only thing at this point that will delay the game involves packaging, marketing, legal, and shipping problems. Then again, I have never worked at a gaming company...just been invovled in gaming news for a long time.

Swoosh

Exactly what I wanted to say, but u said it best....;)

Qel

The Truthful Liar
02-28-2002, 01:01 AM
Seriously, a demo would be most fitting on Friday and I hope this is true.

Cheers ;)

UniKorn
02-28-2002, 01:44 AM
I don't see how a demo can delay the game?

1. For every level they include they have to make sure that all the textures are in there, without putting in all the textures
2. The same goes for the models and their skins.
3. They have to create the installer and test it on every system configuration. It is not because the installer of the full game works on every system that the one for the demo does.
4. Once the demo is wrapped up, it goes to la for approval, if it isn't approved, they can start over.
5. Do you honestly think that there are people at Raven just sitting there with nothing to do?

Bowen
02-28-2002, 02:55 AM
Originally posted by UniKorn
I don't see how a demo can delay the game?

1. For every level they include they have to make sure that all the textures are in there, without putting in all the textures
2. The same goes for the models and their skins.
3. They have to create the installer and test it on every system configuration. It is not because the installer of the full game works on every system that the one for the demo does.
4. Once the demo is wrapped up, it goes to la for approval, if it isn't approved, they can start over.
5. Do you honestly think that there are people at Raven just sitting there with nothing to do?

Well guys I'm not a developer so I can vouch for how many additional hours or the length it takes to do a demo but I'm just going by what the developers at Raven have said and I think they would know better than anyone since they are the ones making the game. They did say that they did not think there would be a demo before the release of the game because it would take more time to put a demo out and they did not want to delay the game because of that.

Chanke4252
02-28-2002, 03:01 AM
uh, why wouldnt they just use the SAME installer in the demo they used in the game. I know the previously released LEC demos have usually seemed to have the same installers. I mean I honestly dont think that this is a huge part of the development process.

And for the textures, thats not a new thing either. Either play through a level a bunch of times or recheck it a few times, either way shouldnt take more than a day to do a thorough job. Plus, the majority of the time they use levels from the actual game.

Same for skins only not nearly as time consuming. An experienced skinner can throw together a skin very quickly, and they will use skins from the full game since it is a "DEMO" of the full game.

JediDante
02-28-2002, 03:07 AM
I bet you that they are going to do the same thing that EA did with the MOHAA Single player Demo or at least what they wanted to do, it's just maybe it will go to PC Gamer instead of CGW.

Toa Tahu
02-28-2002, 03:25 AM
Hee,that's a good one.
However,I think that even the demo MIGHT be half of JK already,for that matter.And,how long did you guys took to download the JK demo?

Bowen
02-28-2002, 03:26 AM
Originally posted by Chanke4252
uh, why wouldnt they just use the SAME installer in the demo they used in the game. I know the previously released LEC demos have usually seemed to have the same installers. I mean I honestly dont think that this is a huge part of the development process.

And for the textures, thats not a new thing either. Either play through a level a bunch of times or recheck it a few times, either way shouldnt take more than a day to do a thorough job. Plus, the majority of the time they use levels from the actual game.

Same for skins only not nearly as time consuming. An experienced skinner can throw together a skin very quickly, and they will use skins from the full game since it is a "DEMO" of the full game.

I really don't know why they could not do that and they may be planning on releasing a demo anyway but from what they have said it is apparently more involved than one would think.

indianajones9
02-28-2002, 09:33 AM
There won't be a demo this friday. No, I dn't have a reason for saying this other than today's thursday and we would have heard about such a high profile demo. Besides, the game hasn't even gone gold yet!!! I want a demo as much as ya'll, but I don't plan to see one until third quarter march. Then again, i THINK i have been wrong before.:)

TUS_Tomcat
02-28-2002, 10:24 AM
:elephant: :elephant: :elephant: :elephant: :elephant: :elephant: :elephant: :elephant:



Let's just ask tomorrow and see what they say!

Magnum2
02-28-2002, 01:16 PM
Originally posted by UniKorn
I don't see how a demo can delay the game?

1. For every level they include they have to make sure that all the textures are in there, without putting in all the textures
2. The same goes for the models and their skins.
3. They have to create the installer and test it on every system configuration. It is not because the installer of the full game works on every system that the one for the demo does.
4. Once the demo is wrapped up, it goes to la for approval, if it isn't approved, they can start over.
5. Do you honestly think that there are people at Raven just sitting there with nothing to do?

1, 2 & 3: There are tools (or they can make them, he) that will automate the process
4: True, but I believe that if LEC is confident that Raven will make a good game, they can trust them to make a nice demo, too :)
5: No, but as someone said before, the big time trouble should be well behind... if Raven works like an organized team (I assume a yes there) at this time should be only minor glitches (or already finished!!! Let's hope :D)

Chanke4252
02-28-2002, 08:53 PM
well they would only be true if they used levels not included in the full game.

MuRaSaMuNe
02-28-2002, 10:23 PM
Whats with all these elephants I'm a monkey man myself
:monkey4: :monkey4: :monkey4: :monkey4: :monkey4:
And I'd doubt they will have a demo on Friday, don't they normally announce the game has gone gold before a demo?

TrUeFoRcE
02-28-2002, 10:29 PM
actually i think that a demo may be released very soon, maybe not this friday but with msn gaming zone being updated for jk2 there preparing for something, and if they werent releasing the demo soon they probably wouldnt have released the jk2 zone section....

Obi
03-01-2002, 02:02 AM
<font color=cbcbff> A MSN Gaming zone page can mean only one thing.....invasion.....

Wait..that's not right... eh..

Krak3n
03-01-2002, 03:09 AM
I'm quite confident the game is done, if not at 98% or 99%. I'm sure beta testing is going on now and releasing a demo now would not delay this game. 2 months ago, yea it would have delayed the game. You have to remember once u have finished the game at least a month of prep has to be done befor the offical lanch. opackging, marketing, produceing the thousands upon thousands of CD's etc etc, not to mention shipping it to EVERY game store in the USA, UK and europe and of course the rest of the world.

The games done, that i am sure of, and the updating of The Zone shows that they rae getting ready for something, wether it be a demo i don't know, or of course the Zone could have just made a giant muck up.

Personelly i can feel a demo on the horizen, this game is one of the most highly ancisipated games of 2002, they cannot afford to not release a demo.

Just my 2 pence.

Krak3n

Antilles
03-01-2002, 07:25 AM
Well, when I type the under:
http://www.lucasarts.com/products/outcast/html/demo.html

There is a white page only......

Usually when you links to page that Lucasarts doesn't have(yet), there will be a "404error" or so kind of page that tell you, there is no such page and will put you back to Lucasarts.com.

So when I open the "demo" page and it shows white, doesn't it means that.....There will be demo?

Although we can't know if the Demo will be out before the full game release, at last we can put some hope......

Jedi_Knight_UK
03-01-2002, 07:25 AM
I think LEC will release a Demo before the game as they are yet to try and bring in people that are not 'huge' fans of the STARWARS franchise.

LucasArts Bieng the big money grabbing monster they are, will try and get as many people to buy the game as possible. So I don't see how they cannot afford to NOT release a demo soon.:D

Also the MSZone JO area obviously means 'something' is going on.

But WHAT?????:confused:

Bio Warrior
03-01-2002, 12:01 PM
well if there was a demo before the official release date it would push the game back like a week or two and the zone page for JK2 is only up cause they are getting ready for the game and they usually put pages up within a month or two in advance and probable like a week or two before its released youll start seeing game rooms

Steg
03-01-2002, 12:15 PM
Demo...DEMO!!! MUST HAVE DEMO

*regains slef control*
hey wait......this demo will by big...very big over 100mg easily:confused:...
for us poor sods with 56kbps modems it will b right bugger 2 download......

DAMN!!! :mad:

Steg

Chanke4252
03-01-2002, 12:20 PM
this is kind of funny. Its like people talking about an impending attack by some unbeatable foe.

"Its coming, I can feel it, and none of us will be able to stop it!!! Raven knows it, LEC knows it, even The Zone knows it. There is no hope, the demo is coming!!"

Neonix
03-01-2002, 12:46 PM
Well....

It can mean two things;

1. There getting prepared for something, with this much activity about the game (for example, The Zone, With an entire weapons and Force power chart, that or this; http://www.lucasarts.com/products/outcast/html/demo.html thing)

2. There are some very sick people at the LEC/Raven headquarters that want to make us more nervous.

Personally i do think that they will release a demo, and with all these topics going on about it, i anticipate it will be released today (wich is Friday the 1st of March) because everything happens for a reason, there's no such thing as luck or coincidents (that spelled right? im dutch you know).

Neonix
03-01-2002, 12:55 PM
Something else BTW.

look at this

System Requirements


>>>>>The Star Wars Jedi Knight II: Jedi Outcast CD-ROM installed on your hard drive<<<<<<

Nothing on the zone speaks of a demo, my hopes just went down to zero

CaptainRAVE
03-01-2002, 01:01 PM
Yea.......Tutorial>Step 1, insert CD into Drive..DAM IT!!! Theres 28 days till we get any CD, lol.

Darth Katarn
03-01-2002, 01:07 PM
i HATE u guys

now that i have the demo in mind im going crazy

ahhhhhhhhhhhhhhhh

I WANT MY DEMO.......NOW!!!!

StAtilXl
03-01-2002, 02:26 PM
Originally posted by buzzfunk666
Raven have stated that they first goal is to finish up the full game. They also said that a demo before shipping Jk2 is all up to LA. So with this info in mind, theres no reason to belive that there will be a demo this week.

heY gEeBuS
its me staty =P

JEDI OUTCAST
03-02-2002, 05:41 AM
:lsduel: :lsduel: :lsduel: i hope that they do but if they do we all be getting the demo

Qel
03-02-2002, 06:42 AM
After reading this from the unofficial chat transcript...

Question 1

TUS_Tomcat: Will there be a demo, and if so, when can we expect it, and what will be in it (single player level (from the game?), multiplyaer, bots, etc.) ?

Kenn Hoekstra: We're looking at all of out options for a demo right now. It's going to depend on our production schedule and how our dev team is going to be divided up after JK2 goes gold. We're still looking at everything and we'll make a decision and go from there soon.


....LOOKS LIKE A DEMO IS A POSSIBILITY...so just be patient.;)

Qel

elite_man2002
03-02-2002, 06:47 AM
:mad: its saturday NO DEMO!:mad:

SotE_Xizor1
03-03-2002, 07:36 PM
OMG! You people don't read previews do you? The last one (English) said the demo date was Mid-February to Early March. We know it aint February, and demos are only on Thursday and Friday. The reason the Starfighter demo was out after the PC game, was because the PS2 version was already out, and so people already know what it's like. I bet the JKII demo will be out this week too. I wished for it a million times.

SaberPro
03-03-2002, 07:54 PM
Full Game > Demo

I want the full game :)

Demo doesn't really matter if the full game came out.

digl
03-03-2002, 08:11 PM
Originally posted by SaberPro
Demo doesn't really matter if the full game came out.
It matters!
I dont wan't to be waiting for my order while you all play the game
/me wants demo first!!

Twinmold
03-03-2002, 08:17 PM
I don't see the logic.....There will be a demo...im almost sure of it.....JO is very popular news....it would only make sence to have a demo....to show the features of the game and such...Demo will not delay the full game, thats crazy...slap a MP mode and a couple SP levels. They may even already have a demo being made now, that would really be the best thing that they could do....LEC had a JK demo, why not a demo for JO. Besides the whole point of a demo is to show the features of the game BEFORE the game is released. Only makes sence, as for the release of it friday, it seems fitting. Maybe even tomarrow, we can only hope. Cuz, i dunno what'd we do otherwise ;)

RGF_roguetwo
03-03-2002, 08:25 PM
lets start a petition for the demo lol

:c3po:

SaberPro
03-03-2002, 08:26 PM
Originally posted by digl

It matters!
I dont wan't to be waiting for my order while you all play the game
/me wants demo first!!

No i mean if the game came out first.

Oh...Chile....very far away from Westwood HQ.....:(

buzzfunk666
03-03-2002, 08:59 PM
God oh god. Do you people actually PAY attention?

Basically what Kenn is saying that after the game went GOLD, there may be a good chance of a demo.

Get your hopes up after the going gold annoucement.

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