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brief
03-01-2002, 05:28 AM
I'm sure some of you (like NFGB) got the reference just by looking at the subject line..

Anyway, take a look at this clip--it's pretty funny (if a bit predictable):

http://www.asiarock.com/categories/clips2.html

Rufio
03-02-2002, 12:36 AM
i'll take a look, but im not even supposed to be here today.

Natty
03-02-2002, 10:30 AM
I can't get the stupid thing to download :mad: maybe my puter is being wanky again

My bf has started calling me boo-boo kitty f*ck I dunno if I should be insulted or flattered- tis kinda kyoote, but oh well.

Hmmmms me feels like going and seeing it again now. Me and my friend have decided to have a Mullrats/Chasing Amy/Dogma/Clerks marathon sometime soon- just hire all the movies and watch them :D

murta
03-02-2002, 12:37 PM
Hmm, didn't see you as a Kevin Smith fan Natty, have you watched any of the other films?

Natty
03-02-2002, 08:48 PM
I've seen Dogma- my bf took me to see it and I was like "OMG hooooooooooow funnnnnnnnnny" all my other friends don't like em, except my friend Jaz, which is who wants to have the movie night with all the movies they're in, which I'm totally for. There any other movies with them in it? :D

Rufio
03-03-2002, 12:16 AM
they make a cameo appearance in scream three...

Natty
03-03-2002, 12:55 AM
Do they? I don't remember that. Then again I've only seen that movie twice and didn't think it was as good as the origional2- spose that's coz like thingie argued, the sequal is never as good as the origional other then Empire Strikes Back

Oh well no matter, I can probably look it up on imdb.com :D

brief
03-04-2002, 05:07 AM
Looks like they had to move the clip to another sever, so that might have been the reason why it wasn't working. Also, since the clip is a QuickTime clip, you'll have to have a QuickTime player.

It's official! I now have all the Kevin Smith films on DVD :p
Clerks, Mallrats, Chasing Amy, Dogma, and Jay and Silent Bob Strikes Back (got that about two weeks ago). The only thing missing from my Kevin Smith collection is the Clerks cartoon.

"If you had been that funny, ABC never would have cancelled us." --Randal, deleted scene from JASBSB

There seems to be a new Clerks movie in the works... I thought Kevin Smith said he was done with the Jersey films.

Natty
03-04-2002, 05:17 AM
I read the reason why they did Jay and Silent Bob Strike Back was coz they'd had enough, he wasn't gonna do anything else, basically retiring.



http://us.imdb.com/Name?Smith,+Kevin

murta
03-04-2002, 06:11 AM
First off - brief, you don't have all the Kevin Smith DVDs at the mo, you're missing the very recently released Drawing Flies. Do you have the Clerks : Animated Series DVD? I need it, onyl available in Region 1 at the moment

The new Clerks film is called Clerks : Sell Out and I think it's going to be full colour
Kevin Smith is also working on a film called Jersey Girl
A Daredevil movie's being made (don't think Kevin's involved in it, although Ben Afleck is lined up to play Matt Murdock (In case any of you don't know Kevin wrote a number of Daredevil comic books - btw, Daredevil's about a guy blinded as a kid with hightened senses of smell, taste, touch and hearing, combining to give him a kind of sonar, he also has no fear)

Natty, if you've seen Dogma, I'm not sure if you'll like some of his older stuff, but watch them anyway cos they rule

That all probably came out making little to no sense, but never mind

brief
03-04-2002, 01:15 PM
Originally posted by murta
First off - brief, you don't have all the Kevin Smith DVDs at the mo, you're missing the very recently released Drawing Flies. Do you have the Clerks : Animated Series DVD? I need it, onyl available in Region 1 at the moment

If you had read through my message, you would know that I don't have the Clerks cartoon, because I already mentioned it. You would also notice that I didn't say "all the Kevin Smith DVDs"; I said "all Kevin Smith films," which is quite different from "DVDs." A TV series isn't considered "film"; only theatrical releases are considered "film."

murta
03-04-2002, 02:05 PM
You sound pissed, if I offended you sorry. Here's a link to Drawing Flies:
http://store.yahoo.com/jsbstash/drawfliesdvd.html

man you have a point, only now after reading through that page have I realised it wasn't written by Kevin

*note to self, read things*

Kj°len
03-04-2002, 03:31 PM
Originally posted by Natty
the sequal is never as good as the origional other then Empire Strikes Back



What about CMI? That was a good sequal to the other two, So is Empire strikes back, but all four are cool. The Land Before Time went just about 4 sequals too far though:rolleyes:.

Natty
03-05-2002, 03:45 AM
Nah- I'm sure I will- I find almost anything funny :D

brief
03-06-2002, 01:49 AM
Incidently, I guess I'm a bit more like Randal, in the sense that I've also wondered about the flying car for quite some time. In fact, I searched around for information on possible prototypes being researched about two years ago... and there are people trying to develop it.

However, practicality kicks in.. For all everything we're supposed to benefit from the advent of the consumer affordable flying vehicles, it just seems an unlikely projects, for several reasons:

It doesn't really solve our traffic problem. Sure, if only a few people had them, they could be zipping around without any problems. But imagine if everyone had one? The skies would have to be regulated somehow, just like the roads we have right now, because we can't let everyone just fly in any direction they please, at any height they please, at any speed they please. So there would have to be specific "sky lanes" designed, and we're back to square one as far as traffic is concerned.
How exactly would these "sky lanes" be marked? You guys have seen Back to the Future 2, right? There were these road markers floating in the air--what's holding them up? What if someone hits one? Look out below...(!)
Speaking of things falling, what about safety? You think some people are hesitant to get on a plane now... Guess what? Statistically speaking, you're more likely to get in a car crash on the ground than you are going to be in a plane crash. A car crash happens much more often than a plane crash, for one simple reason--There are much more cars out there than there are planes, and there are stupid drivers, drunk drivers, people no longer fit to drive, etc. These are the people who cause accidents. Give these guys flying vehicles, and what's next? Not only are you no longer safe travelling with these yahoos behind the wheels, you now have to contend with disaster falling from the sky because of these idiots...
And with vehicles crashing into buildings, here's one more problem. After the disaster of 9/11, how many governments would even sanction the use the flying vehicles to the general public? Who knows which psycho might use it to ram some other building?

...and the list goes on. Flying cars? Technologically, I'm sure it's possible. Will it ever become common in the near future? Not bloody likely.

That said, here are two sites I've been keeping my eyes on, just in case....

http://www.moller.com/skycar/
http://www.solotrek.com/mjet/index1.html

Grannen
03-06-2002, 03:44 AM
ConvAIRCAR from Nov 1947.
http://www.retrofuture.com/flyingcar.html

http://www.retrofuture.com/images/convai2.jpg
Crashed a few months later due to fuel shortage!


Here is a link to a privately build flying car. http://future.newsday.com/6/fbak0618.htm

http://future.newsday.com/6/fbak0618.jpg http://future.newsday.com/6/fbak618a.jpg

brief
03-06-2002, 04:00 AM
See, a "car" with such a wide wingspan is just impractical... Think about it: if it is supposed to replace cars, it means we will keep it in the place of where we used to keep our cars--in the garage.

Never mind that we can't keep something like that in our garages, most of us probably don't have driveways wide enough for the take-off, either. Actually, you'd probably have to go to an airport before the thing could take off.. so are you going to drive down the road with that thing, and let the wings hit trees, other cars, etc.? Of course not. Then you would have to store it in a hanger at the airport. Drive to the airport when you need to use it.. and.. what would be the point? Might as well get your own private jet--you're still gonna use a car halft the time, or at least for things not further than where your airport is.

That's why I only look at VTOL (Vertical Take Off and Landing) vehicles. You won't need a runway for take off or landing. The people who design them as "flying cars" will actually try to make them conform to the size of your typical cars, even if it doesn't look like your typical car.

So, think of the Moller Skycar (http://www.moller.com/skycar/) as your "flying sedan," and the SoloTrek XFV (http://www.solotrek.com/mjet/index1.html) as sort of a "flying motorcycle."

Actually, from what I've read, there were some people trying to develop a motorcycle that runs on turbines and hovers. Except they ran out of funding.

duder
03-06-2002, 05:29 AM
Kevin Smith films are;

1.Visually dead.

2.The Dialogue is about as much fun as Dawsons Creek's.

3.He casts a bunch of twats (Exception of Jason Lee).

4.At best he is a reasonably talented writer.

5.Jay and Silent Bob strikes back was a shameful piece of filmmaking. Lazy, dull and predictable.

murta
03-06-2002, 11:03 AM
Originally posted by duder
Kevin Smith films are;

1.Visually dead.

2.The Dialogue is about as much fun as Dawsons Creek's.

3.He casts a bunch of twats (Exception of Jason Lee).

4.At best he is a reasonably talented writer.

5.Jay and Silent Bob strikes back was a shameful piece of filmmaking. Lazy, dull and predictable.

You are:

1 - Wrong

2 - A Star Trek fan

3 - 7 years old

brief
03-06-2002, 02:02 PM
Originally posted by duder
Kevin Smith films are;

1.Visually dead.

2.The Dialogue is about as much fun as Dawsons Creek's.

3.He casts a bunch of twats (Exception of Jason Lee).

4.At best he is a reasonably talented writer.

5.Jay and Silent Bob strikes back was a shameful piece of filmmaking. Lazy, dull and predictable.

:rolleyes: Is someone bitter because he can't write worth crap? I think so...

Rufio
03-06-2002, 04:04 PM
common guys, if kevin has taught us anything it is that we must speak monosyllabically in order for duder to comprehend us

duder
03-07-2002, 03:35 AM
Actually kids I'm a film student.

Instead of making crappy insults, why not explain to me why I am wrong?

murta
03-07-2002, 12:20 PM
Basically, you're looking at it from the stand point of the average movie fan:
1.Visually dead - If the films don't require action sequences, explosions or special effects, then why is this a negative point

2.The Dialogue is about as much fun as Dawsons Creek's - The dialogue is extremely witty and well timed, just because the characters aren't making fart jokes every 2 seconds or pulling silly faces doesn't mean it's boring. You just need to be able to understand the jokes (which you obviously don't)

3.He casts a bunch of twats (Exception of Jason Lee) - The actors fit the roles perfectly and while Clerks and Mallrats were badly acted in parts, they still got across the message of Kevin's brilliant writing. Plus he's uncovered some (now) extremely big stars

4.At best he is a reasonably talented writer - I don't even need to comment on this cos it's so stupid. But I will, he's one of the best screen/comic writers on the planet

5.Jay and Silent Bob strikes back was a shameful piece of filmmaking. Lazy, dull and predictable - I'm sorry I've never heard of a film called 'Jay and Silent Bob strikes back'. I'd like to know how multiple people (not addressed as a singular body) can 'strikes' back

duder
03-07-2002, 01:17 PM
Originally posted by murta
Basically, you're looking at it from the stand point of the average movie fan:
1.Visually dead - If the films don't require action sequences, explosions or special effects, then why is this a negative point


Basically you are talking out of your arse. Why do you think that when I say 'visually dead' do you think I mean action sequences. I am no average movie fan. I study film, I love film, I watch an awful lot of films, and what I mean by this comment is that the films are made with little visual flair, expression, or imagination. I could go into more detail, but I'm sure it would go way over your head.


2.The Dialogue is about as much fun as Dawsons Creek's - The dialogue is extremely witty and well timed, just because the characters aren't making fart jokes every 2 seconds or pulling silly faces doesn't mean it's boring. You just need to be able to understand the jokes (which you obviously don't)


Once more you are talking out of your stupid Derby arse. What on earth makes you think that is what I am refering to? Kevin Smith's sense of humour is far from sophisticated, and I don't feel the need to list the endless amount of brainless, crude jokes he has employed to gain laughs from stupid film spectators like yourself.


3.He casts a bunch of twats (Exception of Jason Lee) - The actors fit the roles perfectly and while Clerks and Mallrats were badly acted in parts, they still got across the message of Kevin's brilliant writing. Plus he's uncovered some (now) extremely big stars


Okay fair enough, this is my personal prejudice aginast the likes of Ben Affleck and Matt Damon.


4.At best he is a reasonably talented writer - I don't even need to comment on this cos it's so stupid. But I will, he's one of the best screen/comic writers on the planet


Its a matter of opinion. :o I obviously don't agree. How about the Coen Brothers? These guys deserve the credit, and they make Smith's scripts appear like school projects.


5.Jay and Silent Bob strikes back was a shameful piece of filmmaking. Lazy, dull and predictable - I'm sorry I've never heard of a film called 'Jay and Silent Bob strikes back'. I'd like to know how multiple people (not addressed as a singular body) can 'strikes' back

Oh well done, you picked up on some of my careless typing. I expect you feel very proud of yourself.

Duder

murta
03-07-2002, 04:27 PM
His films don't need to rely on 'visual flair' (by this I presume shooting from well picked angles or using camera tricks or some fancy shmancy, arty farty schmarty crap you learn about.
He has one of, if not the biggest 'underground' film followings in the world, spanning age and race groups, which in itself kinda speaks for itself

You're kinda outnubered here and starting to sound rather immature, so I do hope you continue and dig yourself deeper

duder
03-07-2002, 04:44 PM
I'm outnumered, why should that matter? Immature? Why I think it was you that began to insult me;



You are:

1 - Wrong

2 - A Star Trek fan

3 - 7 years old



All of which are quite ludicrous things to say.

I'm not saying his films should be be 'fancy shmancy, arty farty schmarty crap' as you would ignorantly put it. But I do expect a level of quality, which is something Smith can't deliver.

Look I can't be bothered to get into a argument with you. Just appreciate that Smith isn't considered by all to be great, and if people offer a differing opinion to your own than deal with it maturely.

murta
03-07-2002, 04:54 PM
"stupid Derby arse"

brief
03-07-2002, 07:17 PM
Sour grapes: It ain't a pretty thing.

Natty
03-07-2002, 11:30 PM
Hey kids it's Mark Hammil *appluase*

OK- as stated previously I had NFI who Kevin Smith was before I saw Dogma, and while I seriously thinks the searing could be toned down a lil bit- I still think it's brilliant and different. He's not afraid to take the piss outta stuff. Just look at Jay and Silent Bob Strike Back. He's not afaid to take the piss outta himself about his weight, or out of Matt Damon and Ben Afleck, or anyone else for that matter. I seriously think if those actors had a problem with someone making fun of them for roles they've done in the past, then they wouldn't wanna be in Kevin Smith films. He's also not afraid (and BTW this is how Jay and Silent Bob Strike Back came across to me- dunno about Mullrats, Chasing Amy and so forth) to make fun of stuff either "Do you follow the book?" "you picked us up didn't you? I gotta follow the book" Basically Kevin Smith films are a dark comedy- if you don't get it then that's too bad, it's making fun of normal everyday stuff and turning it around. Some movies are acted pathetically on purpose (American Pie springs to mind- how crappy was the acting? Especially on Oz's part)

I just think Duder, and forgive me if I misinterperate you- but just because you're a film student, and you know more about movies than the rest of us, I can't think of the word to say, but not all of us are the same, and I respect your opinion, but because your a film student, I don't really think it's fair to use your film talk and knowlege on the rest of us, since the rest of us would look at films in a different way to you, regardless of whether we agree with you or now

Grannen
03-08-2002, 01:45 AM
Natty!
Pls remember that duder several times points out that he is a film student and not an average person!
We can have an opinion but whatever it is, if duder says a film is bad then it is bad, if duder says a film is excellent, then it is excellent.
duder is the sole expert among us and we should respectfully listen to, and learn from, the master, not argue with him!

duder
03-08-2002, 03:51 AM
"Is someone bitter because he can't write worth crap? I think so..."

Is that because I don't agree with you all?

"stupid Derby arse"

I live near Derby, its a valid comment for any unfortunate being thats been subjected to it.


"but just because you're a film student, and you know more about movies than the rest of us, I can't think of the word to say, but not all of us are the same, and I respect your opinion, but because your a film student, I don't really think it's fair to use your film talk and knowlege on the rest of us, since the rest of us would look at films in a different way to you, regardless of whether we agree with you or now"

Thats perfectly reasonable, I agree, and my first post was a little too aggressive, but I don't like the films, and that is my opinion. Feel free to have your own, but don't insult me for having mine.

"Pls remember that duder several times points out that he is a film student and not an average person!
We can have an opinion but whatever it is, if duder says a film is bad then it is bad, if duder says a film is excellent, then it is excellent.
duder is the sole expert among us and we should respectfully listen to, and learn from, the master, not argue with him!"

Actually its was only twice. The reason I said it was to let people know I wasn't a 7 year old star trek fan who yearns for action sequences, not to sound superior to others.

Natty
03-08-2002, 04:49 AM
Thats perfectly reasonable, I agree, and my first post was a little too aggressive, but I don't like the films, and that is my opinion. Feel free to have your own, but don't insult me for having mine.

Yeah I agree- hope you didn't take what I said the wrong way, I don't mind you having your own opinion (as I hope you don't mind the rest of us for having a different opinion) I just think it's a lil unfair coz you're probably used to watching things and literally have to pick the movie apart. I did media in highschool, and when we had to analize movies or tv ads, we had to watch them sooooooooooo many times and pick out faults, mistakes, basically any errors. And since everyone else probably hasn't had the experience that you or me have had (but I assume you've had a lot more experience than me) they probably don't see the movie in the same way you do- regardless if they still like the movie or not :)

Anyways, you don't like the movie, the rest of us do, big deal, there's a lot of movies that some people hate and others love- I hated American Beauty- thought it was the most useless movie I had ever seen- my bf loved it, and why he doesn't understand why I hated the movie and I can't understand why on earth he loves it, I respect his opinion, even though he doesn't respect mine. Usually now I just tune out when he asks me why I hated the movie. :D