View Full Version : It looks cool ?!?!?! disagree there!

03-01-2002, 12:13 PM
Was the answer to stormhammers Q:

Why do the enemies fly through the room when hit by the saber

"It looks cool" was the answer!

Anyone disagree, like me? :)

03-01-2002, 12:17 PM
I don't disagree.
But they fly as though you hit them with a bat, not a beam of light that is cutting through them.
It's cool that they flew when you run towards them but otherwise it's odd.

03-01-2002, 12:19 PM
Huh, what are you talking about?? Stormhammer asked this question in the chat?

Oh, and yes, I agree with you, it looks plain silly...

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03-01-2002, 12:22 PM
I think it looks cool, personally If we're not going to be able to chop them in half, then I wouldnt want to see my saber go right through them and nothing happen. I look forward to knocking people off many a cliff with my big blue light-baseballbat.

03-01-2002, 12:24 PM
the chat is going on right now!!! after logging in and pressing chat now a popup window appeared with the chat applet

i dont know why it doesnt over there?!!? but a transcript will surely be posted

03-01-2002, 12:26 PM
Well I dont think it looks cool, it makes the sabr seem cheap and less elegant.

03-01-2002, 12:27 PM
A transcript will probably be posted. I'm looking forwards to reading it.

03-01-2002, 12:30 PM
I agree with broode...

But I wanna go in the chat too... *cry*.

03-01-2002, 12:31 PM
it looks pretty cool...but then again it would be cooler if it chopped them in half

03-01-2002, 12:36 PM
Quote by Belgirion
it looks pretty cool...but then again it would be cooler if it chopped them in halfWhy does everyone keep saying this??!!:mad:
This is JK we're talking about here! Not some blood game!!!:mad:

03-01-2002, 12:41 PM
Where is the chat how do you get to it? i'm jsut back from outward bound so i have missed laods and have a newbie's spoon replica gift if you're new.

03-01-2002, 12:43 PM
This is JK we're talking about here! Not some blood game!!!

Actually this is JO were talking about :D

03-01-2002, 12:45 PM
JK2 JO. Whatever!!!

03-01-2002, 12:46 PM
Originally posted by Silent_One
Why does everyone keep saying this??!!:mad:
This is JK we're talking about here! Not some blood game!!!:mad:
cutting in half with a lightsaber doesnt mean blood at all, Its what should really happen

I agree with you Tomcat

03-01-2002, 01:39 PM
i woudl quote a thing that tells you abotu the blood but i'm tired and it's only 7pm.

03-01-2002, 01:44 PM
Quote it Quote it!!!!!

03-01-2002, 01:48 PM
*reaches for mosue but falls asleep and hand hits off the mosue and lcicks on pron ad*
Oops. "snore"

Pedro The Hutt
03-01-2002, 08:01 PM
Well a saber instantly scorches all wounds.. so they can't bleed.
And well.. even if it ends up being a lightbat..... we'll just have to rely on the modding world to create something that lets us cut through them decently. (altough I doubt it that it'll be like that in the finished game.. we could slice through them without sending a stormie flying in JKI... it would be stupid if it really was different in JKII)

03-01-2002, 08:31 PM
I don't like it either, but they need a teen rating. Chopping troopers in half will give it a M no trouble.

03-01-2002, 08:44 PM
COME ON!!!!! What is Raven doing? "Oh, it looks cool!!! Blah blabityblahblah
Why can't they just animate the enemy holding the area that was hit with the saber and fall lifeless or hell, just use the JK1 way. It looks cool is a stupid, juvenille and selfish reason to jeopardize te whole game. NO NO NO!! Unless it only happens on certain occasions when the enemy is charging...NO NO NO!

Ulic Quel Droma
03-01-2002, 09:02 PM
calm down its only a game if you hate it that much learn to mod and make something to change it like SBX

they're not making it for YOU theyre making it for the world not some little kid who thinks its cool to see blood and guts everywhere.

03-01-2002, 09:18 PM
I wasn't asking for blood. And BTW remember Maw was cut in half in that cutscene??? JK still got a teen rating...what's so wrong with a mature rating alot of the most successful games have M ratings...

I'm done for now :)

03-01-2002, 10:39 PM
Watch yourself, Ulic Quel Droma - you're pushing the limits. You have no idea whether anyone here is a so-called "little kid". Avoid name-calling and personal attacks, or you'll find your posts edited or deleted. Thank you for your cooperation, and I hope you enjoy your stay.

The knock-back effect does not look cool, in my opinion, it looks silly.

03-01-2002, 11:01 PM
I wonder if Raven cares at all what we think of the "baseball bat saber"

It seems to be pretty universily disliked.

When I first watched the trailer I thought to myself that either the "real" saber effects aren't done yet, or Raven doesn't want to show how they'll really look, so RAven put in the base ball bat saber to replace the real effect untill later...

I thougth the effect looked too silly to be true, but Raven has proven me wrong :).

As I stated in another thread, I do not believe Raven knows how to make JO have the little minor details that make games feel like Star Wars. So far Raven hasn't truely violated any Star Wars Cannon rules, but are misinturpreting them.. For example... the freezing effects of the Disrupter. It's true that there's disintergrating weapons in the Star Wars universe, however, I do not believe it would look like a phaser when fired, which only had people freeze when struck by a phaser in the original Star Trek because of lack of tech. Then there's the metal bullets... Sure, there ARE bullets in the STar Wars universe, however, RAven is taking the same approch that most Fps's do when it comes to weapons, which is: give several exposive weapons, several metal bullet weapons, and a few futuristic weapons like lasers. But what Raven may not understand is the fact that nearly every weapon the SW is a laser, and the bullet weapons are the rarities.. not the other way around. And now we have the baseball bat saber, which looks like it was created for the exact reason the devs mention; they thought it looked pretty cool, so why not include it? Which IMO, is not the way to go about it...

BTW, even though it may not sound like it, I think JO is coming along very well, and I don't really have any gripes about it... Just thought I'd clear that up incase it soudns like I Was ranting.. :).

03-01-2002, 11:15 PM
several metal bullet weapons,
I'm guessing their including several metal bullet weapons to have something that can't be deflected by the saber. Remember, the saber is going to be extremely more lethal and they may have to take setps to make the guns a little more powerful just to match up with the saber's power.

But what Raven may not understand is the fact that nearly every weapon the SW is a laser, and the bullet weapons are the rarities..
I've never heard of the repeater, etc. being present in star wars beyond the Dark forces games.. whose to say these aren't the "rarities".

03-01-2002, 11:34 PM
I don't like the implementation of the Fletchette launcher...it sounds too much like the flak cannon from UT. Also I think they could have made the Missle Launcher more "star warsy" Like change the name to Concussion Missle Launcher...also why did they have to put in the stun baton instead of fists? I thought it was much more fun to run up to an enemy and start punching them with the fists. sigh :(

03-01-2002, 11:36 PM
Well, i figure if your close enough to use the flechette cannon thingy then they are close enough to you to force pull it away. And apparently force seeing at its highest level lets you dodge sniper fire, not sure what thats about but it seems fair. I think that its unfair to assume that things are unballanced or not before we see the game in action. So far from what ive heard they are doing a good job avoiding the ballancing issues that were present in JK1, lets hope they continue to do so in all parts of the game.

03-01-2002, 11:40 PM
oh yah forgot to mention, i hate the stun baton idea also, but there will no doubt be some user mods put in there. Hopefully one big mod/patch to fix people's light-bat gripes as well as some improved weapon models like the bryar and the fists instead of baton thing.

but once again, we'll all have to wait untill the game comes out before our worries can be proven true or false.

Ulic Quel Droma
03-01-2002, 11:49 PM
Avoid name-calling and personal attacks, or you'll find your posts edited or deleted.

you think posts are all i care about..?
im simply saying if you dont like the way it works dont keep sayign it everyone knows that people arnt gonna like it
i pesonaly do like it, not all games have to be filled with blood and guts and arms chopping off to be good.

03-02-2002, 01:01 AM
I think it's all about HOW they flew across the room...backflip? side-spin? drop-and-die? hold down there and suffer (groin shots)? death that looks like being force pushed?

Personally, flying backward sounds cool, but...illogical? Lightsaber should just chop right through you, instead of knocking you backward a couple of feet......no? (Except you got hit by the Lightsaber handle REALLY REALLY REALLY HARD)

03-02-2002, 01:42 AM
Agreed, that was (and still is) my one complaint. I just think it looks plain ridiculous. And I'm not hungering for blood and guts, the light saber would instantly cauterize all wounds, so there wouldn't be any bleeding. And I'd be happier if they just fell down, I don't really care if they're chopped in half. Not a gripe that's going to prevent me from buying the game, just something I fear I'll think about every time I whip out the saber and decide to go after someone with it. -NoodlyGod

03-02-2002, 01:54 AM
OK, I know the saber should cauterize wounds so there isn't any blood (Luke's hand), but what about Ponda Baba's arm in the Cantina? Or that brief spurt of blood when Darth Maul got split in half?

Yeah, flinging enemies across the room with a light saber doesen't make a lot of sense physically, but it's a game for crying out loud. Some of you guys should relax.....

03-02-2002, 02:04 AM
<font color=cbcbff> I sort of agree. I don't like the knockback effect when they fly as far as in that video. It makes the saber feel like it's an impact weapon at times, while it's a slicing weapon at others. That inconsistancy combined with the fact that well....it just doesn't look cool, make me think that it should not be there atleast not in such an exaggerated way. I think it would be quite acceptable to make the lightsaber leave a mark on the bodies just like on the walls, and also to knock them back a slight bit. But swinging something that supposedly goes through <i>anything</i> and flinging bodies at distances of 10 feet or more just looks.... well, ridiculous. I think if this detail was left in, it would certainly not ruin the game, as IndianaJones9 seems to believe. The rest of it sounds simply too awesome to ignore because of an annoying thing like <i>lightsaber of the bear</i>.

03-02-2002, 03:25 AM
I would rather see the lightsaber just go through them and they fall to the ground. No blood, limb detachment or gore nesisary. The flying across the room thing just doesnt work for me. To me, Star Wars has all been about the lightsaber. I dont care about blasters or aliens or anything, just the lightsaber. Its just so cool and elegant and stuff. But Raven are ruining that for me.

And i do think that it will ruin the game! it will be totally unplayable if our enemies fly across the room! waaaaaah!

03-02-2002, 03:55 AM
<font color=cbcbff> Well, it's not <i>so</i> bad as to ruin gameplay. The enemies only fly on the killshot. I personally love to dismember bad guys, blood or not(just like my namesake) so I'll be whacking off a lot of arms and legs and hopefully heads. Bisecting someone would be cooler than cool. It's one of the things I'm most looking forward to about the game.

03-02-2002, 08:46 AM
Ulic Quel Droma, these forums exist so that people can express their opinions and communicate with one another. The only opinions we don't allow are those that personally attack other people. If you dont' like reading how a significant number of people don't like the knock-back effect of the lightsaber in JKII, then you should probably stop reading this thread. But don't become hostile toward others simply because they don't share your opinion. You don't see anyone attacking you because they don't share your opinion, do you? Just show some maturity and respect, and you'll do just fine in our community.

About the knock-back effect, it just looks so cheesy, it reminds me of some old 1980's arcade game, made by some obscure Japanese gaming company that nobody's ever heard of. Can you imagine? What if when Darth Vader killed Obi-Wan, Obi-Wan got knocked halfway to the Death Star reactor? Or when Obi-Wan killed Darth Maul, Darth Maul got knocked-back all the away against the far wall.

Any monkey can make skins that look like Stormtroopers, models that look like a lightsaber, and maps that look like Star Wars locales. But it's the details that make you believe you're in the Star Wars universe. These not-so-subtle oddities threaten to leave many gamers wondering what Raven was smoking. My point is this: a game isn't a Star Wars game, just because you call it a Star Wars game. I has to feel like a Star Wars game, and this goofy knock-back effect doesn't feel like any Star Wars movie or novel I've ever heard of.

Let's just hope that Raven tones this down to a less clown-like level before the game goes gold. Otherwise the whole drama of the storyline is in jepordy of being undermined by such silly distractions. How can you take a story seriously when when it doesn't even seem to take itself seriously?

03-02-2002, 08:55 AM
^ You are very Wise Vagabond, I agree.

03-02-2002, 09:00 AM
hey i love the way they have got the troopers to fly a cross the room you did not see that in jedi knight and all so the way the make them jump in the air when you kill them

The Truthful Liar
03-02-2002, 09:17 AM

We must learn to trust Raven and Lec - they are working together so... we shall see what we shall see.

Cheers ;)

Darth Katarn
03-02-2002, 09:33 AM
:deathstar i feel that this is not either cool or odd because starwars was created by one man "George Lucas" he is the one hwo said about haveing this game up and well if he has no problem towards this little thing then im with lucas he must of saw this and well hey.......

oh perhaps that is a little bit of Q3 inside???:deathii:

03-02-2002, 12:15 PM
Face it, the knock back looks cheesy. Even the Episode 1 over-the-top attacks against the battle droids didnt feature such hyperactive knock back. Raven should tone down this 'cool' effect.

03-02-2002, 12:18 PM
Wiluf, the funny thing is though, this isn't a case of "too cool" effects, or over the top special effects, but just simply slilly looking effects... :)

03-02-2002, 12:29 PM
it's a case of Special Sillyness

I wouldnt mind it if it was toned down a bit, a few feet, but this is ridiculous... its like they are hit with a solid hammer or something!!!

I'd rather have em just fall down in place (no dismemberment, gore, blood needed) than seeing myself hit a home run with my saber

Modders, at your marks, GO!

03-02-2002, 12:33 PM
everyone vote here (http://www.lucasforums.com/showthread.php?s=&threadid=33441)

Krayt Tion
03-02-2002, 12:33 PM
My earlier disatisfaction on the "Cool" answer is expressed here (http://www.lucasforums.com/showthread.php?s=&threadid=33390), if anyone is interested.

The problem with the SaberBat approach is this:

Having no dismemberment is one thing. I could get by with that easily.

However, the SaberBat emphasizes the lack of dismemberment and turns that fact around in a whole 'nother direction, one that mocks this very notion. It just makes the lack of dismemberment that much more obvious- I didn't even think that was possible, but they found a way, and it is aggravating.

Not to mention it tosses the suspension of disbelief carried with the lightsaber completely out the window by betraying almost everything we know about it from the movies.

Is this supposed be a cheap substitute for dismemberment? If they can't chop people up and still want the saber to have a cool effect, they are going about it the wrong way.

03-02-2002, 12:36 PM
I have a feeling that the same would be said if the enemy just keeled over....

Admit it. :D It would look cheesy, and there's no way to get around it.

03-02-2002, 01:54 PM
i don't REALLY hate it, but they really should tone it down a bit... flying back a few feet might be ok, if it happened occasionally... but flying back 12 ft while doing a 6 ft high backflip is just overdoing it.

they should put the same schorch marks that they put on the walls accross their chests and haev them look down in disbelief as they crumple to the floor...
if you think about it... a slash through the chest or stomach that DIDN'T go all the way through wouldn't cause much of a visible effect (especially to armoured troops), guts wouldn't fall out of the thin, cauterised wound or anything.

03-02-2002, 02:50 PM
So, are you guys saying that there is no dismemberment at all now? I thought that was going to be in the game.

Jeez, they show Kyle's lightsaber leaving molten scorch marks on the wall, and we're supposed to believe that when a lightsaber hits a person that they effect is that they're knocked back across the room? Surely not.

03-02-2002, 06:01 PM
Personally, I'm still keeping my fingers crossed that there is dismemberment in the game.

As far as the "knockback" of lightsabers, I think it looks silly. It should either be toned down, or removed (ie: people just fall over, like in JK/MotS).

Sure it will be funny at first, grand-slamming people into the stands with every hit (unlike Luke did to Vader in ESB, or Obi did to Maul in TPM), but I'd rather have it the old way than this.

That's just my two cents.

We can all make fun of the "Forcefield Bat" when the game comes out, deal? ; )

Darth Katarn
03-03-2002, 09:31 AM

03-04-2002, 05:30 PM
I think people shouldn't fly, just fall. There is really no point in them going all over when ya hit em with a, in theory, super sharp sword. And the way they fly is totally unrealistic, i mean They fly up, do a flip, then fall, and slide, all while moving to the right. It just isn't natural, even a bat doesn't do that. (don't ask how i know). So, i hope they make it so people just fall, don't fly, because it is way to much to have people fly. In multiplayer i'm sure people won't fly if you hit em (providing it's 2 hit kills).


03-04-2002, 10:16 PM
Yes i agree if they are worried about violence then it doesn't have to be super gorey, star wars battles weren't but people were still sliced and they showed an appropiate amount of blood.

I just hope it was for the trailers they did that.

Another thing is that im looking at is in the second trailer we cant see it clear enough but kYle slices vertically though the guys head, and their are some sparks left, and smoke as the guys head is cut in half however we cant see cleary in the trailer