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Lorewin
03-01-2002, 09:00 PM
Hello, I´d just like to say that PC Gamer Sweden has reviewed it now also, they get most material from pcgamer UK.
It got an Overall Score of 90%.
Probably the same beta as UK, but different opinions.
Its not a bad score, I just thought It´d be higher
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90% ? Ew, these Swedes need a good beating I think =)
Walker of Sky
03-01-2002, 09:07 PM
........O well, I guess u can't please everyone when u make a game, no one's perfect.
welcome to the forum Lorewin and thanks for the info
Can you tell us what they didnt like of the game? (why 90% and not 100% :D)
Eternity
03-01-2002, 09:33 PM
90% is good enough for me. :P
Most games get in the 70's.
OnlyOneCanoli
03-01-2002, 09:36 PM
Thanks for the heads up. Do you know of any new info included in the review, or anything noteworthy?
StormHammer
03-02-2002, 06:13 PM
Welcome to the forums, Lorewin, Walker of Sky and Raze. Hope you're enjoying your stay. :) Here... *hands each a chocolate Jedi Medallion* There you go. :D
Thanks for the heads-up, Lorewin. Mind you, if they're still basing their scores off a pre-beta version...then the score is pretty pointless, IMHO. :)
hah, ph001! you already gave me a medaillon so I now got one for free! muahahaha
Hey give the extra to me!
I never got mine....:(
darthfergie
03-03-2002, 12:46 PM
What!!! 90%
I say we get a couple of Sith together and go teach them how to review games.
Lets go guys...:vadar: :lightning :dmaul3: :jedijawa:
Yeesh guys.
Come on, 90% for a beta version of a game is pretty dang good.
We couldn't really have anticipated perfect 100s now could we?
TUS_Tomcat
03-03-2002, 01:31 PM
why not?!?!? It's starwars, you got a lightsaber, and you get to slice stormtroopers up!!!
100% baby
:elephant: :elephant: :elephant: :elephant: :elephant: :elephant: :elephant: :elephant:
Lorewin
03-03-2002, 05:26 PM
Well, the only complaints they had on the game was that It had some annoying puzzle solving in the worst console fashion, and that the AI was to good almost as if they had xray vision n could see through walls. The voice actings where good they say. and the MP was extremely well made with lots of different gametype options, one for instance where u gotta catch some animal that makes u immune to force powers.
Saber was really cool to they say and u can press a "lock" button that makes your saber lock with another enememys saber.
All n all they say its very very good, despite the AI n puzzel flaws wich I really dont care about. I will play it MP 99.64% of the time anyway and that part was VERY good they said.
Ok, dont have more typing energy.
oh and thanks for the chocolate Jedi Medallion... (?) I find that Stormhammer creature to be a little .. odd . :c3po:
thanks
so MP is great, I will also play 99% of the time MP, so I dont care much about the SP puzzles
If you think StormHammer and his Jedi Medallions are odd, wait till Jediknight_114 or Agen_Terminator start giving gifts...
Eternity
03-03-2002, 05:35 PM
I find that Stormhammer creature to be a little .. odd .
Thank you for making my day.
Walker of Sky
03-03-2002, 05:39 PM
I'm happy they found the MP part of the game to be very good. I would think that the MP was the most important part the developers felt they needed to work on, and since some reviews felt that it was good, I think the developers accomplished their mission.
That x-ray vision A.I kinda sounds like MOH:AA
Alot of people complained about it, but it only served to make things that much more fun and realistic for me.
StormHammer
03-03-2002, 06:23 PM
Originally posted by Lorewin
oh and thanks for the chocolate Jedi Medallion... (?)
You're welcome. ;)
I find that Stormhammer creature to be a little .. odd . :c3po:
:eyeraise: :eyeraise:
You have no idea. :D
And a big welcome to you too, ShortThug. Here... *hands over a chocolate Jedi Medallion*. ;)
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ShortThug
03-03-2002, 06:26 PM
90% is pretty good.
Proto
03-04-2002, 02:03 AM
I can bet those "annoying puzzle solving" is not really different from this in Jedi Knight or even Dark Forces and generally older, more ambitious games. I guess people just got used to "run and gun" type games and every puzzle gets annoing. Well, that's what i'll love JO for. Too good AI doesn't bother me either as it gets a tradition in latest FPS (RtCW, MoH:AA). For me those cons are pros as they just prolong the gameplay and make it more challenging. So if they cut down the score because of this down to 90%, then for me it's 110%:D
ZePhyR
03-04-2002, 02:23 AM
Guys, we have to accept the fact that this game may not be perfect, and afterall, 90% is nothing to complain about. It's still Editor's Choice as far as PC Gamer's Ranking goes, isn't it? :nut:
Lorewin
03-04-2002, 10:24 AM
yep, it got the Game of the month award.
They werent annoed with the fact that there are puzzles, just that there are stupid puzzles.
ALso there was a cool MP option where one guy is a Jedi Master and everyone else has blasters and have to kill him to be master themselfs, but I´ts probably old news .
I really dont care if its totaly crap Singe play. Shure I´ll play through single once. BUt with a good MP the game could last for years.
RoyalGuard
03-04-2002, 10:43 AM
90% is good enough, any game is going to have flaws especially at the beta stage.
Glad to hear that kill the fool with the Ysalmari made it to JKO, and a Master Tag sounds cool. I anticipate a complete lack of real social life after the release (which can't come soon enough!)
Its not exactly KFY, Its CTFY
Instead of flag there is a branch with a ysalamiri
check the zone JO site (http://zone.msn.com/jedioutcast) help section for info on the mp modes
Darth Simpson
03-04-2002, 01:04 PM
90% is not pretty good, 90% is an exceptional game. It seems like most of you are complaining about JKII getting 90%, which is pretty dumb. Again, 90% is excellent / great / incredible etc.
ZeroXcape
03-04-2002, 01:15 PM
Originally posted by darthfergie
What!!! 90%
I say we get a couple of Sith together and go teach them how to review games.
Lets go guys...:vadar: :lightning :dmaul3: :jedijawa: Yes... Some Sith and a scary Jawa! :jedijawa:
Originally posted by Darth Simpson
90% is not pretty good, 90% is an exceptional game. It seems like most of you are complaining about JKII getting 90%, which is pretty dumb. Again, 90% is excellent / great / incredible etc.
I know It's great, I was joking when I asked why not 100% :D
Hey Zero what would you rate the game?;)
ChangKhan[RAVEN]
03-04-2002, 08:16 PM
Originally posted by Lorewin
Well, the only complaints they had on the game was that It had some annoying puzzle solving in the worst console fashion, and that the AI was to good almost as if they had xray vision n could see through walls.
I think you might have to take the review with a few grains of salt... I don't know where they'd get the x-ray AI thing... and there is no "saber lock" key (or anything vaguely like that), so I think they're a bit misinformed... I wonder if they actually got to play the game? I also don't know what version of the game they saw/played...
Wacky_Baccy
03-04-2002, 08:17 PM
I think 90% is a good score - not as good as I'd have hoped for, but more than respectable - especially if they were reviewing a beta complete with Batsaber effects ;)
Hello Mike - care to tell us anything about the BatSaber's status? :D
ChangKhan[RAVEN]
03-04-2002, 10:52 PM
Originally posted by Wacky_Baccy
Hello Mike - care to tell us anything about the BatSaber's status? :D
Yeah. I've been following the thread and all I have to say is the arguments and justifications are pretty much moot at this point.
Darth Yittreas
03-04-2002, 11:35 PM
Hey, mike, could you please tell us if what we saw in the video was the strongest stance?
Wacky_Baccy
03-04-2002, 11:38 PM
Originally posted by ChangKhan
Yeah. I've been following the thread and all I have to say is the arguments and justifications are pretty much moot at this point.
I'm not really sure if that's good or bad... But I expect that's what you intended :D ;)
[Sheer speculation - "I know nothing!" ;)]
JKII:JO will go gold very soon (read: within a week), which is why all points are moot - they couldn't change it now even if they wanted to.
[/Sheer speculation]
<font color=cbcbff> So either it's already been fixed or it's still in there but the game is complete and no matter how much we whine, squeal, complain, and interpret, we argue to no avail. Either way, I suppose there's really not much of a point to arguing it anymore. Their goal is sales. A fun game gets the most sales. The lightbat won't totally kill the game's fun if it's still there and they are not losing me as a customer because this game is mine either way.
Ulic Quel Droma
03-05-2002, 03:41 AM
screwed that up didnt ya Obi :p
hey mike, what can we expect with the reborns?, will they go up in skill and how often will we encoutner them? :)
Jedi Nizar
03-05-2002, 04:11 AM
this review ist full of error,
like they said in the begening that Kyle gived his lightsaber to luke after his father died.
after his father died??!!! he got his saber after his father died!!!!
Originally posted by ChangKhan[RAVEN]
Yeah. I've been following the thread and all I have to say is the arguments and justifications are pretty much moot at this point.
hmmm
I checked dictionary.com and based on that and in Wacky's answer, I guess he means that It's an arguable thing but irrelevant.
So I guess there will be batsaber in the game, altough we don't know how often it will appear
This was predictable, the game entered beta stage several weeks ago, so I doubted we could get anything changed
Someone mentioned on the poll thread that we were freaks complaining about this, and that some people mentioned not buying the game. Some people take things too seriously, the ABSL is a joke (altough I think I'll keep that in my sig ;))
I would have prefered real working LS, but that will be in JO2 or later. If there is no real saber I would prefer JK like deaths always, but I will have to get used to the BS
Now care to tell us anything about the current state you are in? :D
Will the game go gold really soon? when will the demo be released? :D
No you can't answer that probably...:(
Hi ho everyone!
I (as probably many others) have been watching this forum since waaay back but has never registered because my questions often get asked (and answered) by other ppl. Now the time has come for me to enter the stage and waste more of my free time by posting here.
Why i choose to register now was because of the negative reactions to this swedish review of JK2:JO by swedish PCG.
To start of have to say that I was quite disappointed with the score of the game. By other reviews i had hoped for a higher score. But in my disappointment i recalled that the swedish PCG had started with a new score-rating-systemabob just some months ago making high percentage in games less frequent. The readers had criticized the high scores of games, (for example; Black and White 96% = Game of the Month, later with the new system; MoH:AA (that got appraises like "It's almost better than H-L" and was really liked bye swe-PCG) 94% = Game of the Month).
So in other words 90% is damn good in swedish PCG. And it got the magic title "Game of the Month".
We are just more picky in Sweden it seems ;).
And btw ChangKhan don't worry, they never mention anything about a "Sabre Lock-key", Lorewin must have misinterpreted the text. And that thing about X-ray AI, well the reviewer is known for not being extremely good at FPS's ;).
Though I still think of one thing, swe-PCG has declared that they only review full-fledged, gone-gold versions of games and this version has not been translated as i have read the UK version. So what have they really been playing? Hrm...
grumpycrab
03-05-2002, 12:01 PM
Originally posted by P129
Hi ho everyone!
...swe-PCG has declared that they only review full-fledged, gone-gold versions of games and this version has not been translated as i have read the UK version. So what have they really been playing? Hrm...
Well swe-PCG are lying. The game has not gone gold. Treat it as a preview and there's no problem.
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Grumps
Originally posted by grumpycrab
Well swe-PCG are lying. The game has not gone gold. Treat it as a preview and there's no problem.
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Grumps
Maybe it's not a Gold version of the game but probably a Beta or late Beta version so why shouldn't I treat it as a review? They had the MoH:AA Beta long before the review but never reviewed it because of it's obvious flaws and bugs. Surely they reviewed the Beta version but they never review a to early Beta version of a game, it's absolutely fresh so it's at least the latest Beta version. The UK PCG did it aswell and I sure ass hell don't treat it as a preview as it probably is really close to the Gold version.
TUS_Tomcat
03-06-2002, 09:22 AM
the UK one was a pre beta version...
Originally posted by TUS_Tomcat
the UK one was a pre beta version...
Maybe so but they made a review on it and that call must have been enough for making it review material.
Btw, a Pre Beta version means that it's Alpha and no sane person would judge the full version after a Alpha version so I highly doubt your facts...
risod
03-06-2002, 09:39 AM
According to a member of swedish PCG staff the version tested was finished in the gameplay part. The stuff that kept it from being completely finished was some hires cutscenes and menus.
I have to agree with p129 about the score. Swedish PCG has gotten critic for giving too high scores and its just now that they have decided to lower the scores (or raise their standards).
Also commenting on another issue, the release date question.
Am I the only one who noticed that the release date was written on Gamesdomains chat transcript page. It said, Europe 28 March and US on the 2 April. Seems likely since those are the dates previously discussed, both might be true.
That release date stuff is quite strange if you ask me. For the first, LucasArts will distribute the game in North America and Activision will distribute it in Europe and rest of the world. Second, many have stated that the game will come first to European countries and thats really strange...
TUS_Tomcat
03-06-2002, 10:52 AM
Fine then dont believe me, but you prove my point, it was rediculous to review that... IMHO
it was a pre beta, Raven developer said it himself
:rolleyes:
thrEEpaGe
03-06-2002, 11:02 AM
tomcat, i would have to imagine that they were rating the game as a whole based on the fact that it was a beta. eg 92% for a beta game....
TUS_Tomcat
03-06-2002, 11:11 AM
It was silly they said in the UK review that the game could use an extra month of development.. Review came out in february, its now begin march, what, and the game is still in development eh?
:rolleyes:
P120, You cannot doubt the facts.
PC Gamer UK are off their heads. They gave Hitman a badscore, and they could hardly point out any bad bits :rolleyes:
Typical. And PCGUK onlyp ointed out friggin stupid thing in jk2 review, and it was pre-beta!!!!(alpha to you Mr. P129)
And the newbie spoon replica gifts today goto Lorewin, Walker of Sky and Raze. They are completely safe and will not do anything to your brain.
ryudom
03-06-2002, 12:30 PM
maybe by x-ray AI he ment the dark jedi oponents. I would make sense, right? A dark jedi should be able to tell where you are. Jerec was blind, he could probably "see" through walls. In JK multiplayer you could use force seeing and the map, right?
or maybe he has no idea what he's talking about I don't know.
Raven said you could steathy right? that would be impossible if stormtroopers always knew where you were.
Com Raven
03-06-2002, 01:04 PM
Your expectations score-wise are much to high...
Here in germany, a score of >90 % is godlike.....
I always asked myself why every game in USA gets 98 %....
Originally posted by Agen_Terminator
P120, You cannot doubt the facts.
PC Gamer UK are off their heads. They gave Hitman a badscore, and they could hardly point out any bad bits :rolleyes:
Typical. And PCGUK onlyp ointed out friggin stupid thing in jk2 review, and it was pre-beta!!!!(alpha to you Mr. P129)
Well if PCGUK felt like reviewing a Pre-Beta version of the game they probably had good reasons (being the first out with a "review":p) and felt that it was good enough to be reviewed. Sure they pointed out stuff that just was in the Pre-Beta but the game got a high score right?
And on that Hitman review not many other gaming magazines gave it such a high score. Don't get me wrong i loved it personally but i can totally understand ppl who didnt like. I can't put the finger on it but it really felt half-done. I can totally understand the reviewer that it wasn't his cup of tea and he couldn't really explain why but when he's working for one of the biggest gaming magazines he should have tried harder to explain why he didn't like it. And that brings us to another point, blaming on the magazine just because of one reviewers oppinions is kind of shortsighted...
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