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darthfergie
08-15-2001, 11:45 AM
Who do you think will be the most effectual in the game. Troops, Mechs, Artillery, Air, Jedi, or Ships??? Why???

Wraith 5
08-15-2001, 12:13 PM
I the hands of a good player....

Any of thouse units could win a game.

darthfergie
08-15-2001, 12:15 PM
But which type will be you favorit or which type will prove most effective to you????

Kvan
08-15-2001, 12:16 PM
Originally posted by Wraith 5
I the hands of a good player....

Any of thouse units could win a game.
True, but I think for average players it will be the Jedi

Lord JayVizIon
08-15-2001, 12:30 PM
any star wars fan will shoot for the jedi. i think mechs, jedi and even air units to some degree will effect the outcome of the game. btw, just imagine sending a bunch of troops to a space platform only to confront tie bombers....

Wraith 5
08-15-2001, 12:37 PM
ok in the hands of the great wraith the artilly will be the unit i try to use the most...

I still can' bring myself to say it will be the best.

Booya2020
08-15-2001, 03:26 PM
You forgot bounty hunters. I hope the Impirial version looks like Boba Fett. Anyhow the best will be Jedi. Have you seen that video of the dark Jedi tearing through all those rebel troops? Imagine its a lategame standoff. Both players are building up their forces. One goes Jedi the other goes troops. Who do you think would win?

Mitth'raw'nuruodo
08-15-2001, 04:27 PM
The jedi will definately be very influencial if not the deciding units in many GB battles. They are just soo strong. :D

Kvan
08-15-2001, 06:14 PM
Originally posted by Booya2020
You forgot bounty hunters. I hope the Impirial version looks like Boba Fett. Anyhow the best will be Jedi. Have you seen that video of the dark Jedi tearing through all those rebel troops? Imagine its a lategame standoff. Both players are building up their forces. One goes Jedi the other goes troops. Who do you think would win?
I REALLY hope they don't all look like Boba Fett! What happens if they decide to use clones in the future? It's gonna look really weird then. They should just have them all look plain, maybe add some cool armor...

Admiral Thrawn
08-15-2001, 06:34 PM
Yes, that would be dumb having tons of :fett: 's...

Tie Guy
08-15-2001, 08:30 PM
I choose jedi. It just seems to me that the people who can master the art of using jedi will have a very big advantage in any game.

Mitth'raw'nuruodo
08-15-2001, 10:16 PM
I think that Jedi should be difficult to master and require lots of practice. The last thing we need is a bunch of newbies with a million Jedi! :ben:!

Tie Guy
08-15-2001, 10:30 PM
well, building a million jedi would quite a daunting taks, unless you had an editor or something. :D

The newbies are going to be everyone when this game comes out, since it is new. Everyone will have to learn the units and figure out the strategies. Jedi won't be that hard to use, coz they are so powerful, but if you get a hold of some and really know how to use them, then they become even more powerful.

darthfergie
08-15-2001, 11:12 PM
Originally posted by Tie Guy
well, building a million jedi would quite a daunting taks, unless you had an editor or something. :D

The newbies are going to be everyone when this game comes out, since it is new. Everyone will have to learn the units and figure out the strategies. Jedi won't be that hard to use, coz they are so powerful, but if you get a hold of some and really know how to use them, then they become even more powerful.

"...become more powerful than you have ever dreamed"

Kvan
08-15-2001, 11:14 PM
Originally posted by darthfergie


"...become more powerful than you have ever dreamed"
I believe thats "...become more powerful than you can possibly imagine"
I might be wrong...:)

Mitth'raw'nuruodo
08-15-2001, 11:19 PM
Sorry, fergie *bash, bash, bash* but I think Kvan's right. :D

Tie Guy
08-15-2001, 11:24 PM
He is, except it is possibly, not possible.

Anyways, does anyone think that the air is gonna be a major part, or just a bonus feature?

Admiral Thrawn
08-15-2001, 11:24 PM
Yep he is.

Kvan
08-15-2001, 11:26 PM
Originally posted by Tie Guy
He is, except it is impossibly, not impossible.

Anyways, does anyone think that the air is gonna be a major part, or just a bonus feature?
Well thank god I didn't say any of those words Tie! ;)
I did mean to say possibly, not possible though

Tie Guy
08-15-2001, 11:32 PM
yes you did, look again :D

Anyways, is someone gonna answer my question, i want opinions here ya know. I'm very interested.

Mitth'raw'nuruodo
08-15-2001, 11:32 PM
Originally posted by Admiral Thrawn
Yep he is.

Excuse me but you may want to fix up something before bashing others, Mr. Norghi ;)

j/k It's Nohgri :D

darthfergie
08-15-2001, 11:48 PM
I wasn't bashing...at least I don't think I was bashing. Besides it was the Fergie cut that I got that from...not the movies;)

Kvan
08-15-2001, 11:54 PM
I'm so lost in this thread :confused:
Who voted for Navy? (trying to keep it on topics) :)
BTW I bash you ALL!....hehehe

Lord JayVizIon
08-15-2001, 11:57 PM
Originally posted by Tie Guy
He is, except it is possibly, not possible.

Anyways, does anyone think that the air is gonna be a major part, or just a bonus feature?

when i first saw air units in starcraft, i thought they were just a bonus feature. however, they provide good support and can be used in all environments. they will be a welcomed addition.

tie, i sense distrust in the air force? first you didn't think they could hit one another, now you think they're a bonus feature?

darthfergie
08-15-2001, 11:58 PM
I wonder who voted Jedi:D

Lord JayVizIon
08-15-2001, 11:59 PM
i did:fett:

Admiral Thrawn
08-16-2001, 12:22 AM
Originally posted by thrawn12786


Excuse me but you may want to fix up something before bashing others, Mr. Norghi ;)

j/k It's Nohgri :D

I was agreeing with the previous poster. Also thanks for giving me the warning, even though it is Noghri.

dvader07
08-16-2001, 12:46 AM
I havveeee been reading all the different opinions here, and I think that most likely we will all be wrong about the jedi. I too voted thaat they would be the most influential, but the more I think about it, if I was going to try and balance out the game I would make sure that they were not that much more powerful. I few things I have read lead me to believe that this is true. First of all, if you read the post about jedi detection units, then you probably came to the conclusion that it is going to be pretty easy to counter the cloaking feature of the jedi with some basic defense planning, secondly they bounty hunters soul purpose is to kill jedi so if you plan carefully in your troop build up you will be able to counter the jedi threat. Yes jedi are powerful, but if properly planned for, they can be countered. If you really think about it, this is true for all units, aircraft would be devestating if you dont have air defense, and I don't know about you, but I tremble at the thought of having an AT-AT unleashed on my base.

:atat:

Gamma732
08-16-2001, 12:57 AM
The Jedi will be very powerful(ie: that video clip), but hopefully they won't be a complete super-unit where if you got enough of em you could destroy everything between slaughtering infantry and converting the big stuff(AT-ATs). But I doubt any one unit will completely dominate every game because the designers of the game, as with most other RTS's are probably spending most of their time balancing the units........at least I hope ;)

Admiral Thrawn
08-16-2001, 01:06 AM
Originally posted by dvader07
I havveeee been reading all the different opinions here, and I think that most likely we will all be wrong about the jedi. I too voted thaat they would be the most influential, but the more I think about it, if I was going to try and balance out the game I would make sure that they were not that much more powerful. I few things I have read lead me to believe that this is true. First of all, if you read the post about jedi detection units, then you probably came to the conclusion that it is going to be pretty easy to counter the cloaking feature of the jedi with some basic defense planning, secondly they bounty hunters soul purpose is to kill jedi so if you plan carefully in your troop build up you will be able to counter the jedi threat. Yes jedi are powerful, but if properly planned for, they can be countered. If you really think about it, this is true for all units, aircraft would be devestating if you dont have air defense, and I don't know about you, but I tremble at the thought of having an AT-AT unleashed on my base.

:atat:


Yes, AT AT's will be very powerful. Imagine 20 of those backed up with 10 AT ST's and storm troopers attacking you.

Also Jedi will be very powerful, kind of like the AoC War Elephant that could be taken down with like the right units massed together.

darthfergie
08-16-2001, 09:06 AM
Originally posted by dvader07
I havveeee been reading all the different opinions here, and I think that most likely we will all be wrong about the jedi. I too voted thaat they would be the most influential, but the more I think about it, if I was going to try and balance out the game I would make sure that they were not that much more powerful. I few things I have read lead me to believe that this is true. First of all, if you read the post about jedi detection units, then you probably came to the conclusion that it is going to be pretty easy to counter the cloaking feature of the jedi with some basic defense planning, secondly they bounty hunters soul purpose is to kill jedi so if you plan carefully in your troop build up you will be able to counter the jedi threat. Yes jedi are powerful, but if properly planned for, they can be countered. If you really think about it, this is true for all units, aircraft would be devestating if you dont have air defense, and I don't know about you, but I tremble at the thought of having an AT-AT unleashed on my base.


You need to remeber that Bounty Hunters have to fight for production because they are in your fortresses. So they have to sacrifice time to your unique unit and Trebuchet. The Jedi may be powerful but they cost a ton (450nova) and they will probably build slower than any other unit in the game. Also Bounty Hunters are expensive too. So defence from Jedi will be hard, but properly using Jedi will be very difficult. Especialy for a game that, in multiplayer, most maches are solved very early in the game with early rushes of militia.

Wraith 5
08-16-2001, 09:09 AM
Well again if you plan well even 20 at-at, and support units won't be a problem.

Airspeeders can kill an at-at very quickly, and if the group you ust discribed came at a base with just 2 or 3 airspeeders, it would be dead before airsupport could get there.

Tie Guy
08-16-2001, 03:17 PM
Originally posted by Lord JayVizIon
tie, i sense distrust in the air force? first you didn't think they could hit one another, now you think they're a bonus feature?

I don't distrust the air force, where did you get that. I was just stating the possiblility that the air units may not be able to hit each other, that thought comes from the C&C series. As for thinking they are a bonuis feature, i was asking a question, not saying it was one or the other.

Admiral Thrawn
08-17-2001, 02:17 AM
Originally posted by Tie Guy


I don't distrust the air force, where did you get that. I was just stating the possiblility that the air units may not be able to hit each other, that thought comes from the C&C series. As for thinking they are a bonuis feature, i was asking a question, not saying it was one or the other.


I hope that the air units will be able to attack each other, and not sit there spitting lasers like SpaceCraft.
Also the Air units will be probably the best in the game, they can take down Jedi with a few well placed bombs, but not inside your city where the bombs can waste you to.

Kvan
08-17-2001, 02:24 AM
Originally posted by Admiral Thrawn



I hope that the air units will be able to attack each other, and not sit there spitting lasers like SpaceCraft.
Also the Air units will be probably the best in the game, they can take down Jedi with a few well placed bombs, but not inside your city where the bombs can waste you to.
Yeah I hope air units move when they fight but some how I don't think that will happen. It might be a good thing too. It would be to hard to select them in the heat of battle if they were all moving around.
I really hope air units don't rule the game (like in Focom). :)

Lord JayVizIon
08-17-2001, 03:09 AM
first of all what's spacecraft?

second of all, yes thrawn air units will be able to attack each other, but they may not be in motion such as what you suggested. if you're looking for that, buy the xwing series.

air units won't be too powerful (for one thing capital ships are not in the game), but they will support the ground forces as far as i understand.

Paragon_Leon
08-21-2001, 06:16 PM
i voted for the aircraft. it adds a whole new dimension and tie bombers can even take out underwater structures of gungans. now that's some serious influence...

observer_20000
08-21-2001, 06:19 PM
Originally posted by darthfergie
Who do you think will be the most effectual in the game. Troops, Mechs, Artillery, Air, Jedi, or Ships??? Why???

It all depends on the terrain, the opponent, and your resources.

Admiral Odin
08-22-2001, 08:36 PM
I will and yes.

I found in other games air units can turn a battle, but for the best unit type in the game....have to play it first.

Also depends upon the oppent. Someone who has no air defense mean air units are the best, while if the have ton of air defense don't bother with them.

Darth Maul Jr.
08-22-2001, 10:27 PM
Artillery is the queen of battle...or so it was for the napolean times....air supieriority is the key in modern warfare, but i'm guessing they made jedi's the equivalent of gods, which in my opinion takes away from the RTS element...it wont be about building troops and using strategies it willbe about who can buy the most jedi first... If you got a unit that powerful in the game then why even make it an RTS,...just cut the crap and make a Jedi first person deathmatch game...yeah yeah, they got bounty hunters so what! I've heard very little in the way of bounty hunter plus it seems tha bounty hunters are only there for jedi's...well if hte jedi has troop support to kill the bounty hunter that can obviously on kick a jedi's ass..then they takes the bounty hunter out of the way and leaves the jedi to do what he wants..i was personally ticked off by monks and protoss dark templars. I got a new title for this game, "Star Wars: Jedi Hunting GRounds"!!!!!!! Cool!!!!:D

Admiral Odin
08-22-2001, 10:33 PM
I don't think the jedi will be as good as you think. Besides even if they are eventually it would get boring and you would move on to other units....

darthfergie
08-22-2001, 10:35 PM
Originally posted by Admiral Odin
I don't think the jedi will be as good as you think. Besides even if they are eventually it would get boring and you would move on to other units....

This is for the most effective unit in your hands.:D

Like someone might be superbly talented in the area of the Navy...while his partener is a Mech Commander:D

So what are you???:D

Admiral Odin
08-22-2001, 11:00 PM
I know it is the most effective but I don't think it will be a god unit...


I'm usually great with the Air units, however it depends on the game.... AoK I was the best with infantry especially the Woad Raiders/Tuetonic Knights.

corranhorn
08-25-2001, 06:31 PM
Duh, to be Balanced they degrade how good the jedi are. I think air units will rule because they do in starcraft, modern warfare, AND other RTS games.

Tie Guy
08-25-2001, 06:36 PM
I think that they will be like tanya in RA2. When you have her, you use her and she is dealy, but you don't bother to build her.

Darth_Rommel
08-25-2001, 06:37 PM
I always build atleast 60 Tanya's in RA1! :D Why don't you use her, TIE? :confused:

Jimi-Wan
08-25-2001, 07:49 PM
I voted Jedi, and a close second would definitely be bounty hunters, for obvious reasons.

Also, i keep seeing some of you reference an in-game video that shows a sith killing a lot of troops, can i get a link from somebody? Thanks.

Darth_Rommel
08-25-2001, 07:56 PM
Go to the multimedia section of this site... ;)

Jimi-Wan
08-25-2001, 08:17 PM
Ahhh, thank you Rommel.

Darth_Rommel
08-25-2001, 08:27 PM
Your very welcome... :D

Admiral Odin
08-25-2001, 09:34 PM
Originally posted by Tie Guy
I think that they will be like tanya in RA2. When you have her, you use her and she is dealy, but you don't bother to build her.

Ah yes Tanya, once I had a supreme force of Elite paratroopers (around 50) They have stopped many tank rushes. Here comes Tanya and there goes my elite force.

Tie Guy
08-25-2001, 11:37 PM
Originally posted by Darth_Rommel
I always build atleast 60 Tanya's in RA1! :D Why don't you use her, TIE? :confused:

Because 60 tanyas would cost you 60,000 thousand gold, and she can't kill tanks very well.

Drakeon
08-26-2001, 01:52 PM
i voted Jedi too :)

Darth_Rommel
08-26-2001, 02:00 PM
Originally posted by Tie Guy


Because 60 tanyas would cost you 60,000 thousand gold, and she can't kill tanks very well.

Geez... she's alot more expensive in RA2 :D

Tie Guy
08-26-2001, 02:46 PM
Originally posted by Darth_Rommel


Geez... she's alot more expensive in RA2 :D

I can't remember how much she is in RA1, but she is $1000 in RA2, if you couldn't figure that out. But she can swim, and she can blow up ships in the water, as well as building.

xwing guy
08-26-2001, 03:29 PM
In RA2 Yuri's Revenge Tanya and Navy seals can place bombs on veihcles.

Tie Guy
08-26-2001, 03:32 PM
geez, she'll be nearly unstoppable if she can do that. Maybe she'll be really expensive, or have low HP. Otherwise it wouldn't be fair.

xwing guy
08-26-2001, 05:28 PM
Thats why you play the Allies and not have to worry about it.:D

darthfergie
08-26-2001, 05:38 PM
Or thats why you use Boris and call in an air strike to kill her:D

xwing guy
08-26-2001, 05:47 PM
Boris can only use airstrikes on building. He'll have to use his chain gun on Tanya if he wants to kill her.

Darth_Rommel
08-26-2001, 07:12 PM
Originally posted by Tie Guy


I can't remember how much she is in RA1, but she is $1000 in RA2, if you couldn't figure that out. But she can swim, and she can blow up ships in the water, as well as building.

I happen to be a math genius ;) , She can swim? In RA1... all she can do is blow up buildings, and kill infantry real fast :D ...

Admiral Odin
08-26-2001, 09:53 PM
Yes Tanya can swim in RA2 It is really cool (there are also Navy Seals in the campaing)