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loluz
03-28-2002, 02:45 AM
I hate to post this but here it goes. I've gotten pretty far in the game and i have noticed one thing that an extremely lame thing to do in a game. I've looked at the posts on the strategy section of the forum and what do i see? ALOT of posts about how you're stuck here, or you're stuck there. Now what does this mean? It could mean that there are lots of puzzles in the game that are very challenging and really add to the gameplay. BUT THATS A GODDAMN LIE. What Raven has done here is they have deliberately gotten you stuck over and over in the game... why you ask? TO MAKE IT SEEM LONGER. Yeah, i said it. They input these "puzzles" to slow down the game to a crawl. A friend of mine beat it in 2 days. He played it ALOT, but he still beat it in 3 days. He did get stuck MANY MANY times, but id bet it took him over 20 or so hours to beat the game. Seems like alot for a fps doesnt it? Sorry, its not. He then went through and beat it over again in probably 1/4th the time he did the first time. Now is that replayability? HELL NO IT ISNT. TURNS OUT THIS "GODSEND" THAT YOU FORUM GOERS REFER TO THIS GAME AS IS JUST A BIG LIE. Without these "puzzles" as some of you call them, this game is nothing but a point, shoot, and look for switch fps that would take you well under a day to beat. Not very fun if you ask me. I read somewhere that this game would have around 35 hours of gameplay? pfft. More like 1/4th that. Thanks for screwing me raven, i really appreciate it.

oh also
IF YOU HAVENT PLAYED THE GAME DONT POST ON THIS THREAD, BECAUSE I DONT CARE WHAT YOU THINK ABOUT WHAT I HAVE TO SAY UNLESS YOU HAVE PLAYED THE GAME.

qtseng
03-28-2002, 02:52 AM
Be careful there...

You're indirectly attacking us.

loluz
03-28-2002, 02:53 AM
who is us?

The Kessel Run
03-28-2002, 02:55 AM
Just a bunch of puzzles and shooting? You've screwed us all Raven! I'm going to refuse my FedEx order when it gets here! What a waste of my time! An FPS with pointing, clicking, shooting...and PUZZLES? HOW DARE YOU!

Jeez man, I think you need to take back JKII and pick up Diablo II or something, FPSes don't seem to be your thing.

TheStorm
03-28-2002, 02:55 AM
No they didnt, I really enjoy the game beyond belief. I mean if you remember JK 1 had puzzles that were really hard, and a lot of them were mind numbling stupid sometimes when you figured it out. That is your opinion, but like lots of others I love the game, I think it is one of the best to come out in a while. I belive Raven did a fine job, thats the whole point my friend, I want to be stuck and frusterated, that has always what has been making games long, either it be a boss or puzzle, but the games now adays are run and shoot run and shoot, with no puzzles, the bosses arnt even chalanging. so what I'm saying is it is a long game, like they use to be. Chalangeing, and not just supid.

loluz
03-28-2002, 02:56 AM
argh
you wont call them puzzles when you play the game
they are more like..being frusturated for 2 hours while you figure out where that switch you need to hit is. THATS NOT A PUZZLE THATS A SEARCH FOR A SWITCH.

and, this game isnt challenging, its frusturating. Once you find that switch its smooth sailing to the next place you get stuck in the game for a long period of time. There is *NO* replay value except for mp in this game, because its so damn short the 2nd time around.

oh btw, if you havent played the game, dont tell me anything ABOUT the gameplay because you dont know anything ABOUT the gameplay.

Silent_Thunder
03-28-2002, 02:56 AM
Have fun screwing yourself while I enjoy the game :).

TheStorm
03-28-2002, 02:57 AM
And Kessel what are you looking for then? That is always what FPS's have been, shooting. I dont know what you guys were expecting.

TheStorm
03-28-2002, 02:58 AM
Well lo i mean that was how JK 1 was like, there were times i spent hours just looking for a switch that was hard to find.

[CSF] Hawk
03-28-2002, 02:59 AM
I think he was being sarcastic

ChangKhan[RAVEN]
03-28-2002, 03:00 AM
*sigh*, you again, loluz? :rolleyes: Why won't you stay banned? So we're screwing you, eh? Good thing you didn't pay for the game, then.

loluz
03-28-2002, 03:01 AM
lol
see that?
thats a threat from a raven employee because i posted something bad about his game!
dont lock this thread, i promise this one wont stray off topic.

TheStorm
03-28-2002, 03:01 AM
I think Raven rocks, they have had me hooked since the days of Heretic. Ahh the guantlets.

Qel
03-28-2002, 03:01 AM
Looks like u are new to the fps arena!!!

I've been playin fps since the days of Wolf3D..and I expect the
puzzles to be challenging!!!

Besides i don't want have a game that i finnished in a day because the puzzle were too easy!!!

Qel

loluz
03-28-2002, 03:02 AM
im not new, i played df and jk1, and i can tell you they are nothing like this.. raven deliberately gets you stuck in the game just to make it appear longer, and it pisses me off that they would do this to the consumers. no wonder this game only took a year to devlope

The Kessel Run
03-28-2002, 03:03 AM
Dammit, I was trying to be sarcastic :)


No no no no no---yeah, guy below me just said it.....:)

I'm die hard FPS all the way, I have no complaints with run-and-gun indeed. I LIKE hunting for switches, the path to switches just lead to more stormtroopers and then when I finally hit the switch more spawn behind me and possibly some even bigger enemy is behind them, ready to jump out and I get to fight them.

Once again, I'm really NOT being sarcastic with this last paragraph as well I guess I'm not too skilled at the online sarcasm thing :)

BTW there is a really, really annoying ad on my screen and I can't even see some of my post to preview.....jeepers.

--ok, these must be some super puzzles here to really slow you down as much as you say (ever played Conundrum mod for Half-Life? Now THERE are some time consuming puzzles.) I don't know man....I'm beginning to wonder if it's just you. Most games make the puzzles fairly logical if you stop and think about them for a moment......I'll eat my words if I'm wrong but no one else seems to be complaining about this so far.

--I won't debate the matter further because admittedly I have not played the game yet, therefore I will simply hold on to the hope that you are wrong.

Be wrong.......be very wrong....

ChangKhan[RAVEN]
03-28-2002, 03:04 AM
Originally posted by loluz
lol
see that?
thats a threat from a raven employee because i posted something bad about his game!
dont lock this thread, i promise this one wont stray off topic.

What threat? Seriously, kid, don't you have somewhere else you can bother people?

Ramoz
03-28-2002, 03:04 AM
Threat? Do you even know what a threat is? There's nothing threatning in Chang's post..

Anyways, why don't you enlighten us loluz and tell us how you would have made the game oh so much better?

SPY_jmr1
03-28-2002, 03:06 AM
Why won't you stay banned?

just about sums it up for me..........:rolleyes:

edit: welcome to the fourms ramoz, hear *forks over lightsaber(re) candy bar gift TM* enjoy your stay, and watch out for troll dropings........

Thrawn
03-28-2002, 03:06 AM
Looky loulzer or loser, or whatever your name is, just because you don't have the mental capacity to figure these little puzzles out doesn't mean you should get mad at Raven and everyone else. I'm sure we can find you a nice Lucas Learning title with Jar Jar in it that will suit you.

ZeroXcape
03-28-2002, 03:07 AM
loluz: Why would we lock this thread? You're one of the few on the forums who feels this way... I'm sorry the game is too challenging for you: stick to console games and you shouldn't have a problem.

As for me, I'm off to MP some more.

loluz
03-28-2002, 03:07 AM
the add thing happens with me too when i try to log in...its really annoying. changekhan, please stay on topic, we're talking about the game and not anything else.

kessel, i completely agree with you but alot of parts in this game are just tedius and its obvious that all they try to do is stump you over and over again to get you stuck. Anybody ever play the game D? It had real puzzles, not attempts to get you stuck. Thats what i would like to see in this game.

Thanks for your input Thrawn, but i really dont care what you think. You sure do have a good way of judging whether someone is intelligent or not dont you? If i dont like a game that you think is a godsend or a religion of some type, im not as intelligent as you! Nice logic!

loluz
03-28-2002, 03:10 AM
attack my level of intelligence and my ability to play games!
i just love the people on these forums. WHAT YOU DONT SEEM TO UNDERSTAND IS THAT THESE SUPOSED PUZZLES IN THIS GAME ARENT PUZZLES. ALL THEY ARE IS A REALLY LONG SEARCH FOR A DOORWAY OR A SWITCH. WHAT PART OF THAT DONT YOU UNDERSTAND? THAT REQUIRES NO GAMING SKILLS WHATSOEVER, IT JUST REQUIRES THAT YOU DONT GET TOO FRUSTURATED (AS I AM WITH THE IDIOTS ON THIS FORUM).

TheStorm
03-28-2002, 03:10 AM
Sorry Kessel LOL thought you were being serious)

SPY_jmr1
03-28-2002, 03:11 AM
then why not play this "D"? you seem to like that......:rolleyes:

edit: all this spamming and only 27 posts? you suck at everything you do i guess ;) aspesto underware on.... check!

TheStorm
03-28-2002, 03:11 AM
Play Jedi Knight again and you will see the puzzles are kinda simmilar but not as logic. Im not downign the game, I love JKII I think puzzles are logical and fun. Thank you Raven.

The Kessel Run
03-28-2002, 03:12 AM
Oh no way man........All I need is flashy graphics and some weapons and cool death animations, maybe even some hype and I'm sold. Pair that with Star Wars, and I'm set :p

--need any more proof I might be the sole living person who actually purchased Daikatana on release........laugh as you might, FPS it was.

--I gained a new-found respect for the hard work FPS devs put in when I fired up Worldcraft for the first time and ended up reading the help file for about 6 hours before I finally managed to construct two rooms and a hallway connecting them. That was mere leveling, I don't like to imagine the rest of the work put in other sections.. *shudders*
I think Raven has worked hard enough to produce a good game. Go troll elsewhere, I beg of you L**** whatever your name is because I'm editing and not posting and I can't recall your name....blah

Ulic Quel Droma
03-28-2002, 03:12 AM
the reason he dosnt like it is cause he is a warezer, and warezers get the game because they're to impatiant
the same with the SP they're to impatiant to sit down and play through the game slowly they just go through and win ASAP


dont worry ChangKhan, i think it will be great to bad i have to wait an extra week cause of the slowness in New Zealand
maybe you can send me a signed collectors edition :rolleyes: :joy:

Thrawn
03-28-2002, 03:13 AM
A puzzle is when you search for the right pieces to put something together, wow, that's kind of what you did in level 1 of the game! Could it be that it's a puzzle? Yes, it is!

Prozac anyone?

Chizra
03-28-2002, 03:14 AM
This loluz guy is a real winner...

Suffice it to say that you downloaded the warez version and you thought it was too hard to figgure out the puzzles....some people are less capable than others at these difficult tasks.


Please move on you've made your point. :rolleyes:

Sifl
03-28-2002, 03:14 AM
Originally posted by loluz
the add thing happens with me too when i try to log in...its really annoying. changekhan, please stay on topic, we're talking about the game and not anything else.

kessel, i completely agree with you but alot of parts in this game are just tedius and its obvious that all they try to do is stump you over and over again to get you stuck. Anybody ever play the game D? It had real puzzles, not attempts to get you stuck. Thats what i would like to see in this game.

Oh, Jesus f*cking Christ, not this dipsh!t again... he's just pissed cuz he was snagged in a lie - he has a warez copy of the game and everyone knows it and tore him a new one. He's just some pale-faced pimply teenaged twerp sitting in his room annoying people to the point of being banned and downloading warez and porn. Get a life, you loser.

Seriously, folks (and Raven), ignore this @$$hole.

As a matter of fact, I highly recommend clicking on his profile and then selecting to ignore all posts by him so you don't have to be subjected to his juvenile ramblings... I just did and I already feel cleaner... :)

loluz
03-28-2002, 03:15 AM
hiding the only way out of a certain part of a level in an area labeled as a "secret area" is not logical. My goggles even ran out of batteries and i was **** out of luck, so i had to restart the level once i was told that i had to go down there to get out of the part of the level i was stuck on. Logical puzzles shouldnt force as many people that ive seen come onto irc asking for help out of the part they are stuck on or asking for help on the forums. If they were logical alot more people would be able to solve them on their own. I cant count how many people ive told to get on the damn mine cart.

loluz
03-28-2002, 03:16 AM
also, thrawn, i had no trouble w/that part of the game, that was a puzzle you could say, but its not really something you coudl easily **** up.

btw, STAY ON TOPIC IDIOTS

and if you havent played the game dont post
please dont post
because i really dont care about your input if you havent played the game im posting about.

jedialphaknight
03-28-2002, 03:19 AM
dude seriously if your going to go on and on about it....sorry if finding a switch is boring to you....try MULTIPLAYER yeah that OTHER aspect of the game oh no guys you have to use your MOUSE IN THERE........raven you sure screwed us!

hey chang, you are good guys, I waited till today to give my $50 to you, I think you deserve, seeing as I will be playing this game for a while, I feel as if I owe you something, wouldn't feel right stealing it :)

ZeroXcape
03-28-2002, 03:21 AM
A) Quit referring to everyone else as an idiot

B) Don't attempt to force people to stay on or off topic. The point of forums are to gererate discussion. If that discussion happens to shift, so be it. So far, this entire thread has been you complaining about the game being too difficult for you.

loluz
03-28-2002, 03:21 AM
mp is great, i love it.
what was that you were saying about using your mouse?
i was using mlook in qtest so please go home noob :D

Ulic Quel Droma
03-28-2002, 03:22 AM
Hate to break it to you but no one gives a rats ass about you and your half assed opinions, mods please close this thread:o

loluz
03-28-2002, 03:23 AM
thanks zeroxcape i really appreciate your input (im not being sarcastic, your the only one whose being nice to me)
but not once did i say this game was too difficult, i simply stated that raven deliberately gets you stuck in the game to make it seem longer. Also, the only reason im referring to everybody as an idiot is because most of them are posting about a game that they havent even played.



yeah close the thread because im badmouthing the game and your opinion is much more important than mine!
a half assed opinion would be yours, and pretty much everybody else who has posted on this thread. want to know why its half assed? BECAUSE THEY HAVENT PLAYED THE GAME.

Frosty_V2.1
03-28-2002, 03:26 AM
Jeez guys, can't you see that Ioluz is right? It's just a load of time wasting, I can't beleive I got sucked in but now you also say there is stuff u have to spend time finding...uggh. All you other guys that bought and played the game must be on drugs!

FEED ME, FEED ME

("Sigh" *puts on flame proof suit*
"Will this ever end?"

ZeroXcape
03-28-2002, 03:26 AM
You shouldn't assume people haven't played it. Some people have legit copies (example: myself), others have downloaded it (example: you.)
Regardless, don't try to force your opinion on people. You've shared your thoughts, we've all listened, now move on...

:fett:

PimpusOlympus
03-28-2002, 03:27 AM
loluz obviously doesn't like this game. K, fine.
But why bother posting about it in the manner that he is?
Because he wants a response.
He's just a flame starter, troll, whatever you want to call him.
And it would most certainly be best to just ignore him and wait for this thread to be closed...

HBK
03-28-2002, 03:30 AM
Maybe your threads wouldn't end up attacking you if you stated your points clearly, without shouting, without making unfounded accusations and flaming others, even if you believe it is in retaliation and it is ok.

HBK

loluz
03-28-2002, 03:34 AM
hbk, i would not shout if i were not insulted. I would not flame if i were not flamed. I would not accuse unless i am accused first.
:D :D :D :D

zeroxcape, this is for discussion, not for listening to my rants about a game. i post, we discuss.
oh and ive lost pretty much all the respect i had for you after your last post, and im sure you know what im talkign about

Ray Stantz
03-28-2002, 03:34 AM
Actually if people didnt give a rats ass about his post then they wouldnt respond.

The Kessel Run
03-28-2002, 03:35 AM
Lol oh I agree. After successfully completing every Raven FPS released dating back to friggin' Heretic I have had SO much trouble with the many mind-boggling puzzles that plague every one of their games. Take Soldier of Fortune for example, man there were a couple instances there where I didn't know which route to take in the sewers or if I would get shot if I stopped crouching behind a certain box. Raven is just plain crazy with the puzzles, they should really tone it down. They've gone way too far this time 'round though, I know that even before I get the game it will be a massive puzzle-fest yet again.

You have the know-how to download and decompress the rip of the game/create the iso and actually get into the game, which isn't rocket science but your average AOL kiddie probably couldn't manage it, yet you suffer through the many puzzles that are perplexing you throughout your warezed copy of the game?

This is becoming tedious. All the reviews so far seem to differ with your opinion.

At least this pathetic argument is passing the time until the sun rises, keep talking loluz, thanks to you I'll be popping brain cells over some of Raven's brainchild puzzles by noon tomorrow :cool:

Bacon00
03-28-2002, 03:36 AM
Just by downloading it illegally, I have totaly disregarded your opinion.

And I'm not kidding. I'm looking forward to the game moreso than I was before I read your post.

Kinda not what you expected, eh?

Go away, leave us be.

loluz
03-28-2002, 03:38 AM
yeah, brainchild puzzles
looking for a switch is mind boggling

jedimindtrick
03-28-2002, 03:42 AM
Did he just say noob?
You are officially gay(as in a pure jackass)...

ZeroXcape
03-28-2002, 03:43 AM
Originally posted by loluz
zeroxcape, this is for discussion, not for listening to my rants about a game. i post, we discuss.
oh and ive lost pretty much all the respect i had for you after your last post, and im sure you know what im talkign about Not really, but that's fine.

bunnymud
03-28-2002, 03:44 AM
Step 1: plug phone line into computer

Step 2: join a game ONLINE

Step 3: Look for puzzles to ***** about

Step 4: Die by a sun hot saber

Step 5: run CS

:evanpiel:

loluz
03-28-2002, 03:46 AM
heh, id own in a duel any day young man.
lets not stray off topic though
doesnt it bother you guys that raven would do this to you, the consumers. DELIBERATELY get you stuck in the game so it only SEEMS longer..
:)

The Kessel Run
03-28-2002, 03:47 AM
Uh oh, he completed ruined the ending and didn't signify that it was a spoiler..........

TOTAL BANAGE!!!!!!


DAMMIT Loluz, you have to work with me here, post some more spoilers without signifying that they are spoilers. I promise I won't reply with a reminder.

Good catch though :band:

loluz
03-28-2002, 03:48 AM
what, it looks like a spoiler to me
but lets not stray off topic

how do you feel paying $50 for gameplay that is intended to only seem 4 times as long as it is?

bunnymud
03-28-2002, 03:49 AM
"heh, id own in a duel any day young man."


I laugh at you sir.....HAH!

Lucky
03-28-2002, 03:49 AM
/*******************/
/****spoilers ahead***/
/******************/



I'm halfway thru the sp, been playin 3 days on my 'borrowed' copy. (gettin 2 copies tomorow chang don't count me out =P)

I've been stuck a few times. But only once or twice did i feel like it was just a 'search'. The bit in the hangar on nar shadda, tryin to open the roof for lando. It took me forever to find the grates i needed, only reason i did was cause i happened to mouse over em. Still, there's so much action in that hangar chances are you'll find em really easily anyhow. And Raven's usin the age old technique of keepin destructable stuff mostly the same texture, so if you just keep yer eyes open you'll find just about every switch/grate/destructable-explody-blow-up-wall-in-an-incredible-explosion texture in the game within 10-15 minutes. I spent half an hour looking for those grates but when i found them i felt like it was only just a tad silly.

The other puzzles in the game are just awesome. All the glyph puzzles I liked a lot. They required you to remember stuff and it was never just an object/key you were looking for, it was a symbol and u could guess if u didn't feel like hunting. Which i actually did a few times, lol.

All of the force puzzles were cool too, they were more of the 'action' variety, very easy to figure out. They definitely made sense tho, and that impressed me. I never got caught up thinkin 'this is just so i have a reason to use this silly power' like i did in MoTS.

There was one puzzle that just amazed me. The one on the mining world where yer tryin to figure out how to break all their junk. I ran around killin guys fer a bit, then I settled down to try to figure out what i was supposed to do with the crystal hauler. It was one of the early lvls, so i wasn't clear on the lvl of detail with the puzzles. I tried all the usual smack this with a thermal, hit this with a stun baton, and then i had to just stop and sit there thinkin bout what was going on.

Basically, you had to look at the process and deduce that there must be something venting heat =P not gonna give anything else away.

There were so many cues to that end too, that it was evident. This was hot, the heat has to go somewhere, cause its not hot when i reenter the room. (nother thing Raven did really well was telling u with kyles reactions and some nice partical effects what the ambient features of the room were)

I litterally was stumped until i sat there and thought. Ive never had to do that with an fps before. I had to think, in realistic terms, about what was going on. That was amazing. You want to call that a 'ploy to make the game longer' go right ahead, thats the kind of length i like. I really really enjoyed it.

At other points in the game you have to think about the architecture and decide exactly what a 'fuel pumper' is. Its in plain sight, but if you don't think about it from a technical perspective you'd miss it until you found the neat lil button top of it. If you have to search poly by poly for a switch because you can't think about whats goin on then i pitty you. Yer not gettin jack dash out o this game. Chode!

Raven got me thinking so hard I actually overestimated them a few times. Thats more or less what happened with the grates in the hangar. I started lookin at the hangar and tryin to figure out a path to get on top of it to open the doors. It was much simpler than that, but i had a fun time looking and considering what all the different structures in the lvl actually were and did.

And thats just the puzzles. Don't get me started on the rodian i shot off a roof with the sniper rifle. Aight, nm, ill tell u anyhow.

Rodian wasn't in a good spot to hit me, so i Just popped the silly bastard and watched him start to fall off the roof which wasn't too far away from me. I started headin towards a door and i could still hear the lil monster screaming. I started looking around around to shoot him again to get him to shut up, and got all nervous. It sounded like he was getting closer and closer. All of a sudden I remembered where he was when i shot him and i looked up. Lil green dood falls right on my head that second clutching his stomach. He knocked me off the catwalk i was on and i died! I was in shock fer a good 2 minutes again, then i started laughing and reloaded the lvl.

The rodian fell on me and killed me after i shot him off a rooftop. Now if thats not an amazing gaming experience I have no idea what is.

I've only got one question left for Raven. Why in the hell is kyle's lightsaber blue? I'm halfway thru the game and i still don't know. Did i skip a cut screne or somthin chang?


Lucky

SPY_jmr1
03-28-2002, 03:51 AM
well i cant find the "post", but i think most of you have seen it......
chang saw it i am positive. we all know you admited to dling the warez (GASP!) version......... soi am going to be "insulting" some more...... DROP DEAD!!!!!! :rolleyes:

The Kessel Run
03-28-2002, 03:52 AM
Hey, I payed $35 for HL: Blue Shift and it was just plain short. But it was a decent short, and it had some puzzles........er......for Half-Life they took about 3 minutes to figure out.


This statement has absolutely no point to it, I just thought I would post this instead of something else due to the major review of a person who has actually *GASP* played the game under me ...so...I'll just sort of wonder off for a while here .....

loluz
03-28-2002, 03:53 AM
haha, you actually went around trying to destroy everything in site on the mining level?
HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHHAHA
that is too funny

neway, you can ask chang, i didnt admit to it, and he will tell you that.

Lucky, thats the kind of posts i want to see, not flames or misinformed bs, but actual posts about the game (and his is probably the only informed one ive seen so far). Although i agree with you on some parts, the amount of people coming in and pleeing for help on just shows that some of the puzzles that raven put in the game were purely to frusturate you and get you stuck, therefore making the game seem longer. Also, after you complete the game and know how to complete every single puzzle, there is no replay value at all, which makes it your everyday shooter, nothing revolutionary with the single player.
the mp owns tho :)

SPY_jmr1
03-28-2002, 03:54 AM
lucky! USE SPOILER TAGS! i managed to skim past most of that post but i bet a bunch of peaple did not............ mod pls spoiler that whole post...... please ;)

bunnymud
03-28-2002, 03:55 AM
HAHAHAHAHAHA...

so this warez kiddie can't even PLAY online


it is ok kid.....you pimp mommie for the cash or wash your old mans car for some cash

hummm....wait......why am I feeding this troll???


/me turns his back without the least worry of retaliation

The Kessel Run
03-28-2002, 03:58 AM
Class President! Star Shortstop! Prom King! Class Clown!

Now there's an annoying puzzle that a person can't avoid before they're even playing the game. Discover where this is from loluz and I bow to your argument.

SPY_jmr1
03-28-2002, 03:58 AM
neway, you can ask chang, i didnt admit to it, and he will tell you that.



hmm not the fact that he called you a damn theaf(sp?) or something to that efect.........

i beleave it was a movie that had the line







"YOU SIR ARE AN *******! *spits on feet*":rolleyes: :rolleyes: please go away and this time......dont come back.

loluz
03-28-2002, 03:59 AM
btw, just for the record, i do work at software etc, and we did get our copies of jk2 in late today. But unfortunately our manager told us not to put them on the shelves until the 29th (but i snatched a copy).
and i can play online, im not sure why you say i cant.

Dar
03-28-2002, 04:02 AM
Originally posted by loluz
A friend of mine beat it in 2 days. He played it ALOT, but he still beat it in 3 days.

So which is it? Did he beat it in 2 days then hopped into his warez using time machine and go back and beat again in 3 days?

Thanks for screwing me raven, i really appreciate it.

You're welcome, anytime just ask! Next time we may not even use the Rancor, then again seeing as it IS you, prolly not.

oh also
IF YOU HAVENT PLAYED THE GAME DONT POST ON THIS THREAD, BECAUSE I DONT CARE WHAT YOU THINK ABOUT WHAT I HAVE TO SAY UNLESS YOU HAVE PLAYED THE GAME.

Now do you think I give a jedi flip what you think? Now there is a simple 2 letter word that will answer this for you. Come on, think real hard, I know it is a challenge for you but do or do not, there is no try.

Geez, ok, seeing how hard this is for you I will give you a hint.

The first letter is N.

The Second letter is O.

Ok no more hints.

Hal_Horn
03-28-2002, 04:02 AM
Look at me, I haven't played the game yet, I am getting it tomorrow. Yet I am still posting to this thread!! How can this be?!?! I didn't think it was possible.

But seriously, what response did you really want/expect from this thread? You come on here and yell at and insult people and you really expect a civilized on topic discussion?

bunnymud
03-28-2002, 04:04 AM
well lutz...if you can play the game online, why don't you PLAY the game online and quit crying about the SP game since it IS only YOUR opinion.


Oh...sorry, I forgot why.......now I remember

SPY_jmr1
03-28-2002, 04:04 AM
oh so now you work at software ect? before you warezed it.......
what store? what city? street address? phone number? back it up if its true.*hack**hack*dout it*hack**hack*

edit: welcome dar! hear*forks over lightsaber(re) candy bar gift TM*

try not to let the morons get to you.......

enjoy your stay!

Baleine
03-28-2002, 04:05 AM
I haven't read past the first page of this thread so sorry if what I'm about to say sounds similar to something already said.

First, those puzzles, call them what you want but yes they ARE a kind of puzzle-IE: you are puzzled about what to do next :p-dark forces had them, jedi knight had them its only right that jedi knight 2 has them. It serves to recreate the feel of the first two games and for that I am very glad. I wouldn't have it any other way.

The good: Again, it makes JKII feel like the other two games before it. It makes the game last longer (I dare you tell me thats a bad thing. Repeat after me: game lasts longer). It serves to change the pace. Too much shooting is as bad as not enough shooting.

The bad: Its frustrating if you're stuck for very long, but after the first few levels you SHOULD be aware that you need to look hard in every room you go, look under every rock (so to speak) and try anything that makes any kind of sense, so its not really that big an issue. It wasn't for me. It did slow me down at some points, and I did swear a time or two, but it never took too long for me to realize the solution

As you can see the good outweighs the bad. The game WAS over quick, and I wont be playing through again right away, but would you rather it had lasted 25 hours instead of 35? (this is a guess, i have no clue how long it lasted) But then again, most games these days dont last much longer than this. And considering the time it took to get this game to what it is today, I think the length was perfect. And now that the big boy is out in stores, they can concentrate on making an expansion pack or two.

loluz
03-28-2002, 04:06 AM
ok well
you want to know what kind of responses i wanted
INFORMED ONES


heh
city? Taylor, MI
its in the southland shopping center
our hours are 9am-9pm on mondays through fridays, 8am-9pm on saturdays, and 8am-5pm on sundays.

Ramoz
03-28-2002, 04:07 AM
Originally posted by Dar

The first letter is N.

The Second letter is O.

Ok no more hints.

Aaah! it's an unlogical puzzle! It's too hard to figure out! :rolleyes:



If he works for Software etc, then I work for the State Dept. :rolleyes:

Lucky
03-28-2002, 04:08 AM
Do you want the puzzles to change or somthin? they don't change in any other game. I'm lost as to what yer wanting out of the Raven guys.

The puzzles make you *think*, you simply can't expect to hit somthin like i did for the first 1 and a half lvls. If yer not used to thinking about an fps, they can be hella hard. They feel hard, but you have to get used to what they're requiring of u and then its simply fun.

I'll go edit my post with spoiler tags, sorry bout that. Tried to keep it as clean as possible =P

The replay you get out of a single player game is in the story and the action. The puzzles you usually remember halfway. I can beat JK1 on the hardest setting in under 8 hours, cause i played thru it so many times when I was offline.

The action in this game is great! It rivals wolfenstein and lots of other recent games. Combat happens differently each time and it's very dynamic. The AI is great and very engaging.

If you want randomized puzzles you should play freecell man. I think this game is much much more action/story oriented than what yer looking for.

I'll go edit my post with spoiler tags, sorry bout that. Tried to keep it as clean as possible =P

Lucky

loluz
03-28-2002, 04:09 AM
there isnt a single fps that came out in the last year (this one included also) that took more than 5 hours to beat on your SECOND time around (and id be willing to bet that half of them took less than that the first time).

btw, theres no replay in the story because the story simply blows.
its as empty as the grand canyon.

The Kessel Run
03-28-2002, 04:11 AM
Maybe the game needs a patch for the Random Puzzle Generator as SOF 2 will have the Random Mission Generator. Then everytime you load a quicksave the puzzle changes on you and the game really takes 35 hours to complete.

All I hear anymore from you Loluz is "blah blah blah blah blah blah blah, *breath* blah blah blah blah blah blah............blah."

:band: :band: :band: :band: :band: :band: :band: :band:

---cancel that, I agree on the short SP issue.

bunnymud
03-28-2002, 04:12 AM
quote:
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Originally posted by loluz
A friend of mine beat it in 2 days. He played it ALOT, but he still beat it in 3 days.
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So which is it? Did he beat it in 2 days then hopped into his warez using time machine and go back and beat again in 3 days?




You still haven't answered that one price gun boy

SPY_jmr1
03-28-2002, 04:12 AM
for: lucky

if you repeat your self you might go nuts.

if you repeat your self you might go nuts.

;) :D :D :D sorry about yelling about the tags before, but i dont have the game yet.........

loluz
03-28-2002, 04:13 AM
lol
ATTACK ME FOR A TYPO
OH JESUS GODCHRIST THAT HURTS

i guess ill have to sick jedi christ and darth jesus on your ass homofag.

and it was 2 days.

Rogue_Ace
03-28-2002, 04:15 AM
Mods, why is this piece of sh!t still here. Loluz stop b!tching about the game. IF YOU DONT LIKE IT DONT PLAY THE GAME.


I can't beleive this thread is still here... if you guys want to shut this guy up stop posting here.

And i cant beleive the trash that has joined the forums the last few days... its sick:( .

SPY_jmr1
03-28-2002, 04:18 AM
I saw no attack(sp?) but i did see a question, witch DID repeat DID NOT deserve a responce of that calaper(sp?).......

ever heard of the phrase"guns dont kill peaple, stupid peaple with guns kill peaple"? i got one for you"mods dont ban peaple, stupid *******s who dont know when to shut the hell up couse mods to ban peaple":rolleyes:

The Kessel Run
03-28-2002, 04:19 AM
I guess ill have to sick jedi christ and darth jesus on your ass homofag.


NO! 12-YEAR-OLD VOCAB. ATTACK!

You've been able to argue decently up until this point don't start to degrade now; you might be banned and then time will draw on like a serated blade.

no vulgarities, useless arguments allowed only.

bunnymud
03-28-2002, 04:19 AM
------End of Line-----


oh wait.....wrong movie

loluz
03-28-2002, 04:19 AM
thanks for your input rogue_ace
apparently these forums are only for raven groupies
anybody who is badmouthing a game on these forums is to be immediately removed, his thread deleted, and his account banned!

LETS NOT STRAY OFF TOPIC
i really do love this game, i just think that raven could have put a little more effort into informing us such as the fact that you also have look in secret areas for ways out of a level

SaberPro
03-28-2002, 04:21 AM
loluz could you stop putting insults in the subject field? "JK2 is ass" or "Raven is screwing us." WTF?

GRIMLOCK
03-28-2002, 04:21 AM
I've been in FPS games since good ol Wolf 3D (and that was before i even had a comp.. had to leech at a friends house) and as far back as then, even before then in those older games for Apple 2E and Atari there has always been mind numbing puzzles meant to extend play time
i spent HOURS literally HOURS searching for a key in Wolf3D just to find i've already cleared the level, but wait.. WHOA whered that door come from?!
this rant is rather lame
I'm new to Raven's work in truth, but i got hooked with Heretic 2 and EF really topped it off
if this game was another Lucas arts made P.O.S i would never have ordered it, but i trust raven to have some nice gameplay mixed with the best blasted gfx out there to date, if not more.
only puzzles i hate are Jumping puzzles :p
no matter the case, welcome to the wondergul world of FPS games, just remember to stay away from anything except Unreal Tournament, Quake 3, and Tribes
there the only FPS's i know that don't have puzzles in them, but then agian, they don't have single player either.. well not true single player.

General Theros
03-28-2002, 04:24 AM
Whatever the case about the puzzles, the point is that Loluz doesn't like the single player aspect. That is fine. Loluz, I'm glad that you have taken time to critique the game's sp. You are truly entitle to your own opinion. What I don't appreciate is your direct attack on the character of Raven software, and your use of profanity. Sir, if ask that you would calm down and refrain from the profanity. Don't take offense to this, but the more coarse language you use, the more silly you sound. This goes to everyone. Please stop profaining. This arguement can be just as effective, if not more so, without the cursing. Thanks!

General Theros

loluz
03-28-2002, 04:24 AM
argh
YOUR STILL MISSING MY POINT
my point is that raven inputted some of these extremely lame "puzzlez" as you call them only to make the game seem longer than it really was, hence fool you into thinking that this gamea owned when it was really short and had a weak story. The gameplay is fine tho :)

The Kessel Run
03-28-2002, 04:24 AM
TURNS OUT THIS "GODSEND" THAT YOU FORUM GOERS REFER TO THIS GAME AS IS JUST A BIG LIE. Without these "puzzles" as some of you call them, this game is nothing but a point, shoot, and look for switch fps that would take you well under a day to beat. Not very fun if you ask me. I read somewhere that this game would have around 35 hours of gameplay? pfft. More like 1/4th that. Thanks for screwing me raven, i really appreciate it.


You know, if I had spent 80-100 hours a week putting together a game that I know the public has high expectations of, when I probably wasn't given enough time in the first place to reasonably put together a perfect game, I would be just a teeny bit insulted but your post. Your post seemed pretty damn hostile to everyone here loluz, if you would just put the reply you just voiced back in your original statement on Page 1 I feel it would help out a lot.

ChangKhan[RAVEN]
03-28-2002, 04:25 AM
Originally posted by Lucky
I've only got one question left for Raven. Why in the hell is kyle's lightsaber blue? I'm halfway thru the game and i still don't know. Did i skip a cut screne or somthin chang?


The story is that sometime after Mysteries of the Sith (the add-on/sequel to JK1) and before he abandoned the force, Kyle made is own lightsaber. This is one of the essential steps to becoming a true Jedi, the construction of your own lightsaber. At the end of JK1 (and in MotS - though the saber changed color to orange), he was still using Yun's yellow/orange saber (remember he lost his green one), and it still had a taint of evil, so he built his own when he became skilled enough. This is the saber he gave to Luke when he gave up on the force prior to JK2. We didn't get into all that background in JK2 because it would have taken a while to explain, but there you go.

BTW, thank you for your very well-reasoned, thorough and vivid post, I'm glad you enjoyed some of the puzzles we made.

SPY_jmr1
03-28-2002, 04:26 AM
LETS NOT STRAY OFF TOPIC

this fourm is DYNAMIC get over it. topics will change.

oh btw this is my last post on this peace of drek, go and fester for all i care ok?

ps: if you like the game as you just said, why ***** about it? why not play it? oh wait i know maybe is cos you payed no money for it....... warez or ripoff from store same thing, does not matter........

go forth and be flamed troll i will watch from the sidelines now*waves byebye*

loluz
03-28-2002, 04:28 AM
thanks for your input General Theros
We should all go back to watching PG rated movies and taking up southern baptist beliefs!

thanks for your input also kessel. But where do you get this 80-100 hours a week figure from? I kinda doubt they spent 14 hours a day working on this game.

and i say stay on topic because my last thread was deleted because it strayed off topic

btw, nice to see u again changekhan, id like to hear your input on my post.

Dar
03-28-2002, 04:29 AM
Originally posted by SPY_jmr1
edit: welcome dar! hear*forks over lightsaber(re) candy bar gift TM*

try not to let the morons get to you.......

enjoy your stay!

Thanks, now one question though.

If it's suppose to be candy *zing* umm why does it work??

Lucky
03-28-2002, 04:30 AM
Thanks chang, I hope I catch you playin in the next week or so, its my spring break and I plan to play the game *solid*.

BTW, this might be off topic, but who were yer lvl designers for the game? I could go look and I prolly will if you don't answer, but ill ask anyhow.

The work they put in is phenomenal let em know I said so for me =P


Lucky

loluz
03-28-2002, 04:31 AM
yeah, the level design was nice...it seemed that a few of the dm levels used a few q3 textures though..i may be wrong, it might just be the q3 engine that im seeing..but i think i did see a few.

Methodmansi
03-28-2002, 04:32 AM
Loluz.. I thought nobody else would notice this.. it's a travesty of a game I tell u... running around like lunatics to find the goddamn hidden platform that takes u somewhere else only to get stuck once again... what garbage.... I have to agree with u and say the single player aspect of the game really sucks... however, multiplayer.. that's just amazing... so.. I guess that makes up for it.. but how the hell no one else can notice this.. just baffles me... Single player = frustrating as hell!!!

SPY_jmr1
03-28-2002, 04:32 AM
boy you are new arnt you?;) ;) ;) what kind of candy did you want, can change for just about anything....:D

The Kessel Run
03-28-2002, 04:32 AM
If you think that you're cool because you stole from me and my friends, who spent a year of 80-to-100 hour weeks to make this game, think again.

Vertigon posted this in the 'no cd key? omg?!?' thread.

ChangKhan[RAVEN]
03-28-2002, 04:32 AM
Originally posted by loluz
raven inputted some of these extremely lame "puzzlez" as you call them only to make the game seem longer than it really was

Really. I don't recall seeing you in the design meetings. You really shouldn't be so obsessively defensive about an allegation that you could never have any insight into, it just makes you look bad, really.

And, everyone else, continuing to post in this thread is just keeping it at the top of the page for others to see and give this kid the attention he's trying to get with his insults and will only encourage him to keep it up, so I recommend just dropping it.

General Theros
03-28-2002, 04:34 AM
Thanks for yours Loluz! Truly though, I must say that I don't appreciate the fact that I'm being friendly and respectful and you are turning around and being sarcastic. That is the mark of someone with bad character. By the way, what is wrong with PG movies and Southern Baptist beliefs? Also, why is it that you can't be more friendly and less confrontational? Really, I'm asking you this seriously. The excuse that the people posting started it doesn't work because you started with the hostile phrases and words. Not just that, but the "He started it" excuse does sound slightly immature doesn't it? Please sir, all I ask is that you, along with most of the others on this post, chill a bit! :) Thanks!

General Theros

ChangKhan[RAVEN]
03-28-2002, 04:34 AM
Originally posted by Lucky
BTW, this might be off topic, but who were yer lvl designers for the game? I could go look and I prolly will if you don't answer, but ill ask anyhow.

Start a new thread and I'll answer in there, too much unrelated garbage in this one to be of use to anyone.

SPY_jmr1
03-28-2002, 04:35 AM
And, everyone else, continuing to post in this thread is just keeping it at the top of the page for others to see and give this kid the attention he's trying to get with his insults and will only encourage him to keep it up, so I recommend just dropping it.

yessir mine god:D

loluz
03-28-2002, 04:35 AM
thanks for your input changekhan, i did expect you to defend your game as much as you possibly could, but bare in mind that these are my opinions, i did not state them as being facts. If i did, your post would be absolutely 100% correct, but its not.
btw, thanks for insulting me, i really appreciate it. It's not every day you see someone attacking someone else for insulting people, and then going and insulting them themselves :)

GRIMLOCK
03-28-2002, 04:36 AM
hmm kewl info on the Saber Chang
one other thing that could've been put into play is the fact Kyle went to the Dark side for a bit at the end of MoTS if i recall. :)
but thats my two bits

The Kessel Run
03-28-2002, 04:37 AM
Everyone is just letting my posts go in one ear and out the other, but that is the intention as I'm just trying to pass the time until 9 A.M. :)

JSM
03-28-2002, 04:37 AM
I didn't pay $50 for this game



I payed $70 to LEC just so i'd get it early


I would have payed $100


Am i an idiot? Maybe


Did i get screwed? Hell no

loluz
03-28-2002, 04:37 AM
JSM: have you played it yet?

btw, if you all want to play a REAL game with REAL puzzles, try morrowind: the elder scrolls 3
its coming out pretty soon, look foreward to it being one of the best rpg's EVER.

Dar
03-28-2002, 04:38 AM
Originally posted by loluz
thanks for your input rogue_ace
apparently these forums are only for raven groupies
anybody who is badmouthing a game on these forums is to be immediately removed, his thread deleted, and his account banned!

LETS NOT STRAY OFF TOPIC
i really do love this game, i just think that raven could have put a little more effort into informing us such as the fact that you also have look in secret areas for ways out of a level

Ok sorry guys/gals but as the newbie to these boards, I guess it's my turn on the front lines.

You are mistaken, they do not attack people whom have negative comments or critique JK2. No you are missing the point so I guess I will have to clarify it for you: :swear:

We are focusing our efforts on YOU!

Duh!

Normally, from what I can tell, those who have gripes with JK2 are still treated with respect but you are an exception.

Why? Well see you made it a point to proudly proclaim that you got your copy from warez sites and proceeded to insult the designers and members of this forum. Then you have the gall to want tech support and game help with your pirated copy!

And you wonder why there's all the hostility towards you! :eyeraise:

loluz
03-28-2002, 04:42 AM
Why? Well see you made it a point to proudly proclaim that you got your copy from warez sites and proceeded to insult the designers and members of this forum. Then you have the gall to want tech support and game help with your pirated copy!

haha
where did u read this?
im laughing so hard man
im so confused as to where you found this information.
i work at software etc and i picked up my copy a bit early
i did have a warez copy sure, but i never admitted that until NOW, but i have a legit copy now that i did PAY FOR, so stfu.

Ham Yoyo
03-28-2002, 04:43 AM
If you gave loluz a million dollars he would complain that the bills are wrinkled. :)

loluz
03-28-2002, 04:44 AM
oh btw
im just a forum troll looking for attention
i really love this game
i have no problem with its puzzles
im just having fun baiting you guys, i hope you're all having fun along with me!

i live under a bridge too
/me makes troll noises

JSM
03-28-2002, 04:46 AM
yes, of course i have played it. i received the game on tuesday morning around 10 am. the only reason i didn't post it here is because no one would believe me.

and if you really do love this game you will buy it.

edit: sorry, didn't see your previous post

The Kessel Run
03-28-2002, 04:48 AM
Well thanks for helping us all pass the time, and thanks to you I'm looking forward to the game even more now that I know its FLAWLESS. You're one of those beneficial trolls, troll on the next gaming server I'm at before everyone else gets the game and then say the game rocks.

loluz
03-28-2002, 04:49 AM
how about i troll my **** into your mom's mouth

The Kessel Run
03-28-2002, 04:52 AM
BE BANNED FOOL!

you sick-minded little bastard. I changed my mind, you are banished.

loluz
03-28-2002, 04:52 AM
heh, ban me and then what? I reg a new account
oh please
it was a joke
laugh a bit, quit being such a tight ass

JSM
03-28-2002, 04:55 AM
yes, very funny

it wouldn't have been so bad if you hadn't insulted Raven.
you should probably apologise if you are capable.

The Kessel Run
03-28-2002, 04:56 AM
LOL I must REALLY suck at the sarcasm thing. I'll just cease the act entirely....lol jeez..........yes I understand it is all a joke.......all of my posts have been cracker-crap bs to fill the post-less void.

I might have felt a hint of primitive anger for .1 milliseconds when I saw the previous post, but then my higher cognitive functions took over and I'm laughing away at this entire thread.

Star Shortstop.

loluz
03-28-2002, 04:56 AM
lol
dude i had no idea you were being sarcastic

General Theros
03-28-2002, 04:57 AM
Yep, after the last comment from Loluz, I have definetly decided that the mods need to close this thread. No one post anymore on this thread. It's really silly, disgusting, and childish. Loluz, I don't mean this in an offensive way, but I'll be praying for you. Honestly, I pray that whatever anger issues that you have in your life or whatever your real life are worked out because they are tearing you down sir. It isn't healthy to get so angry and bitter. Truly. Are they problems at home that you have to escape from? Abuse? Do you feel inadequate to your parents? All of these things can build up all this anger that you are displaying. Take a look at yourself and your life, Loluz. Are you really happy? It doesn't sound like it. Why don't you go and search out why. Or....you can ask me sometime why you aren't happy. I know the answer.

General Theros

P.S. actually, since this post isn't following the comment made by Loluz that I'm referring to, I'll just let you guys figure it out. It was the really disgusting one up there a few posts up about someone's mother.

loluz
03-28-2002, 04:59 AM
why am i not happy
whats the answer

I KNOW WHY IM NOT HAPPY, BUT YOU DO NOT, so dont tell me that you know.

I'm sorry that im so disgusting and childish, but the way you speak is the way everyone would have been speaking if the nazi's had won the war. Please do pray for me in your southern baptist ways! I'd love for your artifical god to have a place for me in his heart!

actually
im just having fun baiting people on this forum
so hard to understand?

General Theros
03-28-2002, 05:08 AM
No, actually it isn't hard to understand why you are having fun baiting people! And of couse, I do know why you aren't happy. But I'll let you keep thinking I don't. Artificial God? Nope.

"For we did not follow cleverly devised tales when we made known to you the power and coming of our Lord Jesus Christ, but we were eyewitnesses of His majesty." 2nd Peter 1:16

Sorry, I don't speak like a Nazi. I speak like someone who is educated. As a matter of fact, I just went to the Holocaust Museum in D.C. about 2 weeks ago. It was deeply moving and I truly believe it is something that everyone should go and see at least once in their life.

General Theros

HBK
03-28-2002, 05:16 AM
Originally posted by loluz
but the way you speak is the way everyone would have been speaking if the nazi's had won the war. Please do pray for me in your southern baptist ways! I'd love for your artifical god to have a place for me in his heart!

Joking or not, your previous comment was way out of line. If you feel someone is 'attacking' you, be a bigger person and don't sink to their level. And frankley, you inadvertently call the good General a nazi and insult every person who worships God. These kind of jokes are NOT humerous. Please change your ways, your behavior is inappropriate and unwelcome around here.


HBK

loluze
03-28-2002, 05:18 AM
my last account got banned, what a surprise

General Theros,
whats that? your god isnt artificial? i beg to differ, WHERE WAS YOUR GOD WHEN ALL THOSE JEWS WERE DYING, WHERE WAS HE THEN MY FRIEND.
go back to watching your PG rated movies and attending church 5 times a week choir boy, because nobody here wants to hear you quote scripture you goddamn sheep.
go run along with the rest of your sex offending priests, bishops, and cardinals you southern baptist inbred white trash F-UCK

btw, im jewish.

The Kessel Run
03-28-2002, 05:19 AM
I, Kessel, am truly impressed with the General's manner and conduct.

And on that note,

G O O D N I G H T

SaberPro
03-28-2002, 05:23 AM
Does this really have to go on? This arguments/discussion/whatever-you-want-to-call-it is a mess.

Dude loluz if you don't have anything important to say, go away. Seriously.

heh, ban me and then what? I reg a new account

Hack your computer. Does that work? You sound like a forum stalker/flamer. Why do you even bother to post on the forum? No one really care how "Raven is screwing you" because many others, except you, don't feel "screwed" at all.

One last thing. Stop spamming. 33 posts a day = spam especially when you got nothing good to say. if you purely want a higher rank, go ask the mods :D

Denise
03-28-2002, 05:33 AM
The reason everyone jumps on him is because he's aggressive, combative, and just plain rude. We'd welcome a negative viewpoint (as I'm sure Raven would as well --constructive critiscism is always great for software development), but he's a troll. He admits that he is a troll, has in fact done so twice now. He'll be dealt with as such.