View Full Version : So, is JO good?

03-31-2002, 01:04 PM
Jedi Outcast is on the hottest sellers list. Unfotunately, I cannot play it with my current system, so I play Jedi Knight instead of Jedi Knight 2. Is it any good? I am probably going to get it in the fall sometime, after I finally start working, and start making money :D

03-31-2002, 05:31 PM
Seems like it.

03-31-2002, 05:52 PM
Think of the most awesome thing ever, then multiply that awesome thing by 1000... You still wouldn't be close to the awesomeness of JO

03-31-2002, 07:12 PM
All i got when i imagined what it was like: Rogue Leader for pc....

:( As soon as Rogue Leader is announced for PC i will upgrade my computer or buy a new one.

Tie Guy
03-31-2002, 08:47 PM
You could say that it good, but that would be a HUGE understatement.

This game is incredible. I have it running on low to medium settings and it is still awesome and good looking. This is the best game of the year, period.

03-31-2002, 08:49 PM
Mine doesnt even work yet!!:swear:


Boba Rhett
04-01-2002, 03:08 AM
Besd Gaem Evore!!1 :eek:

04-01-2002, 11:43 AM
Hey Guys,

I need help for this game. I can't play Multiplayer.

I think its because I have a router (automatic firewall)

how can i disable the firewall? I've tried setting myself as DMZ host and disable DHCP and even putting in the port. (well. I'm not sure which one it is but I tried both of these: 28070 & 27080)

Can someone help? It's a linksys router.

Supreme Warlord
04-01-2002, 11:59 AM
Hey Boba Fett I think you need English class again;)

Anybody want to give us details or anything! COME ON DETAILS!!!

04-01-2002, 12:01 PM
Well its a First Person Shooter (Can also be Third Person if you want) And its Star Wars... It has Lightsaber stuff and Force Powers.... Thats all I need to describe

04-02-2002, 03:03 AM
I've heard of some pretty blatant bugs in the game, but have yet to purchase it myself. Here's a quick review from the guys at Penny Arcade (http://www.penny-arcade.com):
Before any of you get on my case let me state for the record that I really like Jedi Knight II. In fact I am in love with the single player game. However I think the multiplayer is not only a disappointment but an absolute waste of the license. Raven had the entire Star Wars universe to play with and we get Quake multiplayer with force powers. Seeing a stormtooper and Lando Calrissian battle it out with lightsabers makes the star wars fan inside me cry like Luke Skywaker after Darth Vader cut off his arm and revealed his dark secret during the climactic battle at the cloud city of Bespin. This is not what a multiplayer Star Wars action game should be. It doesnít take an astromech droid to figure out that what is needed here is mission based multiplayer matches along the lines of RTCW or Medal of Honor. Just take a second and imagine the wealth of possibilities. One of the multiplayer levels could drop you into the battle of Hoth. You would have rebels on one side imperials on the other. If you joined the rebellion you would play as a rebel trooper. Your objectives would be to defend echo base and protect the escaping transports. If you joined the empire you would play as a snow trooper in the Imperial death squadron. Your objectives would be to infiltrate Echo base and destroy the transports. There would be no Gamorreans running around using force jump. You would either be a rebel soldier or a snow trooper and you would have the appropriate weapons and abilities. You donít even have to stick to battles from the movies if you donít want to. How about a mission in which the rebels have to destroy a new advanced tie fighter that is located at some imperial testing facility. The mission objectives are endless. You should also limit the number of Jedi on each side. The way the current multiplayer is setup youíd think you could buy lightsabers in bulk at Costco along with thirty rolls of paper towels and a cinnamon churro. Everyone and their tauntaun has one! The jedi are special and that should be carried through into the game. Imagine playing on a team of rebel troopers, youíre pinned down by stormtroopers in some imperial facility. Then your teamís Jedi moves out deflecting blaster fire and cutting you a patch to your objective. They are the heroes of the goddamned republic! There was absolutely no care taken to fit the multiplayer in Jedi knight II into the Star Wars universe. It was tacked on and in my opinion does more harm than good. What we need is for mod makers to step up to the plate and deliver the kind of mission based multiplayer experience that Raven either couldnít, or wasnít willing to do.

I know there are plenty of people out there who are having a great time with the multiplayer and I think thatís great. Safety Monkey seems to think itís the best thing since those Marky Mark underwear ads that he loves so much. And honestly I can appreciate the fact that you can have a good time playing it. My point though, is that itís a kick in the balls to hard core Star Wars fans and a slap in the face to anyone who is used to the compelling multiplayer modes of other current games.

My plan for today is to play a ****-ton of Jedi Knight and take breaks every so often to read bits of the latest New Jedi Order book. Wish me luck.

-Gabe out

Apparantly the multiplayer is nothing hot. Be sure to check out the comic (http://www.penny-arcade.com/view2002-03-29.html) that goes along with the post; it's hilarious :D.

Boba Rhett
04-02-2002, 01:27 PM
Oh my gosh..... Gabe's right! :o

*runs off to tell Sherack about the new project we need to do* :D

Supreme Warlord
04-02-2002, 01:36 PM
LOL! That comic was funny! bugs in the game?! man...

Sherack Nhar
04-02-2002, 03:28 PM
No Rhett, we stick with the project we started yesterday!

I don't agree with Gabe. He's taking it too seriously...after all, it was the same in JK: Stormtroopers with lightsabers!

Havoc Stryphe
04-02-2002, 03:59 PM
Yeah, JK might have been the same way, but look what has happened since Jedi Knight. Half-life: Counterstrike, Delta Force, Rogue Spear, Ghost Recon, Return To castle Wolfenstein. Jedi Knight was patterned after Doom, Duke nukem etc. multiplay, where everybody had the same capabilities and availiable weapons. But now the multiplayer game world is all about team play, or individual characteristics.

Imagine Star Wars like this: You can be a snowtrooper, I'll be a medic and Somebody else can be a repeater trooper, and one person is a Jedi Knight. Work as a team and experience a little more immersion. Yeah, you can change "skins" to look different, and personalize the list of force powers you use, but I think it would have been so much better if you could select between different types of soldiers:

Hvy Weapons specialist (Rebellion, Empire)
Medic (Rebellion, Empire)
Repeater Trooper (Rebellion, Empire)
Bounty Hunter
Jedi Knight
Sith Knight
Snow Trooper
Scout (Rebellion, Empire)

Each having special weapons that only that class can use and/or special bonuses for playing a specific type of soldier. Or even different starting equipment etc... I know it sounds like an RPG, but it wouldn't be like that, those who have played counterstrike know what I mean. It's still a FPS, just with more team work and tactics, and a much more personalized feeling you get with your multiplayer character.

I know it kicks butt now, but imagine what the possibilities were...

Supreme Warlord
04-02-2002, 06:23 PM
I wonder if we can make levels for it and have build hacks for it. You know? like in the old days...Ahhhhh the old days were great...Bunch of hackers going around and killing us....No wait that is not the good ole days...That was the darkest time of the Zone(reminds you of a scene?:D )

ANyway I wonder if we can make levels and things like that like we did for the Jedi Knight II: Dark Force? Anybody here a level designer or hack writer?

04-02-2002, 08:46 PM
I think you mean Dark Forces II: Jedi Knight? :p

As for mod making... oh yeah, let me whip out my General-Purpose-Level-Maker-For-Every-Game-In-Existence program ;). Give it a little time, eventually programmers will crack the engine code and release map/mod-making tools for the game.

Boba Rhett
04-02-2002, 10:13 PM
o_O Raven's editors will be out this week.

04-03-2002, 08:33 AM
www.massassi.net already has stuff.

General Nilaar
04-03-2002, 09:24 AM
I don't have the game so can't really comment. But....

Nothing I have read about it seems all that innovative to me. If I was going to buy a FPS I'd most likely be getting C&C: Renegade. Now THAT looks like fun, not just more of the same.

Raven doesn't have any interest in the Star Wars license long-term and so didn't have any incentive to put any major effort into the game. It should have been so much more....

Still I'm sure it's fun in single-player, and 3-D fun in the Star Wars universe can't be a bad thing. And if the mod community is anything like it was for Jedi Knight then I'm sure they'll be some fun stuff online too.

Is it enough? Up to you:)

:atat: Join Imperial Vengeance!

Supreme Warlord
04-03-2002, 11:37 AM
Hey I just brought the game yesterday. MAN!!! IT IS A AWESOME GAME...Man I was crying that I did not get my saber...I was so sad...I wanted to use the darned saber!!!! I am really itching to use force powers...

Amazing Massassi Temple already has stuff on it. Darn they are fast... :)

Boba Rhett
04-03-2002, 01:23 PM
Originally posted by General Nilaar
I don't have the game so can't really comment. But....

Raven doesn't have any interest in the Star Wars license long-term and so didn't have any incentive to put any major effort into the game. It should have been so much more....

The hell? :confused: You haven't played it.... but you say it could have been much much better. o_O Raven worked their ass off making this game and I will not stand here and let you belittle it with... "facts" that you apparently have just pulled off the top of your head. :rhett:

Supreme Warlord
04-03-2002, 01:26 PM
I agree with boba fett. To work with a Mega company like lucasart is an honor especially for Raven. Trust me they work their butts off.

04-03-2002, 05:05 PM
Like every one else has said this game is awsome! It is this game that has been keeping me away from thease forums. That is probley the only thing i dislike about it!

Its the best star wars game period.


04-03-2002, 10:05 PM
Originally posted by Supreme Warlord
I agree with boba fett. To work with a Mega company like lucasart is an honor especially for Raven. Trust me they work their butts off.

BTW, it's Boba Rhett...

I personally LIKE the MP!!! Stormies with lightsabers just look so freacking cool. I admit they could have come up with more modes of play, but they DID have to make a fabulous SP game along with MP so they let the modders come up with the revolutionary Game Mods (if anymore still exist)

This game is as cool as your going to find on the market right now, plus the modding community is already turning out mods, just wait till they are in full swing. The net will be full of mods taking advantage of the lightsaber to it's fullest. I can't wait.

JKII is deffinatly worth a buy. If you havn't been thinking about buying this game then I pitty you. This is game of the year quality and it's a nuke in a mod maker's hands.

Lord JayVizIon
04-03-2002, 11:31 PM
personally, JO and agent under fire (for the gamecube) are my two favorite FPS games rite now.

JO is just splendid! rite in the opening mission, you can already see the graphical advantage this game has over the first jk. i don't know, i'm biased towards star wars but i already think this game is better than counterstrike...btw i purchased the special edition and that lightsaber glowing is sooooooooo cool...

04-03-2002, 11:34 PM


Lord JayVizIon
04-03-2002, 11:38 PM
actually i was pounded by a few rancors in the last MP game i played but what's it matter...

anyhow, nice to see you too fergie. JO is an awesome game and i give credit to kvan for making me keep my version instead of returning it to the store...

04-03-2002, 11:41 PM
Cool your still alive :D i remember seeing you with 985 posts in novemver i think ;)

im really considering buying JKII, sounds really cool, but im dry right now

Lord JayVizIon
04-03-2002, 11:56 PM
you should get the game. it is outstanding...

btw we're neighbors kode. you're in palo alto, i'm in san francisco...

04-04-2002, 01:39 AM
I have installed JO, but it says I don't have any 3D hardware on my system. I have a Nvidia GeForce2 GTS/GeForce2 Pro video card which should be supported by the game. I have installed the driver for it, but it still won't run. Does anybody know what the problem could be?

BTW, the OS is Windows 98SE, and everything else seems to work.

Thanks in advance.

Lord JayVizIon
04-04-2002, 03:04 AM
have you tried playing another game that requires a 3D accelerator and having it work? if so, let us know...

General Nilaar
04-04-2002, 06:52 AM
Well I was kinda hoping a statement like that might get a few fans of the game to defend it and prove WHY it was so awesome;)

Now I'm sure the single-player game is really cool, it is something the Dark Forces/Jedi Knight games have always done well. And yes it will have a huge mod community. But to be honest, I always thought the original Jedi Knight was boring in Multi-Player, even with the mods. I was hoping they did something really different but to me it just sounds like they improved the graphics and left it to the mod makers. I'd be glad to know I was wrong, but nothing I've read so far has made me think that (yes, there's your opening to defend the game).

I just think the FPS genre is moving on from the type of game that Jedi Outcast is, and that Raven is saving their really innovative ideas for whatever their next non-licensed project is.

Let's be honest, in recent times it's more like it's an honor for LucasArts to work with Raven than the other way around. If people had any confidence in LA's ability to put out a decent game they wouldn't need to license the AOK engine for GB and they wouldn't have to hire Raven to make JO.

JO still looks like a game worth buying to me, just that I was kinda hoping for a lot more. Still there's Galaxies to look forward to, licensed or not it seems a lot of effort is being put into that game to make sure it's a stand out in it's genre.

Heck, I bought Obi-Wan for Xbox and enjoyed that, so I'm certain I'd enjoy JO;)

Supreme Warlord
04-04-2002, 12:51 PM
JO is awesome. I went to play MP I love it!! I got my butt kicked though but it was freaking cool. Like Darthfergie said the saber is just downright awesome. I was not happy one time that I lost my lightsaber. I was mad...Then I started sneaking around with a big gun in my hand that I have no idea what it does. I manage to kill a few then a butthead snuck on me and slash me to death. :D

It is a great game. It is a thrill to see another Jedi game created!!! BUY IT PEOPLE!! I want to beat your butt in this game lol!

oooh one more story. I was playing with my force power online and I press "F" to use a power and someone was in my sight and all of sudden he was jumping up and down I was like what the heck...I realize that I was force griping him. He died and I was like awesome. Then he came and killed me...It turn out that he was on my team...whoops hehehe:D

04-05-2002, 01:23 AM
I tried Force Commander wich requires a 3D accelerator and used to work on my computer, but now it gives me the same error message as Jo. So I am going to call the Dell support to ask them about it.

Thanks again.

04-05-2002, 11:02 AM
It has a really engaging storyline in SP... Thats a plus.

Line of the game: "Never trust a bartender with bad grammar" :D

Supreme Warlord
04-05-2002, 11:59 AM
LOL! How do yall beat the second mission of JO? I am trying to cripple the mining operations...I cant figure out how to do it. I already got into that stormtrooper trap. DARN STORMTROOPER! it was fun though hehehe:D a fight for your life :D

04-08-2002, 04:41 PM
DUDE the game is a major find

nothing like cutting stormtroopers in half

and force griping them till thay DIE!!!!!!!!!


Gaming Nut
04-08-2002, 05:57 PM
It rules I couldn't for the life of me figure how to get out of the second half of the frist frist level ;( me feels stupid.

So if fired up multie player and statred kicking butt their I raraly come out a game with less then 15 kills and may games I win.

As to a post about how it would have been cool to have class god their are to dam many games like that for my tastes. It's like if a game has no class it can't be good in MP. first of all classes are for TEAM games jedi outcast is played alot in FFA mode classes would be usless. And second theirs already a curde class systems theirs a sniper rifle and with force jump you can get in some nice spots. Theirs team heal/energize medic. Their are bunch of bombs demo guy. And theirs plenty of full auto weapons grunt. You can still do what you like just no ridged system. Also given a chocie how many guys would be a snowtrooper over a jedi :)

Tie Guy
04-08-2002, 08:15 PM
Originally posted by captain_drake
DUDE the game is a major find

nothing like cutting stormtroopers in half

and force griping them till thay DIE!!!!!!!!!

The best is level 3 gripping people and then flinging them across the room into a wall or off a cliff. Its also fun to grip them and then throw them high in the air by quickly moving the mouse down and then they die from the fall. :D

Boba Rhett
04-08-2002, 10:11 PM
Pushing someone off a cliff ownz gripping. ;) j/k

Supreme Warlord
04-10-2002, 11:53 AM
I wonder how the Mind Trick works...Does it work like Force Persuassion in Dark Force 2?

04-10-2002, 04:29 PM
it distracts them
and at leavl three it makes them join your side for a little while

Supreme Warlord
04-11-2002, 11:55 AM
How does it work in Multi player?

Darth Homer
04-11-2002, 12:54 PM
in MP, it's pretty much Force Invisibility. It only affects the targeted player, though....I don't use it in MP...I go with speed & quick slashes. :D

Supreme Warlord
04-11-2002, 01:09 PM
Well in that case how do you target your self?

04-12-2002, 12:56 AM
Beat the game...:)

Desann is easier than I thought he would be. Just time your moves right and he's dead in a split second. I'll admit some of the hardest levels in the game come EARLY on. No force powers and you are forced to do some serious jumping...GAH. I HAD to use the guide on some of the earlier levels. The latter levels mostly explained themselves though. Although one or two had a stupidly hard puzzle. (grate is hidden under bunch o' boxes and you have to destroy the boxes to find te frigging grate instead of force push/pull) (beaten on Jedi Knight difficulty)

Supreme Warlord
04-12-2002, 11:59 AM

*Fanfare breaks out. the entire room is change to a disco like room. Out of one door dancers cames out. the other door batenders with food came out.*

Warlord: LET DANCE!!!!Congrat darthfergie *shakes his hand*

*start dancing with the other girls.*

:D :D :D :D :D