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Master Spiff
04-08-2002, 01:28 PM
I was worried I would have to replay the level going in to fight Tavion because I had no shields, full health, but ZERO green. I decided to give it a shot anyway. It took me about 10 - 15 tries, but I got her.

Did anybody else find her tough to beat?

thrEEpaGe
04-08-2002, 01:30 PM
wow....we all bow to your amazing skills....

they are all easy...

ps2maddenman
04-08-2002, 01:32 PM
I have found that using force speed in the single player in lightsaber fights makes the fights extremely easy.

KevanBates
04-08-2002, 02:13 PM
Tavion is NOT easy! Even on jedi difficulty, using force speed, and full shield, fullhealth, it took me over 25 times to beat her! I don't know why, maybe its my style, or my stance, but she is NOT easy!:eek:

Master Spiff
04-08-2002, 02:17 PM
My main strategy was to push her off the edge because I didn't think I could trade blows with her. But she blocked almost every push. I ended up pinning her against the edge and giving her a couple of overhead slashes. It took a while, but I have to say I didn't mind fighting her. SHWING!

manickat
04-08-2002, 02:34 PM
I don't think you can push her off the edge. I've been using the setforce cheats to up my mind trick level so I can possess the NPCs, and I noticed when you're Tavion, there's an invisible barrier along the edge of the platform that you can't cross. I think it's to keep the battle from ending too quickly, plus the finishing cutscene wouldn't make sense ...

DannyDiplo
04-08-2002, 02:39 PM
Originally posted by thrEEpaGe
wow....we all bow to your amazing skills....

they are all easy...

You don't have to try very hard to come across as a condescending prick, do you?

Master Spiff
04-08-2002, 02:45 PM
I was thinking the same thing Danny.

Manickat - That would make sense. If I pushed her off the edge, I couldn't very well choke the info out of her could I? At least push kept off gaurd a bit.

Amorpheus
04-08-2002, 02:46 PM
I beat her on the first try on Jedi... *shrug*

Synky
04-08-2002, 02:48 PM
ps2maddenman's right, force speed made all duels pretty much a joke. even just charging in there with it on and hacking and slashing aimlessly could and would win your saber fights

L'Equa Sinar
04-08-2002, 04:24 PM
Originally posted by Master Spiff
I ended up pinning her against the edge and giving her a couple of overhead slashes.

Well, someone sure knows how to show a girl a good time! ;)

thrEEpaGe
04-08-2002, 04:34 PM
Originally posted by DannyDiplo


You don't have to try very hard to come across as a condescending prick, do you?


well geez...he was practically bragging that he beat her without shields......who cares....this game isnt that difficult....im sorry that i pointed that out....

GalacticBulge
04-08-2002, 04:36 PM
For some reason, I didn't find Tavion all that difficult. I was on one of the middle difficulty levels (I think the third difficulty level), when I beat her the first time. It only took me 3 tries, but I just hacked and slashed her. I had MUCH more trouble with the first two shadowtroopers. What a pain in the ass they were, hehe.

Akhilles
04-08-2002, 04:41 PM
Originally posted by KevanBates
Tavion is NOT easy! Even on jedi difficulty, using force speed, and full shield, fullhealth, it took me over 25 times to beat her! I don't know why, maybe its my style, or my stance, but she is NOT easy!:eek:

Odd but the only one I found hard was the tool with the yellow suit of armor. I really hate boss levels.. put you in a tiny room, pitted against some tool that you just have to wear down, with no weakness you have to figure out :p

GalacticBulge
04-08-2002, 04:41 PM
Originally posted by manickat
I don't think you can push her off the edge. I've been using the setforce cheats to up my mind trick level so I can possess the NPCs, and I noticed when you're Tavion, there's an invisible barrier along the edge of the platform that you can't cross. I think it's to keep the battle from ending too quickly, plus the finishing cutscene wouldn't make sense ...
ROFL! I tried that too!

I was thinking.. I haven't tried this yet, but when I get home I'm gonna try to take control of Desann and make one of those pillars fall on him. Now THAT would be freakin' hilarious.

thrEEpaGe
04-08-2002, 04:42 PM
i didnt find any of the bosses difficult on master, but i guess im a condescending prick...

=)

speed and slash, all i got hurt in a jedi battle was when i accidentally got hit by a little of ol desann's lightning, but then i was off to heal...(heal is so damn cheap it makes everything in the game a breeze...)

but im a condescending prick because i didnt have difficulty in the game...heh...

GalacticBulge
04-08-2002, 04:47 PM
Originally posted by thrEEpaGe
i didnt find any of the bosses difficult on master, but i guess im a condescending prick...

=)

speed and slash, all i got hurt in a jedi battle was when i accidentally got hit by a little of ol desann's lightning, but then i was off to heal...(heal is so damn cheap it makes everything in the game a breeze...)

but im a condescending prick because i didnt have difficulty in the game...heh...
I don't mean to be a dick, but I SERIOUSLY doubt you never lost one battle or that the first time you got hurt was by Desann. Give me a break, bro. Do you honestly expect us to believe that?

RabidPlatypus
04-08-2002, 04:54 PM
um, unless you guys are playing on padawan, I know when I played through the whole game on jedi tavion (not reborns, shadowtroopers etc. ) would counter my force speed with her own force speed.

toolboi
04-08-2002, 05:12 PM
All the bosses was way easy until I got on jedi knight difficulty, then Tavion is quite hard (harder, for me at least, than Desan). She is faster, stronger, and has more force power. However there are some tricks.

1. The Bullfighter
Barring a lucky blow by her that kills me in one shot (seems to happen a LOT) wait for her to attack, side step and sweep. Works quite well.

2. The Cheap Ass ***** (only works in the actual level, not in the pit and you must cheat for max force powers)
Jump a lot, and when your in the air and she opens up (swinging or jumping) force pull to send her out of the level (it can be done).

3. Speed, lots of speed
Ya, slowing down time rocks. Just dodge behind, use your rolls and keep slashing.

I also find those black reborn as hard as Tavion, except for the fact that its so bloody easy to force grab them and smash them on some rocks. But thats cheap ;)

Master Spiff
04-08-2002, 05:25 PM
threepage

i don't believe i was bragging. i simply mentioned that i had to face her with no shields.

you were the one that started bragging.

Emon
04-08-2002, 05:37 PM
I beat Tavion without her laying a finger on me- What's your poing?

thrEEpaGe
04-08-2002, 06:08 PM
i have gotten hit quite a lot, but not by jedi .... the reborn and shadow troopers and desann and tavion were not at all difficult...it is not hard to dodge shots or avoid conflicts with them...you simply have to realise the weaknesses in how they react to certain situations and move on those weaknesses....

what i did was first i would always save before a boss...then i would run out and just stand there and move around...see how they moved in conjunction to my moves...then i would start to use force powers...by the time that i had their moves mapped out, i just went back to my save game and defeated them easily...

i got hit multiple times by say tavion desann and shadow troopers, but that was just to see how they fought...observing will get you farther than run and slash....

i have played more difficult games....

GalacticBulge
04-08-2002, 06:18 PM
Originally posted by thrEEpaGe
i have gotten hit quite a lot, but not by jedi .... the reborn and shadow troopers and desann and tavion were not at all difficult...it is not hard to dodge shots or avoid conflicts with them...you simply have to realise the weaknesses in how they react to certain situations and move on those weaknesses....

what i did was first i would always save before a boss...then i would run out and just stand there and move around...see how they moved in conjunction to my moves...then i would start to use force powers...by the time that i had their moves mapped out, i just went back to my save game and defeated them easily...

i got hit multiple times by say tavion desann and shadow troopers, but that was just to see how they fought...observing will get you farther than run and slash....

i have played more difficult games....
Hey, that's great you tried to "map" their moves. I can believe that. What I can't believe is your claim that after you supposedly mapped their moves, you loaded up your game and whipped them. Just like that, eh? Sorry, I still think you're BS'ing. So you mean to tell me you NEVER got hit by a reborn or Shadow Trooper saber?

I've killed my fair share of Reborn's with one lucky swipe, but I've never gone through every saber battle unharmed, even after learning how the enemy reacts.

thrEEpaGe
04-08-2002, 06:23 PM
in single player, it is all about conservativeness (heh i think thats a word)...

i play with fast in single player....i had to use speed a couple time, but if i got hit by a reborn or shadowtrooper, i dont remember it...i just didnt think that they were that hard....=/ i dont know what else to make you believe me...

i didnt commit myself to the long swings of strong, and they just didnt hit me when i used speed + fast stance...

RoyalGuard
04-08-2002, 06:36 PM
Tavion took me more tries than Desann (who I killed completely by accident with a strong backswing - bit of a disappointment that), largely cos she countered my speed with hers and didn't fall over easy. I just held in there, traded blows and force pulled her after I hit her. That dropped her to the floor, then a few over head slashes finished her. Took me five tries to get it right, largely cos I kept trying to choke her (one of my pet hates from JK1 is that the dark jedi could grip you and were in turn immune to your grip, I was trying to see if the same had happened here, of if she was just defending against a percentage of my tries. Never got her with it so I assume that you can't do it.)

On another note did anyone see what pulling the switches did on the Desann level? I guess they opened a secret room but I killed Desann before I found out its contents.

GalacticBulge
04-08-2002, 06:41 PM
Force Pulling the two buttons causes the "force fountain" in the middle of the room to reappear. If you run through it, it will give you about 10 seconds of invulnerability. Same goes for Desann, hehe.

Goumindong
04-08-2002, 06:51 PM
yea, you cant grip her. you can grip the Reborn though.

As for the two levers, they turn the beam on that desann was standing in when you first came into the room. This beam give you increased force powers when you enter it (for a short time) so you dont get completly rocked by desann.


As for the person saying that it isnt easy in master, 100% complete lie. You may "map" out tavion, but the fact is, she is much much faster than you(she uses your light stance and will counter your speed with one of her own). if you wait until she swings to make good your attack, her attack will end and she will block your attack. I used the pull method, and it took me about 30 tries. (the crouch and lunge is very very nasty)

Jerol Seren
04-08-2002, 07:43 PM
I had no trouble with her...she went down rather quickly thanks to Force Speed...I had trouble with Desann tho

Tarquin
04-08-2002, 07:53 PM
Well with you normal reborn jedi my trick is to let come running at me and at the last moment before they chop off my head I force push them and run up anf chop them when there on the floor a ver esy way of killing them and on Tavion front I was just lucky and got a bunch of attacks in quickly.

Scarlet Widow
04-08-2002, 07:53 PM
i've defeated her 4 times in the pit with one life (and no shields), thats my record :)

i figure that if i can defeat her with ease then i'll be at the point where i'm skilled. At first it took me about 15-25 times to just get "lucky" though.

Hiteche5
04-08-2002, 08:34 PM
you said you saved just before encountering each boss? Then you mapped there moves? How can you do that when every boss you meet is in an open spaces and appears without your knowledge? Desann is in the lower space and you cannot get him to move until you triggerthe cutscene. Tavion does not come out till you go into the level and trigger the cutscene. and Gallak is the same way. I personally am not the game god you guys are cause it was a hard game for me on jedi. I personally think some people read some guides before playing because there is a lot of gotchas in this game. You can't avoid being hit in some places.

Master Spiff
04-08-2002, 08:42 PM
i can't belive this thread is still going

Syphon
04-08-2002, 08:48 PM
You gotta love how everyone just loves to trash talk about how good they are and how easy the game is. I'm not here to brag myself, it took me 30 tries to beat tavion but less for desann. Desann was stronger but not as fast, plus he used lightning quite a bit. I also found that force speed makes it easier. I played on jedi difficulty. One fact remains though...AI cheat. That is the only way a computer can fight you is for the cpu to counteract your moves with preprogrammed scripts. And your computer can counter-react to a move faster than you can pull it off. Its a form of cheating but hey...thats the way it has to be for it work. So for anyone that says that the highest difficulty was a breeze was either using there own "console" cheats or is just plain bs'ing. I for one used "give all" severak times. I like to just jump in and slash, its more fun.

GalacticBulge
04-08-2002, 08:53 PM
Originally posted by GalacticBulge

ROFL! I tried that too!

I was thinking.. I haven't tried this yet, but when I get home I'm gonna try to take control of Desann and make one of those pillars fall on him. Now THAT would be freakin' hilarious.
Well, you can make Desann cause a pillar to fall on himself, I just mind tricked him and sabered a pillar, and it came crashing down on him, hehe.

A true Jedi avoids meaningless conflict, hehe.

chrism_s62
04-08-2002, 09:13 PM
I think all the people who claim it was really easy should write what level the game was set to. I think you will find not many of them played the game first time on anything more than jedi. Wow you must all feel great telling everyone that played it on master how stupid they are cause they didn't beat tavion or desann first go. Perhaps if you had a common point of reference, ie you played the game on master, you could join in on a conversation and contribute something worthwhile.

As for mind tricking Dessan, it doesn't work, you have to cheat to mind trick him, mind trick only works on weak minded enemies, ie stormtroopers, rodians, it doesn't work on shadow troopers reborn or tavion or dessan

thrEEpaGe
04-10-2002, 01:57 PM
well, if everyone would like to know (not that they would or would even believe me...heh) i played the game on master and i didnt find desann difficult...

heres why

1) i can run away very easily
2) he throws his saber a LOT, allowing me to knock his saber down, speed in, and slash....
3) he dies in about 10 or less strong hits (im not sure because i never really listened to see if it was his saber being hit or me hitting him...)
4) he doesnt use lightning all that much (lightning kills, but with heal, it isnt an issue at all)

why hes a little hard =)
1) when you use speed, he uses speed and then grips you, and when you push him, he immediately grips you, and this continues until you have no mana, and thus die
2) he can knock you down quite easily, and saber throws above your body, and when you get up, uh its not very pleasant =)

a few strategies that might be helpful for those who are having problems with desann
if you are trying to recover your health, simply run (force speed) or strafe jump away or simply just strafe run away...then heal and keep running around the top part...if he is at the bottom, just push him down when he is in the air...
i used strong...it worked pretty well
dont leave your back to desann...he WILL kill you easily...
let him swing first, because he uses a modified strong stance, it takes a while for him to finish, and if you are close to him when he starts his swing, just force speed in and slice his torso...
run away!!!!!!!!!!!! that is the biggest help for me...when you use force speed once, run away and let your mana recharge do not try to use force speed twice in a row that is suicidal, and you are asking to be gripped...

Creston
04-10-2002, 05:37 PM
Originally posted by manickat
I don't think you can push her off the edge. I've been using the setforce cheats to up my mind trick level so I can possess the NPCs, and I noticed when you're Tavion, there's an invisible barrier along the edge of the platform that you can't cross. I think it's to keep the battle from ending too quickly, plus the finishing cutscene wouldn't make sense ...

I had heard some people saying that they had pushed her off the edge, and I also didn't think it was possible, until I fought her on Jedi Knight difficulty yesterday. She was standing on top of the hauler, taunting me as usual (Taunt me when I can actually use my light stance, b*tch!!! :D), when she decided to Jump on top of me. I looked up, sidestepped to the right, and hit forcepush.

Now, Tavion is pretty susceptible to a forcepush, but rarely have I pushed her more than a few yards away. Hehe, imagine my surprise that at the moment I hit the push button I heard her scream AAAAARRRGGGHHHH and saw her sailing away off into the distance. Cue cutscene :)

No, it doesn't make much sense, but it's damn funny as hell :D

Btw, I noticed that a lot of people claim that the game is really easy etc, even on Jedi Master yadda yadda yadda..
I'll agree to a certain point. If you get used to the light stance, it rocks in single player. The only one you really can't defeat with it logically is Desann, all the other opponents are easy meat when it comes to the light stance, even Tavion. The lunge is probably the best move in the game, the AI falls for it 8 out of 10 times you try it, and you can get the lunge off within a snap second, so I can manage to perform the lunge even while trading blows. Since you can hardly defend against it, and it does a *%$%$ amount of damage, it's usually byebye Reborn (or Tavion, for that matter).
However, Play WITHOUT Force Speed! I've done it, it IS possible (on Jedi Master), but I sure would NOT call it easy.
Force Speed makes the game easy, so give yourself a challenge, and try it without Force Speed. :)

Creston