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Mafia_Jabba
04-08-2002, 09:44 PM
JESUS Christ...OK I'm not suppose to kill YOU because you DISLIKE how I kill u...ok........so what the hell u want me to do...loose? what the hell do u want me to do fight honorably? What is honorable if I'm not cheating and im completely legit? Running in circles and hoping i hit something?

STFU anyone who says anything is cheap. If you are getting killed, use that tactic and kill them with it. Stop saying its cheap because you are dieing PLEASE!

The move is easy to kill peole with? THATS WHY IM USING IT! I wanna win! I dont wanna be last!!

Be LOGICAL people geeze.

there are rules though...like the lightsaber in thing where i can't kill u...i wont kill u obviously...i mean what?! who would kill me with my lightsaber down?

Pol Favre
04-08-2002, 09:45 PM
i think you meant this as a post not a thread?

Mafia_Jabba
04-08-2002, 09:48 PM
no...I wanna get the point across to everyone so they can finally stfu about cheapness in the force powers or a certain saber tactic

Prox Kolari
04-08-2002, 09:59 PM
yeah i totaly agree with u
i like to hide in teh corner next to a pit or long drop and use grip on fools who are walking by
i drop thier asses into the pit every time!!!!
then they ***** at me just cuz i've got 30 more kills than everybody else on the server... why?

every1 should play like me
then we could have everybody hiding around the pit and waiting for movement but of course no one wuld move
but at least its SAFE and i get lots of kills :D :D :D

ShadowCell
04-08-2002, 10:12 PM
Actually, I'd do the same thing as what I do in Super Smash Bros.

My sister and I make a good team in Super Smash Bros., so we usually fight in the Team mode. Thing is, we always end up fighting over who gets to use the items. I found an easy fix though: turn off all items, except in our case we turn off all the items except the ones we can agree on.

It may take a little fun out of the game, but it stops the fighting. And less fighting means more butts kicked.

By the way, in respone to the thread about the imbalance of Force powers, I noticed it too: Dark Side powers are incredibly powerful. In SP, Grip and Lightning are my most widely used Force powers (I still consider them Dark Side powers, I think they are). That's another reason to turn off Force powers: not only does this eliminate the Force to have an imbalance in, it also gets rid of those Grip-fanatics.

HolySmiter
04-08-2002, 10:13 PM
As far as I'm concerned whatever you choose to do to kill an opponent in the game (without hacking or cheating) is a legitimate kill.

Questionable Examples:
Opponent extinguishes his lightsaber and challenges you to a personal dual and you run up to him and cut him down without accepting the dual. This is a totally legitimate kill and furthermore is in character for dark jedi. Nothing wrong with dualing, just don't expect everyone to do the honorable thing and take you up on it.

Someone else has someone else suspended in the air with force grip, I run up to the suspended person and take the kill away from the guy doing the force grip. Totally legit.

Fight "honorably" if you want, but don't ***** when you see others doing whatever legal means to kill their opponents, nomatter how deceptive.

My success in the multiplayer game involves me doing what my opponent doesnt' think I will do, nomatter how deceptive. And I see this as the smart strategy.

Mafia_Jabba
04-08-2002, 10:24 PM
alls fair

*Darth Vega*
04-08-2002, 10:32 PM
in love and war at least...and jk2 multi probably would count as war

StormHammer
04-08-2002, 10:40 PM
Mafia-Jabba...there are rules on these forums too...like not ranting at the rest of the community here because of something that happened on a server when you were playing MP.

Not everyone on the game servers even visits these forums...so if they call you cheap online...there's not much we can do about it here. Telling everyone to just STFU isn't appreciated. Everyone's entitled to state their point of view. If someone considers certain types of kills cheap...well, they're perfectly entitled to their opinion. Just because you don't agree with it is no reason to be rude or insulting.

You may join servers to play and win...others go there to have fun...some just to duel...everyone has their own reasons, and their own opinions of what's good and bad. Don't try and limit free debate here by trying to justify your own reasons in such a manner. :cool:

Mafia_Jabba
04-08-2002, 10:52 PM
like not ranting at the rest of the community here because of something that happened on a server when you were playing MP.

Never happened to me, but i see it time and again on the forums...ok one of your things shot down..time for the second...

Telling everyone to just STFU isn't appreciated. Everyone's entitled to state their point of view.

Am i telling everyone to stfu?..........nnnnnnnooooooo...only the people who call anything legit cheap. Another thing, NO ONE IS ENTITLED TO AN OPINION OF SUCH STUPIDITY. That's like the Palestinians thinking the US sucks for backing the Israelis. WTF is that? Its dumb! They dont deserve to have an opinion...thats number 2. Bye bye.

Pol Favre
04-08-2002, 10:54 PM
most of the threads concerning stances (i play NF usually so grip is not a problem, however i WILL use grip whenever i have the chance in a force server to throw people off a cliff/ledge/other) are dealing with messy-makings in the game.

such as the heavy stance still damaging when the blade is stuck in the ground.


with me, my only rant is how long it takes to kill losers who abuse the heavy-stance jump technique.

Prox Kolari
04-08-2002, 11:00 PM
I think your opinion is dumb, Mafia_Jabba, therefore you don't deserve to have it. Also, cheap is not legit, and STFU.

</sarcasm>

RedMan
04-08-2002, 11:06 PM
Shame servers don't have a speal at the start, such as
KILL KILL KILL, Anyway you can!

Or,
This server is for Lightsaber battles with minor force backup

Or
Cup of tea anyone? :D

Unless I'm missing something, I suppose you could put it in the server name. Then if your on a Kill server you can legitimately laugh at the wusses whining, and keep doing it till they learn to read.
On a LS battle server you can go, 'That bugger just pushed me!' then proceed to lop his head off
On a cup of tea server??? Maybe have a conversation with your grandma and show her how high you can jump.

Pol Favre
04-08-2002, 11:14 PM
do you read PA, redman? >D

RedMan
04-08-2002, 11:19 PM
Originally posted by Pol Favre
do you read PA, redman? >D

Um, help me out on Jargon here, PA?
Private Agreement, forgive the stupidity...:confused:

Prox Kolari
04-08-2002, 11:20 PM
Oh I agree. I hate cheap crap like what this guy's talking about, but if the server is FFA, I'm not going to connect, get beat up and then whine about rules of conduct. FFA is for twitch gamers and they can have it.

Pol Favre
04-08-2002, 11:27 PM
:o

penny-arcade.

they just ran an article about a mod for medal of honor. it was a joke.

http://www.penny-arcade.com/

check it out.

Mafia_Jabba
04-08-2002, 11:29 PM
ok...if there ARE specified rules in the server...prohibiting moves such as these "cheap" moves then you can't do them...point blank.

I think your opinion is dumb, Mafia_Jabba, therefore you don't deserve to have it. Also, cheap is not legit, and STFU.

Nice, lol, but as we know there are opinions that concretely (spelling) do not deserve to exist. Such as...I think u should die by me shooting u. Ok.....u would think this opinion should't exist right? ok......

StormHammer
04-08-2002, 11:45 PM
Originally posted by Mafia_Jabba
Never happened to me, but i see it time and again on the forums...ok one of your things shot down..time for the second...

On the contrary, your first post is a rant. :)

Another thing, NO ONE IS ENTITLED TO AN OPINION OF SUCH STUPIDITY. That's like the Palestinians thinking the US sucks for backing the Israelis. WTF is that? Its dumb! They dont deserve to have an opinion...thats number 2. Bye bye.

I'm not going anywhere, MJ. You may consider that no one else is entitled to an opinion, but that's not the policy of these forums. If you don't tone down your comments, you may no longer be posting them on these boards. :cool:

RedMan
04-08-2002, 11:49 PM
Had to look for that PA artical but I think I found it

Penny Arcade's Pacifism does away with the dangerous World War 2 era weaponry, replacing it with sharing and dialogue. Gone are are the shotguns, rifles, sniper rifles, grenades, submachine guns, machine guns, pistols, rocket launchers, and anything else that shoots, blows up, or is, in any way, pointy. Each player spawns with a special cupcake that they can give to the player of their choice, and any time cupcakes are exchanged, these two players become best friends and may attend the other's birthday party. Points are awarded for being courteous, opening doors, and pulling out chairs. Soldiers frolic and caper amidst new blossoms which carry the scent of spring.

(they also whinged about people pointing to their stuff, I'm not pointing, just cutting and pasting, he he)

Funny mod.
Once I start a server though people who complain about part of the game will get booted, or hunted, probably hunted, more fun for me. Funny more if I kill em while they are writing a complaint. Will be my server and they can whine all they like, will just ruin their night, make mine more fun

he he :D

D66
04-08-2002, 11:50 PM
Mafia_Jabba: Amen on the inital post. i totaly agree

Oh and Prox Kolari was being sarcastic... he actualy agrees with you

StormHammer: What I find Rude and insulting is players who conduct the type of behavior that Mafia_Jabba is talking about. I doubt any one who has put THOUGHT into it would disagree (Excluding the 12yr old JefK's out there) So as a Moderator who is DEFENDING opinions.... Why are you so quick to attack his?

dan-o2
04-08-2002, 11:51 PM
Am i telling everyone to stfu?..........nnnnnnnooooooo


STFU anyone who says anything is cheap.


Do I even need to say "Owned"? I believe it's implied.

Owned.

FortisVis
04-08-2002, 11:56 PM
I think there are two basic player types on JO servers:

There are the people who just want to get kills ,"Kill people", and be number 1, and there are the people who just want to have fun, "Fun people". The problem is that when these people congregate in the same server, people get mad.


The fun people get mad at the kill people because they feel they are being cheap for one reason or another, and ruining the fun.

The kill people get mad at the fun people because they think everyone should be a legitimate target at all times, and when fun people try to put some order in the arena, it upsets the kill people.

I am one of the fun people. Now i do believe that some things are cheap, but i can live with it. I don't have to yell at that person if they drop me off a cliff, i can just leave the server. The problem for me is finding a server with a decent amount of fun people, because most servers are full of kill people who just want to be in a gigantic furball.

The best thing for everyone to do would be to understand both types of people and learn to tolerate them.

The sad thing about multiplayer is that it's very hard to get kills without stabbing people in the back, dropping them off of cliffs, and using the repeater secondary fire. I don't like to do these type of things, but thats just the way i like to play, and i understand if other people play differently.

"That's all I have to say about that" - Forrest Gump

RedMan
04-09-2002, 12:09 AM
Thats sort of what I was pointing out.
Shame there aint no lingo for it. Should following it up in the Server forum.
KA for kill all servers
KA,LS Kill all, try not to use guns and force too much

Whatever, if you think I'm being anal, don't, personnally I don't care cause I adapt to the preference for the server and play different styles, its just to stop this from happening, seen the forums for a week now and this topic keeps popping up.
Just put some effort in if this sort of thing bothers you, find a listing of servers and promote them for Killers.

Pol Favre
04-09-2002, 12:14 AM
im a kills person, but i also want to have fun. sure, it looks good for me to get lots of kills, but when im having to take forever to get them because some idiot keeps doing the same slow move over and over again...

Mafia_Jabba
04-09-2002, 12:16 AM
LMAO if you are so FOR opinions then i can't voice MINE that everyone who thinks something is cheap should'nt speak! I am entitled to my opinion by your standards eh? hmmm...Am I not a citizen of the United States, am I not a man! am i not human!

and

dude... dan-o2


u need to realize that I actually think about what i say before i post. He said i tell EVERYONE to STFU...when naturally i am only telling the people who say this is cheap and that is cheap. Ok...and u proved it by posting my quotes lmao...thanks man!

and Stormhammer...how do U know that someone or someone didn't call me cheap...it never happened to me before but the reason for this post was the constant times it was said HERE...ok DAD!

StormHammer
04-09-2002, 12:20 AM
Originally posted by D66
StormHammer: What I find Rude and insulting is players who conduct the type of behavior that Mafia_Jabba is talking about. I doubt any one who has put THOUGHT into it would disagree (Excluding the 12yr old JefK's out there) So as a Moderator who is DEFENDING opinions.... Why are you so quick to attack his?

I am not attacking his opinion at all - to which he is perfectly entitled as anyone else is - but the way in which he chooses to express it...by ranting at the rest of this community. If you feel strongly about something, then of course you are entitled to post about it. However, it would help if you enter into a reasoned debate about it, rather than simply shout down or denounce the opinions of others from the outset. :cool:

dan-o2
04-09-2002, 12:20 AM
u need to realize that I actually think about what i say before i post.


Oh, I can tell! You know, my doing this is sort of fruitless. You're doing enough damage to your credibility as it is without my assistance. But it IS fun.

RedMan
04-09-2002, 12:23 AM
Have you asked people to Hunt the idiot? In some situations I know that an idiot can promote a fault, I think one map they get up high and drain your force jump or something.
But if you don't like im/her then I suppose others don't either, so maybe they'll help kill em, then kill em again, then again, .. and again, then you see a idiot leave or beg to be left alone, then you all laugh and either continue or see if he/she adapted.
But I suppose that'd be annoying if an idiot keeps joining every 5 minutes.

Cow_JK:O
04-09-2002, 12:34 AM
Dont you have to be 13 to post on an online message board?

Mafia, you're not supposed to lie when they ask you that question :D

Mafia_Jabba
04-09-2002, 12:44 AM
Dont you have to be 13 to post on an online message board?

ok....then i suppose i broke the laws of physics and space time and somehow being born in 1985 doesn't make me physically 16...strange...anyway...u must be one of those guys who gets killed in the back by a strong swing a lot hu? and is like "Damn cheap stuff"

Oh, I can tell! You know, my doing this is sort of fruitless. You're doing enough damage to your credibility as it is without my assistance. But it IS fun.

how? have i said anything that is remotely contradictory or not true? ok...then what?

Geeze people are u all dumb or something?

Solo4114
04-09-2002, 12:46 AM
I believe StormHammer was not actually remarking upon your opinion, but upon the way you chose to express that opinion. As StormHammer said, you're entitled to yours and other folks are entitled to theirs. He does have a point, though, in saying that you shouldn't hop on a server and start posting things like "All people with opinion X can STFU" and what have you. Maybe a better way to make that point would be to make an articulate argument in favor of your opinion, and point out the shortcomings in the other side's opinions, without actually attacking the people making them. Simply saying STFU isn't terribly productive and doesn't do much to further the debate. It only serves to antagonize people and turn this into a flame thread, and frankly, I think we see enough of those already.

As for you being an American, having rights, etc., unfortunately, you have no rights here. None of us do. This is a private forum, and we are, consequently, all at the mercy of the server and the moderators. If they want, they can ban you simply because they don't like the smiley you put in your post, and there isn't anything you can do about it. We don't pay these people anything to post on their server and take up their bandwidth. They open this up to the public and graciously permit us to post our opinions, thoughts, etc.

As far as this actual debate goes, I disagree with you. I view the online community as not very different from the rest of the world, or at least that it shouldn't be different from the rest of the world. Certain types of behavior, while legal, are generally unacceptable in the real world, and I have no problem with people feeling that certain behavior is unacceptable online. In my mind, some of the tactics described in here are absolutely cheap. Yes, they're legal, but they just seem to be kind of a "Dark Side" way to approach things, if you'll forgive the Star Wars analogy. It's the quick and easy path, and frankly, it doesn't impress me when I see it happen. Just because you've got a kajillion kills next to your name when time runs out or you hit the kill limit first, doesn't necessarily mean you're the best, most skilled player out there. In addition, I think you'll find, as this game is out for longer, that most of the cheap tactics won't work as well anymore. Hiding in a corner and pulling a grip'n'drop won't work quite as well when people learn that push and absorb are nice counters to it. Or when they learn to simply avoid running by dark corners with nearby pits. Either way, the party's over. Ultimately, I think unless you tend to sit around waiting for someone's duel to end so you can nuke the winner with your secondary repeater fire, people will find ways to counter your tactics. Or they'll simply deem the tactics inappropriate and vote you off the server. Or the admin will kick you.

As a rule, I generally try to adhere to the basic sense of the game that's being played at the time. When I join, I ask if folks are using force powers, or if they're just dueling with lightsabres, throw, and jump. Or if they're only using neutral powers, etc. If folks say they are, then I respect that, and play by that style, largely because I enjoy playing that way. I'm happy to play with full force powers, however, and at least on duel servers, don't mind if someone uses all their force powers on me, dark or lightside.

That said, I do still view certain tactics as unseemly, and try not to lower myself to that level where I practice them. IE: killing someone as they exit a duel (unless I happen to be running by them), or killing someone with their sabre powered down, unless I think we've started the duel and they're just trying to act like a badass (IE: I'm so tough, I can walk around with my sabre unpowered). I play this way because I would hope that folks would do the same with me when I'm on a server. Respecting other people's style of play is just good manners, especially if their style of play doesn't hurt you any. Simply pulling the online equivalent of a sucker punch, however, just seems wrong to me.

Now, I realize that many people who've posted here will simply disagree with my position and claim all's fair, or there are no rules on the internet, etc. And that's fine, they're entitled to their opinions, even if I happen to disagree with them. However, I would hope that folks here are mature enough to not engage in personal attacks, and can effectively communicate their opinions without resorting to character assassination or insults.

And finally, respect the authoritah of the moderators. :) They run this place, and while I doubt they'd simply ban you on a whim, they do have the power to do so.

RedMan
04-09-2002, 12:59 AM
And I thought my posts were long
:rolleyes:
But I'm not knocking it :D
The people who disagree just don't have the patience to do that talking stuff (I do, but they don't)
We need a way to quickly satisfy the tastes of people, nobody wants to work. Anyone out there who hosts? that'll make these people happy? Any bad arse, no blow is too low people out there who have a server?

Otherwise, if you join a server, ask who's hosting, if people complain, ask them if they'll boot you for it. Maybe that'll cut down chatter.

Mafia_Jabba
04-09-2002, 01:00 AM
I understand my lack of rights here...that American thing was a joke..more like a ramble...

but u know my opinion on your opinion..or whatever...I probably should have approached the subject another fashion...but I'm a blunt person...as u can see...I dont like to beat around the bush and "ask" people not to do it again...its not my style

So..whatever rules I broke sorry...apologies Stormhammer and to whomever I offended

RedMan
04-09-2002, 01:05 AM
Ain't that nice for an American :p

Whats your hit rate for a good server for what you do Jabba?

Prox Kolari
04-09-2002, 01:05 AM
BTW, Mafia, I wasn't backing you up, but I wasn't exactly condemning you either. I think cheap people suck (I don't have to define "cheap" do I?), but you mostly see that on FFA, and if someone doesn't like it (like me), they can stay off those servers, and if they do go on, not ***** about it afterwards when they put away their saber and somebody killed them.

Mafia_Jabba
04-09-2002, 01:33 AM
Whats your hit rate for a good server for what you do Jabba?

What?





Ain't that nice for an American

just to be positive this is sarcasm right

and

I agree...that if its FFA no holds barred but if the server has rules then u have to follow them

RedMan
04-09-2002, 01:49 AM
twas sarcasm

You are complaining about people who don't like the full arsenal being thrown at them.
The question was:
When you play online, do you get this on every server and %80 of the people do it?
or do you occasionally get it?
or is this just general in that it should never happen.

You could also not be interested in a solution, and just complaining (or being blunt :) )

I wanna know cause I use a 56K connection, till I get cable me and my friends have to connect to another server with good ping, this sort of thing being more to one side will sway me getting cable earlier.

StormHammer
04-09-2002, 02:01 AM
Originally posted by Solo4114
As for you being an American, having rights, etc., unfortunately, you have no rights here. None of us do. This is a private forum, and we are, consequently, all at the mercy of the server and the moderators. If they want, they can ban you simply because they don't like the smiley you put in your post, and there isn't anything you can do about it. We don't pay these people anything to post on their server and take up their bandwidth. They open this up to the public and graciously permit us to post our opinions, thoughts, etc.

Hmmm...not to be nit-picky, but yes, you all do have a right, IMO - to post your opinion and have your voice heard, and to be shown the respect of your fellow members. Those are very simple principles we try to engender in everyone who posts on these forums. :) People are only banned if they fly in the face of the forum policies, which include not spamming, flaming, trolling, or being insulting, racist, etc., and not using excessive bad language - which turns posts into dash-dot-dash with asterisks. :D

I certainly don't like to ban people, but it sometimes has to be done. :(

By all means hold debates, express yourselves, just try to do it in a reasonable fashion without offending other members. After all, we're all here to have fun. :)


Personally, I'm one who just goes online to have a fun game. It's nice to win, now and again (and on my connection it's near miraculous), but I'm just happy to be able to take part. Getting thrown off a walkway into a pit is a hazard of the game...and may get annoying if it happens frequently. You just have to remember there are counter-measures, and you should employ them whenever entering a likely 'hazard' area. It's also extremely satisfying when you blast the one responsible with the biggest gun you can lay your hands on. :D

Originally posted by Mafia_Jabba
So..whatever rules I broke sorry...apologies Stormhammer and to whomever I offended

Apology accepted, Mafia_Jabba *gargle...crunch...thump* :vadar: j/k ;)

Mafia_Jabba
04-09-2002, 02:08 AM
When you play online, do you get this on every server and %80 of the people do it?


What the complaining? I never got it before because I've really only played w/ one person.

RedMan
04-09-2002, 02:16 AM
Bugger, Totally took this out of context then :mad:

Sorry

The way I understood it was that... say you are on a 16 player server that you join, its has guns, everything etc
You use it and get people complaining.

Recent post said you follow the rules of the server so I understood that then. Which is probably not what you want but you respect that. Tis good.

But seeing as I thought you originally played on servers with large amount of people, I was trying to find out the mentality of most of those people. I haven't got to play online much (have family blah blah, excuses go on, but my 2 year old can actually walk in it and look round with the mouse, takes on the bots, lightsaber only though, wife doesn't like blasters :mad: )

I'd just like to know my chance of finding a server with use everything people or not, cause I'd hate to waste my time looking for a rare thing.

But you just said you only play 1 person, must be Duel, don't know.

Saient
04-09-2002, 03:13 AM
Jabba

I agree with you 100% and it irritated me at 1st too, I like the play the game many different ways.. some times to win sometimes to have fun, do I get disapointed when I get shot in the back while having a saber fight.. momentarely yes but then I relize Im on a FFA server and next respawn I'll hunt the person who killed me with a vengance.

Its also quite fun to shoot people having saber fights in the back and drain them and do all kinds of nasty stuff.. and I now only ever hear the word cheap in chat programs and forums. I don't hear anyone complain in the game whatsoever anymore since there is a console command to turn off text.

I know what they might be saying.. but atleast I don't have to hear their whining cries all over my monitor

I paid cash for my interent connection and the game to have fun. NO one will take that away from me, I'll enjoy the game as I like and most of the time I just like to get some frags without any of the extra rubbish that accompanies people who most likely are yelling mean comments at me cause of their inferiority

PS: Sometimes I listen find the whiners and then put the ignore all command back on and hunt them specifically

one day they'll realize that it
A)This isn't the game for them.
B) Shape up and beat me at my own game

slice
04-09-2002, 03:30 AM
http://www.penny-arcade.com
'nuff said.

Doctor Lee
04-09-2002, 03:47 AM
Mafia-Jabba,

Your angry ranting and raving on these forums will not make the slightest difference. I will b1tch as I please, and even more so when I see your name online. Until you can afford to run a worthwhile server, don't expect this to change whenever you play.

Your other option would be to give up multiplayer altogether, as there is whining to be found in just about every other game. Choosing this option will be a great benefit to the jk2 community as we will have one less whiner, whining about other whiners.

Mafia_Jabba
04-09-2002, 08:58 PM
whinning? whinning would be...there are too many blah blah balh and thats it...hence why i said...everyone who "whines" should STFU...i wanna "do" something about it...but anyways

enderWiggin6
04-09-2002, 09:15 PM
i've been reading this thread for a while, and just thought i'd chime in...

first off, i just wanna say that i have no problem with guns (except maybe the alt-fire of the repeater) or gripping or draining or any of that. its in the game, use it to your advantage.

this being said, i played last night with someone who almost converted me to the whiners camp. i'm not exagerating when i say that this dumbass never killed a single person with a gun or a saber. all he did in every map was wait by a cliff, drain ppl so they couldnt push, and drop them off. i mean, thats it. no skill whatsoever. drain followed immediately by a grip is practically invicible (despite being a light jedi). even on bespin streets he just stood by that one ledge the entire game... i mean, honestly, does anyone have any respect for a player like that?

ender.

Prox Kolari
04-09-2002, 09:45 PM
That's the kind of crap I'm talking about, this drain/grip whoring. And I bet some people here would not only say that's NOT cheap, but since it works, it SHOULD be used and is totally valid, fine, and don't argue with it.

That's BS. If that's how you play, you have NO SKILL. It is the very definition of cheap, and you ARE ruining the game for people. I don't see how there can be an argument for that kind of cheapness.

Prox Kolari
04-09-2002, 09:47 PM
Oh, here's an idea -- duelists gang up on a gun-user who interrupts their duel. If you see a dark sider (or anyone, since light side could push) camping a cliff or pit for cheap kills, go to town on him. Switch to darkside for one round and toss his ass down.

Mafia_Jabba
04-09-2002, 10:15 PM
do something about his "cheapness" if u call it that

GooglyMoogly
04-09-2002, 10:45 PM
Mafia...please take no offense, but if you've only played with one person than you obviously haven't experienced the frustration of repeated "cheap" tactics from multiple players at a time. Spend some time out there and see what the people are complaining about first hand. I'd bet you'll start to curse under your breath at the very least.

I play this game for fun...not to win. Sometimes when I play for fun AND win its extra sweet.

I pride myself on being a tolerant individual...but I have gotten pissed off at times during my MP experience (and not just THIS game). Sometimes I complain about a persons play style if I think it's cheap. Just like it's not their problem that I feel that way, it's not my problem that they are "affected" by my statements. Life's a *****...deal with it. Sad but true.

I think people use these games as an outlet for frustrations and other issues in their Real(tm) lives. Venting at players in an online game is NO different than venting your frustration in this forum.

Mafia_Jabba
04-09-2002, 11:08 PM
well basically what u just said is...there are morons out there and we can do nothing about it...that my friend is sad but true

TBivo
04-10-2002, 01:51 AM
Sigh, this will probably be burried because this thread is so long but here goes my .02...

First of all, I have a server coming soon and it will be admined ruthlessly just like my CS server was run. On our CS server we promoted maturity and a ***** free environment. We are just as quick to ban a person that complains alot as we are banning someone that cheats. Heh, well maybe not that quick because CSGuard doesn't have a whiner detector component, maybe someday though :D

We even do such things as filtering words like "BS" and "Bull****" because little bratty whinners tend to say it all the time....and you know what? The level of maturity stays pretty high on the server. Now I'm not saying that sometimes I might think something seemed fishy but I know that complaining doesn't help in the matter. I think the worst is when people ***** and moan that someone is cheating when the person really isn't. As you get better, you tend to accept some of the crazy manuevers people do as skill rather than a hack because you pull them off too. The same thing applies about so called "cheap" behavior. Learn to not die from cheap behavior and you won't need to complain anymore.

The "House Rules" need to be stated by the server so that everyone is clear upon connecting what is expected. Also, the server's settings must be made to enforce those rules. Hopefully Raven will make it possible to buld very detailed server.cfg's so that admins can allow/disallow whatever features they want so that people are forced into playing how they want.

Now as for the people who ***** about other's play...ugh, please put some thought into your actions first. I don't jump on a saber only server and run around yelling "waaa waaa saber's suck, use blasters only!" and in turn, I don't jump on an FFA all weapons server and expect people to use only sabers. It makes ZERO sense. When I play FFA, I play all out free for all using every means necessary just like I do in CTF. It never ceases to amaze me when people cry about me using the repeater in a CTF game. I'm trying to help our team capture the flag and you want me to bust out my saber when I can 3 shot you with my alt repeater? Negatory!

Don't get me wrong, I like playing with a saber as much as most others do. I love doing some of the special moves on people, especially the enemy flag carrier :p but I don't expect people to NOT use any weapon that is available on the server. It's just like the people who cry about those who use the AWP in CS. I personally don't like the AWP but I don't cry when someone uses it because I'll take my trusty deagle against an AWP any day of the week. Which leads me to my last point...

Anything and everything has a counter. The real reason I don't complain is because I can adapt. I can evolve my gameplay. Sure, maybe some guy is driving me nuts when he keeps draining me or gripping me off a ledge, but it only takes a few times for me to find a way to counter his moves. I think it's the people that can't adapt that are the ones that complain a lot...

Sniping me consecutively? Fine, I'll toss some cover fire like a rocket which forces you to move then I'll immediately pull out my sniper rifle and zoom in before you are standing still and snipe you back. Oh so pleasureable and redeeming!

Trying to drain me all the time? Absorb baby. Works wonders. Maybe you're too quick for me, so next time I make sure to keep you at a distance. Yes, I adapt my play based on WHO I'm fighting.

Using speed like a crank addict? OK, fine, I'll either cut you off by anticipating where you're heading and placing a few lovely det charges for ya or I'll keep pulling you back to burn up some of your speed time so my teammates have a crack at you.

Perhaps you're using grip? Absorb once again works like magic. Grip me, I'll absorb then push you off a ledge or maybe saber you to pieces.

Are you using absorb yourself? Works for me, I'll wait for you to burn your power away then I'll use my force on you.

You using the dastardly repeater? (I do, a TON) And are you using ALT-FIRE? You heathen! (Sure, call me one too) Ok, works for me, I'll PULL that puppy right out of your hands and kill you with a bit of your own medicine. Works wonders AND it's very very evil! Or maybe I'll use force push if you are too far away and redirect that alt repeater ball right at your noggin.

I could go on but you get the picture. People need to learn how to play with their BRAINS instead of just their reactions. One reason people complain is because they have no other option because they don't THINK about how to counter things. If someone pisses me off, they become my mark, and they WILL pay for pissing me off :) It may take a few rounds, but my AI will adapt and beat them in the end.

If you need to complain about how someone plays (if he's playing within the programmed paramaters of course, i.e. not hacking and following the stated House Rules) then you should rethink your tactics. With enough persistence and thought, it may be the offending player who ends up complaining because you're spanking him so hard. Heh.

Anyways, thanks for the forum and reading my long winded spat.

-Bivo

PS. Maybe I'll put together all the counter's I've worked out and post them in the MP Strat board....but I just assume that most people savy enough to read these boards already know most of this?

RedMan
04-10-2002, 02:09 AM
^^
Yay.
This is what you want, someone who servers and sets the rules for the gamestyle you want.
The rant was good, plus your in the position to say 'follow my opinion' I suppose
:D

But, do you know how the Server states the House Rules? Whats the common method for the ignorant people. Or yours.

...not me of course... for the others....

Saient
04-10-2002, 03:23 AM
Originally posted by Prox Kolari
That's the kind of crap I'm talking about, this drain/grip whoring. And I bet some people here would not only say that's NOT cheap, but since it works, it SHOULD be used and is totally valid, fine, and don't argue with it.

That's BS. If that's how you play, you have NO SKILL. It is the very definition of cheap, and you ARE ruining the game for people. I don't see how there can be an argument for that kind of cheapness.


Prox Kolari, I might use those techniques to play when Im in the mood.. sometimes im in the mood to be damn right evil.

If I was doing that and someone like you said.. "that takes NO SKILL" I would continue to use these techniques against you while you loose using your SKILLFULL style of play.

There is no such thing as cheap
If your loosing to such techniques that you don't like then either

1) QUIT PLAYING JK2
2) or ADAPT ( if you can't adapt then) QUIT PLAYING JK2

TBivo
04-10-2002, 04:02 AM
This is what you want, someone who servers and sets the rules for the gamestyle you want.
The rant was good, plus your in the position to say 'follow my opinion' I suppose

But, do you know how the Server states the House Rules? Whats the common method for the ignorant people. Or yours.


Thanks for the reply. You are absolutely correct, I would setup my server or servers according to how I'd like the play of the game to be. If I had my choice though, I'd setup several servers to cater to various people's likes and dislikes.

I certainly don't expect everyone to play like I do or to like how I play. However, I think it's important for people to fight through their initial dismay with how people play or to find the right server for them. This does kinda depend on there being enough server admins with differing tastes in gameplay to setup a variety of servers. And yes it does require server owners to urge people to play in a certain manner.

I'm not yet an expert on hosting Q3/JK2 servers but I would hope that anything that Half-life could do, Q3 could do...or can do soon :) I honestly don't know how to do this in JK2 so maybe some server admin can help us out?

If setup correctly, in Counter-Strike (running AdminMod), when clients connect, they receive an "On Connect" message which is displayed in the console while they are loading. On our server we state that by connecting they agree to not cheat and to allow our server to scan their system for cheats. You can also have an additional message displayed upon map load that would list the house rules. There are many CS servers which do just this.

I also really like the idea (not my idea) of there becomming some kind of naming convention for server rules. We all know what FFA and CTF means, but perhaps another set of acronyms that the JK2 community could agree on which could be listed in the server's name so that you'd know what was allowed/frowned upon etc before you even connected.

-Bivo