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BeastMaster
09-27-2001, 01:41 PM
I know some of you caught the premier last night. Opinions/reviews?

It looks like a very good show; the premier had better effects than I've ever seen in Trek, short of the movies themselves. The actors all seem well-picked, and I really like the subari; they're a very interesting race, and I'd like to see how they turn out by the 24<sup>th</sup> century.

I like that the Enterprise is so small and primitive. After being pretty much raised on TNG, I feel like I'm watching a period piece. This stuff makes even Kirk's ship look advanced. :p

My complaints: the gratuitous erotica scene with T'Pol and whats-his-name. Once again, the writers decided to go for the blatant ratings-grab rather than keep their dignity (or character; vulcans are touch-telepaths --T'Pol should have at least shied away from the back-rub.)

I also wasn't too fond of the implication that the human arrogance and self-assurance was a good thing. The vulcans were right: the humans were a juvenile, undisciplined, child-race.

As I've said earlier; the new show, as good as it is, will never be Star Trek. It's self-congratulatory back-slapping and ratings-grabbing, not meaningful storytelling.

Kylilin
09-27-2001, 01:55 PM
From what I have read, the Suliban have all been wiped out by the 24th century.

Borg Collective
09-28-2001, 12:46 PM
Species 642. Though primitive, they showed a high resistance quotient. First assimilated on stardate 32546.9, on the Romulan edge of the Neutral Zone. No further concentrations of this species were ever detected.

Their pre-cloaking stealth technology was judged irrelevant, and their acrobatic/contortionist abilities proved impossible to integrate into non-suliban drones.

Their genetically augmented lungs were retained for emergency atmospheric use, and their compound retinas improved the efficiency of borg visual sensors.

Qpan
09-29-2001, 02:46 AM
1st the ship looks like the akira class cruiser used in the first contact movie and during the dominian war . just with older warp nacells. so it dont look that old to me , it looks more advanced then the constitution class, IE orginal series.

also why the hell would starfleet send the prototype starship out on a deepspace mission before doing full tests on it .

the theme music has to go, voyager had a beautiful theme they spoiled it .

Kylilin
09-29-2001, 03:07 AM
Yeah, I'm not to big a fan of hearing Rod Stewart sing the intro to Enterprise, even though the song isn't that bad. It just doesn't belong in a Star Trek series. Every Star Trek series has had cool intro music, I don't know why they decided to use a Pop song.

Jedi Master Xai-Qui
09-30-2001, 01:07 PM
Apparently the control panels they use are based on ones NASA currently use....

BeastMaster
09-30-2001, 05:23 PM
You're right regarding the Akira-class spaceframe, but hopefully there'll be an explanation/fanwank coming up shortly.

The ship is small though; the Akira looked to be about the same size as the Galaxy-class, but Archer's Enterprise looks to be even smaller than the Constitution series. Check out the size when they launch the shuttle.

As for the theme song, I agree that it's odd but like I said, I don't think of this show as Star Trek. It's just a show that happens to be set in the Star Trek universe (just like Crusade and Babylon 5).

I'm not that big a fan of the song, but I do love the first few lines. The visual sequence is also awesome, really stirring when you think about it.

It's been a long road, gettin' from there to here.
It's been a long time, but now my time is finally near.
I will see my dreams come alive at last,
I will touch the sky.
And they're not gonna hold me back no more,
No, they're not gonna change my mind!

Maybe if they'd gotten a new version of it. Either get a cover version, or maybe even a remix.

I think they're just trying to copy the feel of the "modern spaceflight" movies, like Deep Impact, Armaggeddon, Space Cowboys, et al. You know, with those down-home American midwest classic rock hits?

'Cause you know, the American midwest is the entire world. :rolleyes:

<small>Edit: That'll teach me to quote lyrics from memory.</small> :rolleyes:

[ October 01, 2001: Message edited by: BeastMaster ]

Jedi Master Xai-Qui
10-01-2001, 09:02 PM
Ofcourse I have not seen it yet as I am in the UK....

Paragon_Leon
12-24-2001, 10:40 AM
i have seen it, through means...outside of my comprehension.

I found the sudden translations of the language-officer to be totally unbelievable. Come on, how can someone pick up an unknown language SO fast ?
that's impossible.

So far, the series seem a bit tedious to me. I'd expect to see much more 'firsts' and developments.

BeastMaster
01-03-2002, 09:02 PM
Tiamat's blood this is an old thread!

But, as for the (painfully cute) Hoshi Sato, the series bible explains that she's a savant.

A savant, in case you don't know the term, is someone who's above genius-level intellect in one area (and conversely below average in others). Savants do exist, but the problem with them is that, whenever a mind gets really strong in one thing, it seems to lose its grip on everything else. Modern savants usually manifest as child prodigies, They're usually socially inept, and most of them end up in mental institutions by the time they're 40.

Hoshi seems remarkably well-adjusted, except for her fear of spaceflight. Hopefully, the writers will pick up on her savant qualities and give her some handicaps. This crew is, after all, supposed to be more contemporary and flawed than the 24<sup>th</sup> century generation, why shouldn't they be less mentally strong as well?

Kurgan
01-11-2002, 10:54 PM
I rather enjoyed the first 12 episodes of Enterprise (which I watched in succession on my computer before Christmas vacation). Much more "fun" in my opinion than TNG, DS9, or Voyager. I thought TNG was alright, but I despised the other series spinoffs, of course nothing compares to Kirk and the ol' crew of the Original Series. Still, I think Enterprise comes in second for sheer entertainment value. The characters aren't as pompous and self-righteous as they later become in the other series's, and I like the more "primitive" look of it all. But nothing beats TOS for fashion sense. ; )

BeastMaster
01-16-2002, 03:51 PM
I dunno, I like the "modern" black & grey uniforms in DS9 and the latest movies. Though the Enterprise-era uniforms do get the prize for functionality.

Pockets! You've got pockets! We would've killed for pockets!--Jonathan "Cmdr. Riker" Frakes, during a visit to the Enterprise sets. ;)

Still, nothing's cooler than the futuristic "Starfleet-issue duster" that Admiral Janeway wore in Endgame (the one bright spot in a crappy episode).

It was a long black Billowy-Coat<sup>TM</sup> with the red piping around the shoulders. :cool:

obi
01-17-2002, 07:02 AM
you guys(some of you guys) know how i feel about star trek.

Star trek(not track, as people sometimes say):awesome
TNG:just as good(if not better, sequels usually arn't as good as the first, but in this case i'll make an exception)
DS9: ok, needed lots of work,but ok.
voyager:Its like a vaccum, it sucked.
Enterprise: Awesome(though sort of ripoff,vulcan 1st officer, a southern accent guy(trip vs. mccoy), the vulcan is also the science officer hmmmmmmmmm....................)
all the movies are good except I&III, star trek X is goin to be awesome.


aside from my star wars carrer, i enjoy a good trek.

Borg Collective
01-20-2002, 03:46 PM
Original Trek: A classic for its time. Its quick cancellation betrays its success at examining delicate subjects rather than simply pandering to audience expectations.

The Next Generation: Our screen debut. A less-satisfying beginning, and the beginning of the prostitution of the Trek mythos. Nonetheless, it has maintained high standards.

Deep Space Nine: A departure from the tradition, but a brilliant effort when judged on its own merits. Like the original, it dealt with unpopular subjects in a unique way, and caused controversy even among fans.

Voyager: By now, the Trek franchise has fallen from grace. It has ceased to be about social commentary and become a matter of ratings. The writers are Starfleet propagandists, and the series degenerates into a self-congratulatory comic book. We are ashamed to have been associated with it.

Enterprise: Hopefully, the newest series signals a return to the social commentary that made the original so successful. As long as the writers remain true to the original vision, the series will be a worthy heir to the franchise.

andy_nighthawk
01-22-2002, 12:09 PM
i thought the premiere was pretty average but i've enjoyed the next 2 episodes so far (i'm in the Uk and so only just getting it now)