Petition: Remove Saber Throwing In FFA duels Next Patch

[zufuss]

I dont think this should be allowed. I usually dont use saber throw, because with force its useless, and on noforce you can't throw your saber (i should hope so right?).

I mean #1 the saber uses force to throw in the first place, and there is NO force in duels.

When you duel the saber throwing really ****s you over, especially since light stance doesn't block it (which being that its already weak enough and yet you have no advantage in defense as that as a heavy stancer, its rediculous) unless you constantly keep looking down or crouch 24/7.

I think as a whole it is fine but please remove its use from use in ffa duels.

thanks you.

[UsEr-X-]

I agree when it says no force I expect NO force that goes for force jump too. I guess they werent very strict with making it "force only".:confused:

UsEr-X-:fett:

[Jiro Kage]

It would be so easy if the hit detection were better. But as it is now, I vote NO to your dumb petition.

If hit detection worked properly, then this might not be an idiotic statement.

[Bacon00]

I vote no - this is a dumb petition. I doubt they will take it out in a patch... it adds some excitement.

Stop inventing things to whine about.

[zufuss]

idiotic? you result to name calling with absolutely nothing to back yourself up with. Your the ****ing moron.

Its NoForce duel, and it should be No saber throwing either.

Btw yea it suuuure would be nice if they fixed collision detection..but their not gunna ****ing do that. They might try and find a workaround the Heavy Stance Jump Attack sooner or later, but i doubt they will care to find a fix for every other collision imbalance in the game and there are alot.

So keep dreaming, but right now and probably for a long while, it would take 2 seconds to code out saber throw.

[Bacon00]

*gasps in horror*

NO FORCE??? WITH SABER THROWING??

HOW DID THEY RELEASE SUCH A FAULTY PRODUCT???

It's there because it gives people an offensive move against heavy attacks. Otherwise you'd never be able to hit someone swinging at you with heavy. It's there for balance.

Again, stop inventing things to whine about.

BTW - you're not going to get near the "yes votes" to make this a legit. complaint. Trust me.

[zufuss]

I and many other players see no need for saber throw, but enjoy the ocaisonal duel and see no reason to spend it on saber throw(which is good for nothing other then duels in that it spends so much force power ANYWAY).

In duels you dont use your force power. Therefore the only thing your force gets used for is Regen after saber throw, which is utterly rediculous. The saber throw plays little part in the game itself as is, to be that important in a duel.

And its ridiculous to wast 18 force points for 1 ****ing skill to use in a NOFORCE ffa duel.

[Bacon00]

ROFLMAO

USELESS IN THE GAME? SABER THROW?

I'm sorry, but that's one bad, bad comment. If you have any idea what you're doing or talking about, you'd know that throwing the saber is up there with "most useful tactics" in the game.

Stop. Inventing. Things. To. Whine. About.

[zufuss]

The didnt invent saber throw for heavy stance. Gezuz.

They didn't even properly beta test ****ing heavy stance, or they would known it was WAY unbalance to begin with. They must have used absolute newbies who didn't even know how to perform special moves to test multiplayer.

Find a real argument against it, not something as stupid as it was put in there to defend against heavy stance thats rediculous in itself.

[Bacon00]

Now you're just ranting about the game and the big-bad game developer.

I'm not even dignifying these idiotic remarks with an argument. I'm sorry, but you're just here to piss and scream about the "terrible" game.

[forethought]

I disagree, I use it occasionally to spice up the duel, and I also use it against the Heavy Stance One Hit One Kill wh*ores, as it teaches them a lesson.

I hope that in the patch they give the server admins the option on which Force Powers they want to allow, and under what circumstances (normal gameplay and/or duels), and also to have these options listed under Server Info so people know the specifics about the server they join.

Edit: Aren't the lightsaber stances based on Force points, so if you weren't allowed to use the Force, does that mean you would only be able to use the Medium Style? (I always make sure my lightsaber offense and defense points are maxxed out, so I don't know if this is the case or not)

[zufuss]

The moment someone uses it in multiplayer full force its a BEACON SIGN for push, the only thing its good for is nailing somone running away, and there pull for that.

Dont even let me bring up dark side forces either, dark side can trash a saber throwing faster then anything. After he throws his saber it only takes half the amount of drain to drain him because saber throw uses up so much force. I chase saber throwers around because they are the easiest kills.

The only problem is in a duel where you have suddenly been stipped of ALL forces, and you dont use saber throw and your suddenly stuck in a duel against a mofo whose got a Huge advantage over you because YES its usefull in a duel because suddenly your opponent doesn't have a thing to go on but his skill, but you can't attack at all because hes just waiting to use saber throw.

My god.

[Bacon00]

You're "petition" is going down the crapper, FYI.

[zufuss]

Once again another idiot whose run out of words resorts to name calling. Any you can consider yourself a stupid person for grouping me as a "TERRIBLE GAME" ranter.

Im not. You confronted me on a issue i hold near and dear to my heart and you got owned. So i would shut the **** up and sit the **** down.

[Bacon00]

Nice swear words.

Demonstrates your superior intelect.

[zufuss]

btw i respect peoples opinions and their right to have them. But you sir are a troll and not a very good one at that.

[zufuss]

superior intellect? Where did that one come from?

I curse, its a way of life for me, but i take personaly pleasure in calling you a ****ing retard.

[Bacon00]

Thank you kindly, sir.

But being a hypocritical monkey isn't making me change my opinion about this "matter" you hold "dear and true" to your heart. Quite frankly, that's a bit too nerdy and geeky for me to handle at the moment, and it will take some time for me to overcome the laughter.

[forethought]

Seriously, calm down before you have a friggin' aneurysm...

If you're pouting because you can't attack someone in a duel with your heavy stance to use your n00b one-hit-one-kill move, then friggin' learn a different style!

Seriously though, you sound like you can't take rejection or criticism at all...why did you even start this thread?

[Bacon00]

Agreed.

[VeKToR]

Did you know that using a lightsaber is difficult without the force? Read it up, I'm sure it says that somewhere, possibly in a Corran Horn book.

[Azraelt]

Personally I love to use saber throwing all the time, it's a great way to use the light saber, I would hate it is taken out, you just need to know how to avoid it. It makes you more aware, and instead of just sitting there like statue, you can move, and counter attack while their defences are down. It's a great aspect of the game.
I whole heartly vote NO.
You know, it would be alot easier to tally the votes in this "petition" if you had a poll.
Personally I believe this entire post about taking it out is stupid, and it was a stupid suggestion to make. Why can't people just leave things alone? Just because YOU don't like it, doesn't mean others don't like it either. I hate the rocket launcher, but alot of people like it. So what? Deal with it.

[Territo]

Saber throw should definitly be taken out in duels during FFA. If you could use other force powers during it then it would be perfectly fine but since you can't its a one sided deal. If one person has saber throw and the other doesn't he will most likely win. If you are a decent player you can EASILY run circles around people without getting hit and throw the saber in the meantime. Someone posted earlier that saber throw is the only counter to the heavy stance which is not true at all. If your fast enough with medium or fast you can get in hits and win. :lsduel:

[zufuss]

light only buddy, and i hope you people realise im talking about ffa DUELS not the whole game.

there are more then enough good people out there who use light, your just to busy complaining about the heavy stance all the time.

[Bacon00]

And you're just too busy inventing stuff to whine about.

You don't want to accept the FACT that it's left in "no force duels" to counter heavy stance. I don't care if you don't like heavy stance, I don't care if you don't like throw. It's there to make heavy swingers think twice about lifting their arms up for all to slice. Without it, you'd have to get close to a heavy swinger to inflict any damage.. and you DON'T want to get close to heavy swingers.

Calm down and listen to my argument before you start calling me names again, please.. it's frustrating when you do that.

And there is already a way to take it out.. just set force recarge really, really high so that you don't get more than like 2 throws (or 2 jumps for that matter).

Keep it in duels I say.

[S!TH!NAT0R]

I agree with Bacons last 10 replies-LOL!:p :rolleyes: :eek: :p
-Saber-Throw is a necessary skill just like any other move during duels. Hey, while your at it ya Freakin' Einstien....why dont you start a pole to remove the Strong-Stanced 1 hit kill moves too!?:rolleyes:
-I am sick and tired of you peeps whining about things inJK][ that YOU don't seem to like because you suck bad. Other than that, alot of members here have posted some pretty good valid arguments of aspects of MP that need Ravens attention bad!!;) :D

[zufuss]

it should be completely taken out of FFA dueling.

even 2 hits is more then enough to offset the duel's balance more then enough.

Now if i played no force TEAM DM or no force DUELING where EVERYONE gets it...its not a problem.

But in FFA Duels not everyone has it, and its a major disadvantage. And all you want to do is get a nice duel in a couple times during your FFA game, and you don't EVEN get that.

[Plan9]

I think people REALLY, REALLY need to read a whole post before replying. He is ONLY talking about removing it from FFA DUELS. Dang people, he never once said he wanted it out of the whole game. As it stands, its just something that is really annoying in duels. I believe the only reason you are allowed to use it in duels as its grouped in the category with both lightsaber offense and defense, and therefore isn't counted as a real 'force power'.

I can live with it in duels, its just something thats really annoying, seeing as its the only force power that can be used. Obviously in duels people are going to have full force, and it just encourages them to backpedal and throw their lightsaber over, and over, and over again.

And Bacon00: I read your arguements, I'm calm, and I still think you're an idiot. I think that it was an oversight being left in, and something that was not properly tested. Again thats not FACT (you are far too quick to claim your opinions as such), but just my opinion. I think it'd be nice to be removed from duels; but it wont kill me if its not.

[Bacon00]

Once again, agreed.

Please, don't take this personally. You posted this topic, and you should be able to accept the arguments. If you can't handle it, don't post.

True, my first post was kind of hostile, but I didn't intend it to be. I shouldn't have said "dumb" petition.. I ment to say "useless" or "not needed."

But I kinda doubt that's why you started a mini-flame war.

[zufuss]

Yes i suck bad because I enter a duel and suddenly get stuck with a constant saber thrower and have NO defense against it accept crouching or looking down. You are a moron as if that wasn't already painfully obvious by your use of general statements that are COMPLETELY wrong.

[Azraelt]

Ok so what, everyone doesn't have that. Too bad, people choose what they want to use. I know you cannot use any other force powers in dueling, other then force jump and saber throw. Hey, you know what, sometimes a heavy stand saber hit knocks me down. I don't think that is fair since, I use medium and I can't do that. Should we take that out? I know I have the option to change to that stance, but I don't like to use it and I am not good with it. It's the same thing.

Oh and you have a defence against saber throwing... it's called moving, counter attacking, changing to a stance that can deflect the shot. Saber throw is so easy to counter, I am at risk each time I use it. It's balanced out. You can get some great hits in with it, but you can also take some serious hits. I have been in duels with examples of both scenarios.

[zufuss]

yo i didnt start a hostile petition. I get out of a game were as usually my dueling experience during a FFA gets COMPLETLY ruined, and post a rather valid argument. Although its miniscule its definately HAS way more subtsance then 99% of the posts on this board.

Your the one that got hostile, and personally i enjoy arguments, you just happened to start this one. You might want to think twice about your word choice. I know you don't go around all day calling other peoples ideas dumb if you did im sure you would learn pretty soon that **** dont fly.

[ArtifeX]

Originally posted by zufuss
Yes i suck bad because I enter a duel and suddenly get stuck with a constant saber thrower and have NO defense against it accept crouching or looking down. You are a moron as if that wasn't already painfully obvious by your use of general statements that are COMPLETELY wrong.

Sorry man, gonna have to go with Bacon00 on this one. Saber throwing is far from useless and needs to be in ffa duels. If you don't like it, you can always go find a nf duel server.

Here's a thought: if you don't have saber throw yourself, try not accepting the duel challenge. wow. that was hard.

[OOO]

I vote a big NO!


You DO realize that without his saber, a saberist is 100% vulnerable to any and all incoming fire from guns and other sabers.

When a guy throws his saber at you, he has kindly DISARMED himself for you :)

OOO

[funkyeire]

this seems to have gone to ****, but for the
record, i'd vote no

[zufuss]

Yea if i get griped, sure i dont have that. But i have absorb. I have push. I have things to counter it. When i go into Duel mode in a FFA game i get jack ****. Its was a complete imbalance put into the game, and maybe its miniscule, but it be a fast fix and would go along way with other people who agree as i do.

Sure they know about the big stuff, but they still should listen to other problems.

As if they don't know they have a problem with heavy stance already. If it wasnt a issue in beta, they sure as hell know its a big problem now.

[Con. Snake]

Please.

[Bacon00]

Sorry for the multiple posts..

but plan, I believe that you are too ignorant to accept that people's arguments may be based in facts. And please wait before you hit that reply button to cuss me out. Read on.

If you didn't have saber throw in FFA duels (which I know he's been talking about the entire time. Perhaps you should read the entire posts?), the heavy stance people would be able to attack unmolested, without any concequences for their one-hit kills.

With throw on, you can counter this massive attack. It's only logical, and I bet you $100 if you asked Raven, they would say that FFA duel saber throw was left in for this balancing reason. It makes perfect sense, is logical, and balances the game very, very well.

People complain about no balance, but when they are presented with a prime example of it, they start spittin' piss about how their one-hit attacks don't work all the time. Granted, that's not the main argument here, but that's why throw is left it. And if you are a half decent duelist, you will discover that throw's are very easily blocked, and leave the enemy open to a counter attack. No Force duels also have force jumping - should we take that out too?

You people are too quick to judge this as being a mistake. Just because it defeats you on occasion doesn't mean it should be taken out. People believe that they should win ALL THE TIME, and that if they die, there's something wrong with the game. That seems to be the general vibe I get from this post, anyway.

And do you really think for one moment that they didn't know they were programming saber throw into FFA duels? They didn't just accidentally "leave it in." It has to be coded in.. stuff doesn't just magically appear in the games. Every little detail is coded, discussed, and talked about.

And please, let's grow up and discuss this with a bit of matureness.. calling me an idiot right off the bat doesn't make me want to calmly discuss the matter with you.

[zufuss]

It plays no part in Duels in FFA mode. It may play a part to you in other aspects but within Duel itself it has NO place. Like I said before there is no balancing out, if i dont have saber throw and hes a saber throw *****...im off in a bad way, with NOTHING to counter it.

At least in noforce mode everyone has saber throw.

[forethought]

Dude, if someone throws a saber at you you either:

1. Move to the side
2. Stand and block it
3. JUMP (either straight up, back, to either side, or *shocking tactic* AT THEM!)

There are ways of avoiding a saber throw. Just because you can't get around them don't go crying about having it removed from duels. If you don't like the way someone fights in a duel DON'T ACCEPT THE DAMN CHALLENGE!

Are we even thinking when we post here, or is it a spur-of-the-moment-I'm-in-a-pissy-mood type thing?

[Bacon00]

Zufuss, I pretty much just apologized for being hostile. But it seems that you can't accept this and want to keep the flame war going.

What do I say to that?

Bring it on, I could use a good laugh.

[zufuss]

Im not talking about the "sit around and watch it fly at me" throw.

You get in close start attacking and since at close distance you cant really tell if hes saber throwing anyway he suddenly slices you 3x and you like wtf. Meanwhile you take a step back and all thsi time his force has been regenerating and hes got another 2 throws locked and stocked and ready to send hurling at you the moment you swing at him from 2 feet away.

[Bacon00]

Once again, sorry for the multiple posts.

Zufuss.. are you telling me throws are unblockable?

What do you use your force points on?? Put some on defense... saber throws RARELY hit if you have any clue what you're doing.

Go back and read my big long post... especially the part about people thinking there's something wrong with the game whenever they die (aka screw up aka suck).

[Azraelt]

Exactly, a number of people(including myself) have stated several times that there are numerous ways to counter the saber throw, that are so simple. And yet you continue to say there is no counter. Are you actually reading these replies, or do you just continue to make baseless assertions?

[D66]

Bacon00



All I have to say is... Dead on 100%


Bravo!!!

[forethought]

Originally posted by zufuss
Im not talking about the "sit around and watch it fly at me" throw.

You get in close start attacking and since at close distance you cant really tell if hes saber throwing anyway he suddenly slices you 3x and you like wtf. Meanwhile you take a step back and all thsi time his force has been regenerating and hes got another 2 throws locked and stocked and ready to send hurling at you the moment you swing at him from 2 feet away.

Uh...how about throw yours back at him, since he's defenseless until he gets his saber back.

If you're that close, why don't you try to roll past your opponent in an attempt to get behind him and circle strafe/hack ths sh!t outta him?

It is becoming apparent that you don't know how to duel very well in the first place...

[Bacon00]

*gasps once again in horror at someone using something other than the left mouse button*

Dude, don't accept duels then. Don't stand so close to them. Throw yours at them. Jump up, kick them down, run away, don't give them time to regenerate force, etc. etc. etc. This is what I like to call a "duel." This may be a new term to you.

DUEL
**Please take a moment to contemplate it's 4 letters and complex meaning.*

There are so many ways to counter this move it's not even funny. You're just too intent on having the game changed and fitted to your exact liking, since you can't seem to figure it out the way it is.

Seriously, how long have you played? 1, 2 duels? I can't imagine anyone who's done 15+ would be whining about this.

[zufuss]

heh more then you can imagine. And the only problem ive ever had is with saber throw. Sure your gunna block it when you aren't attacking but he aint gunna throw untill you attack. Your only problem is you dont play enough to understand how duels are with this occurance.

[D66]

I AM SICK OF THIS
It's In The Game
DEAL

[forethought]

Originally posted by zufuss
heh more then you can imagine.

Somehow I doubt that...

And the only problem ive ever had is with saber throw. Sure your gunna block it when you aren't attacking but he aint gunna throw untill you attack.

Here's a hint genius, DON'T ATTACK UNTIL YOU ARE RIGHT UP ON YOUR OPPONENT. Do you start your attack from ten feet away?
Then you deserved to get ripped a new one. I have played many, many duels, and I know how to deal with consistent saber throwers, heavy one-hit-one-kill users, etc. so I suggest you spend a little bit more time dueling and a lot less time b!tching.

[Bacon00]

Zufuss, you're an ignorant brat. How old are you, like 12?

"More than you can imagine"

What kind of half-assed comback is that?

"Your only problem is you dont play enough to understand how duels are with this occurance."

And using my OWN ARGUMENTS AGAINST ME?

Please. If you want to get me rethinking my opinions, you gotta come up with your own arguments.

[Azraelt]

I to have had many duels, including a tournament which I won with 57 wins- 2 losses. So, I know a thing about dueling. From my perspective, your argument is very... well for lack of a better word, stupid. You need to get some more experience, I can think of 8 ways to block a saber throw off the top of my head right now.
You need to consider the stratigy involved in dueling, it's not just flailing your saber wildly expecting to hit something. There is so much more. You should read over the example of people here, they have very good comments. After you do that, go out and get some practice and come back here and try to actually convince us with facts and proof, rather then the baseless assertions that you have been making thus far. I do not intend this message as a flame, but rather as a suggestion. You have not convinced anyone with your arguements. Please stop with the postings until you have done what I said above and what the others have mentioned.

[zufuss]

a tournament? You played a FFA duel tournament? maybe you dont know what im arguing about there.

This isn't really about anything else then the often random duels once participates in a FFA game.

[Bacon00]

Oh please. You didn't even read half his post zu-fussy.

I'm not going to even humor you with a re-explanation of what he just said. Or, maybe I will just for the sake of having you come back with another "witty" remark:

He's saying that he knows how to block saber throws. It's the SAME THING in tournoments as it is in FFA.

SAME. THING (if force powers are enabled, which it sounds like they were.)

So, he's saying that he knows how to block saber throws, unlike your ignorant self.

Stop this insanity zufuss. Your petition has gone to hell... you have no argument. You are done, as am I.

[Azraelt]

No, it was a Duel server, with very limited powers. I have also dueled ALOT in FFA dueling. Dueling is all I do. Anyways, instead of challanging my comment, how about you follow it and do what I suggested before making more arugments. Right now you are not giving us a good image of yourself. From what you've written I've gathered your about 13, Poor in school, poor in games, please for your own sake, follow the suggestions.

[S!TH!NAT0R]

Give it up zupuss:rolleyes:

[zufuss]

duel server dueling is way off topic here. you havent dueled much in FFA, which if you notice is what im talkign about. In duel servers everyone gets throwing sabers.

[Bacon00]

He just said he HAS dueled a lot in FFA. And dueling on duel servers is EXACTLY (repeat: EXACTLY) like FFA duels. THERE IS NOT DIFFERENCE. I'll repeat that again as you seem to need things repeated to you 10 times.

THERE IS NO DIFFERENCE BETWEEN FFA DUELING AND "DUELING DUELING" IF FORCE POWERS ARE ENABLED.

read the entire post before you start your mouth off again.

Be a man and admit defeat when it slams you in the face. You are just creating enemies here, no friends.

I am sick and tired of you challanging EVERYTHING EVERYONE SAYS. You don't think before you post. You obviously don't read everything that people post. You just whine and cry, spit and piss. It's annoying, frustrating, and really, REALLY funny.

Grow up or shut up. You are not adding any intelligant comments, just pointless, hostile arguments to people that are just trying to be constructive. I tried being nice, but my semi-apology and attempt to calm this down obviously went over your hot head.

I'm expecting yet another absurd argument again from you, because you aren't a big enough person to admit that perhaps you were incorrect. If you continue to argue this, it will just firm my opinion that you are an ignorant, self-absorbed brat.

[Territo]

Yeah that true, you can avoid the saber throw if you do that but you won't ever get in an attack that way, it will just leave one player throwing the saber and one constantly dodging. Unless they both have saber throw and use it against eachother constantly. I use heavy stance a lot but saber throw is not the only counter for it, when other people use heavy stance you can wait for their full swing to go through and charge in with medium or light. This is a fact because I have duels all the time with and without force. Like I said earlier though, during FFA duels saber throw owns very much, I bet I could beat anyone if I had saber throw lvl 3 and they didn't. I'll just run backwards, strafe, do circles, whatever it takes to stay away from him and throw the saber which is bound to hit sometimes and they won't ever get near. I don't do this because I prefer to have an actual saber fight and I don't even like saber throw. If other force powers can be used in FFA duels then it would be balanced out otherwise it would be nice to restrict it in FFA duels.

[Territo]

My reply was to this by the way

Dude, if someone throws a saber at you you either:

1. Move to the side
2. Stand and block it
3. JUMP (either straight up, back, to either side, or *shocking tactic* AT THEM!)

There are ways of avoiding a saber throw. Just because you can't get around them don't go crying about having it removed from duels. If you don't like the way someone fights in a duel DON'T ACCEPT THE DAMN CHALLENGE!

[Territo]

Sorry to post 3 times in a row but I just saw this.

<<<He just said he HAS dueled a lot in FFA. And dueling on duel servers is EXACTLY (repeat: EXACTLY) like FFA duels. THERE IS NOT DIFFERENCE. I'll repeat that again as you seem to need things repeated to you 10 times.

THERE IS NO DIFFERENCE BETWEEN FFA DUELING AND "DUELING DUELING" IF FORCE POWERS ARE ENABLED. >>>

There is a difference because you can NOT use force powers during a FFA duel, thats what makes the saber throw own. Sure if you could heal or drain right after it being throw all would be dandy.

[zufuss]

wow someone intelligent enough to understand what im talkign about. Its not a complicated thing to understand. And yes i can take actions to avoid it but when i have no saber throw and they have level 3 its kinda hard, especially if their a real saber throw *****, which it is NOT hard to be.

they just don't understand what im talking about its as if they have never played a FFA duel before and yet repeatedly affirm they play it all the time? wtf.

[Emon]

A petition for no saber throw in duels?? HAHAHA! OMG, you think Raven would remove it?? It's one of the coolest features!

If your getting your ass kicked by saber throw, then you sir, REALLY SUCK. All you have to do is stand to block it. Having trouble with an excessive saber thrower? Switch to the light stance and charge the bastard and kick him down. The light stance blocks most everything even while running.

The duels aren't supposed to be NO force, it's supposed to take out the force powers to make it more movie like. In the movies and books, the Jedi battling are concentrating on dueling with their lightsaber, they don't worry about using lightning to zap their enemy or choke them to death. Only traditional Sith lords do that, because they don't use saber at all.

Saber throw is left in because it's part of the saber combat system, not part of the force combat system.

[zufuss]

THERES A SLIGHT PROBLEM THOUGH.

ITS FFA IF I DONT HAVE SABER THROW I DONT GET TO USE IT IN THE DUEL.

DO YOU PEOPLE UNDERSTAND THE WORDS THAT ARE COMMING OUT OF MY MOUTH.

This is especially prevelant on servers with jedi knight setting where you dont have much force points to waste, just to blow 6 on saber throw so i can even the playing feild during a short duel.

[Con. Snake]

I see the "Dodge and Counter Attack" concept still eludes you even after many attempts by the smarter board members to explain it to you. To be honest, I just stand there idle when a saber is thrown at me - by just standing there, it deflects back, and only take damage 1 in 10 times, even then its only 5 damage. The only time I dodge is when its thrown past me, then I move in and kill before he can retrieve his saber.

Look, it's not the game's fault you can't do simple counters, it's not Raven's fault, it's not the other player's fault. It is Your fault, and soley your fault. If you can't deflect/dodge a saber throw, then you sir, suck. Get some skill, Get a life, or preferably - both.

[Azraelt]

Yes, I understand what your saying, we've been through this, and we've discussed this, and you just don't seem to be able to comprehend our message properly. I am not going to try to explain it, due to the fact you don't read my replies fully and often confuse what I am saying. So I'll leave this burden on bacon's shoulders(sorry bud), maybe you can finally get it through your stubborn skull if he tell it to you. He'll go through it all really slow and maybe he can draw some pictures for you aswell.

[Twins of Doom]

i know this has already been said but just to ad to the stupidity of the post..........
if somebody throws their saber at you
a) stand their and block it
b) jump
c) move to the side

it's so easy to block it's stupid, the only time you can't block it is if your swinging, and you really shouldn't be mindlessly swinging your lightsaber hoping to hit so it shouldn't be much of a problem considering hte fact that a hit on medium will do more than a saber throw

[Emon]

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[Twins of Doom]

Originally posted by Emon
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ROTFLMFAO

i'm gunna have to put that on the ASC one too........with your permission of course;)

[acdcfanbill]

i dont get your point, your mad at the fact that the other person throws at you, when you yourself can throw at him, but, for some unknown reason, you decided that sabre throw was and unneeded power,and alloted no force points to it??? maybe you should try alloting force to your throw, i usually max out all of my sabre stats and jump, before putting power elsewhere, this whole game is about the sabre, so teh forces that deal with it would defently be most important, right?? and if you play on FF servers, how can you not allot force to the throw, you have force points coming out of your ears :D

[Valdarious]

Remove Saber Throwing In FFA duels Next Patch
I vote no, when they get a patch, hopefully the force disable options will be fixed and this wont be an issue, find a server with throw disable. I dont want to be forced by someone elses thoughts on how they think the rules should be and I hope you feal the same way. If you dont then I dont know what to tell you.....

[toolboi]

Ok.. lets look at this argument:
There should be no saber throwing in no force saber duels because there should be no force (well I dont remember hearing anythign like that, but Ill take your word).

possibillity one: You suck at dodging sabers, or dont know how to use them, so it gives others an advantage over you. Thus you dont like it. Im gonna credit you with more than this and assume 2

Possibillity two: You are arguing about a little thing that makes no difference any ways. Thus a pointless argument.

Ok, im being an *******, but Im REALLY sick of listening to people whine about little things.

If you could use other force powers during it then it would be perfectly fine but since you can't its a one sided deal

Sorry, I dont see how this is one sided. Its a force power that everyone can ahve if they choose it, if youve chosen another power over it then it gives you an advantage in other parts of the game.

even 2 hits is more then enough to offset the duel's balance more then enough.

Yes, if you leave your self open.
SO DONT LEAVE YOUR SELF OPEN!
It is REQUIRED for heavy stance folks (as the hit detection totally kills your change to take them out).

[Sartis]

Zufuss = Navaros?

[=GrimM=]

You keep crying that the others have an advantage cause they chose to put points into S-throw and you didnt. Your the one who chose not to invest in it so deal with the consequences.

And I dont think that s-throw should fall uner the category of a force power to begin with, but thats a different rant.

[Jobabner]

that's bull****

[Wraith 8]

Hi all....

Im not a JKII player but i do read a lot of threads here to get some insight. my comment has nothing to do with the conversation of the saber throwing.

I just wanted to say that Zufuss has to watch out what he is saying. you are lucky that this board is realy busy or you would have been banned by now. if this were Galactic Battlegrounds, you would be gone with your first post. in Rogue Squadron you may have lasted one thread..... but i think you better watch it or your out of here... for ever...

just a heads up.

[Elmo O.o]

go blow a goat zufuss. dont tell others how to play this game. u dont like saber throwing go cry us a river.

PETITION: ZUFUSS JUMP OFF THE BRIDGE PLS.

[Canis_Aureus]

I didn't even bother to read all of this lame thread. I read what the first guy wrote and will just coment on that.

Light stance doesn't block saber throw??? You are sad indeed! Whenever someone uses saber throw against me I switch to light stance and deflect every saber they throw. I just make sure that my saber is where theirs hit. It's no problem at all... so stop making up all this nonsense just so you can whine about something YOU find lame because it kills you.

I am so damn tired of all you whining children here. The sadest part is that you don't even comprehend the insignificance of your oppinions. SO STFU K THANX!

Here is a list of things people finds lame.
1. Saber throwing
2. Weapons
3. Heavy stance
4. Light stance flailing
5. Grip
6. Pull/Push
7. Drain
8. Lightning
9. Heal
10. Kickflip
11. Not bowing
12. Duelling in FFA
13. Cheap kills
14. Killing people with light sabers off
THE LIST GOES ON FOR CRIST SAKE

ALL of the above have been mentioned here and people have been whining and crying about it. WTF do we have left then. Are we going to kill each other with bowing and 1337 sp34k untill our opponent dies from boredom??? SO STFU K THANX!

Some of the problems mentioned are indeed problems and I am sure they will be adressed in the patch... But NOT everything... OK? SO STFU K THANX!

It's really annoying comming here and seeing all these moronic threads where people whine and cry about things they have not even tried to actually THINK about. SO STFU K THANX!

If you get your ass kicked just try for a second to imagine how in the bloody hell EVERYONE should be able to be number 1??? There WILL be someone better than you! There will be someone who uses different tactics than you! And these tactics might just be better than yours! You can customize your way of playing JK2 and that is really great... But noooo some people will just come here crying and whining like bloddy children who had their last candybar stolen from them... SO STFU K THANX!

JUST STFU K THANX!

And just another thing

STFU K THANX!

Oh and did you know that EVERYONE can have saber throw? Use points on if you like. If it isn't worth using points on from your point of view it seems really stupid to claim that it is imbalanced? Just plain stupid. If you use all your points on lightning and drain or whatever THAT is YOUR choice! SO STFU K THANX!

Saber throw is needed to combat the flailers and the heavy special. Removing it would cripple the gameplay... if you can't comprehend that JUST STFU K THANX!

"Waaahhhh I don't want to use points on saber throw because I want lvl3 lightning and drain.... waaahhhhh no one else should be able to use it.... waaahhhhhh ...." STFU K THANX!

But wasting words on a thread like this is truly a disrespect for the fact that humans can indeed communicate in a way much more complex than ... say monkeys. I am sorry about that one thing. Everyone would show great respect for the human language by replying to future threads like this with the simple words:

STFU K THANX

[funkyeire]

i think we can sum everything up with one symbol:

:violin: boo hoo--get over it
and not just you Z--anyone who whines about aspects of the game that they themselves could choose to practice...cheating is ofcourse taboo--but anything else is fair game as far as i'm concerned...so let's uh, stop bouncing this thread--sorry i have to in order to say all this...:rolleyes:

[Trienco]

Originally posted by OOO
[B]You DO realize that without his saber, a saberist is 100% vulnerable to any and all incoming fire from guns and other sabers.

You DO realize he's talking about ffa duels? dont know where you see guns and other sabers there.

btw. even worse than the whining is the whining about whining or the whining about whining about whining...
if you dont like the thread and consider it whining: DONT ANSWER. i thought everyboby who spent more than 10min on a forum realizes that this way they will just disappear within hours.

but the 'mature' reaction seems to be to insult and tell people to stop whining or stfu. discuss or discuss not, there is no.. hm.. whatever.

[Khaydarin]

I dont think this should be allowed. I usually dont use saber throw, because with force its useless, and on noforce you can't throw your saber (i should hope so right?).

Here ' s a tip for you ZUFUSS !!!!!!!! NEVER TRY TO CATCH SOMEONE' S LIGHTSABER . Do you understand???? That s not a toy!!!!!! It s VERY PAINFULL!!!!!!

Legend Of Khaydarin.

[RabidPlatypus]

oh jesus I can't believe some of you people and your ignorance.

First I'd like to get something out, saber throw is not the only counter ot the heavy special. I NEVER use saber throw, and whenever they use the heavy special I just time my swing when they land in MEDIUM stance, and land a hit. I have beaten a TON of heavy stances using only the medium stance. You need experience, you need to know your enemy. Since I used to use medium stance I know all its weaknesses.

Second of all, sure saber throw is easy to counter, but how are you going to dodge saber throw AND attack at the same time? That's right, you can't. Let me give you a little situation that happened to me yesterday:

Duel in FFA, a guys only attack against me was saber throw, he did nothing else. I was dodging left and right getting out of the way of the throws but I could never catch up to the saber thrower. This is once again in medium stance, I finally catch up to him and take a swing, the first swing hits the air so I combo into my second swing, as I"m doing that he saber throws. Since i'm so close he gets his sword back instantly, and then he rolls away. This is how he killed me, whenever I took a swing he would saber throw and roll away. It takes a small amount of timing but within an hour of practicing you can have that move perfected and its impossible for the other person to catch you. With no force speed, pull etc. to aid you. If someone can name me one way to counter somebody who can roll away and never let you catch them, explain it to me because I must be missing something.

Some of you are just blind fools that can't see how horribly balanced saber throw is without other force powers to aid you.

[Elmo O.o]

platy u can accompany zufuss in jumping off the bridge.

[PurplWulf]

If someone can name me one way to counter somebody who can roll away and never let you catch them, explain it to me because I must be missing something.

Some of you are just blind fools that can't see how horribly balanced saber throw is without other force powers to aid you.


ok I can name one way, and probably a few more after that.

but to meet your quota, try throwing your saber at them as they roll, it goes alot further and faster than any other attack and can easily catch someone whose rolling around.

also you can still force jump when in an FFA duel, so you can strafe force jump to where they are rolling to and hit them with an attack.

you can roll forward yourself and keep up with them at least, since the roll speed will be the same for everyone when no force is involved.

the purple one

[RabidPlatypus]

throwing saber at them as they roll.... no I don't want to do that because I don't want duels to turn into a saber throwing fest. Rolling to keep up with them doesn't work because there is a short delay after you roll that gives them time to strafe away.

Your only valid point is the force jumping, which is the only possible way I can beat them. It still fails sometimes though, because once again they can just roll away. Some of these duels have lasted 15 minutes for me, just dodging and trying to get that hit in. I feel really cheap using saber throw to kill them.

[RabidPlatypus]

Originally posted by Elmo O.o
platy u can accompany zufuss in jumping off the bridge.

What a wonderful statement, backed up with amazingly logical evidence against my claims, how can I fight back, it is futile!

[Elmo O.o]

oh yes u puny ant bow before me!

[PurplWulf]

well as mean as this may sound, you DO have the option to fight back with an effective tool, by choosing not to use saber throw, you are the one creating the imbalance. the options are there for you to use, if someone else is allocating their foce powers for saber throws, and you want to be able to effectively counter them, you need to do the same.

I suck at sabering, but it's still the only thing I do in JKII I don't use any other weapons, and I've managed to discourage many a saber thrower, by dodging their shot and nailing them with a throw of my own by getting in fairly close. they are completely exposed while their saber is spinning around trying to catch up with me, and since I'm close to them, I can hit them with my saber while they have no defense, and have mine back faster than them. if you do that once or twice, I find they really think twice about trying to use the throw near as much.

this is just in my experience, so you can take it or leave it, but the choice IS yours, you just choose to leave things harder on yourself by not using the throw.

the purple one

[Elmo O.o]

^^wut the purple guy said.

Originally posted by RabidPlatypus
throwing saber at them as they roll.... no I don't want to do that because I don't want duels to turn into a saber throwing fest. Rolling to keep up with them doesn't work because there is a short delay after you roll that gives them time to strafe away.

lol u see this is ur problem. do it gainst them too... coz aparently u have this "honor" that really sucks pig wang.

[DarkEra]

Why don't you also take out force jump, and only allow medium stance in a duel. That way, everyone is the same. :rolleyes:

[Arrghman]

Originally posted by RabidPlatypus
throwing saber at them as they roll.... no I don't want to do that because I don't want duels to turn into a saber throwing fest. Rolling to keep up with them doesn't work because there is a short delay after you roll that gives them time to strafe away.

Your only valid point is the force jumping, which is the only possible way I can beat them. It still fails sometimes though, because once again they can just roll away. Some of these duels have lasted 15 minutes for me, just dodging and trying to get that hit in. I feel really cheap using saber throw to kill them.

if all you did was constantly try to attack them in the same way over and over, then you deserved to lose... you're just as repeditive as those you claim to dislike.

do you know what would happened if you threw your saber at him when he rolled? he would think "gee, when i roll i get hit. maybe i shouldnt do that!" and then he would *change his stragedy*. in this game of JK2, every single problem that people are complaining about is rooted in the fact that they want to play in only one certain way, and thus their own stragedy is horribly rigid... theres no room for growth. if you dont want to use saber throw, fine, dont use saber throw. but other people will, and by not using it yourself you are putting yourself at a disadvantage.

when i first started playing, i ran into that problem a lot... people throwing their sabers at me while i was swinging. but instead of whining and complaining, i adapted my own style to defend against it. and guess what, it worked. if this one guy keeps rolling away from you when you swing, then it sounds like you're not going fast enough... so try using light stance. light stance can be very deadly if you actually direct it instead of running around in circles.

you want everyone else to adapt to your playing style.. but thats not how it works. if you can't stand the heat, get out of the kitchen...

[Bronzefist]

Umm,

Keep the saber throws in FFA duels. The main problems with FFA duels right now are not the sabre throws, but the ability to use bacta canisters and stock up on shields before the fight.

Bacta canisters should NOT be allowed during dueling--thats total BS because both duelers should be on equal terms. Extra shields should NOT be allowed during duels either. You could be dueling someone with over 100 shield points while you have none. does that sound fair?

The main reason I use saber throwing is to beat the heavy stance unblockable. I've dueled against people who do NOTHING else but this move and its VERY hard to hit them afterwards because of this moves screwed up hit detection.

I know this discussion isnt about No Force duel servers, but I encourage you guys to try them somtime. Once you run into a heavy unblockable user there is little to nothing you can do to counter him after the unblockable.

Peace,
Bronze

[PurplWulf]

ummmmmm FFA isn't supposed to be fair, it's supposed to be survival of the fittest.

I don't think raven put in the saber challenge to let people have "fair" fights during FFA, it's just a way to still be able to saber against one other person, 1 on 1, without others interrupting, and may the best saberist win.

if you're on an FFA server, you must know that some people are going to have more health, different force powers, more shields, or maybe even a force powerup.

if you suspect someone of having a decisive advantage over you in a duel, don't accept the saber challenge. if you do accept it, then do your best to win, use every move available to you as it's needed, and may the best saberist win. Or, if that doesn't appeal to you, go and get extra health/sheilds/bacta cannisters yourself and level the playing field.

the only place I know of where fights are supposed to be fair, is on duel servers, that's why you start out with the same health, same shields etc... when you respawn, those fights are designed to have each opponent start off with the exact same health and sheilds and force powers, and no interruptions from other players.

FFA is just that, it's a free for all, anything goes (barring cheating of course) and may the most talented or most creative player win.

the purple one

[Longshanks]

Nah...sorry,crap idea.

If your not skilled enough to dodge saber throws...then im afraid its your tough titty.

If you wonna play at star wars without the force,i suggest you leap around the back yard with a brightly painted bamboo cane.Instead of trying to impose your will unto others.

[Fyunch Click]

Is this thread still going?

Yeesh...

Either learn to dodge or learn to block. Not hard really. either move or do nothing.

[Sartis]

Dodging Saber throws is cheap. I would like Ravensoft to remove rolls/jumps and even movement when a Saber is thrown at you.


/sarcasm off.

[Jiro Kage]

Originally posted by Sartis
Dodging Saber throws is cheap. I would like Ravensoft to remove rolls/jumps and even movement when a Saber is thrown at you.


/sarcasm off.


I will sign that petition, it's definitely unfair you can move when a saber is thrown at you!

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Oh wait, it was a joke. Hahahaha, yeah that's a good one dude!
:D

[mima kake]

The solution for saber throwing is
that you should be able to throw but it shouldn't
boomerang back
so you have to pick it up

I don't use the force when i throw things so...

[Taicat]

I also vote NO.

Fighting a thrower is not just about 'skillz', it's also about strategy. And that makes it a challenge.....

If everyone were to use the same stance, and fought in the same manner, this game would get boring real fast. I feel the fact that there are options such as throwing adds that extra bit to make the game much more enjoyable.

Yeah, you have people who abuse a certain 'move' (be it throwing or something else), but so what? If they're a one trick pony, you should be able to develop a strategy that will take them out. If not, you've got more work ahead of you.....;)

I think the original poster prefers FFA duels for the same reason that I do: the unpredictability. You never know what you're in for, until you're in it. Where we differ is in our feelings about throws. I just think it adds to the experience (and I've lost my fair share against this type of player - I've also won too).

[Rogue74]

Hey while were at it lets remove the lightsaber because a lot of people in the JEDI KNIGHT game like to dominate with guns.

Next lets get rid of the rocket launcher because a lot of people use it. Come to think of it let's put the flechette launcher and repeater rifle in there too.

The Force powers have to go to because some people use them way to often.

Um, ok, let's get rid of the explosives because everyone who drops them and Force jumps is "cheap" or "gay" so they gotta go too.

We'll have lots of fun with the Bryar pistol and Stormtrooper rifle!

[Sartis]

long live the stun baton

[moby323]

Is there an aspect of this game that you guys WONT complain about?


Force Drain, heal, heavy saber stance, grip, saber throw- sheesh, get a life and learn to play the game.

[Azraelt]

Ok, I think we've made our point, the overwhelming votes are for NO. Can we get a mod to lock this thread? It's only turning into a flame fest... well more so.
Good Day.

[Trienco]

Originally posted by PurplWulf
I don't think raven put in the saber challenge to let people have "fair" fights...
and may the best saberist win.


hope you realize you're contradicting yourself. obviously in that case it's not about the better saberist but who spent more time picking up powerups.

also, let's have a short crash course in game design. if your players have more than one option, make sure no option is better than another option. if they have to decide dont punish them for the decision. what would you say if you could pick a class and one class would be superior? it would be bad design but some would probably just say 'stop whining, play the better class'.

and especially jk2 is interesting to watch. you would expect the more experienced and skillful player ending up 1st, 2nd, 3rd but instead it's people using newb-tactics. why? because a trained monkey can use them and only a skilled player can defend against them. no matter what you say, that's pretty much the definition of 'not balanced'.

btw. is it just me or does it seem that you loose your saber a lot more often in sp? a lot of times i throw it and it just ends up on the floor and you have to pull it to get it back. thats never happening in mp.

[GalacticBulge]

Emu is the pork of the future.

[Elmo O.o]

omfgz teh stun baton rawr :D

[PurplWulf]

hope you realize you're contradicting yourself. obviously in that case it's not about the better saberist but who spent more time picking up powerups.

not at all, there's only a contradiction when someone else puts their own fatalism into my statements. I was dueling in FFA just yesterday, and had mega shield pickup, full health, and my opponent was only at 100 health, 100 shield, he still kicked my ass, and on my own server to boot where my ping was literally "1" to his 200 ping. he had better moves and better strategy, his timing was excellant, and he beat me 9 out of 10 fights because he was the better saberist.

let's not confuse having an "advantage" with being "invincible"
there's a huge difference. you could give someone with no skills all the advantages and people with true skill will still find a way to beat them.

if you choose to give up the fight just because someone else has an advantage, that's your choice, but there's no point in complaining about it. Some people take that disadvantage and find ways to work around it, and the game is that much better because of those people. They develop new moves, new tactics, and new strategies that eventually improve alot of other people's gaming skills as well.

Sure it's easier to just say, "well that's unbeatable so it should be removed from the game", but not everyone has that mindset, some of us like a challenge, and like to find ways to overcome it.

Some of those ways have already been discussed here and immediately dismissed by the people advocating this banning of the saber throw... the question is why? It obviously works as a good counter, but you CHOOSE not to use it. Is that our fault? or the games flaw??? No, it's your CHOICE.

the purple one

[Fyunch Click]

BRAVO Purple 1!

Very Well Said. I commend you for your well thought out reasoning. If more people approached gaming the way you did there would be less cries of "l4mer" and "che4ter".

Thank you for saying what needed to be said.

Perhaps you should just post that as a new thread for everyone to read and maybe we can stop these endless threads on so called lame tactics.

[Territo]

Well obviously the person who doesn't have the shields and bacta tank can still win but the point is it would be better if it was absolutely fair. I don't really mind it that much because I can beat almost anyone in dueling but when you have a bacta tank on your side it can change the tide of the battle.

Too many people refuse to have anything change, hey some things might be for the better so don't bash everyone who brings up balancing issues. I'm just going to take Blizzard Entertainment for example, patches are released for their games quite often to fix not only bugs but balancing issues. Now that JK2 has been out for awhile there may be a few things that can be changed for the better so think about that before you call everyone whiners and complainers. There is no doubt that some of these people are just plain bad and lose to a player who owned them with a certain ability and hench they think its cheap but not always. :lsduel:

[Trienco]

Originally posted by PurplWulf

not at all, there's only a contradiction when someone else puts their own fatalism into my statements. I was dueling in FFA just yesterday, and had mega shield pickup, full health, and my opponent was only at 100 health, 100 shield, he still kicked my ass, and on my own server to boot where my ping was literally "1" to his 200 ping. he had better moves and better strategy, his timing was excellant, and he beat me 9 out of 10 fights because he was the better saberist.

yes, he did so because he was a MUCH better saberist. if he would have been just a bit better you would expect that he should still win but if he has to land 50-100% more hits that wont happen. maybe i shouldnt see a duel as a test of skill where both players are on equal ground, but in fact i would even (during the duel) strip both players of their shields and increase health to 100. not only because the 1 hit kill wouldnt be so much better than a regular red swing (you need 3-4 if he's 'maxed out').

the better saberist will only win if it's a fair duel. the more advantages one player has, the bigger the 'skill-difference' has to be for the other player to win.
so it probably just depends on what you want to duels to be.

[PurplWulf]

Territo wrote:
Well obviously the person who doesn't have the shields and bacta tank can still win but the point is it would be better if it was absolutely fair. I don't really mind it that much because I can beat almost anyone in dueling but when you have a bacta tank on your side it can change the tide of the battle.

granted, I don't think a single person here is saying there is no advantage gained by having Bacta available, but that's just like saying, "Bacta should be removed from the game because some people grab it before a duel, or already have it, and it's not fair to me because I don't use bacta at all, I find it cheap"

ok, this person finds it cheap, but they DO have the option to use it, they just choose not to, that's not a balance issue, it's a common sense issue IMO. If you're going to deny yourself the same opportunities that others are using, how can you go around saying it's not fair, when it's your choice?

Too many people refuse to have anything change, hey some things might be for the better so don't bash everyone who brings up balancing issues.

once again, agreed, if there is a legitimate balance issue, it should be addressed and received with open minds, but ultimately it's Raven who'll decide what gets fixed in a game patch. Once the tools are released I'm sure we'll see dozens of mods that are "supposed" balance fixes, but again, I still don't see how you can call someone refusing to take advantage of the items in the game, or the moves that come with the game a "balance" issue. It seems to me that's a choice issue, one that individual made, and then wants to blame others for.

There is no doubt that some of these people are just plain bad and lose to a player who owned them with a certain ability and hench they think its cheap but not always

based on the arguments I've seen here, at least for this particular subject, I'd be inclined to lean towards that being the major factor here. Most people don't seem to have a problem with the saber throw, and rightfully so. Nobody is forced into accepting a challenge from another player, it's another choice that they make. If you find someone that challenges you, or you challenge, that doesn't play in a way that you find enjoyable, simply decline any future challenges they offer, and stay clear of them when possible on the map.

Luck plays a factor in any game, as does Lag, Packet Loss, Computer Speed, Location, Reflexes, Mood, Attitude and countless other variables. The minute you fire up your game you're setting yourself to be at a disadvantage to someone out there who has one or all of those factors in their favor. If you tried to ban everything that gave someone an advantage, there wouldn't be anything left to play.

the purple one

[GRIMLOCK]

i don't get any of this.
personaly i've only been playing between myself and a friend.
light stance blocks just as well if not better than the others because of the fast recovery (its the stance i use!)
Heavy is easy to get past, ya know, while they swing you can let your saber settle down or take a few slashes in till they finally let the blow go.

as for the petition, i vote flat out no.
mostly due to seeing Zuf's pretty blowouts.
hes now on my troll list of people to ignore.
but also because.. i think force throw, like jump, is a should have.
i don't use it myself to often, but the jedi has the saber, now why shouldn't he be able to use it in more than just a slash attack?

[forethought]

Originally posted by Territo
Well obviously the person who doesn't have the shields and bacta tank can still win but the point is it would be better if it was absolutely fair. I don't really mind it that much because I can beat almost anyone in dueling but when you have a bacta tank on your side it can change the tide of the battle.

Too many people refuse to have anything change, hey some things might be for the better so don't bash everyone who brings up balancing issues. I'm just going to take Blizzard Entertainment for example, patches are released for their games quite often to fix not only bugs but balancing issues. Now that JK2 has been out for awhile there may be a few things that can be changed for the better so think about that before you call everyone whiners and complainers. There is no doubt that some of these people are just plain bad and lose to a player who owned them with a certain ability and hench they think its cheap but not always. :lsduel:

Bacta in duels is a double edged sword, sometimes, when I'm on a server with a few people who are willing to just duel, I'll come out of a duel and will have very little health, only to be challenged and when the fight starts, I'll have to use that to get my health up, because the other guy is starting at 100 (I don't always get to use it before I accept the challenge as some people are trying to hack at us so I accept so I won't be cut down).

I will say, however, that I would be more content on a system to where if two people enter a duel their health is automatically boosted to full with no shields, and at the end of the duel the victor's health and shields are set to what they were before the duel. As it is now, some servers have it set to where after a duel you have full health, others not...I'd like to see a consistent system.

[F**kOffRegister]

Is there a poll for this question, it'd be interesting to see the result. Saber throwing never bothers me personally, its easy to block (even with light stance) and it's the best tactic for heavy stance users who can't switch to another stance.

[Con. Snake]

if you dont like the thread and consider it whining: DONT ANSWER. Logic continues to elude this forum I see. See, The thing is, when Raven goes looking for **** to put in the patch, if no one but the few people that agreed with this were posting, Raven wouldn't know of the overwhelming majority that is against it. Preserving the game for as long as we can before the whinny *****es get everything nerfed just like every other game.

[Twins of Doom]

Originally posted by Bronzefist
Umm,

Keep the saber throws in FFA duels. The main problems with FFA duels right now are not the sabre throws, but the ability to use bacta canisters and stock up on shields before the fight.

Bacta canisters should NOT be allowed during dueling--thats total BS because both duelers should be on equal terms. Extra shields should NOT be allowed during duels either. You could be dueling someone with over 100 shield points while you have none. does that sound fair?

The main reason I use saber throwing is to beat the heavy stance unblockable. I've dueled against people who do NOTHING else but this move and its VERY hard to hit them afterwards because of this moves screwed up hit detection.

I know this discussion isnt about No Force duel servers, but I encourage you guys to try them somtime. Once you run into a heavy unblockable user there is little to nothing you can do to counter him after the unblockable.

Peace,
Bronze

then get your own bacta canisters and shield boosters:eek: WHAT A GOOD IDEA!

anyways, it's not meant to be equal (did anybody say that!?) it's meant to be survival of the fittest, like real life:eek:

[StormHammer]

...it's good to warm my bones beside the fire... (Pink Floyd)

And what a lot of flames there are. :rolleyes: At least my marsh-mallows have toasted nicely.

While Zufuss may disagree with or not wish to read some of the more positive feedback, and possible strategies, other members seem to have taken to flogging dead horses with flaming brands.

Sorry people, but flaming and insults are not appreciated here. Feel free to disagree with someone else's opinion, and state your reasons...but there's no need to descend to name-calling and flame-baiting. It does no one any favours. If someone is unwilling to shift their POV, then simply refrain from posting any further.

Zufuss...I have to say that I feel you've dug your heels in. Some of the other members offered some constructive feedback and advice in countering the saber throw, but you dismissed their arguments out of hand. If there are existing counter-measures to the move, then it is a simple matter to employ them. If you choose only to fight a certain way, using a particular stance, then I can only say that is your choice. There is an old adage, fight fire with fire...so if someone is exclusively using this tactic, then give them a taste of their own medicine. Also, I would imagine the last thing you want to do is prolong such a battle, and personally I would use any tactics necessary to take that person down. If you have defined your own particular code of combat...well, I'm sorry, but a lot of other players don't recognise honour, etc., and it would be unfair to the majority of players to remove a feature from the game simply because some players choose not to adopt the move, or employ some of the counter-measures.

Secondly, you also stated that you are quite happy to hunt down and score easy kills on saber throwers outside of duels. So what is the problem? If you lose in a duel, you can just get your own back later...

It's sad to see a thread descend into this kind of chaos, and it really leaves me no option but to close it. :cool: