View Full Version : My take on an evil kyle...

04-16-2002, 06:03 AM
Well, not so much evil as just a little more stylish. :D
Really, seeing all the dark side kyles kinda disuaded me from making my own, but I though I'd throw my hat in the arena anyway.

It's a pretty heavy modification to Kyle's old outfit.

I could explain it... or just show you.


A lot of the detail is lost because of the smaller body shot, but it is there. I tried to match the quality Raven put out.

He's got a leather/pvc patch on his arm, leather torso/shoulder armor, two eyebrow piercings, a scar, blue eyes, darker (and modified) pants, modified boots and modified pauldron as well as overall being darker. His gray hair is gone too!

No download yet, he's still in progress, but ingame he looks, well badass. :)

Comments are of course welcome.

04-16-2002, 06:05 AM
Looks great!

The Truthful Liar
04-16-2002, 06:56 AM
Nice work. Very consistent with details as well. :thumbsup:

D'akt Sangwar
04-16-2002, 07:10 AM
Nice work. Very consistent with details as well. :monkey4:
:sweating: :horn:
god i love monkey island
i grew up with those games :)
i looooove that music

Rajess MoDuron
04-16-2002, 10:48 AM

04-16-2002, 02:28 PM
Yah...A very good skin.
A "dark" Kyle without pale skin and a mad expression is a lot more to my liking...No doubt.

I think he needs a few more gold parts.
On his belt, gloves and pants.

04-16-2002, 02:43 PM
i like it. he doesnt look scared out of his mind like the others. the eyes are much better


04-16-2002, 03:51 PM
That skin is awesome. Great job. :D

Evan Nash
04-16-2002, 04:09 PM
I like it.

I would make the eyes more "evil" tho.

Dark Jedi don't usually have normal eyes.

Make em like, white-blue or something.

Or PURE black.

04-16-2002, 04:16 PM
nice joB!

04-16-2002, 05:09 PM
quote :
Originally posted by Evan Nash
"Dark Jedi don't usually have normal eyes."

Uhm...That is only your "dark" theory...eh ?
Human dark jedis differ not a bit from other humans...apart from using dark force, that is.
Such would be my theory on the topic.

Thus far we have not seen many dark jedis that were anything other than aliens or technically augmented humans (Vader)...
But I hardly see why dark force should change the appearance of a creature (other than for cinematic dramaturgy, that is).

I would assume you may have drawn such a statement from some books, Nash ?

I still dare to be certain that no book has stated it a matter of "dark force law" that every user of dark force has his eyes changed.
Am I correct ?

04-16-2002, 05:25 PM
Thanks for the comments, gents. :)

As for the eyes, I suppose that if one is corrupted enough by the dark side it could change his appearance, though that is really doubtful. Wouldn't be suprised if the dark jedi changed his or her appearance to suit their dark disposition. For axample, tattoos and piercings...

But for the most part a dark jedi human isn't going to look any different than a normal jedi human... as far as I know at least.

04-16-2002, 05:34 PM
yay Vandori! good to see you here, man. There seems to be a latent DOD undercurrent in the JO community.... guess we appreciate good games :)

Wes Janson SMR
04-16-2002, 05:45 PM
Hell no!!! For the love of all that's sane in this world, keep the eyes!! My god! Keep the eyes!

This skin is excelent in every respect - ESPECIALLY the eyes. Don't do a thing with them. They're perfect.

That's one badassed Jedi you have there.

Wes Janson SMR
04-16-2002, 07:00 PM
Is it done yet?!?!?!

04-16-2002, 07:12 PM
This is an amazing skin! Two thumbs up! :thumbsup: :thumbsup:

04-16-2002, 08:41 PM
I would say it goes above and beyond a lot of Raven's stuff and definately more so than most of the stuff on these forums. The only thing I would change is the belt, maybe make the same style as the patch.

Wes Janson SMR
04-16-2002, 08:50 PM
Vandori, you say that this skin is incomplete...but then, I can't understand what you could possibly do to improve it.


04-16-2002, 08:50 PM
Definatly one of the best so far
Awesome work there buddy.
Me want... oh yeah me wanting it pretty bad. lol :)

just one sugestion... try doing just a goatee without beard on the sides... Like the Dark Kyle from MOTS.

I kinda agree that you should put a lil' more gold onj the lower body... like the pants or something like that or reduce gold on the upper part.

But these are just sugestions... I would want it as it is anyway :)

Once again great work.
The details are excelent.

Wes Janson SMR
04-16-2002, 09:10 PM
No, no, no! Beard's fine the way it is. And here's why: Kyle's head has the beard physically rendered - not just his facial textures. So even if you "scrape" away the beard, the player model's head will still have the beard-like physicality to it. In other words, Kyle's face will look fatter than it should!

Leave the beard alone. It's GREAT!

04-16-2002, 10:14 PM
I definately think it is perfect as is. Very impressive and I can't wait to use it.

Do you plan on submitting it soon to jkII or can you submit it on here? I'd really like to get my hands on it.


04-16-2002, 10:27 PM
very very nice.....wow......no matter what anyone tells u keep the eyes....they are what give him personality......baby blue on a dark jedi unique and you made it work very well...anyways keep up the good work...

btw....nice skin =P


Hell Raiser
04-16-2002, 10:51 PM
I dub thee, Bad Ass Katarn! Serious sweetness! I like it! :thumbsup:

Wes Janson SMR
04-16-2002, 11:02 PM
I'm... I'm going to explode if this dude doesn't release this skin soon...

04-16-2002, 11:07 PM
was just thinking the same thing wes =P

04-16-2002, 11:12 PM
If you are the same Vandori, whom is credited some of DoD's finest player skins... Then I'm a very happy person to have you skinning for JK2.

As for your skin.. Very very cool.... And the coolest part.. its not -just- a dark Kyle.. It would work as a light-side Kyle too.

Props to you Van.


04-16-2002, 11:34 PM
The skin is coming along nicely. I've so far adjusted the belt, played with the boots some and am in the middle of playing with his bracers.

I should be finished with it pretty soon. Maybe another day?
Not sure, we'll see how it goes.

Anywho, Fyre, I am indeed the same Vandori from the DoD skinning scene. Cool to see my name gets around. You're right, too about this skin working for dark and light jedi. That's kind of what I tried to do. (Not to say that I won't make a white clade version too)

I probably will just put it up on JK2.net... I don't really have another host to use. But they seem pretty prompt about putting the files up.

Thanks for the comments everyone!

On a side note, this skin looks really, really good with the orange saber color in use. I'll try to get some screenshots later to show you. :D

04-16-2002, 11:43 PM
so very very nice.....works really good with orange saber?....im really starting to like u vandori =P anyways guess for something of this quality another day isn't so bad....

Wes Janson SMR
04-16-2002, 11:45 PM
Man, hurry.... If anything, I'll host the darn thing!! Nice and prompt!

This...This skin is amazing!! We must have it!! No more screens... Just...Release!

Heheh. Pardon me for sounding like an ass. But it's really good. I hope you can have it up by tomorrow. And if you really do need a host, I'm right here. Anything to get this skin sooner! '-)

04-16-2002, 11:56 PM
what he said, minus the ass parts.....and the hosting thing.

Infinity Blade
04-17-2002, 12:43 AM
Actually, when it comes to the dark side of the force altering appearances, it may be possible. While it has yet to be seen what caused Emperor Palpatine to be the way he was in ROTJ, He was very bumpy, and his eyes glowed orange.

My first guess would be the dark side has twisted his form. It's not proven what caused it as of now, but many assume the same.

And as far as the skin is concerned, I concur it looks nice. However, the color of eyes and look of the face don't really convey evil/dark to me, and seems more like just a good guy in black. I also find some of the gold a little much and I myself would prefer it without the shoulderpad, but that's just my opinion.

And while this is a good skin, it doesn't really suit my style.

Keep up the good work.

Wes Janson SMR
04-17-2002, 12:56 AM
Well it sure as hell suits mine, and everyoen else on this board.


But on a serious note, he shouldn't change a thing. It can work both ways. It's not canon that says the Dark Side always changes your appearance. Just look at Saris from JK. She's a Dark Sider, and she's not ugly. She's not a hottie-hot-hot-hot, but she's not bad on the eyes, either.

And looks can be decieving. Looking innocent on the outside, but lose your guard and you're toast.

And Palpatine/Sidious from EP1 didn't look deformed. Remember that in EP1, Palpie was already an old fart. 30 years later in RotJ, he's anchient. The Dark Side keeps him alive. By all rights, he should be dead - maybe that's why he looks like a corpse.

Vandori, my man. Don't change a thing. Don't take out any of the gold, don't change the eyes, don't change the face. If you do so, I'll refuse to download it. I think I speak for the majority when I say the skin is perfect. The gold highlights are fantastic. Different. That makes it cool.

04-17-2002, 12:59 AM
As always, everyone's taste will differ. I like the gold, it's not something you see every day. As for the eyes, same deal. Plus it makes for a nice contrast.

I agree with you on the way of dark side warping, if you consider the Emperor and his appearance. It could very well have been because of heavy influence from the dark side. I dunno though.

To quote Fyrestorm though, "It's not -just- a dark Kyle.. It would work as a light-side Kyle too." This was intentional, he could go either way. I didn't want him entirely evil or full on good-guy.

Anyway, keep up your work too. You're doing well too. Your version isn't my style, but it's good none the less. :)

Wes Janson SMR
04-17-2002, 01:02 AM


04-17-2002, 01:06 AM
yes yes wes is right..... i would call this skin near perfect in everyway... but its your creation and you should do what u feel makes it better..... this skin is by far my fav and the best i have seen so far... IMHO its almost to godlike =P


Infinity Blade
04-17-2002, 01:51 AM
I never said the dark side ALWAYS alters your appearance, just that it can, but that's really beside the point. I never said he should change it, and it's a good skin. I just like my evil to be prominent, and that's just my preference. If you're gonna go dark, go all the way I say. But I do like the way it could go either way here.

I like the creative texture reuse and the way he altered them. If I have to say there's any problem that I truly find with it, is that the shoulder texture is not aligned from front to back. A minor detail to be sure, but I myself find it slightly distracting.

I know it's probably one of the least things you wanna do, (I know, had to align the shadow front with my altered backpiece), but I personally think it would add a tad more polish on an already great skin.

Wes Janson SMR
04-17-2002, 01:58 AM
.. Mmm... I'll need to start making myself some finger-less gloves.. Heheheheh..



Vong Warmaster
04-17-2002, 04:21 AM
Bravo... great work there Vandori. That has to be the best skin released so far, and it probably will stay the best skin for some time. I agree with most of the people here, your skin is perfect, you don't need to change a thing.

Wes Janson SMR
04-17-2002, 05:07 AM
Is it done yet?!

Ernst Röhm
04-17-2002, 05:20 AM
Incredible. The face work is....wow.

04-17-2002, 06:10 AM
hrmm.... by my time itss 3 hours past yesterday effectivly making it another day..... yet i seen no skin =P lol sorry had to post once more before bed



Wes Janson SMR
04-17-2002, 06:12 AM
Heheh. I know whatcha mean. It's 4:14 AM where I live....


Is it out yet?!

Wes Janson SMR
04-17-2002, 03:21 PM

Is it out yet???

04-17-2002, 07:14 PM
you makin me cry :( .....lol release it... i can't stand it anymore =P

Wes Janson SMR
04-17-2002, 07:46 PM
I hear ya'...

04-17-2002, 09:20 PM

who loves ya... muahahahaha

Wes Janson SMR
04-17-2002, 11:17 PM
Is it done yet??

If it'll get it released sooner, my offer to host the skin is genuine.

04-18-2002, 01:29 AM

anything new?

Wes Janson SMR
04-18-2002, 01:47 AM
This is really starting to piss me off....

In a good way though. ;-)

04-18-2002, 04:10 AM

Vong Warmaster
04-18-2002, 05:56 AM

Is it out yet...

I guess not

04-18-2002, 12:42 PM
I finished the skin, I'm just dragging my heels. (I was gone all day yesterday) I'll get it sent in pronto.

Wes Janson SMR
04-18-2002, 02:08 PM

04-18-2002, 09:39 PM


Wes Janson SMR
04-18-2002, 10:26 PM
Er... Where is it?

04-18-2002, 11:03 PM
Wes, you post too much.

04-18-2002, 11:09 PM
I'd be posting a lot too if I was a Wampa :p

04-18-2002, 11:19 PM
nothing wrong with Bantha Fodder!

Ya, and when is the skin coming out? I forget what it looks like now....

04-18-2002, 11:24 PM
Originally posted by Lime-Light

nothing wrong with Bantha Fodder!

lol .... :( no skin...

Wes Janson SMR
04-19-2002, 12:22 AM
I post, because I care.

Now... Where's Vandori's skin?!?!

Vong Warmaster
04-19-2002, 01:30 AM
nooo... the skin's not out yet...

I can't deal with the wait... I'm going out of my mind...

:nut: :elephant: oh look, I'm surrounded by pink elephants... :elephant: :nut:

04-19-2002, 02:01 AM
I sent in the Singleplayer variation already. Should be on JKII.net soon...
The Multiplayer version (with ctf colors) will be out as soon as I work out the last kinks.

Wes Janson SMR
04-19-2002, 02:06 AM

*waits patiently...for once*

04-19-2002, 02:10 AM
That looks like kyle after he took a hot beef injection.. could you not make him soo furity. I mean whats next hooping earings??? next you'll be submiting kyles life partner robot weelo

Wes Janson SMR
04-19-2002, 02:16 AM
Having fantasies, I see. '-)

04-19-2002, 03:03 AM
I really like his cloths. They almost resemble the cloths that JUDGE DREDD was wearing in the movie, but with out the shoulder pads.

04-19-2002, 05:07 AM
think im gonna cry .... :(

The Truthful Liar
04-19-2002, 07:29 AM
hahha, yes good job - You should have put up some more screenshots INGAME though... oh well =(

04-19-2002, 05:45 PM
Wow that Skin is great but i'm still not seeing it anywhere:swear:where is it. I NEED IT!!! :duel: <-there fighting

04-19-2002, 05:52 PM

04-19-2002, 06:08 PM
I wannit I wannit I wannit, is it on jkII.net yet???? huh huh huh I seem to have missed this thread completely and thats one kick ass skin, I'm agreeing whole heartedly with wes here , lol, release it and let it flourish, oh and the eyes were fine, and dont listen to gonk he jsut seems to post criticising ppls skins, lol, I wannit I wannit I wannit

Wes Janson SMR
04-19-2002, 08:23 PM
Man, the waiting game sucks!

Vandori! I'm completely serious about the skin hosting. My server can take the bandwith, dude. No charge!

04-19-2002, 08:35 PM
Alright Wes, I'll bite, this delay is getting bothersome. JKII.net is being slow about it, so let's speed up the release. :cool:

Drop me an email and we can get something set up.


04-19-2002, 09:46 PM
sweet ..... :D

04-20-2002, 02:44 AM
i may beable to get it hosted on my server if you wish... its on my home computer, its usually up 24/7, maybe down an hour, but will be back up, almost never down, speeds arnt the best, but i guess nott he worst, running on cable currenly(maybe swtiched to dsl in am onth.. but til lthen lets hope u can get a better host:P)
and then u can post link here for all these impatanet people, btw its a great skin, just drop me an emil if ur interested aboutt he hosting
murtaza911@hotmail.com (please subjexct it somehtignt o do with "skin hosting" or somehtign like that!):D

Wes Janson SMR
04-20-2002, 02:48 AM
It's up already. I posted this earlier today. ;-)


But keep that enthusiasm! '-)

04-20-2002, 02:55 AM
I saw the other thread before this one, so I'm kinda repeating myself when I say I agree about the face looking better than the other skins' :D. The other evil kyle skins, the face looks so scary. I wish that people would also make good kyle in the cool outfits too, but that's just me. :) Also, Im glad that he's got black gloves on; one of the other ones coming out doesnt.

Darth Draugmahl
04-20-2002, 03:00 AM
I for one think it look exceptional. I'm a skinner of very small skill personally, and this thing looks awesome. It would take me months to get even close to something like that and how you guys whip that **** out in a week or 2, sometimes days, floors me.

Wes Janson SMR
04-20-2002, 03:07 AM
You and me both.

It humbles me to see skinners like Vandori...and Blade. ;-)