View Full Version : Update on my "Dark Kyle"...

Infinity Blade
04-16-2002, 09:44 PM
Well, I have this skin mostly complete. I tried to get some good shots that show how well it looks in game, but it's hard with JO's Funky lighting system.

I can have a light in front of me and areas like the neck and waist can be very dark on darker skins, yet on lighter ones the face and shoulders will be so bright it blots out most detail. I've tried to get a decent blend so that in most lighting scenarios it doesn't look too bad.

And since modview is popular with giving screens, I've included an in-game at deathstar vs. modview screen. The actual lighting and look will be somewhere in between for most areas in the game.


The textures are mostly done, as are the team versions of the skin. The face has more added detail and some reworking of the tone and brightness, as well as a darker glow to the eyes. The back texture has been altered to look more like an armor plate and less mechanical. And finally, I've converted it into team skins, and made all the appropriate changes to make it an SP or MP skin.

Here are some pictures of my first JO skin. I would have to say it looks better in motion and while playing, but I'll let you decide yourself.

Facial Detail Comparison (http://wat.midco.net/eggnog1/dkylecompare.jpg)

Modview vs. In-Game (http://wat.midco.net/eggnog1/mviewcompare.jpg)

Front Body Detail (http://wat.midco.net/eggnog1/dkfront.jpg)

Back Body Detail (http://wat.midco.net/eggnog1/dkback.jpg)

Saber Stance Shot (http://wat.midco.net/eggnog1/dksablit.jpg)

Kyle Comparisons (Original, Dark, Dark Blue, Dark Red) (http://wat.midco.net/eggnog1/kylecompare.jpg)

I'd still like to hear any opinions about it, and hope you enjoy this skin once I release it. I want to tweak it till I feel it's ready, but hopefully soon it should be available if anyone wants it.

04-16-2002, 09:48 PM
Good god. Very lovely detail, that's all I can say. :D

04-16-2002, 10:13 PM
I dont usually post... I'm only here to look and marvel at what people can do with what they have and i must say this is stellar work.

The only thing i could think of is once you've released this... perhaps you could do a light side version with the same armor and such.. Its really quite good. Kudos to you, ill be looking for this one.

04-17-2002, 12:13 AM
kind of off topic here, but why did Raven animate kyle with that wierd slouch when he uses the lightsaber, is he that old? He has back pains now?

Wes Janson SMR
04-17-2002, 12:30 AM
Actually...Kyle's only supposed to be in his late thirties-early fourties in JKO. He's early twenties during DF.

Don't know why he has gray hair. Maybe because of his brush with the Dark Side.

But man, does he have baaahhd posture! What's worse, all the characters have the same back problem! It's an epidemic of scoliosis!! ;-)

04-17-2002, 12:36 AM
yah whats with that slouch...... i know that saberhilt doesn't weigh THAT much......

04-17-2002, 12:56 AM
Hey, I had some gray hair when I was 17, age doesn't mean nothin'. :P

But WOW...I can't help but oogle at this skin! The eyes from a distance make it look like his eyes are closed though...still, a really small thing.

Wes Janson SMR
04-17-2002, 01:11 AM
Hmm.. That's true. I actually have a single gray hair, and I'm 19. My 18-year-old cousin has a uge patch of gray on his left side. And my friend actually has a receading hairline at 18!!


Wait a second..

What the hell is happening to us???

04-17-2002, 02:11 AM

04-17-2002, 03:55 AM
It's the eyes,... They kinda stare back at me while I'm shaving,...

04-17-2002, 04:23 AM
Ooo I like it! The texturing is great, I look forward to getting it.

Wes Janson SMR
04-17-2002, 06:09 AM
Man, so many great skins!!

I really can't wait for Infinity, here, and Vandori to release their Dark Kyle skins. Two wonderful, masterful pieces of art.

Infinity, Vandori, keep it up!!!!

When's release?!

Infinity Blade
04-17-2002, 09:20 AM
Ahhhhhhhhh... Just back from work. (I hate working nights.)

Well, all I really have to do now is redo the team skins and pack it. There was one last thing I was thinking about trying for a tweak, but I don't know if it'll turn out at all.

That and I need to think of a name to call it, but it should be ready soon.

The Truthful Liar
04-17-2002, 10:32 AM
Nice... but the Chest and arm parts are from the Shadow Trooper skin... so yeah...

Wes Janson SMR
04-17-2002, 03:20 PM
Is it done yet??

Wes Janson SMR
04-17-2002, 07:28 PM
Is it done yet??????!!

Infinity Blade
04-18-2002, 12:21 AM
Am almost done... skin is ready to pack, icons are made for MP on default and teams, set up a quick way to switch the SP version of this skin on and off, tweaked a few textures and made team versions, and have come up with what to call him.


I'm having a problem with the face texture lighting. When in game, the texture line between the face and head isn't blending well.... I think i've got it solved, but will take another hour at best to solve.

But since you're waiting so patiently, I'll give you an updated shot.

I present to you..... Dark Jedi Kyle.


Wes Janson SMR
04-18-2002, 12:29 AM
Ooooooohhh.... Intimidating...


Ack.. I think I just soiled myself.

04-18-2002, 12:32 AM
the blood vesels in his eyes look like you took a thick brush in MS Paint and blotched them in, otherwise it kickass

Wes Janson SMR
04-18-2002, 12:33 AM
Nah, this thing is kick-arse.

Infinity, you have a place to host?

Infinity Blade
04-18-2002, 01:33 AM
Well, as far as the eyes go.. it wouldn't be too far off. Yet, it was done this way on purpose.

As we all know, the eye texture is very small. I originally tried to go with a more veiny look, but when in game the eyes looked more like they had a Big pinkish red splotch in each corner, or nothing noticeable at all. With the blood shot, it should look more hazy then anything. So, trying to get a more decent look, I did this:


This is half the eye texture blown up 400 percent. On the right is a screen in-game at cg_thirdpersonrange 20-30.... It turned out to be more the effect I was wanting this way.... There's a haze and it can be noticed, but isn't a total blotch. I'm not sure exactly how you could make it do better than that, but someone might someday. I just felt that a detail so small wasn't worth THAT much hassle. :)

It's virtually ready to be sent out now.. I'm just semi-bothered about a tiny lighting detail in game. It affects the regular kyle model but not quite as much.. I was just trying to figure out a way around it. I've improved it.. but.. well.. see for yourself.


This is the most noticeable angle for this problem. Not that horrible, and most people probably don't care... but I'd like to try a thing or two more before I give up on it. It's not that bad with most light angles, and when playing or just sitting you probably wouldn't care... I dunno...

But besides that.. it's ready.

Here's another shot for ya!


As far as hosting... I have a tripod account, and am going to make a wepage for my various things, but have yet ot complete it. I'll probably just submit it to JKII.net for now, and maybe setup a small tripod page as well...

We'll see....

Wes Janson SMR
04-18-2002, 01:45 AM
Dude, anything to get this gem released sooner! '-)

As far as your liting problem goes, it's not a big deal at all. All the models are that way.

On a side note, those pics are from Multiplayer, right? Man, I wish we could do that taunting motion in SP.

But it's a fantastic job, Infinity. I can't wait to download it.

04-18-2002, 01:52 AM
sweet goodness....you freaks need to hurry =P

man i wish i could actually do something worth a crap skinning wise.... so many ideas so little talent... anyways keept up and hurry hurry =P

Infinity Blade
04-18-2002, 02:19 AM
Well... am working on it right now... Just got done testing it in Single Player to make sure it works.. I guess I'll release it now.. I wanted to do something about that lighting, but doubt there is really much to be done with the way the model is.. perhaps when the tools come out. (HINT RAVEN!!!!)

Well.. while I get this bad boy ready to ship, here's a few screens of Dark Jedi single player goodness.

*Warning* Images contain saber dimemberment. :)

I Hate you Jan..... (http://wat.midco.net/eggnog1/hatejan.jpg)

Your pathetic skills are no match for me! (http://wat.midco.net/eggnog1/punyskilz.jpg)

Goodbye Jan. (http://wat.midco.net/eggnog1/byejan.jpg)

What a mess. (http://wat.midco.net/eggnog1/mess.jpg)

Shouldn't be too long now.. have to go to work in two hours, so either tonight or tomorrow morning...

Maybe as late as tomorrow afternoon if something comes up.

Wes Janson SMR
04-18-2002, 02:53 AM

04-18-2002, 02:57 AM

Infinity Blade
04-18-2002, 04:57 AM

BAH! My piece'o crap provider has done something screwy to my email account.. so I can't submit the file to JKII.net yet...

I have a free email account as well.. but it's just over their fricking size limit!!!! :mad:

Was gonna try and get it submitted right before I left and have the URL for my temp download site, but as is I gotta run.. And the sad thing is it's in a nice and neat zip file waiting to be sent. Wish I hade just 5 more minutes to upload it.....

Oh well.. I gotta go to work now. Talk to you guys later.

Wes Janson SMR
04-18-2002, 05:07 AM
May ye provider feel the wrath of the Dark Side....


*uses the Force to give bloated gas to the heads of that Internet provider*

04-18-2002, 05:16 AM

Infinity Blade
04-18-2002, 06:39 AM
Well...something came up with work and someone filled in for me. I think I have figured a work around with sending the file to jkII.net.. and I'll have a url up shortly for the impatient to download... :)

Wes Janson SMR
04-18-2002, 12:25 PM

04-18-2002, 02:58 PM

While the skin has been done well, I would consider it a design-failure regardless...

The skin's belly-part is apparently Giger-style...as may be the back...But the rest of his armor/suit does not at all fit to that.

The back part is worst, though...
The used design does not look "correct" in any of his poses.
And it is not as beautifully detailed as the belly.
No matter what...The texture on his back looks like someone has drawn onto his shirt, so to say.

Do not feel offended, infinity_blade...
I only mean to give helpful criticism.
You have done some good work, but the composition appears "hurried".
Time and patience may have done more of that skin.

I only take the time to say this because I am convinced you can do better.

Wes Janson SMR
04-18-2002, 03:06 PM
I thought the back was done pretty well. And from what I can see, the "Geiger-style abs" is a part of an entire undergarment - not a part of the breastplate.

We're all about opinions, though.

Still think the skin rocks!

Infinity Blade
04-18-2002, 04:04 PM
Originally posted by Kijinn

While the skin has been done well, I would consider it a design-failure regardless...

The skin's belly-part is apparently Giger-style...as may be the back...But the rest of his armor/suit does not at all fit to that.

The back part is worst, though...
The used design does not look "correct" in any of his poses.
And it is not as beautifully detailed as the belly.
No matter what...The texture on his back looks like someone has drawn onto his shirt, so to say.

Well, to each their own I say. While it may not have gone as well as it could, the skin meets my visions of it. I was looking to make an evil kyle reminicent of the evil fantasy warriors of swords and sorcery, while overall remaining sci fi and have the original flavor of dark kyle from JK.

As far as the abdomen, it's more meant to be leather padding in this appllication of the texture, with metal plates attached in a muscle arrangement around it.

And as far as detail? It's just the shadowtrooper back and front with some reworking of one line of detail between plates. I felt it fit my purposes well enough, it just depends on how you look at it, and what styles you prefer.

Basically... a blending of Dark Kyle, Sci Fi, Fantasy, Evil, with a wash of simplicity over it.

And while it was rushed, (two days from start to finish with other skins all the while), I feel the design was implemented how I want and looks it good.

Maybe failure to you, myself and some others feel it's not, and that's all the success I need right now. It's all a matter of opinion, and I respect yours and it is helpful when designing... I had more myself in mind when designing it, and it's much easier to stray from what everyone will like when doing that.

I've also learned a lot of techniques to use for JO skinning, and am rather proud of the results for not having skinned JK skins for over 2 years and then doing this while working on others in 2 days.

But besides it all...

I'm happy with it. :)