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Azraelt
04-19-2002, 03:10 AM
I was just wondering, what is up with all the people being so cheap?

I have my saber retracted, I get killed.

I say I am going to duel (username) at (location)
and 3 other people come and start attacking me, even when my saber is retracted they keep attacking, and I do not fight back, they do not stop.

I am running away, with saber retracted, after saying I would meet someone at a location for a duel, people chase me down. Even after I yell "stop I am going to a duel", they still persist.

Are people so desperate for a kill they will resort to anything no matter the cheapness. Isn't it just common courtesy to respect others? I have been playing mp since this game came out and I have only found 3 people who are actually fair, honest, decent people that value respect and enjoyment over mindless killing. Even if you people do not like this type of action, the least you can do is respect the way that I enjoy playing and give me the same respect I give all of you. I won't attack when a person is down on the ground, if I person wants to pause in a duel, I'll go along with it and retract my saber until they are ready, I will not use cheap moves or spam others because they killed me. Why is it so hard for people to stop attacking if I ask them to? I know this is a game and you are suppose to kill each other, but a little common respect and understanding would be nice. I know a few people on this board feel the same way as I do, do you get frustrated when you ask someone nicely to leave the area while you duel? To stop attacking when your saber is retracted? Sometimes when people do these things it really upsets me and i have to use all my of strength to refrain from yelling out in anger.


Anyways, I just needed to let off some steam, thanks for listening to my rant. If your going to flame me, don't even bother, I am not going to acknowledge any person who flames. It will simply be a waste of your own time.

Good Day.
:slsaber:

SPY_jmr1
04-19-2002, 03:18 AM
well what can i say? lifes a b1+c# then you die. dogs bark. fish swim. birds fly. people are idiots.

i say screw the score and just have fun.

btw, from the last line of your post, this was your "gonna blow my stack now" post hearby known as the GBMSN post. felt good diddent it?:D game is so much more fun after this point.

good luck dude

btw do you wanna dual sometime? you sound like a nice person to play with. no for real!;) :D

Jah Warrior
04-19-2002, 08:48 AM
Just gotta say that you aren't alone on this, and yes you are right people do take far too many cheap shots, rest assured if I come up against you I will definitely respect your code of conduct and I know you will do likewise.

have fun mate.

Azraelt
04-19-2002, 12:30 PM
I'd love to duel sometime with both of you, you seem very nice. It's a good change from the "Shut the F*ck up you Whiner!" replies that I have got lately.

Search for me sometime.

Sunday
04-19-2002, 01:23 PM
[LiCk] - DO NOT ATTACK IF SABRE NOT DRAWN
=
Goodness =D
I've been to this server before and nearly everyperson there are friendly and are not cheapass fuc*'s just go there and everyone will respect you! :p

hahadude
04-19-2002, 01:26 PM
Don't put your saber down then. If I see a person with their saber down I kill them for being an idiot. Not to get a kill. Want to deul someone, go to a duel server. Everyone gets too worked up about etiquette and honor. Its a freaking game. If someone kills you, you should say to yourself, "damn, that was retarded of me, I better not do that again."

RiverWalker
04-19-2002, 01:28 PM
see, that is the kinda attitude that gets me against someone... if I have it down and someone comes at me like that, then I will:

1) kick their ass
2) throw them off every ledge I have a chance to for the rest of the time I am playing on that server
3) go after them to kick their ass more.

Lnt. Kechtt
04-19-2002, 01:28 PM
Let me know if you ever see my on the server. Ditto on the duel.

Server Name: Lnt. Kechtt

Azraelt
04-19-2002, 02:29 PM
You are right, it is just a game, but it is also a community and people should respect one another just like they do in real life.
Attitudes like that make me wonder why I don't go to the dark side.

It's sad because most people who act with no respect are normally stupid teenagers who think it's fun because they play too much CS.

DarkAgent
04-19-2002, 02:50 PM
Originally posted by RiverWalker
see, that is the kinda attitude that gets me against someone... if I have it down and someone comes at me like that, then I will:

1) kick their ass
2) throw them off every ledge I have a chance to for the rest of the time I am playing on that server
3) go after them to kick their ass more.

I totally agree dude. Kill me in a cheap way and I will ignore everyone else on the server and target you for the rest of the night (Rocket launcher point blank while your back is turned to me if possible). 2 can play at that game @SS :D
DA :guard:

Kataarn
04-19-2002, 03:00 PM
I would like to point out to all of the so-called Sith...

You would do well to remember that even a SITH doesn't kill an unarmed Jedi. If you attack an unarmed Jedi, all it proves is that you have to kill them when they can't fight back, because there isn't any way you could beat them if they fought you.

Hence, anyone that cheap-kills people, can't play the game anyway.

Taicat
04-19-2002, 03:00 PM
Hey, this happens to me a lot. It's a FFA, so I view it as 'collateral damage'.

So you get whacked. Respawn, and meet the person you wanted to duel......

IMO, chasing someone down for the rest of the map gets you away from what you wanted to do in the first place (duel) so why do this?

I'll tell you what really pisses me off: When I'm IN a duel, some numbnuts getting in the way so I don't have a clear shot at my opponent. Now THAT is cheap.....

Kataarn
04-19-2002, 03:44 PM
How about the newbies that seem to think that they can hit you in Duel Mode? Isn't that rather annoying?

I've just found a server that I love, and am going to stay at. The op is a cool guy, and when there aren't ppl on, there's bots, so I never get bored.

The bots actually have brains too :)

No, I'm not telling which server either.

Lord Nodata
04-19-2002, 05:01 PM
Originally posted by Kataarn
How about the newbies that seem to think that they can hit you in Duel Mode? Isn't that rather annoying?

Guess Im a newb then, cause I KNOW you can hit someone in a deul. Simply throw your saber at them and they will get hurt...EVEN IF THEY ARE IN A DUEL. :p :D

Kataarn
04-19-2002, 05:11 PM
Heh, mebbe only with throws then, because I know for a fact that swings don't hurt me.

You still hear the 'you hurt me' sound, but it does no damage.

Foxbatkllr
04-19-2002, 05:23 PM
I went to the server [LiCk] - DO NOT ATTACK IF SABRE NOT DRAWN and it sucked. I left very quickly. As soon as I joined the game I saw a guy with his saber retracted so I ignored him and went by. As soon as I walked by him, he threw his saber into my back. When I turned around he had turned his saber back off. I killed him. Yep, I killed him with his saber down. He took a cheap shot when I was trying to follow the rules, so I killed that unarmed b!tch and I'd do it again. Last time i ever go to that server. Servers: If you're gonna have rules like that: ENFORCE THEM!

Lord Nodata
04-19-2002, 05:25 PM
Originally posted by Kataarn
Heh, mebbe only with throws then, because I know for a fact that swings don't hurt me.

You still hear the 'you hurt me' sound, but it does no damage.

When you throw your saber at someone who's engaged in a duel with another player, you hear the "you hurt me" sound, and it DOES do damage to them. I've killed people this way....just testing ofcourse.:D

slappyjoe
04-19-2002, 06:49 PM
This whole use of the word honorable is just about retarded.

You can play fairly with people - that doesn't mean honor. People are trying to attach values to a game that aren't there... It cracks me up that people take this light side / dark side stuff soooo seriously in their games.

If you are in a FFA match - don't deactivate your saber without expecting to get hammered. And Hell, if they do attack you because you're waiting around for some honor duel, whip your blade out and take them on. IT IS A GAME.

Now, I am not advocating that everyone runs around without showing respect to the other players. The online community needs to show each other respect when playing for sure. But bowing and all this other stuff... if that's what you want, create your own server and dictate the rules. If I join that server, I will play along (I may not bow, but I'll allow you to do your ritual). Don't join someone elses server who is running a wholesale slaughter game and expect everyone to be Luke Skywalker.


(PS> Respect for me would be attacking someone with their lightsaber off > and if they told me they were waiting for a duel, I would move on, but really, they had it coming).

Sartis
04-19-2002, 06:57 PM
If you have your saber down I will still kill you until I know your not an idiot who attacks push/pulls while saber down yet complains when people attack him, Thing is a few people ruin it for all. =/

Valdarious
04-19-2002, 07:13 PM
Your not alone Azraelt. Consider me the forth person you have talked to that wouldnt do that kind of thing. Yes there are some people out there that will kill anything that looks easy to get that extra kill to get on top. One thing to consider though, on almost any server you find in the public servers there is going to be 1 if not more that dont even know about these boards. Alot of the people I see posting here "say" that they would respect this, dont know for sure since I dont play on alot of public servers and I havent seen alot of the posters on the servers that I do play on. I am not saying this has to be honoralbe or whatever you want to call it. I just mean I would rather have some compitition than killing random people for extra frags. I play this game alot differently than most other FPS. I dont complain to people for playing the way they want, I just dont go back to the server if I dont like it, leave and come back another time or try to find 1 or 2 people on the server that have the same interests as I do.

GooglyMoogly
04-19-2002, 08:22 PM
It's just a game, yes. All games have rules right? In this case the rules are set by the game designers, but they are not really rules. Think of them as guidelines. The people that play the game make the rules.

Imagine a football game where one team calls a timeout but the other team continues to play and consequently scores. Do you think this could POSSIBLY happen in real life without some sort of repersussion or reprimand??....get with the program.

It's a game...games are about having fun...if your idea of fun includes killing people at inapproriate times then I guess we are just supposed to accept it? Are you not imposing your style/ideal of play on us in that case?

Simple as this..next time you fight someone treat their style of play with as much respect as you want yours to be treated. If someone is obviously not interested in fighting LEAVE THEM ALONE. You will earn their respect, believe me.

Respect is what this world is all about...a little more of it and things would be a whole lot better.

Jubei2501
04-19-2002, 08:41 PM
I'm with you too, Azraelt.

In fact I started a thread around here that said pretty much the same thing.

What I've discovered is that yes, there are those punks who don't care, but they have a point in that it is FREE FOR ALL, so complaining will do little good.

I have found some really cool servers out there where everyone seems to respect everyone else and fights tend to be fair. You need only look and you'll find them too.

To those who would label us "whiners" and say "it's just a stupid game" , understand this: I choose to conduct myself in the game as I do in real life. I respect others, do not insult or harm the weak and inexperienced, and try to improve myself and my abilities every chance I get.

I always enjoy meeting others in the game who play as I do, as it enhances our mutual experience.



To fight and conquer in one hundred battles is not the highest skill. To subdue the enemy with no fight at all, that's the highest skill.
- Sun Tsu

Azraelt
04-19-2002, 09:00 PM
Jub.

1) Is that the same name that you use in the Game?

2) What are the servers that you play on? I am in desperate need of a good server.

DarkAgent
04-22-2002, 01:33 PM
I cant stand it when I'm in a saber only server and my lightsaber is off and some nOOb comes along thinking he's going to get an easy kill and tries to do me.

I usually type in something like "nOOb: Saber off = Cut my head off? WTF !!!???"

Then I target that person for the rest of the night and ignore everyone else playing. I just kill him over and over and over and over and over and over ad finitum.

Target the lamers - its fun.

BTW - Yes I've given into the dark side. Don't get angry (get even) Revenge is sweet.

DA :p

Nill the Mean
04-22-2002, 02:54 PM
Dear lord...

I can understand that some people get pissed about people not treating them with the respect they would like. But at the moment it is going too far. If some "lamer" chucks me off a ledge, like the last person said, his ass is mine. He petter prepare to be pushed all over the place. I use force pull to make sure they can't run away from me :D. But I never would have come to this forum to start ranting about it. I just think to myself: Ha, tosspot. I'm going to get him now.
When this guy I was duelling spammed DFA about 30 times before catching on that he wasn't even getting close, I just laughed. The silly person, he'll learn eventually.
In NS_Streets you should just expect to be thrown to your doom every two minutes. It's what happens on that level.
If someone kills me with lightning, I just think, well too bad.
I have only gotten annoyed one time when playing with 8 people on NS_Streets CTF. All the other team did was grip. It wasn't so much annoying as just plain boring. One person gripped me, I pushed him and then the next was already on me. They even stood still waiting to get me when the other person let go. That was just LAME.

As for the "RPG" element some have started using: If you bow at me I will bow back. If you just attack me then expect similar treatment.
But I don't understand where this honor thing came from. I don't remember so much as one bow in any of the movies, they just start fighting. I don't see why people say that light side Jedis should be 'good', Luke uses grip in ROTJ and wants to kill the emperor when he is unarmed (no saber).
People really need to lighten up.

Con. Snake
04-22-2002, 03:04 PM
I paid my hard earned money on this game. I'll be damned if I'm going to be told how I'm allowed to have my fun. You have your fun, meanwhile I'll have mine. If you don't like my fun, tough ****. Go find another server.

Retro
04-22-2002, 03:09 PM
Con, would that include going to a server with rules about no killing when sabre not drawn, and you know the rules. Would you go ahead and kill everyone against the rules of the server?
Not a flame, just a query =)

Kataarn
04-22-2002, 03:09 PM
Of course you can have your fun, just don't expect to get away with it all the time.

Con. Snake
04-22-2002, 03:12 PM
I never said I don't follow server rules, I always do. If I don't like the server rules, I would go make my own.

I never stated what My fun was, only that it was different than yours.

Retro
04-22-2002, 03:26 PM
Hehe, I wasn't trying to insult or anything, I just know that some people, on this forum who shall remain nameless, like to go into servers which have rules, they know there are rules, and constantly break them over and over and over. We kick and kick and kick, and they call us lamers...it's funny....to me.

callvin
05-02-2002, 10:24 PM
We try very hard to keep a good server. We've recently added 4 new admins, who cover a full day. Some play during the day, others at night.

To say if a server makes a unique rule, that we should enforce it is TRUE, and completely unrealistic.

Our server has been absolutely AMAZING. The quality of people there are second to none. We had a guy walk away to use the bathroom, and was left UNTOUCHED (while his saber was out) the entire time.

Foxbatkllr, its pretty unfair for you to judge our server from one incident. There are a number of threads here giving alot of positive feedback for our JK2 server. Fortunately, our server is usually jammed with the regulars we've attracted, so I don't necessarily feel I need to "convert" anyone.

If you want to play JK2 where HONOR is more important than kills, come to:

[LiCk] JK2 Sabers Only - DO NOT KILL IF SABRE NOT DRAWN|169.229.8.35:28070

And if, while there, you have a problem. Join us in IRC at EnterTheGame on channel #LiCk.

You will NOT find a group of people MORE dedicated to maintaining the atmosphere of JK2 honor than our great group!

[LiCk]Sebboh Nivlac

Kissamies
05-03-2002, 05:15 AM
:vadar: You are unwise to lower your defences.

Seriously though, I have an overdeveloped sense of fair play. If I see someone with saber off and obviously not attacking me, im very unlikely to to take a slash on him. Of course, I always will keep an eye on him in case he abruptly changes his mind, as they often do.

However, its pointless to blow this all out of proportion. You can't expect too much from random players on public servers on a community as large as this one. FFA is also pretty lawless enviroment with its collateral damage and frenzied running around.

Millions o' Monkeys
05-03-2002, 05:47 AM
seems as though we have another one of these threads on our hands....

Pedantic
05-03-2002, 06:57 AM
I would say on a regular FFA server, one should also consider that people come there to fight and have a good time. If you're not fighting, you're wasting space for other people to play. Of course, that would be on a regular FFA server, for those who didn't catch that the first time and had their flame trigger fingers ready.

hyrit
05-03-2002, 07:42 AM
They should really have a second duel setting...where people can walk around still, as if it's FFA, but you can't attack. Because let's face it, FFA stands for FREE FOR ALL. Now don't get me wrong, when I stumble across an honor-based server, I think it's great.

I follow the little rules, learn a few new bows(yeah, there are about 30 out there now), and have fun wall-walking with the others in between duels...but you can't expect that as the norm. I only have one problem with the saber off thing...

Anyone remember Ukyo from Samurai Showdown? How about Citan Uzuki(using his sword) from Xenogears? Hibiki from Last Blade? Remember that style where they only unsheath their weapons when they strike? I always wanted to make a style of that with a saber...unfortunately, too many people would misunderstand someone with a saber off...

Hell Raiser
05-03-2002, 02:31 PM
All of this saber off == peace could be solved if they had that fraggin chat bubble above your head when you goto talk. Why they took it out of JO when porting from Q3 I have no idea.....

Kurgan
05-03-2002, 05:25 PM
Good point. I'm sure that could be modded in (the "I'm chatting" bubble). I guess it looks kind of goofy in the middle of a game, but then so do the rebel/imperial icons floating around and the huge blowing bubbles when people spawn in or grab a ysalamari or something.

DarthTom
05-03-2002, 10:51 PM
I agree with you guys 100%, saber off=do not attack...with one BIG exception...

If you have your saber off, do NOT run around force-gripping people off ledges !

I've seen it, I've had it done to me. I turned on absorb and shoved his sneaky rat-bas***d butt off a ledge every time I saw him afterwards.

So essentially, if you turn your saber off, it's to signal non-agression, not to lure them in for a trap (unless of course, it's Team FFA, and you have people lying in ambush...but that's another matter)

Zante
05-04-2002, 12:38 AM
Shutting off a saber in an FFA game is pure idiocy, prepare to get smashed and rightfully so. It's a war you morons.

You want your little roleplaying rules? Go to a duel server.

-End :guard:

Zerox
05-04-2002, 12:44 AM
My point is, when u have saber down you should be hiding (duh we've got those retards) and should only be typin. I try to do that, but still not many people out there respects my actions. I get killed with saber down...for the rest of the game i ignore everyones comments and play dirty just like them. I love the comments when you force push people off ledges when they grip you.

Teir
05-04-2002, 01:32 AM
Arrr is that a cat i can hear?

:violin: