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DarkAgent
04-19-2002, 01:13 PM
Ok lets have it. How many go for -SC- (the Saberist Code) and how many for *ASC* (the Anti Saberist Code).

Personally, I started out -SC- but am now completely Neutral. I found being totally -SC- is restrictive and for me it took a lot of fun out of playing the game.

But that's my own personal opinion.

Cheers

DA :guard:

BacMeth
04-19-2002, 01:19 PM
hm.. i'm something between SC and neutral....
i like the idea of SC.. but it didnt turn out that well...
that whole ASC thingy bothers me.. of course there's a reason for artifex and others to be mad at some of the SC'ers.. but i have never met him.. i've never really complained about him... i never said you have to ban forces...
and he keeps insulting SC... beeing gay and stuff...
but does this really matter? does he have to flame us and ruin fun for us just because he thinks bowing looks gay?

well i can understand that he's mad at those that votekicked him.. but i've never done that and i prolly wont ever do it

plz artifex.. hear me : PEACE!

ArtifeX
04-19-2002, 01:46 PM
I invented *ASC* initially as a joke to make fun of individuals who almost certainly own a pair of Star Wars pajamas. If not some swanky silk-screened bed sheets.

Some people with poor english skills misinterpreted it as serious rather than a joke and attacked me and *ASC* calling us/it lame, accusing us of trying to ruin their role-playing (you role play, i don't), and comparing us (baselessly) to myg0t clan. What began as a joke became a magnet for personal attacks. Hence, the *ASC* became a group actively seeking the demise of -SC-. Ironic, isn't it, that the *ASC* sprung phoenix-like from -SC-'s own acerbic comments?

The whole basis for *ASC* now can be distilled into one concept: kicking people off your server is lame, callvote kicking is worse. Unless someone is using some hacking software or making a supreme nuisance of themselves by text spamming or constantly calling votes for no reason, then there's no reason to kick them. I would just have admins and players alike really think hard before they kick someone out of any game, not just jk2. Understanding this, I hope you can see why I, and the rest of *ASC* is so against a group that publicly declares they will kick people for not following their non-game based rules of etiquette.

There. I've had my say. Flame away.

BacMeth
04-19-2002, 02:35 PM
heh thats the first time that you say something that REALLY makes sense
oh and btw

i'm no starwars fan.. i've never been one
i dont have any SW toys or other stuff
i simply love to role play...
just hack n slashing gets a bit boring by time ... its just...i think a bit of conversation and that honor stuff... adds to the fun

oh and i totally disagree with that kicking rule

i'll never vote kick any players again (except they are called D*CK VADER and wont stop annoying us with silly spamming like
SUCK MY D*ICK YOU D*CKSUCKING D*CKSUCKER)
tis no joke.. i've seen that...really scary

oh and about that *ASC* "we will ruin the game for SC" jokes
be carefull about that... some ppl on your side wont notice that it was a joke and start doing what you posted....

Spidey
04-19-2002, 03:28 PM
I think every single person who was on the ASC side was fully aware that it was a joke. They were also only against Soul-Burn's proposal of vote-kicking people off from public servers because they are not SC.

The ASC stands for one thing only: letting people play the way they want.

As for Role-playing, can you point me to one star-wars movie, book, whatever that shows people bowing and turning off their lightsabers before they start combat?

Maybe seeing people bowing ruins my Star Wars experience as much as people not bowing ruin your version of Star Wars experience. Just a thought.

ArtifeX
04-19-2002, 03:35 PM
Originally posted by BacMeth
heh thats the first time that you say something that REALLY makes sense
oh and btw

i'm no starwars fan.. i've never been one
i dont have any SW toys or other stuff
i simply love to role play...
just hack n slashing gets a bit boring by time ... its just...i think a bit of conversation and that honor stuff... adds to the fun

oh and i totally disagree with that kicking rule

i'll never vote kick any players again (except they are called D*CK VADER and wont stop annoying us with silly spamming like
SUCK MY D*ICK YOU D*CKSUCKING D*CKSUCKER)
tis no joke.. i've seen that...really scary

oh and about that *ASC* "we will ruin the game for SC" jokes
be carefull about that... some ppl on your side wont notice that it was a joke and start doing what you posted....

I honestly don't think there's anything objectionable in the *ASC* initial post. Everything there is within the rules of the game, and nothing interferes technically with the viability of the server or the gamestate. I loudly proclaim my encouragement for people to follow my *ASC*.

Soul-Burn
04-19-2002, 03:36 PM
Yet some people like you spidey turned it to a huge flame war.

I've already agreed that the callvote thingy is too extreme for public servers. I still think it should stand on private/rules servers.

DarkAgent
04-19-2002, 03:43 PM
Originally posted by ArtifeX
I invented *ASC* initially as a joke

There's a lot of people out there taking it quite literally ;)

Personally, I think that how the game (Yes - its JUST a game) should be played is totally up to the individual. There is certainly room for endless tactics and strategies. Enjoy it the way you want and respect the way other people choose to play.

The key word here is -Respect-

cheers

DA

Spidey
04-19-2002, 04:06 PM
Originally posted by Soul-Burn
Yet some people like you spidey turned it to a huge flame war.

I've already agreed that the callvote thingy is too extreme for public servers. I still think it should stand on private/rules servers.

That's because like your new nickname SLOW-Burn suggest, you are too slow to remember the things you wrote. It's always easier to point your finger at someone else isn't it?

The only reason I even responded to this debate was because your stupid proposal of calling for kickvotes. Now that you realize the majority of players are not petty like that, you are changing your tune.

Soul-Burn
04-19-2002, 04:09 PM
Ofcourse I do. I started this as a way to aid the community. It's from the community, for the community. The community doesn't want it, then I change the ideas.

I'm not rock stubborn like you.

Spidey
04-19-2002, 04:13 PM
Yep. I am pretty rock stubborn and I will never change my views that you should let people play the game they want to.

I am not tryingh to control others like you obviously feel the need to.

You started SC for yourself. That's why you want to vote off people from public servers so you can dictate the way to play as you like it.

Don't try to act like you were doing something good for the community.

Artifex was the only one who made any sense. And the fact that people can't even see that he was being sarcastic was pathetic.

ArtifeX
04-19-2002, 04:20 PM
Originally posted by Spidey


That's because like your new nickname SLOW-Burn suggest, you are too slow to remember the things you wrote. It's always easier to point your finger at someone else isn't it?

The only reason I even responded to this debate was because your stupid proposal of calling for kickvotes. Now that you realize the majority of players are not petty like that, you are changing your tune.

Fight the good fight, Spidey!

StAtilXl
04-19-2002, 04:56 PM
I play to win but i wont attack some1 if there away
i go by my own rules i dont find forces cheep cuz they kill u or whatever its part of the game... i think they should have fists like in JK that way u knew when some1 was away and every1 on JK new fists= peace.. and if u wanna duel go on a duel server not a ffa cuz ffa = free for all

my $40 worth

Soul-Burn
04-19-2002, 05:11 PM
Yep. I am pretty rock stubborn and I will never change my views that you should let people play the game they want to.

They want to play like I stated... Obviously in the Saberist Code thread it's visible.

124 agree with SC
34 aren't SC, but agree
45 disagree

124 alone is more than 45.

BrainStorm
04-19-2002, 05:54 PM
All this stuff about "Public Servers" and "Private Servers".

Correct me if I am wrong, but there are really only two types of games being run out there. There are servers with, and servers without; passwords.

The term "Public", implies that they are being run for the people and by the people. If that is your definition, fine. Then if the person hosting the server sets it to allow voting, then they wish their "Public Server" to be run in a democratic way.

That means that the majority rules.

So, with that being said; if you are on a server, and the majority of the people, whether you agree or disagree with them; want you to leave, then you go, or you are removed. Its pretty simple if you ask me.

Soul-Burn
04-20-2002, 08:36 AM
Thanks for proving my point :)

Anyways, servers which state that the rules apply in the Name / MoTD are to be regarded as Private servers for everything concerning the effictiveness and strictness of the rules.

H.B.M.C.
04-20-2002, 10:16 AM
If it's a Free For All server, I'll do what the name implies:

What ever the hell I want!

If it's a server set up for dueling, the I'll duel, unless it's a FFA server as people who complain about people using guns in a game with the words "Free" "For" and "All" in it are gh3y!

BY3

ArtifeX
04-20-2002, 11:29 AM
Originally posted by Soul-Burn


They want to play like I stated... Obviously in the Saberist Code thread it's visible.

124 agree with SC
34 aren't SC, but agree
45 disagree

124 alone is more than 45.


Yes, but I believe that the *ASC* is made up of more players who wish to win at a game than players who simply want to talk about how pretty light style is and role play.

The very rules of -SC- keep its own from becoming versatile players by continuously duelling in heavily-controlled and rule-laden environments. Someone who is good at that type of fighting may find their 4ss being handed to them by someone who's mastered using Mind Trick and simply slices them dead without warning.

I think people who follow the -SC- will end up as poorer players in the long run.

Soul-Burn
04-20-2002, 12:26 PM
I disagree.

No one said that -SC- is against forces or strategies. It's pretty much written that "STRATEGIES DON'T MATTER! IT'S JUST ABOUT NOT LAME KILLING".

When will you get that???

I as SC play sometimes on Force/Weapon servers... And yes, I use repeater alt-fire... But I won't attack 2 people who are far from battle and just dueling eachother, or with saber close. Obviously I wanna win too, so if someone comes to them (probably YOU), i'll kill him.

I will attack anyone that attacks me.

If someone challanges me in game, with saber open, and I decline, I will kill them. Afterall, it's a FFA game.

IN SHORT: The fact we have the option to play in duels doesn't constrain us to playing duels only...

While you play anything, but never have enough honor to not lame these people.

HertogJan
04-20-2002, 03:12 PM
I use the -SC- tag but still, I play according to my rulez; according to what I think that should or shouldn't be done!

For me, -SC- means:
- I like to duel
- I won't attack somebody with lightsaber out
- I will show respect; most of the time that means bowing, but I don't mind if someone doesn't want to bow, except when I have my saber out
- I will follow the rulez on the server; when everybody agreed that it's no force, I won't use force. If they use force, I'll use force too. If I use force by accident, I apologize
- If everybody uses forces, I will too. Even drain, although I don't ***** forces/moves, because that isn't fun for ME

And if other -SC-'s don't agree, **** it, I just want to show that I like to duel...

Saient
04-21-2002, 10:48 AM
If I think about it now that it has a label on it I guess I was *ASC* beforce *ASC* and -SC- were even announced. ASC is natural and not devised among players like -SC- was, which kinda makes -SC- seem fabricated and voted on by the masses and Urggh.
Nothing agaisnt -SC- just seems pathetic to have an ethics system about a game where killing is involved.

I mean, don't take it personally if I frag 2 -SC-ers dueling I persoanlly think you should go duel on a saber only server but thats me! if I get Voted off by Majority Rules because Im not killing while following a code then thats just sad.

I won't be using the ASC tag because I find it unnessacary since its I believe its anyones natural apporach to any FFA death match FPS game and shouldn't be stated, but it had to be stated because of people taking the Starwars too seriously so I give Artifex Props for saying it to remind you -SC'ers not to go to far.

I know ASC was started as a joke (great laugh) and it stated that they should prevent the likes of -SC- taking over servers and putting nazi rules on them but Im gonna treat everyone as an equal.. Im looking out for Number 1 on FFA and everybody else I see saber out saber in dueling or not is a target for me.

Soul-Burn
04-21-2002, 11:30 AM
I mean, don't take it personally if I frag 2 -SC-ers dueling I persoanlly think you should go duel on a saber only server but thats me!

Fact is, that's not the problem. People like ArtifeX are just whining that these 2 SCers will stop dueling and kill YOU together and then go back to duel.

And if the admin of the server said that the rules are to be enforced, then it's tough luck for u.

R3mmus
04-21-2002, 11:31 AM
This -SC- bull***t, well that's fine. If you wish to have your own code or whatever then i don't see a problem with that. Just don't expect the average player like me to have any respect for that code on a FFA server. If you feel the need to check whether your shoe-laces are tied then great! You do that cos loose laces are a real hazard, just don't be surprised if i decide i want to cut you down when you aren't looking. And if people want to duel on a FFA server then you are asking for trouble really, cos if you want to duel then you should be on a dueling server.

I'm tired of running into people with an "-SC-" tag in their name who try to kick me off server's because i want to use grip to crush your throat, rather than dueling it out in "honorable combat" on a FFA server.

I'm not saying all -SC- players are like that, and i have respect for their abilities and the way they want to play the game, just not on public servers when the rules have already been decided and mention nothing about -SC-.

Skarfays
04-22-2002, 08:54 AM
If you think about it ASC and SC are practically the same except they have something against eachother. As a result they try to make themselves look like total opposites. :p

Soul-Burn
04-22-2002, 12:53 PM
-SC- is about not interupting while people are dueling. It's nothing about strategies AT ALL.

ArtifeX
04-22-2002, 03:04 PM
Originally posted by Skarfays
If you think about it ASC and SC are practically the same except they have something against eachother. As a result they try to make themselves look like total opposites. :p

Um, anyone else understand what this guy said? If so, explain it to me. :wstupid:

ArtifeX
04-22-2002, 03:06 PM
Originally posted by Soul-Burn
-SC- is about not interupting while people are dueling. It's nothing about strategies AT ALL.

I never interrupt people who are duelling. I can't. They're invulnerable to outside damage. *ASC* is just about blowing the crap out of people standing around watching.

Spidey
04-22-2002, 04:01 PM
I don't put any tags next to my name. My philosophy is definitely more ASC in a sense that (i) I believe people are free to play their own style in any FFA or Team-FFA and (ii) Vote-kicking people off because they have better scores than you is totally lame.

Let me describe how I play.

(1) I only play Team_FFA now adays because I have more of a purpose. It's not how many points you have but how many points your team has.

(2) I only use Light Side powers and use the saber about 75% of the time. But I switch to guns if I am outnumbered and getting ganged up by 3 or more saber only guys or 2 or more guns only guys.

That's because I do care about my team score and there is no reason to go into a suicide situation and hurt my team.

(3) I have never initiated a vote kick. Even when some guy is team killing his own guys in a Team_FFA. I just switch to the other team and kept going after that guy. With guns / saber / force ...everything.

(4) I will use any force power to counter the other guy's use of force powers. I find it really funny when some guys keep complaining that I push them off in NS Streets level when he kept gripping and throwing people off. He did that to me one time. And from that time on, I kept going absorb and push against him. After he got killed like 3 times after unsuccessfully trying to grip me, he started complaining.

(5) And yes I find it very annoying when people want to bow and want to use saber only without force powers in a Team FFA because I am trying to help my team win. And I am not going to waste my time like that.

Soul-Burn
04-22-2002, 04:04 PM
Spidey, nothing from what you wrote condradicts -SC- :D

ArtifeX, in "dueling" I mean when there are 2 people who are AWAY from the main combat area who just fight it out 1on1, without the "official" duel system.

Spidey
04-22-2002, 04:12 PM
Except for the calling for vote-kicks. I don't believe in calling for votes even if some person is throwing grenades and rockets into the middle of a duel. That's their right.

Plus investing some of your points in Force Pull will do wonders against those types of players.

That is my only beef with your SC code.

No kick votes period.

Soul-Burn
04-22-2002, 05:30 PM
Dude... how many times should I say this... KICK VOTES ARE ONLY WHEN IT'S ON A PRIVATE/RULES-ENABLED SERVER OR WHEN EVERYONE WANTS THAT PERSON OUT (the latter has nothing to do with the code tho)

BrainStorm
04-22-2002, 06:08 PM
Why is it everyones right to do whatever they want, but if a group of people want to band together to do what they want as a group; then it becomes a problem.

I still don't get it. You have these so-called "rights" as individuals, but a group of like-minded people have no rights whatsoever when acting in concert?!?

Spidey
04-22-2002, 09:32 PM
Isn't that called mob rule?

If a group of like minded individuals decide to go after let's say a smaller group of individuals just because they think alike in society, what kind of society do you have?

Now if those like minded group decides to have their own server, you can do whatever you want.

Teir
04-22-2002, 10:06 PM
Im the neu to all this. If the other guy or girl wanna bow and all that i usely let them, dosnt matter to me. I just taunt my Haha at them when they die in honor:D

R3mmus
04-23-2002, 07:29 AM
Originally posted by Soul-Burn
Dude... how many times should I say this... KICK VOTES ARE ONLY WHEN IT'S ON A PRIVATE/RULES-ENABLED SERVER OR WHEN EVERYONE WANTS THAT PERSON OUT (the latter has nothing to do with the code tho)

Well why don't you tell that to your -SC- monkey boys who gang up and abuse kickvotes by kicking off people without the -SC- tag. I get kicked sometimes on a public rules-enabled server because there are a majority of -SC- players and i don't carry that tag.

ArtifeX
04-23-2002, 12:00 PM
Originally posted by Soul-Burn
Dude... how many times should I say this... KICK VOTES ARE ONLY WHEN IT'S ON A PRIVATE/RULES-ENABLED SERVER OR WHEN EVERYONE WANTS THAT PERSON OUT (the latter has nothing to do with the code tho)

bah. kicking is pure lameness no matter what the circumstances. it's the last resort of an unskilled player.

Soul-Burn
04-23-2002, 01:29 PM
Originally posted by R3mmus


Well why don't you tell that to your -SC- monkey boys who gang up and abuse kickvotes by kicking off people without the -SC- tag. I get kicked sometimes on a public rules-enabled server because there are a majority of -SC- players and i don't carry that tag.

No one is my monkey boys. It's not like I control them. They are just lame

Untamed
04-23-2002, 07:39 PM
kicking is pure lameness no matter what the circumstances. it's the last resort of an unskilled player.

The ASC stands for one thing only: letting people play the way they want.

/me thinks sumbody needs to rethink their ethics

vote kicking is well with in the rules of jk2 multiplayer but yet u say ppl shouldnt do it. Hmmmmm clever.

Im with sc all the way. I think that there are things that cant be defined in game rules such as honour and teamplay and no amount of software is ever going to change that. These people are just saying we like it this way if u dont then thats fine but dont expect me to like u or duel u etc.

xenothrope
05-01-2002, 05:50 PM
hello all

ive been reading these forums for a while now, and this whole SC vs. ASC thing made me want to post

its pretty clear how it is all set up, SC seeks to uphold the "light" side of the force and its perceptions on combat whereas the ASC holds more true to the "dark" side of the force and its ideals.

personally i see nothing wrong with this

for role players: the force is meant to be ballanced, therefore a evil must always exist (note how the jedi council almost never seeks out to kill those who pursue the darkside, they let them exist and come to them {funny how the ASC seems to have taken this ideal yet they are supposed to be the dark side})

for hard core gamers: well we have our own code, its simple and has one rule, play the best you can, as long as its fun. after all, games are meant to be fun, if you arnt having fun (even for 2 seconds) EXIT THE GAME. you dont need to torture youself bc your getting flamed, spamed, etc. just turn off the game, walk outside get some fresh air, come back and play something else. (if you were a true gamer you would know that already ;) )

for -SC-'ers: im rather confused as to your stance (light or dark) your words attempt to protect the weak and kill the evil, but the light side always trys to show the error of the ways of the dark and help them, not hunt them down and ban them, say to the would be offender "hey dont fight them, their dueling, fight me instead" its much more mature instead of "sic' em boys!" or some such attitude

for *ASC*'ers: i respect you guys, i really do, you make many good points (dueling should be in duel rooms not FFA {hence the game description}) and i do belive that your cause as it is being stated now (win anyway you can) has a point and a purpouse, to strive to be the best, heck your anti-saber-code website has some awesome strategy and tactics in it. be evil, do what it takes, but please keep it in the realm of the game (no impersonating others and such)


in conclusion, i see some cool things coming from these sides being set, this game deserved a light and dark side and now it has it.

personally ill stay neuteral (sp?) and fight my way, ill bow if someone bows to me and ill fight the best i can using my tools at hand. i wont interupt duels, but as soon as its over ill kill the weakend winner, no questions asked. If i want to duel ill go to a duel server and wait in line.

thats is all

xeno

-you are not your post count-

Dracofyre
05-01-2002, 06:29 PM
I've been tracking the ASC, SC debates/flamewars and have learned two things.
#1 The SC are nothing more pompous jerks looking to get flamed.
#2 The ASC just wanna have fun.

I swear you SC guys really need to get a life. It's a freaking game. If your that freaking stupid as to duel in the middle of a free-for-all then you really deserve the lemming award. You guys are in the middle of a huge fight and you expect to be left alone while you duel? Come on, when I see crap like that all I see are couple of guys with flashing neon signs over there heads that say "SHOOT ME." You guys really need to take your dueling crap to the duel servers. What a concept! Dueling on the duel servers. Then you guys get pissed off because you got nuked in mid duel on said ffa server. If you don't like it YOU guys can leave, and leave the ffa stuff to the us guys who enjoy using guns *gasp* or sabers AND guns (like me). So I'm probably going to put the nice little ASC tag in front of my name and support the ongoing fight to just let everyone have fun.
P.S. Hey ArtifeX nice job with the ASC site. Can't wait for you to finish.:D

ArtifeX
05-02-2002, 02:05 PM
I'm going to be putting up a more serious and formal post of the Anti-Saberist Code on the website soon. A lot of people new to the *ASC* concept have been asking about it, so I'm going to clarify. I'll post the old one as well but with a caveat about its comedic roots.

zenroth
05-02-2002, 02:46 PM
I suppose I fall into a more of a -sc- tag person my self though I do not bear such a tag, and have no intention of kick voteing people that play simply to WIN and do whatever it takes to do so. Yes I do belive in fighting honerably, yes I will bow, I wont run up to two people fighting weather in challange mode or not, I may wait with my lightsaber down and challange the winner of there fight but otherwise I wont interfere.

On FFA servers most of the time I will simply wait around with my saber unlit and attempt to duel/challange people, if they run and attempt to attack me with my saber unlit ill generally push them back a time or two and if they continue ill fight and kill them or be killed.

Generally I only wish to challange people, if they refuse I leave them be, of course im not intrested in winning the game via frag count. I have done that both on duel and FFA servers and while it can be fun to mow down and push people off ledges and kill and kill, it bores me compared to good duels/challanges.

Do my ethics cost me? Yes ive been DFA'ed while bowing to people, ive been cut down from behind right after comeing out of a challange, and of course ive been pushed/grasped and thrown off levels while watching a challange or waiting in line to challange someone.

Do these things bother me? Yes they do, do I generally whine about them or try an kick people for doing them? No, I learn there names and treat them as enemies from that point out. If I see Josh heading towards the dueling platform in bespin where he has been doing nothing but trying to push/grasp people waiting to duel there on FFA servers I kill him or try to, no challange issued.

tempest8008
05-02-2002, 03:07 PM
Show me where on a duel server I can run around myself, practicing my own moves, and get to stop and watch others fighting in radically different locations? And get a chance to fight when and where I want to?

If you're just in a FFA game to rack up kills, find a server where that is happening. If you come into a FFA where there are a bunch of people walking around watching others fight, you can pick a fight, but if they don't want you there, they have the right to kick you if you aren't playing "their" game....UNLESS it's a public server.

If it's Public, it means anything goes that the admin has not restricted. It's a chance you take....but I submit this to the ASC crowd....if you are bowed to, what is the harm in bowing back before you whip out your Flechette Cannon and blow them away?

BOWING COSTS YOU NOTHING. Not health, not shields, not force.

You may consider it lame, you may choose NOT to bow, but if you leap on someone while they are bowing, real life or game, that's dishonourable. Don't whine if you do that and then get picked on by the others in the game, you're obviously on the wrong server.

Just wait a second, fire up your saber or arm yourself accordingly, wait until they stand, and THEN attack.

I submit this to the SC crowd. There is NOTHING in the game that you cannot do that you SHOULD not do. Every gun, force power, saber move, and power up are there to be used in as many creative and innovative ways as possible. If YOU have chosen a more 'honourable' way to fight, that is your choice. The others on the server may or may not agree with you. Unless you know your opponent shares the same sense of honour, don't bow, and expect them to use everything at their disposal to win.

Otherwise, SC and ASC alike....keep to servers where the games are set the way you like to play them.

TLG-Jaymz
05-28-2002, 01:12 PM
Time for my few cents worth, I guess.

I consider myself an -SC-'er. I usually play on Australian servers under the nick Jacul Grmil -SC-. While I can't say I follow each and every rule outlined in the first -SC- post, I do take the time and trouble to ensure that I never <i>break</i> them, or break the principle it's based upon.

To me, I sum up the entirety of the -SC- ideal as two things: honour and respect. I dig both these two ideals purely because I came from the multiplayer world of Quake 1... then Quake II.. then Quake III. I'd just about given up on playing any form of online FPS, from playing all the Quake games (and many other DM games like them), where only the best ******* wins.

Seriously... if you play a game of Quakeworld online nowadays and actually win a match, it's because you just played like a complete and utter prick, and have basically rendered the worth of your opponents as nothing more than walking additions to your fragcount. Now.. everyone's free to think like that and behave like that, but after 6 long years of that, I've grown really goddamn tired of it.

I haven't run across any of the problems I've heard about on here.. mostly due to the fact that on the Australian servers I play on, I only know of two other people who use the -SC- tag. I haven't met any *ASC*'ers yet, either. I've seen a fair amount of callvoting and such, but personally speaking, I generally abstain against voting for someone to get kicked or not, unless the annoyance is an extreme one (which, so far, I haven't come across yet). Out of the two SC'ers I've met, I do know that at least one of them feels the same way I do (the other one, I haven't had nearly as much chance to talk to).

I pay attention to the server I'm about to join. If I join a server with all weapons allowed, it's because I choose to. If I join a Jedi Master skill server with no force restrictions, it's because I choose to. Whilst playing, I generally lump all the people on the server in three categories in my mind.. honourable, suspect, and dishonourable. Honourable people, I let my guard down. Suspect people, I'm wary of. Dishonourable people... there's no holds barred. I tend to refrain from using things which I consider "cheap", but if someone needs to be taught a lesson.. well..

Basically... as far as the lame crap like alt-fire repeaters, and the @$$fighting (backstabs) goes, I'll either attempt to find some way to counter it, or I'll do my best to ensure their efforts aren't rewarded. I don't complain publically (although I might swear a lot under my breath :D), and I sure as hell don't callvote to kick them. I also won't vote for or against kicking on a server, either.

I dunno who the hell you guy's have been playing, but not all -SC-'ers want a remake of Nazi germany, y'know...

cardsharp
05-28-2002, 06:12 PM
This all seems to be getting a shade out of control.
I mean, really chaps

Imagine there`s no kicking
It isn`t hard to do
No backstabbing either
I`ll just bow to you
Imagine all the flamers
Living life in peace
Yo-ou may say I`m a Noob/Lamer/Lightning Whore/ASC
But I`m not the only one
I hope one day you`ll join us
And shoot the **** out of every one

Agen
07-03-2003, 06:31 PM
I abide by my own rules-
1. Be friendly
2. Don't waste time on stupid things liek bowing, get on with the game.
3. Have fun.

Sam Fisher
07-03-2003, 07:50 PM
Met too, execpt when the server say differently.

Kurgan
07-11-2003, 01:53 AM
Having "honor codes" made much more sense in Jedi Knight.

Why? Because the game itself was not setup to allow the server that much control over say a "dueling" environment. The best one could do would be to setup a 2 player server on a saber only level and then go from there.

Specialized mods had to be made before such a thing could be feasible like we have gotten spoiled by in Jedi Outcast.

In JK2, it is now possible to setup a Dueling, Saber Only, Force Limited Server. A "lightsaber challenge" can be had during a FFA if the server chooses to allow it.

All of this power did come at a price... people abusing the "vote" system to rid the server of players that BEAT THEM TOO OFTEN, resorting to petty revenge for people who were too good or used tactics they didn't know how to counter.

The idea of players "invading" public servers and forcing the people there to conform to their whims (ie: mob rule) is pretty lame.

Which is why if I run I server, I'd rather be there, playing as a regular player (the only thing I would ever do differently is change the settings when I wanted, or expel a player who was being a total nuisance and ruining it for everyone else, like constantly hiding with the flag during CTF or constantly blowing away their teammates or chat spamming for example), and not worry about the voting.

If you use the Lightsaber Challenge, you can't expect it to work well if you choose to use it in the very middle of the battlefield where rockets are flying and other players are trying to play the game normally. You can't expect to stand around with your saber off chatting and NOT get hit on occasion.

In this respect, I am in full agreement with Artifex (and have said so in the past). Ultimately, these players who wish to role play or limit gameplay (for whatever reason) are free to do so, but they can't (and shouldn't try) to force others to do so. I found his comments funny and refreshing, in the face of what seemed like a downward trend toward "codes of honor" and other such nonesense being the only right way in JK2.

To say nothing of the illogic that the way they play is somehow more "star warsy" (and therefore more legitimate way to have fun) than the way others play. ; )

Lion275
07-11-2003, 05:36 AM
I play by rules, just not the stupid ones, its just a game, your suppose to have fun, all that SC or ASC stuff doesnt make sense to me, all you have to do is play the game

|GG|Carl
08-19-2003, 05:24 PM
I guess I'm quite neutral...

Kurgan
08-23-2003, 04:20 PM
I posted my thoughts on the "Surrender Emote" in the JA forum... go there.. ; )