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Toa Tahu
04-28-2002, 12:40 AM
Heh,this will sooner or later be a trend for JK2ers,or rather be banned by the mods or the admins.

Anyway,this thread,as I saw,at PCG108(U.K.),saw that MOHAA got 95%,and JO only got 92%.I just wonder why,when they used 6 pages to post something and then give such low marks.

When compared to JO,MOHAA is just pure shooting.Nothing else but shooting.Do you get to use the saber?Do oyu get to choke someone?No right?Then how did it ever get 95%?Please correct me if I'm wrong.

enDless_Deliriu
04-28-2002, 12:53 AM
probably different reviewers, and one of them was more stable, had a more solid online game. Had a better value to the casual gamer type. Most likely, different reviewers.

It doesn't make one game better as they both got an "A" it just means one reviewer gave the game a slightly higher percentage.

patchx
04-28-2002, 03:14 AM
as far as atmosphere and level quality MOHAA wins hand down

but as far as general funness and gameplay mechanics (saber and force) JO is the best

-patch

obijonkenobi
04-28-2002, 03:23 AM
I must say the Ohmaha beach landing mission of MoH is arguably my favourite SP level of any game. That said, as a whole game however, the SP story line was not that great - if it had one. The final mission was a surprise to me as I thought there was going to be some missions after this - as the final mission didn't seem like one (a final mision). I just saw the ending credits and thought "is that it?" So Jedi Outcast is definatly the better game in terms of SP.

Personally I only play multiplayer on LAN with a mate of mine (only 1vs1 or co-op in games) so as far as 1vs1 deathmatching goes, I prefer MoH. Don't get me wrong, dueling is fun and all, but until the MP lightsabre combat is patched or somehow "fixed" to be the same as the SP lightsabre combat, it is not as fun as 1vs1 hunts in MoH. I simlpy love the german sniper rifle and my freind loves the allied BAR (machine gun). We play the death math games similar to what was happening in Enemy at the Gates (the sniper movie with Jude Law and Ed Harris). The suspense of not knowing where the other guy is in the entire map (knowing one good hit can kill) is rather fun. The suspence is what makes it a good game for its thrilleresque gameplay. (at least this is how it is for our 1vs1 hunts). We tried the JO game with bots but it was not as fun as MoH with only the two of us.

Of course I would most likely be changing my opinion of "best-mp-game-for-1v1-deathmatches" if the MP lightsabres ever become as good as the combat system in the SP game.

dkc4C
04-28-2002, 04:41 AM
Omaha Beach mission left me breathless...JO never did that :)

Kev Boy
04-28-2002, 06:39 AM
It was tons better then the beach level , i thought the beach level was dull...it just had about 10 friendlys running around , it should be a thousand :D

And it was a simple waiting game , grr..move , wait , move , wait.

JO wins for me , definantly cause of EA's bad support :mad:

NewBJedi
04-28-2002, 06:59 AM
Deus Ex = best SP game, period - only thing to come close is System Shock 2, which arguably the most scarey SP game.

MOH:AA may win because people have to do less thinking - walk/run, shoot someone, hope they miss you - that's it.

JK2 makes you constantly use your wit, and there are tons of options, strategies, and offense/defense maneuvers.

Most people are stupid. :)

NerfYoda
04-28-2002, 06:59 AM
Originally posted by Kev Boy
It was tons better then the beach level , i thought the beach level was dull...it just had about 10 friendlys running around , it should be a thousand :D

And it was a simple waiting game , grr..move , wait , move , wait.

JO wins for me , definantly cause of EA's bad support :mad:

Gotta disagree with you there. Don't get me wrong JO is a fantastic game, but no level in JO can compare to the atmosphere you had in MOHAA.

NewBJedi
04-28-2002, 07:04 AM
Originally posted by NerfYoda


Gotta disagree with you there. Don't get me wrong JO is a fantastic game, but no level in JO can compare to the atmosphere you had in MOHAA.

Yah nothing like completely unoptimized textures to add some horrible performance - i.e. MOH:AA - this is on fast systems.

I find Jedi Outcast a much better performer, and the maps beat all of MOH:AA hands down.

MOH:AA has such horrible clipping issues, and overall performance problems I don't see why anyone considers it a 'decent game'.

Even the SOF 2 test beats it by far - animation, texture, weapon, map design wise.

FYI: SOF 2 uses a lot of the same technology that JK2 uses - Ghoul 2, the terrain engine, etc.

toolboi
04-28-2002, 07:07 AM
Oh this is an unfair poll on a JK2 site but...
IMO

Medal of Honor: Mediocre play, awsome design, awsome graphics

Jedi Knight 2: AWSOME play, mediocre design, awsome graphics

As game play and story are the two most important things in a game for me (and since both games had **** story) I chose JK2.

Chato
04-28-2002, 07:12 AM
in fact i love MoH but i HATE EA, they don't do patches for european versions, so we can't play online.... great, thanks EA , proud to give you my money , next time i download their ****ing games.... Burn EA...

Raven deserved my money and they did a great product, we can choose language, i like playing with english voices, we all can be sure to have the patch at the same time coz there is no different versions of the game so .... vive raven.

Lucas Rox EA stinky ass

NewBJedi
04-28-2002, 07:16 AM
Since we're on the subject of MOH:AA.

MOH:AA lacks any sort of decent voting system - it's all console and hardly works - forget friendly fire on servers, it's impossible to kick anyone off.

SOF 2 (like JK2) will have a complete voting system.

SOF 2 will keep track of teamdamage (people who hurt their teammates) on the scoreboard. If a person exceeds the server tolerance, he gets kicked. If the person stops, the scale drops over time to give him a break.

Plus SOF 2 will have the random map generator for multiplayer - unlimited map design - that works online with server/clients - and like someone said - EA sucks.

Keep in mind - 2015 the developer of MOH:AA is no longer involved with the game - patches are slow, if not non-existant in the future.

I know this is supposed to be a comparison to JK2 and MOH:AA - but the two games cover completely different themes. A more fair comparison will be SOF 2 and MOH:AA - and since Raven is developing SOF 2, I'm fairly certain it'll be well supported.

As for JK2 design - I find it superior to most games. The maps are gigantic and multi-leveled - especially for Multiplayer. There is nothing else out there quite like it. I love force pushing or gripping someone into the glass, see and hear it smash, and the person comes back for revenge. It feels like a movie. :)

NerfYoda
04-28-2002, 07:30 AM
Originally posted by NewBJedi


Yah nothing like completely unoptimized textures to add some horrible performance - i.e. MOH:AA - this is on fast systems.

I find Jedi Outcast a much better performer, and the maps beat all of MOH:AA hands down.

MOH:AA has such horrible clipping issues, and overall performance problems I don't see why anyone considers it a 'decent game'.

Even the SOF 2 test beats it by far - animation, texture, weapon, map design wise.

FYI: SOF 2 uses a lot of the same technology that JK2 uses - Ghoul 2, the terrain engine, etc.

Personally I didn't get any bad performance in MOHAA. I'm kindof a sucker for wargames though, so that may contribute to why I feel MOHAA has nicer atmosphere... :) But really, Nar shadda vs Omaha Beach. Who do you think would come out on top in terms of atmosphere?

Trahern Valley
04-28-2002, 08:14 AM
I have yet to upgrade my system and get the most out of both games, so I doubt I'll vote. However, I stopped playing Allied Assault when Jedi Outcast came out. Why? Probably the lightsaber. However, the atmosphere of a game based on actual epic events rather then fictional ones must count for something.

Besides, being a fan of the Indiana Jones movies, Allied Assault gives me that familiar rush; especially when the music starts playing! Being at least part musician, this is a big deal for me. The use of memorable soundtracks is one reason why I like Star Wars games so much. I even found the funkifying attempts for Force Commander amusing, so I don't actually HATE them...except the synth voice counting from 1 to 4, that's just TOO sad.

arctic_series
04-28-2002, 08:21 AM
it's ok to not like JK2 ok ?

you don't need to riot everytime someone posts a review that doesn't fully suck up to jk2.

EffJi
04-28-2002, 08:34 AM
You can't compare the two games, they are way to different.

MOHAA is played at 1940s in Europe, while JO is played a long time ago in a galaxy far, far away :D

The reviewer might never have liked SW very much, and therefor he didn't get the whole spirit of the game.

And what does it matter what some guy at some website think about a game? We all love JO, no matter what he says.

Mr. White
04-28-2002, 12:44 PM
Effji, Did it ever occur to you that noone wants to hear your opnion? I know that it's your certian unalieable right, but really, spare us. From now on, I declare that you cannot use words that use vowels. Thank you.

Evil Robot
04-28-2002, 12:50 PM
Originally posted by Mr. White
Effji, Did it ever occur to you that noone wants to hear your opnion? I know that it's your certian unalieable right, but really, spare us. From now on, I declare that you cannot use words that use vowels. Thank you.

Now where is the "Report Stupid Troll to Moderator Button"?

No one wants to hear your unfiltered crap either, kid.

Master Rooster
04-28-2002, 01:19 PM
I found the posts talking about the 'low mark' for JO on the reviews mentioned rather amusing.

THEY GAVE IT 92%

This is a stupendous mark for a stupendous game. In no way can 92% be called a low mark. I completely ignore any site/magazine that has ever give more than about 95% to anything.

Back to the point, I voted MoH. Both are brilliant, and the lightsabres are wonderful, as are force powers, but the level design and atmosphere of MoH made it ebtter for me. MoH was too short and had no story, but it was brilliant.

Note, so far I've only played JO online, not MoH, so I can't compare their multiplayer.

It seems to me that there have been a fair few comments supporting MoH, and yet it only had three votes (including mine).

Father Ruckus
04-28-2002, 01:45 PM
why do review matter? do you like the game? do you really need someone telling you your game is Awesome to boost your ego or something? I never trust reviews or reviewers, case in point PC Gamer, they are horrible reviewers, They base they're reviews on who puts more ads in they're mag. Anarchy Online got a 50, they put about 5-6 ads in one mag, and PCG is saying its gods gift to gaming. They also have a problem with sucking Valves dick, Halflife was a merely ok game, Dues Ex blew the **** out of it.

anyways MoH vs JO, quite possibly the dumbest poll i've ever seen. World War 2 vs Star Wars.

MoH +'s :
-Single Player felt better, no gimp puzzles
-Multi had great atmosphere
-Sound was incredible
-Omaha Beach, nothing from JO compares
Moh -'s
-MultiPlayer, Sniping is easy, BAR takes zero skill....its like the Hvy Repeater alt fire
-Support blows
-EA

JO +'s
- Light Sabers
- Sound
- Multi player
-Jedi Acedemy lvl rocked

JO -'s
- Some weapons balances
- the Ease of the hvy stance, to easy, should be more vunerable when using Hvy Stance
- Light Stance, seems useless, R-P-S shoucl come into effect here, Hvy stance should block maybe 20% of a Light stances attacks, Same for light vs Hvy.
- First 3 lvls dragged on

Toa Tahu
04-29-2002, 01:33 AM
What do you mean breathless?Breathless in terms of graphics or gameplay?

But why are some people choosing MOHAA?I mean,MOHAA is PLAIN,I repeat,PLAIN shooting and nothing else!I don't mean that you all are wrong,but how can plain shooting be compared to lightsaber,force?

brosser_1999
04-29-2002, 01:52 AM
I think it was a tie.

Mainly because the two games outweighed each other in opposite areas.
MOH's SP was phenominal, atmosphere etc. while its MP is mediocre at best.
JO's MP is phenominal and while its SP was good, it wasn't as outstanding as MOH's.......

at least thats what I think.....:D

insert flames, derogatory
statements, etc. here----------> :evil5:

Raynaga
04-29-2002, 03:54 AM
MoH all the way.

You people say JO is one of the best games ever, but stop being blinded by the glow of that lightsaber for five seconds and realize you have a true example of mediocrity. The levels are poorly designed, the plot paper-thin, and the weapons (aside from the saber) are a joke. Multiplayer JO is Quake Star Wars-ified, while MoH has immersive team elements that make its multiplayer something actually worth playing.

--R--

patchx
04-29-2002, 04:30 AM
compare the MOHAA sniper level to outcasts

MOHAA's snipertown level was freakin amazing

the rain beating down, scurrying from one incredibly realistic semi destroyed building to another, dodging sniper fire as your men got cut down around you

it felt very much like i was in europe in the 1940s trying really hard not to die

JO's sniper level in Nar shadaa was a joke
it was just so crap and obviously hurried

i didnt feel like i was in the game, i felt like i was in a crap level with dumb ass rodians taking pot shots at me as i ran across bridges inbetween an unconving pseudo-cityscape that loked like a four year old with some lego built it.

but ultimately it doesnt matter, because JO's gameplay would be fun in a small grey room with just you and tavion

i know this cause i tried it, and it was fun ... well funnish.

-patch

Vestril
04-29-2002, 06:36 AM
Deus Ex = best SP game, period - only thing to come close is System Shock 2, which arguably the most scarey SP game.

Deus Ex...I don't think that anything can compare to that, hopefuly Deus Ex 2 will. That game was simply...too cool for words.

I was lucky enough to borrow MoHAA from a friend because that game pretty much bored me to the point of not being able to finish it. Some of the environments were pretty spectacular and the Omaha beach thing was moderately cool but it just couldn't keep my interest...

skankyhoe
04-29-2002, 07:34 AM
You think 92% is a low mark, you gotta be kidding right?

The lightsaber in JO is dead dead fun maing the other weapons pretty redundant unless needed (ie, disruptor for sniping), and in SP when you get saber defence level3, it gets a bit boring being able to reflect most shots back to the shooter.

MOH however has a more 'epic' feel to it, especially the omaha beach level it feels like you're part of something bigger, it is annoying when being tagged by snipers that are really really well hidden but its all part of what a sniper is supposed to do, I mean he/she isnt going just sit in the open and make it plainly obvious where they are, are they?

Theres no real direct comparison to the 2 games (bar both being FPS game and you both control humans) so its a pretty useless poll, would kinda on the same lines as "who would win, a guy with a lightsaber or a guy mp40, if it was set in the 1940s on omaha beach, and bacta tanks" (ie it makes no sense whatsoever)

:)

Vestril
04-29-2002, 07:54 AM
lol, good point skanky...and interesting name...lol

WhiteChedda
04-29-2002, 08:14 AM
Originally posted by Toa Tahu
Heh,this will sooner or later be a trend for JK2ers,or rather be banned by the mods or the admins.

Anyway,this thread,as I saw,at PCG108(U.K.),saw that MOHAA got 95%,and JO only got 92%.I just wonder why,when they used 6 pages to post something and then give such low marks.

When compared to JO,MOHAA is just pure shooting.Nothing else but shooting.Do you get to use the saber?Do oyu get to choke someone?No right?Then how did it ever get 95%?Please correct me if I'm wrong.

Hard to say, MOH:AA multiplayer is fun, the single player is ludicrously short though. I literally beat it in under 24 hours, at least 8 of which was sleep. JK2 took me 2 weeks, in comparison. I was not RUSHING through either. AS to MOH:AA just shooting, not really, you can ot to sneak past an enemy in most parts, though I always shot them. Because of the shortness I was dissatisfied with MOH:AA [since being 56K I mostly play single], I was happy with JO, though it was no marathon. I just picked up Ruins of myth dranon, so far I am pissed, it took me forever to figure out why my mage could npot cast spells, apparetnly someone felt traditional D&D INT was not the prime req for a wizard any more. Grrr....................Rasafrackin charisma, who ever heard of a charismatic, chaotic evil mage? Bah!!!!!!

As to Dues Ex, missed that one, and since it uses a certain pain in the ass engine, intend to miss the second one as well. :) SS2, I still play til this day, that game owns, crappy graphics, worst netcode and all.

txa1265
04-29-2002, 09:19 AM
Originally posted by NerfYoda


Personally I didn't get any bad performance in MOHAA. I'm kindof a sucker for wargames though, so that may contribute to why I feel MOHAA has nicer atmosphere... :) But really, Nar shadda vs Omaha Beach. Who do you think would come out on top in terms of atmosphere?

... that really is the question, isn't it ...

Saber combat / Force Powers aside, 15 hours gameplay vs. 8 aside, if your answer to the above question is Omaha, you are bound to prefer MoH:AA. If it is Nar Shadda, JKII.

Personally, I was disappointed when I finished the Nar Shadda levels, I really enjoyed them ... but I also liked Bespin, and on and on ...

As for design, both games are extremely linear, but try to look otherwise. For me, I thought that MoH:AA showed its' linearity through the compass - worse yet, if you follow the compass too closely, instead of following corners you can easily run into 'the end of the world'. In JKII I did that in the swamp once or twice, but not otherwise.
Mike

Vestril
04-29-2002, 09:42 AM
[QUOTE]As to Dues Ex, missed that one, and since it uses a certain pain in the ass engine, intend to miss the second one as well. [QUOTE]

Alllllright but there is just wayyyyy too much interesting gameplay to be had, its like a Role Playing FPS...its just too awesome. Its also from the heyday of the multiple endings, which I always appreciated... (c'mon, Tex Murphy: Pandora Directive had SEVEN endings... I wish it worked on my current comp :()

CM_Third
04-29-2002, 10:03 AM
Hmm lets see, two different games but on their own merits i guess Jedi Outcast is better. MOHAA's omaha beach captured everyone because everyone already new the story behind it. Jedi Outcast had to make its storyline pretty much from scratch. Jedi knight single player captured you in the epic saber battles where you can expect that sort of thing where in Medal of honour you want massive co operative running through places with AI killing people, well the first mission everyone dies and apart from runnign up the beach, where you ahve to do everything yourself still (bangalores) when you get to the trench they are like, run ahead and kill eveyrone while we sit here and have a cup of tea. Jedi Outcast, Luke skywalker does something, hell thanks to the spawning cheats you can play every mission co operative with either luke skywalker or a bunch of troops to make the best atmosphere.

I first played MOh multiplayer and thought wow, ide get the axis rifle and kill all the Machine gun whores :p . Like i said i thought WOW. Then i got jk2, played MP and the new line of WOW was met. I tried going back to MoH, i found it boring, annoying, and also how unbalanced the guns are. Jedi Knight 2 is a much more balanced game in my opinion.


So to conclude, both games are great for what they are, but i think Jedi Outcast is a much more fun game, and interesting to play.

But then thats my opinion.

txa1265
04-29-2002, 10:51 AM
Originally posted by Vestril
[QUOTE]As to Dues Ex, missed that one, and since it uses a certain pain in the ass engine, intend to miss the second one as well. [QUOTE]

Alllllright but there is just wayyyyy too much interesting gameplay to be had, its like a Role Playing FPS...its just too awesome. Its also from the heyday of the multiple endings, which I always appreciated... (c'mon, Tex Murphy: Pandora Directive had SEVEN endings... I wish it worked on my current comp :()

Besides the fact that this is a MoH vs JO thread, not everyone 'got' Deus Ex - I know I didn't get into it. I played the demo a bit, and never even finished that.

That is why 'best ever' type things are so subjective. For me, JKII is 'best ever', for others it is Half-Life or Deus Ex or MoH:AA or some other FPS ... and that is just in the FPS world. For me, a mediocre FPS is better than a first-class RTS or RPG or other strategy or sim or whatever. FPS is my thing, saber is my weapon ... JKII is my game:D

Mike

TasamBladefire
04-29-2002, 11:16 AM
I have put countless hours into both SP and especially MP for Jedi Outcast.

I stopped playing MOHAA as soon as I beat SP.....it just wasnt fun enough for me.
(Also JO looks, as well as runs much more smoothly than MOH did.)

And I think the atmosphere in JO was incredible at points. The laser fire, the humming of my saber, Lando running along side me blasting Rodians... great Star Wars feel to it. But I do guess that MOHAA had a better atmosphere, JO's atmosphere is superb anyway, and due to all its other plusses, JO comes out on top for me. (RTCW got owned by these too, no? :) )

Verlex
04-29-2002, 11:34 AM
This has been stated before, but as that really cheezy G Puff ditty Dog song said "What about the" omaha "baby?"

Icebreaker
04-29-2002, 11:42 AM
MOHAA's multiplayer is better to some extent. Right now the only fun mode of JK2 multi is duel, and until a saber patch is realased, it's just plain repetitive (run around spining...).

MOHAA's single player is better in a way. You really feel like in a movie like Saving Private Ryan when you are playing MOHAA. Even with no cutscenes, it's still very fun, especially the missions where you disguise as a german.

JK2 singleplayer has one problem. It relies too heavily on the puzzle system. It has TOO MANY puzzles and not enough action.

Also, the cutscenes in JK2 is just plain ugly... I mean the kisses.... eww....

NewBJedi
04-29-2002, 11:50 AM
Originally posted by WhiteChedda
As to Dues Ex, missed that one, and since it uses a certain pain in the ass engine, intend to miss the second one as well. :) SS2, I still play til this day, that game owns, crappy graphics, worst netcode and all.

Deus Ex's engine is Unreal and works fanastic for the game - the AI is pretty good and the levels are large and immersive - and you can move just about any object. The level of interactvity in Deus Ex suprasses any game to date - and the ways to accomplish something is just as diverse. It has a very high replay value.

I highly recommend grabbing Deus Ex for probably the best SP experience you'll ever have.

DarthBalls BONG
04-29-2002, 11:53 AM
JUNGLE BOOGEY

NewBJedi
04-29-2002, 11:55 AM
Originally posted by Raynaga
MoH all the way.

You people say JO is one of the best games ever, but stop being blinded by the glow of that lightsaber for five seconds and realize you have a true example of mediocrity. The levels are poorly designed, the plot paper-thin, and the weapons (aside from the saber) are a joke. Multiplayer JO is Quake Star Wars-ified, while MoH has immersive team elements that make its multiplayer something actually worth playing.

--R--

Um .. actually MOH:AA's multiplayer is very weak.

Just about everything you've said is the opposite.

I can't even begin contradicting you - basically MOH:AA = sniper (omaha map) shotgun, rocket, and grenade fest.

JO has so much more I woudn't know where to start - such as multilevel maps, things you can do with maps - trash compactors, elevators, breakable glass (that really does break), Ghoul 2, secondary fire weapons, force, lightsaber.

Ugh... go play your MOH:AA and I'll have fun with a game with true MP - Jedi Outcast. :)

NewBJedi
04-29-2002, 11:57 AM
Originally posted by Vestril


Deus Ex...I don't think that anything can compare to that, hopefuly Deus Ex 2 will. That game was simply...too cool for words.

I was lucky enough to borrow MoHAA from a friend because that game pretty much bored me to the point of not being able to finish it. Some of the environments were pretty spectacular and the Omaha beach thing was moderately cool but it just couldn't keep my interest...

It must be the Sci-Fi thing - at least for me.

Deus Ex and JO are very Sci-Fi and have a bunch of ways to do things - they also make you think.

I guess those who prefer MOH:AA would rather point and aim instead of making an analysis of their situation. :p

NewBJedi
04-29-2002, 12:02 PM
Originally posted by CM_Third
I first played MOh multiplayer and thought wow, ide get the axis rifle and kill all the Machine gun whores :p . Like i said i thought WOW. Then i got jk2, played MP and the new line of WOW was met. I tried going back to MoH, i found it boring, annoying, and also how unbalanced the guns are. Jedi Knight 2 is a much more balanced game in my opinion.


So to conclude, both games are great for what they are, but i think Jedi Outcast is a much more fun game, and interesting to play.

But then thats my opinion. [/B]

You aren't alone. Most personal and web site reviews would easily the replay value in JO exceeds MOH:AA.

MOH:AA gets really boring after dealing with the respawning enemies in SP. Multiplayer is beyond a joke with massive clipping issues, extremely limited movement, almost no voting system, and the complete lack of diversity in server options for weapons, etc.

NewBJedi
04-29-2002, 12:04 PM
Originally posted by txa1265
Besides the fact that this is a MoH vs JO thread, not everyone 'got' Deus Ex - I know I didn't get into it. I played the demo a bit, and never even finished that.


You should consider the full version. After the first mission Deus Ex gets very interesting. It not only feels like a game, but like you are zapped into a movie and interacting with every part of it. Quite amazing stuff.

How Deus Ex plays is entirely up to you - there are tons of skill enhancements, huge amount of inventory items, augmentations, and then how you deal with each person you meet, the environment around you, the paths you take, etc. You can go guns blazing, sneak around, interact, find secret entrances or hacks, or find even more methods to accomplish goals that you wish to set for yourself.

I love it how you can drink too much and get drunk or if you smoke too much it kills you. :)

txa1265
04-29-2002, 12:27 PM
I agree - I find the replay value on JKII much better. I even replay RtCW more than MoH. At first I liked that you could start a 'new' game from any point after beating the game, but I found I don't care ...

txa1265
04-29-2002, 12:44 PM
Originally posted by NewBJedi


You should consider the full version. After the first mission Deus Ex gets very interesting. It not only feels like a game, but like you are zapped into a movie and interacting with every part of it. Quite amazing stuff.

How Deus Ex plays is entirely up to you - there are tons of skill enhancements, huge amount of inventory items, augmentations, and then how you deal with each person you meet, the environment around you, the paths you take, etc. You can go guns blazing, sneak around, interact, find secret entrances or hacks, or find even more methods to accomplish goals that you wish to set for yourself.

I love it how you can drink too much and get drunk or if you smoke too much it kills you. :)

Thanks for the tip ... I might just pick it up at some point. I have the luxury of (or being old enough to ) having a few dollars around for stuff I want to do like this.

acdcfanbill
04-29-2002, 12:46 PM
the timeline on smoke hurting you in that game is a little short, i mean, no one could die from one pack of smokes :D its the one pack a day for 40 years that kills ya.... yea, Deus Ex is a great game, but i have to say, its Star Wars for me...

skankyhoe
04-29-2002, 01:18 PM
On a side note, how pointless is a thread on a JK2 based forums asking which is better, Jedi Outcast or some other game...

Its like asking on planetMOH which is the meaner nazi officer, the RTCW one or the MOH one ...errrrrr?!

How about "JO vs licking plant pots" poll?

:)

txa1265
04-29-2002, 01:41 PM
Originally posted by skankyhoe
On a side note, how pointless is a thread on a JK2 based forums asking which is better, Jedi Outcast or some other game...

Its like asking on planetMOH which is the meaner nazi officer, the RTCW one or the MOH one ...errrrrr?!

How about "JO vs licking plant pots" poll?

:)

As for the poll - absolutely agree. But the interesting point here - as on PlanetMOH or PlanetWolfenstein - is the discussion and the idea exchange.

It makes you think ... I thought I liked MoH:AA about the same as RtCW - yet I've played most of RtCW again, and repeated some parts again and again ... but MoH:AA I've tinkered with a couple of times since beating it, but not much.

... JKII, on the other hand, has been in my CD drive for nearly a month ...

Mike

Wicket the Ewok
04-29-2002, 02:01 PM
PC Gamer UK reviewed the game about 2 months before it went gold. The only reason they gave it 92% was because if they didn't no-one would ever give them world exclusive reviews ever again.

Look at their sister magazine, Edge. Reviewed the game about 3 months later and gave it a pitiful 4/10.

I think 4/10 is a bit harsh, maybe 6/10 would be fairer. JO suffered from appalling level design, an incredibly dull first 3 levels (the levels where you're supposed to be drawing the player in, not discourage them from continuing!) and the worst selection of guns ever.

MOH:AA lacked a decent plot but the levels where varied, fun and well thought out. Multiplayer is pretty fun too. Not worth 95% (perhaps 90%) but still waaaaay better than JO.

skankyhoe
04-29-2002, 02:14 PM
Originally posted by txa1265


As for the poll - absolutely agree. But the interesting point here - as on PlanetMOH or PlanetWolfenstein - is the discussion and the idea exchange.

It makes you think ... I thought I liked MoH:AA about the same as RtCW - yet I've played most of RtCW again, and repeated some parts again and again ... but MoH:AA I've tinkered with a couple of times since beating it, but not much.

... JKII, on the other hand, has been in my CD drive for nearly a month ...

Mike

I've not touched RTCW since completing it, still hacking my way through MOH on hard (so takes a while for frequent "ARRRGH" timeouts :)) and JO gets played when I fancy a bit of multiplayer fun and the SOF2 beta (random mission mode) when I need reminding what the game of the year (imo) will be :) and on top of that, its just fun :D

One of the missions that I'll do again is the Omaha beach level, just for the "feel" of it. Cant think of anything on RCTW that stood out as it were. I'll have to say that the one thing I enjoyed about JO single player was the Tavion fight, you have a fairly low set of force powers and have just the normal style (and if you dont use speed) its a challenging fight = fun.

:)

Reverse
04-29-2002, 05:43 PM
If you all are looking for a good WWII shooting game, dont go out and spend 60 bucks on MOH, downlad DayofDefeat, its a mod for Half-life or Counter strike, and many MOH players that have tried DOD, have rated DOD much better then MOH :p

davalb
04-29-2002, 05:53 PM
You are right but the majority of easy-play gamers like the simplicity of just running around and killing people doom style. they do not like the complexity of having to figure out all of the force powers and the saber strategies. point shoot games are the best for them i guess.
don't get me wrong, I think that you are absolutely right in that JO is amazing. It is one of the best games that I have ever played in my life, but some people just can't grasp it

Zoda
04-29-2002, 06:10 PM
JK2=pwn!
MoHAA=very cool!

I think both Games are very well done but nothing can beat star wars end of story.

GreyJedi
04-29-2002, 07:51 PM
I have to put another plug in for Deus Ex.

BEST game I have ever played. The fact that it was innovative, executed well, and had variety makes it miles ahead of any other single person FPS out there that I have encountered.

The only potential threats to it's reign as my personal favoriteare Halo (for the PC - when it finally comes out; damn Microsoft for stealing it for the X-Box first) and Deus Ex 2.

NewBJedi
04-29-2002, 07:53 PM
Originally posted by davalb
You are right but the majority of easy-play gamers like the simplicity of just running around and killing people doom style. they do not like the complexity of having to figure out all of the force powers and the saber strategies. point shoot games are the best for them i guess.
don't get me wrong, I think that you are absolutely right in that JO is amazing. It is one of the best games that I have ever played in my life, but some people just can't grasp it

This is the very reason why stupid politicians are so powerful. :)

NewBJedi
04-29-2002, 08:01 PM
Originally posted by Wicket the Ewok
PC Gamer UK reviewed the game about 2 months before it went gold. The only reason they gave it 92% was because if they didn't no-one would ever give them world exclusive reviews ever again.

Look at their sister magazine, Edge. Reviewed the game about 3 months later and gave it a pitiful 4/10.

I think 4/10 is a bit harsh, maybe 6/10 would be fairer. JO suffered from appalling level design, an incredibly dull first 3 levels (the levels where you're supposed to be drawing the player in, not discourage them from continuing!) and the worst selection of guns ever.

MOH:AA lacked a decent plot but the levels where varied, fun and well thought out. Multiplayer is pretty fun too. Not worth 95% (perhaps 90%) but still waaaaay better than JO.

*Force grips you*

The MP maps are the best I've ever played in any game - I've played em all from Quake to Tribes to RTS's.

FiringSquad and Gamespot and other reviewers disagree with you...

Look here:

http://www2.ravensoft.com/jedioutcast/awards.htm

Anyhow, you are just wrong.

Yes, it's possible to be wrong in life.

Jk2 rocks - and that's a fact. :cool:

Kurgan
04-29-2002, 08:48 PM
A review is just that.. someone's opinion. You don't have to agree or disagree. The way I see it, anybody who's played a game is authorized to write a review. If it's well written I'll read it, even if I don't agree, just to get another point of view, but in the end, what you like is what you like.

Maybe you can't put it into words, sometimes that's true too. These guys get paid to write reviews, and sometimes they're biased, but that often can't be helped, like I said, a game might be awesome, but you just don't like it (then it's important to say WHY) and a game might be mediocre, but you liked it just the same. Some reviewers take other games that came out around the same time into account, others rate a game on its own merits.

I take most entertainment reviews with a grain of salt, especially if I've already consumed the actual product, and have formed my own opinion. If I haven't, I check out multiple reviews, but ultimately it's up to me to decide.

In the case of a game with no demo, it's kind of tough if you're looking to buy the game, but then I guess you can always go by a friend's opinion of the game. Maybe you trust them more than the guy behind the desk (or computer screen). ; )

And incidentally, I think it's good that a game gets both good and bad reviews (even if everybody thinks one side is "wrong") because they (assuming they are honest) will give their reasons why, so a prospective buyer can weigh those in mind. Like one person might love the game and harp on how great the saber combat is, or another person might hate the game and point out the tedium and annoyance of the puzzles. After reading both, you'll see strengths and weaknesses of the game (again, assuming they are honest).