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Paragon_Leon
08-24-2001, 07:08 PM
hey Kvan / everybody that noticed the 'butt-ugly' whale-unit in the Gungans-screenshots..

the new concept-art posted on the official Battlegrounds site (www.lucasarts.com/products/battlegrounds) has identified the unit as the 'Gungan Dunsenn Flop Carrier'. It's the 6th concept-art image.

This clears up that it's a carrier for the Gungans. So no whale-farts as a weapon, i guess..
:D :D

darthfergie
08-24-2001, 07:22 PM
Originally posted by Paragon_Leon
hey Kvan / everybody that noticed the 'butt-ugly' whale-unit in the Gungans-screenshots..

the new concept-art posted on the official Battlegrounds site (www.lucasarts.com/products/battlegrounds) has identified the unit as the 'Gungan Dunsenn Flop Carrier'. It's the 6th concept-art image.

This clears up that it's a carrier or the Gungans. So no whale-farts as a weapon, i guess..
:D :D

I was going to post this same thread 20 minutes ago...but the web froze up on me so...:(

I'm a good reporter though:D

Tie Guy
08-24-2001, 08:57 PM
AHHHHHHHHHH!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! I thought we might have gotten lucky and they changed it, but no such luck.

So far that's the only thing i've seen from GB that i don't like.

Darth Maul Jr.
08-24-2001, 09:00 PM
I like the whale unit. It suits the gugan civilization style and it looks cool to me...besides...what else would they use as a gungan aerial transport?

Tie Guy
08-24-2001, 09:07 PM
BIRDS!!!!! Whales are not meant to fly, not even when Hell freezes over! They just look too ugly for me, good thing i don't use air transports that often.

Darth Maul Jr.
08-24-2001, 09:12 PM
Well Sherlok, if you pay any attention to the photo that it IS NOT a whale, but some type of ballon fish, bird, whale hybrid. We just use the term whale because it is the quickest and easiest way to describe it! Besides Lucas arts doesnt even call it a whale, we do.
How bout lookin be'fer blabbin!:eek:

Paladin
08-24-2001, 09:26 PM
Awesome Concept Art.
Thanx 4 making me aware of the new art :)

Paladin
08-24-2001, 09:27 PM
It's a bird.No it's a plane. Wait!It's a flying Whale!:confused: :eek: :rolleyes:

Darth_Rommel
08-24-2001, 09:32 PM
Originally posted by Darth Maul Jr.
Well Sherlok, if you pay any attention to the photo that it IS NOT a whale, but some type of ballon fish, bird, whale hybrid. We just use the term whale because it is the quickest and easiest way to describe it! Besides Lucas arts doesnt even call it a whale, we do.
How bout lookin be'fer blabbin!:eek:

Sherlock... it's Sherlock... and it does look like a whale ;)

Darth Maul Jr.
08-24-2001, 09:37 PM
Ah, ok screw let me just replace sherlock with *beep* since you actually went ahead and made a whole post just to point out a spelling error..so..*beep* ..Its not a whale, it a Dunsenn Flop carrier thingy...closest description is a whale...you say tomatoe, i say ketchup..lets call the whole person stupid!

From Sherack: tsk tsk tsk... no flaming whatsoever here, my friend. You have been warned.

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"..soon it will get confused and wander off!"

Darth Maul Jr.
08-24-2001, 10:01 PM
eh...ok well anyways..whatever! The Dunsenn flop looks great for Gungans! It's an organic zeppelin. Nice and quiet. Only other thing i could think of for an aerial transport for gungans would probably be some kinda big winged bird hauling a shuttle of some sort or a bunch of birds hauling one. The giant Boomba launcher thing looks cool too!:D

darthfergie
08-24-2001, 10:02 PM
Originally posted by Darth Maul Jr.
Well Sherlok, if you pay any attention to the photo that it IS NOT a whale, but some type of ballon fish, bird, whale hybrid. We just use the term whale because it is the quickest and easiest way to describe it! Besides Lucas arts doesnt even call it a whale, we do.
How bout lookin be'fer blabbin!:eek:

Yes But the concept of Whales is so outrageous that it sticks...birds...to normal and if you didn't notice we're all wierd here:D

Lord JayVizIon
08-25-2001, 12:41 AM
well, whales may not be meant to fly, but i don't have a problem with that whale unit. and air transports could come in handy, esp. in spots on a map where you can't walk there...

Admiral Odin
08-25-2001, 01:08 AM
If i could see the unit I could give a better comment arrg. (it won't work.)


I was hopping for an air transport, great to get people behing enemy lines quickly.

God
08-25-2001, 08:14 AM
i was hoping that the whale was a joke. it fits i guess. i hope someone makes a units and buildings page and try to work something out.

Paladin
08-25-2001, 10:25 AM
It kinda fits with the Gungans weird buildings and creatures.
:barf::amidala:

Darth Maul Jr.
08-25-2001, 10:58 AM
That guy at the Imperial Garrison web page has a listing of the units he can make out from the screenshots...but he's often way off on the names, like calling that turret a Missle Knight when its just a missle turret.. the knight is underneath the word missle, but its the artists name followed by the date he finished it...he admits to just making guesses though, so check out his page.

Tie Guy
08-25-2001, 12:21 PM
Originally posted by Paladin
It kinda fits with the Gungans weird buildings and creatures.
:barf::amidala:

No way, the other gungan sructures and units look great, but that thing is plain ugly. When i looked at the gungan screen for the first time it immediately caught my eye, a dead giveaway that it doesn't fit in.

darthfergie
08-25-2001, 12:27 PM
Originally posted by Tie Guy


No way, the other gungan sructures and units look great, but that thing is plain ugly. When i looked at the gungan screen for the first time it immediately caught my eye, a dead giveaway that it doesn't fit in.

Same here TIE Guy...it was soooo strange

xwing guy
08-25-2001, 12:28 PM
This air transport for the gungans looks ok to me. And that gungan blaster cannon looks cool though!

Paragon_Leon
08-25-2001, 12:32 PM
i kind of liked the concept.
if you imagine that jarjar was early on described as 'obligatory cute', you'll laugh quite hard at his ugliness.
Nobody whined about the Soviet zeppelins from RA2, which were a bit weird as well. These units' organic looks suit the Gungans to a tee, and i won't be surprised if people accept them early on in playing.

Tie Guy
08-25-2001, 02:05 PM
Zeplins looked cool, beczuse they were suppoesed to fly. They are real, and they are blimps, not flying whales. You didn't see any subs with wings flying around RA2, just like you didn't see any planes underwater. They should leave the whales ion the water, surely they could think of something better, it doesn't even have wings really. Whats it gonna do, flap its tale to produce thrust?

xwing guy
08-25-2001, 02:34 PM
Maybe its body naturally makes helium so it can fly.

Tie Guy
08-25-2001, 02:37 PM
not enough helium would fit inside that to carry itself, much less 10 troops.

Darth_Rommel
08-25-2001, 02:46 PM
hmmm.... It's name is also ugly ;)

xwing guy
08-25-2001, 05:04 PM
Yes it does kinda of a strange name a flop thingy or something like that.

Darth Maul Jr.
08-25-2001, 08:38 PM
Wow! its not a whale guys! that's just its nickname that all of us have given it...it's a dunsenn flop...i assume dunsenn is some type of creature that LOOKS like a whale silhouette..but is obviously something entirely diffeent...whethere its air or helium in its body, i suppose it is just able to keep its self in the air somehow..just like the zerg guardians did. You didnt see wings on the Guardians did you? They werent on Devourers either...they were just able to float cuz they're alien creatures and our rules of physics dont apply to them. It's not a whale...its a Dunsenn Flop!

Admiral Odin
08-25-2001, 09:39 PM
although not pretty unit I think it fits the GunGuns. If you noticed the "whale" part is belly up=ie dead. Seems the take a Dussen, kill it and use it to make their air transport.


http://www.lucasarts.com/products/battlegrounds/images/screens/17.jpg


You can see the "whale" unit in this screen shot. (It doesn't look that bad if you ask me.

Darth Maul Jr.
08-25-2001, 10:25 PM
I dont think the gungans killed it.. In the screenshot it says air comes in through the gills and shoots out like a jet...so i assume that is a natural function of the creature like breathing. Im bettin its still alive, just that the gungans have tamed it and the beast(whatever it is) has allowed them to attack personnell carrier device to its belly!:D

Tie Guy
08-25-2001, 11:19 PM
The whales not "belly up" It looks just like a normal living whale.....FLOATING IN MIDAIR!!!!!!!!!!

It would be a really cool unit if it was in the water, but they had to put it in the air, surely they could have made something better than that.

Compa_Mighty
08-25-2001, 11:23 PM
Eh, it's ok, it looks cool, anyway. The gungans look cool.

Admiral Odin
08-26-2001, 12:32 AM
IN concept drawings it appeared that way.


I kind of like it.

Booya2020
08-26-2001, 09:35 PM
Also, have you noticed that the develpoers are making units look similar? They say they want to make each race as accesable as possible so that means making buildings and units look similar. You already know this but what im getting at is that the dunsen flop is probably modeled after the wookie carrier so they couldnt use a bird. Proof of this is the very similar looking ships. Im talking about those round ones that every race has. Just look at the screenshots. So far ive seen a Gungan, impirial, TF versions. Tell me if ive missed any.

Darth Maul Jr.
08-26-2001, 09:58 PM
Jeez...ok one more time it seems...look at hte concept art. First off it has a beak, or a bill...whales dont have a bills or beaks. Second the they said the tail had feathers...how many whales you seen with feathers,..the times when you werent on weed i mean. So its not a whale, it some kind of species that unique to Naboo. I didnt say it was belly up i siad they prolly tamed the creature which in turn prolly didnt put up a fight when they attached a troop carrier to its belly somehow.

Admiral Odin
08-26-2001, 10:05 PM
I was the one to say it looked like it was belly up. :D

Tie Guy
08-26-2001, 10:07 PM
Its a whale man!!!! Look at that thing and tell me it's not a whale. They can say it has feathers and all, but it's still a whale. Did you think it was a whale, or at least looked like a whale before the concept. The only reason they put that screenshot in is coz they had to find some way to justify that that whale wasn't really stupid looking. They had to explain it too us so they wouldn't look stupid. Still, there's no way around it, that is a giant whale that is floating in midair. Call it the "wind fish" if you want, but it's a whale.

And about all the units looking alike, Booya, where are you getting that from?!? None of the units look alike, did you even look at the screens, they are totally differnt. The rebels have a bulk transport, and the gungans have a whale that looks nothing like a rebel transport. Some of the resource centers may look similar, but what do you expect?

Darth Maul Jr.
08-26-2001, 10:13 PM
wa? You honestly think that thing is an earth whale? hmm...i got a new game...its called guess the drug that tie guy is on!!!

Darth Maul Jr.
08-26-2001, 10:16 PM
Plus they said that the building silhouttes would be somewhat similar but they never said anything about the units looking the same... How can you find a similarity between a droid, storm trooper and a gungan warrior???????:confused: :eek: :mad:

Admiral Odin
08-26-2001, 10:20 PM
The only similarity I can determine is that, those three units basically preform the same task, but then agian that would be a given.

Could you explain it a little better, if you still disagree.

Darth Maul Jr.
08-26-2001, 10:28 PM
No i dont disagree..i was talking in terms of graphics...all three of those are the basic infantry unit and they all look completely different. I know what that guy was talking about though..in AOK, they used the same silhouttes for buildings but gave them different skins kinds...look at the archery range for asian, european, and middle eastern civs...they all are designed the same but have graphic/skin differences...Lucasarts supposedly stuck with that, but units are completely unique.

Also i wonder how earth whales made it to Naboo...did a Naboo settler bring some whales with them from earth? But then how did hte whales learn to adapt with the lack of cuttlefish..their main food supply? Does Naboo's oceans have cuttlefish too or did they Naboo get smart and bring cuttlefish species with them to Naboo as well? If its an earth whale, why did Gungans use them as units instead of the Naboo? Did the Naboo see flying whales as useless? How did the Gungans get earth whales to fly? Did they cross breed them with blowfish? Implant helium glands? Are the feathers an act of evolution or did the Gungans surgiacally graft the feathers onto their bodies???

Admiral Odin
08-26-2001, 10:42 PM
Thanks I wasn't sure what he meant by all looking the same.


I think this was said before but I will repeat it. We call the thing a whale because it ressembles a whale. That doesn't mean we actually believe it is a whale.

Darth Maul Jr.
08-26-2001, 10:50 PM
Tell that to tie guy!:D

Also..maybe it's a Naboo whale..and Naboo whales can fly! Its possible Naboo is close to never never land and Peter Pan may have made a pit stop at Naboo once or twice and maybe him and tigerlilly talked to the whales and the whales told them they wanted to fly.:o

Gamma732
08-26-2001, 11:45 PM
*cough cough* Zerg Overlord!!! *cough*

Ahem, excuse me. ;) Its just like an Overlord from SC. Its basic shape, its purpose, the fact that its just floating for no appearant reason are very similar to the Zerg Overlord. It kind of looks ok with the Gungans, and if it was dead and used like a balloon, then it'd make sense. But just the idea of a whale looking organism flying...whales look like they do to be able to SWIM, not fly.(ie: shiny, rubbery skin, flippers) So I have to say I don't think it was a good idea.

And I liked the Wind Fish reference tie :D

General Nilaar
08-27-2001, 12:24 AM
Just give me a harpoon gun and that dorky looking flying whale is going down:mad:

Gamma732
08-27-2001, 01:07 AM
Ahoy, matey! Thar she blows off the port bow! Sorry, mention a harpoon and there has to be at least one corny sailor impression ;)

Well, I just thought of something...the Zerg Overlords were explained by saying that they floated because they had a pair of sacs on their sides that contained lighter-then-air-gases, so a creature just floating like that can be explained.......I guess. But still, why does it look like a whale??

*I'll just take that out of there. It wasen't intended to be thought of in that light.*

Tie Guy
08-27-2001, 07:50 AM
Originally posted by Darth Maul Jr.
wa? You honestly think that thing is an earth whale? hmm...i got a new game...its called guess the drug that tie guy is on!!!

No offense, but your the one that's high if you can't see that that is a whale.

Plus, why couldn't their be whales on Naboo? There is water, maybe they are native? They have giant shrimp, why not whales? The wouldn't need to bring over whales, that would be stupid. The thing is a whale, it looks like a whale, we call it a whale, its ugly, get over it.

Paragon_Leon
08-27-2001, 10:16 AM
It amazes me that the same people who think the Yuuzhan Vong would make a great expansion civ, also are calling this unit appalling. Think about it; how would Vong-units look ? I bet they'd resemble this 'whale-unit' in more than one way.
This is what Gungans do, folks...

Admiral Odin
08-27-2001, 01:19 PM
you bring up a good point. The Vong are into self mutalation and there units would have to be more ugly then this air unit....

Tie Guy
08-27-2001, 02:48 PM
if thats possibe ;)

Yeah, the vong would only have troops and different sizes of round pieces of rock, that would be great. :rolleyes:

Gamma732
08-27-2001, 06:24 PM
Well, the Vong's units would at least make sense. Huge pieces of rock flying around would make a little more sense then the whale thing. Its like I said before, whales look like whales because they need their bodies that way to swim and live underwater. Having something that looks like that flying just doesn't seem right. And the Vong ground units would make sense because for the most part, they look like giant beetles and such.

I just think it'd be a better if it didn't resemble a whale as closely as it does.....I'm not saying its bad because it's ugly, I'm saying its bad because it makes no sense.

Darth Maul Jr.
08-27-2001, 09:01 PM
Aim for the sacs....ROFLMFAO!!!!!

Darth Maul Jr.
08-28-2001, 08:35 PM
Tie Guy didnt you see the beak and the tail feathers in the concept drawing? That should be your first clue that this is not a whale. Wookies look a bit like bears dont they, but they're not.

oninosensi
08-28-2001, 09:36 PM
Feathers and a beak?

So it is a whale of a bird ya saying?

EndSub
09-26-2001, 11:26 PM
hell it ain't that ugly!

sure it resembles a whale.......but it suits the gungans....i like it :)

Arathorn_7
09-27-2001, 02:46 AM
My first post here, howdy. If you look at the concept art (especially the leftmost image profile view) it looks as if the mystery character is an upside down puffer fish. I'm not sure the official or scientific name for the fish, but its the one that expands its body as a defense mechanism. You know what I'm talking about. That's what it is, drawn upside down. What do you think?

EndSub
09-27-2001, 02:54 AM
i think its called a blow-fish.......