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Runtus_Prime
04-29-2002, 03:53 PM
Alright how can you cut ppl in half like on the Front of the site has that picture of the Trooper in two. I mean does anyone know how to make that happen?

godless_hordes
04-29-2002, 03:58 PM
Cheat method (*lots* of dismemberments, gives you a somewhat unfair advantage over NPCs due to the more powerful saber):

Open Console (shift `)

HelpUsObi 1
g_saberRealisticCombat 1

Close Console

Non-cheat method (fewer dismemberments, doesn't alter gameplay)

Open Console

g_dismemberment 3
g_dismemberProbabilities 0

Close Console

Runtus_Prime
04-29-2002, 04:01 PM
ohh my bro just tried the last 2 ^.^ OHH YEAH THERE WERE RIGHT IN 2!!

Usurper
04-29-2002, 04:33 PM
God-less:

Did you ever get my method to work for you?

godless_hordes
04-29-2002, 04:51 PM
Yes, Usurper, I did. I thought I mentioned it in one of the other threads...decided I'd spread the joy some more in this one. Thanks very much again. :thumbsup:

ItsNotMyFault
04-29-2002, 07:00 PM
isnt there a CFG file we can edit instead of going to the console every game?

BlackMagic
04-29-2002, 07:13 PM
you can put those values in your j2kmp.cfg I think.

godless_hordes
04-30-2002, 07:54 PM
You can create a new text file called autoexec.cfg and put your console commands in it. That will launch your tweaks on startup without obliging you to mess with the default cfg files.

JediKnight
05-01-2002, 12:05 AM
How can I do a step by step autoexec.cfg file with those variables? thanks

SPY_jmr1
05-01-2002, 01:10 AM
all a autoexec.cfg file is is a plain text doc, that go's in your 'base' dir.

the content is not anything diffrent then what you put in the console.

so step by step, is : 1 open notepad, type whatever commands commands you want oone line at a time like this;

command 1
command 2

save as "all files" and call it autoexec.cfg

and thats all.

SPY

Last-ReBel
05-01-2002, 04:24 AM
Ok, I said it before and I'll say it again.
Using "g_saberrealisticcombat 1" is not cheating.
Yes the saber is more deadly - thats because it should be!
Its a friggin' trapped, powerful, lethal laser. In the Star Wars Universe it cuts through people, steel, anything. Why shouldn't the game be the same way?
As for being unfair against NPCs, why? Reborn can cut YOU in half just as easily as you can them...right?
And shouldn't a trained Jedi have an edge over misc. bad guys and stormtroopers? Why of course, he/she has The Force!
This option should have been enabled by default - its much more fitting. And it sure as hack should be in multiplayer - you miss a saber block, you lose something (hand, arm, leg, head). Saber duels would be alot more about skill than running around swinging wildly with heavy style...so there :)

BigHairyWookie
05-01-2002, 12:52 PM
Originally posted by Last-ReBel
Ok, I said it before and I'll say it again.
Using "g_saberrealisticcombat 1" is not cheating.
Yes the saber is more deadly - thats because it should be!
Its a friggin' trapped, powerful, lethal laser. In the Star Wars Universe it cuts through people, steel, anything. Why shouldn't the game be the same way?
As for being unfair against NPCs, why? Reborn can cut YOU in half just as easily as you can them...right?
And shouldn't a trained Jedi have an edge over misc. bad guys and stormtroopers? Why of course, he/she has The Force!
This option should have been enabled by default - its much more fitting. And it sure as hack should be in multiplayer - you miss a saber block, you lose something (hand, arm, leg, head). Saber duels would be alot more about skill than running around swinging wildly with heavy style...so there :)

Exactly. I guess people don't understand the variable g_saberREALISTICcombat do they? 1 means ENABLED , 0 means DISABLED . Why is this called cheating? What's so hard to understand?

I think the reason this isn't the default setting, is so they could get a teen ESRB rating, similar to the way blood was left out of MOHAA.

acdcfanbill
05-01-2002, 01:22 PM
well, if every hit scored a kill, or made people loose extremities, then everyone would be useing light...

godless_hordes
05-01-2002, 01:51 PM
g_saberrealisticcombat 1 is a cheat because it makes the game easier. That all there is to it, really. Yes, it's a more realistic portrayal of the lightsaber; yes, the baddies can cut you up too; but for the most part you have so much of an advantage over any given baddie that giving both of you the extra power helps you more than it helps them. Plus, all those stormtroopers become even more saber-bait than they already are.

Mmmmm, trooper-chunks...parts is parts!...Drooool...

What I'd like to see is a mod that combines this cheat with improvements to the badguys' accuracy and shields, to restore the overall balance of the game while allowing a dismemberment with every fatality.

Ko'or Oragahn
05-01-2002, 03:57 PM
Another "this is a cheat" thread.

Guys, as someone said before me, it's mainly because of rating problems that this function isn't first allowed.

It is realistic, it is Star Wars, so please wake up. Needing to strike ten hits to an oponent is simply non Star Wars.

Btw, it's for SP. So until my computer tells me that I'm cheating and shouldn't, I don't care. Well, in any case, I don't care at all, because this is the way it should be played, otherwise Jedi and Sith wouldn't use these weapons, and the movies we would never see so much dismemberments.

But now, there must be a way to only hurt someone without necesseraly kill him. This is called wounding. Realsitic combat doesn't take care of wounding. Nevertheless, I still use realistic combat. It's better, it feels like SW. Thx.

waazzuupp
05-01-2002, 04:21 PM
in multiplayer...what so i type in the console to give me dismemberment??? i have tried allot of things ubut they don't ork. what do you type in the console?

Mertado
05-01-2002, 04:55 PM
Dismemberment in MP is bugged. Don't bother because the game will crash every trime someone gets dismembered.

g_saberRealisticCombat is not a cheat. It's a cvar that is disabled by default. You don't have to enable cheats to use it. It was included because Raven and LucasArts wanted you to be able to have the experience of using a lightsaber close to it's movie counterpart, but still get that 'T' ESRB rating. In the game's default state (dismemberment off), the representation of dismembering living beings would have gotten the game an 'M' rating and lost LucasArts and Activision a large share of the gaming public (ie money). That's why it takes a slightly entrepreneurial player to find out about it and play with it on. It's the same situation as the blood and nudity patches for Giants. PlanetMoon released these themselves after the offical game release and told everybody about them so those who wanted to could play the game as it was originally intended.

EDOX
05-01-2002, 06:10 PM
Originally posted by Last-ReBel
Ok, I said it before and I'll say it again.
Using "g_saberrealisticcombat 1" is not cheating.
Yes the saber is more deadly - thats because it should be!
Its a friggin' trapped, powerful, lethal laser. In the Star Wars Universe it cuts through people, steel, anything. Why shouldn't the game be the same way?
As for being unfair against NPCs, why? Reborn can cut YOU in half just as easily as you can them...right?
And shouldn't a trained Jedi have an edge over misc. bad guys and stormtroopers? Why of course, he/she has The Force!
This option should have been enabled by default - its much more fitting. And it sure as hack should be in multiplayer - you miss a saber block, you lose something (hand, arm, leg, head). Saber duels would be alot more about skill than running around swinging wildly with heavy style...so there :)

Agreed. Thats why it is called SaberRealisticCombat. I noticed that when I had it enabled it was not that much of an advantage. Reborn still took the same amount of time to kill as with it not enabled. IMO it is not an advantage cheat as it is a cosmetic cheat.

[TKK]Sgt._Manag
05-01-2002, 07:28 PM
When I type in g_saberrealisticcombat 1 in SP I get a message telling me that it is cheat protected. What is that? Is it now enabled, it didnt seem like it.

[TKK]Sgt._Manager

Sorry for such a noob question...oh well.

[TKK]Sgt._Manag
05-01-2002, 07:32 PM
Forget it I figured it out.

[TKK]Sgt._Manager

PsiSilverthorn
05-02-2002, 03:16 PM
That's because unlike what was posted above (g_saberRealisticCombat is not a cheat. It's a cvar that is disabled by default. You don't have to enable cheats to use it.)
it IS a cheat and you DO have to enable cheats with the helpusobi 1 command BEFORE you can use it! This contrasts with the dismemberment commands which do NOT reguire that you enable cheats. As much as those that like the "realistic saber" want to dispel the notion that its a cheat, the fact that you have to enable cheats to get it to work tells the story.

Arawyn
05-02-2002, 03:24 PM
It's not a cheat, its a realistic combat model.

PsiSilverthorn
05-02-2002, 04:40 PM
You have yet to explain why the game says that command is cheat protected? And why to use it you have to enable cheats with helpusobi 1 :)

Sorry it IS a cheat...Just a cool one :)

Gaming Nut
05-02-2002, 04:55 PM
I gusse skins are scrpits are cheats to after all they add to the game stuff that wasn't their at frist.

Really when did a few new effects added by a console commmand become a Cheat full health and ammo are cheats. 6 or 7 new neat looking effects arent a cheat. I gusse enabling some new effects after upgrading a vid card is a cheat to. I don' t use it but those who do are not cheaters in my book.

PsiSilverthorn
05-02-2002, 05:10 PM
As has been stated on and on and on the "realistic saber" changes the way damage is done in the game, it doesn't just add "new effects"...Graphic effects from a video card aren't even close to the same thing. Now if you have mod that gives you unlimited ammo and health then YES that is a cheat too, but getting more ammo and health in the game through pickups are again not the same thing. Skins are not cheats either. They don't change the way the game plays, just add new characters. Scripts??? I don't know anything about them but they could be a cheat. I don't know. Console commands could be a cheat or not. Depends on whether you have to enable cheat mode. If you have to turn cheat mode on with helpusobi 1 or devmap in order to use a console command then logic would seem to suggest that the command is a cheat. You can argue against this all you want but you would be wrong :)

PsiSilverthorn
05-02-2002, 05:18 PM
Hey...I don't care if you want to use this command....Why would I? You bought this game you play it the way you want to. The object is to have fun :) But why don't you guys quit trying to convince the rest of us that it isn't a cheat? Your arguing against logic and for what? To get the rest of us to say your not cheating? We aren't going to say that. So just give up already and have fun playing the game anyway you want :)

Gav
05-02-2002, 05:46 PM
Hey dude, I'm with you.

The fact that it says "Cheats are not enabled", or something to that effect, when you try to use it, makes it a cheat in my book.

If Raven calls it a cheat, then I think it is a cheat.

At my house, we call it cheatin'.

Yeah, I think it's cool, I think it's awesome, very realistic, very cool, but it's a cheat.

Anywho, not flamin' just claimin'.

BigHairyWookie
05-02-2002, 09:50 PM
Originally posted by PsiSilverthorn
You have yet to explain why the game says that command is cheat protected? And why to use it you have to enable cheats with helpusobi 1 :)

Sorry it IS a cheat...Just a cool one :)


According to Raven's Top Solution FAQ, timedemo is cheat protected. Does that mean if we use timedemo we are cheating?

Where is your proof that g_saberRealisticCombat being enabled makes the game less difficult or alters the damage inflicted? Please explain.

Regardless of whether g_saberRealisticCombat is enabled or not, the lightsaber is a one hit, one kill weapon on all non-lightsaber wielding NPC's in the game. Haven't you noticed?

And having this CVAR enabled has no effect on the hit points of boss characters either. Alot of the lightsaber carrying baddies have location based damage. For instance, Reborn troopers can be taken out with one well placed blow to the torso from the lightsaber...whether g_saberRealisticCombat is enabled or not.

PsiSilverthorn
05-03-2002, 12:41 AM
Oh Please! Timedemo doesn't even do anything except keeptrack of fps and generate an average. I don't know why it Raven/LucasArts made that command cheat protected but you are comparing apples and oranges by comparing it to the g_saberRealisticCombat command. As for proof that it changes damage modeling there have been countless people who attested to the fact that it does exactly that. And Raven will tell you exactly the same thing if you bothered to ask them. But back to my post above. WHY THE HECK ARE YOU EVEN TRYING TO CONVINCE US ITS NOT A CHEAT???? Just play the freaking game the way you want!!! Its a cheat and I'm not going to tell you otherwise.

Capt DirtBag
05-03-2002, 02:03 AM
Originally posted by PsiSilverthorn
Oh Please! Timedemo doesn't even do anything except keeptrack of fps and generate an average. I don't know why it Raven/LucasArts made that command cheat protected but you are comparing apples and oranges by comparing it to the g_saberRealisticCombat command. As for proof that it changes damage modeling there have been countless people who attested to the fact that it does exactly that. And Raven will tell you exactly the same thing if you bothered to ask them. But back to my post above. WHY THE HECK ARE YOU EVEN TRYING TO CONVINCE US ITS NOT A CHEAT???? Just play the freaking game the way you want!!! Its a cheat and I'm not going to tell you otherwise.

Right on Dude you are exactly right, well I agree with you. You know you are right you don't have to explain, don't get upset, it isn't worth it, remember you said just have fun!!!!!

Gaming Nut
05-03-2002, 02:54 AM
I was getting at what the above guy was saying that all guys without sabers die in one hit from light so even if it makes it 900 times as powerful it dosen't matter. If it changed reach or time to swing then Id call it a minor cheat but. Just doing more damage is not a cheat if it already kills in one hit its like hacking an AWP to do 5000000000 damage WTFs the piont it already kills in one hit.

To be a cheat you must gain an advantage that the oppent dose not. Frankly your already cheating just by playing SP JK but thats beside the piont since realstic combat gives you no real edge its not a cheat.

dalavita
05-03-2002, 05:50 PM
Its not a cheat.

f*ck the helpusobi 1 thing. devmapall 4 ever...


devmapall
g_saberrealisticcombat 1


g_saberrealisticcombat is not a cheat!!!! Because you dont gain any extra advantage. The other enemys gets harder to.

Think of it as an bonus for people who have found out about it.

Mobius47
05-03-2002, 06:17 PM
does it have the same effect as when dismamberment is turned on?
do enemies go down easier?

Last-ReBel
05-04-2002, 06:20 AM
The "g_saberrealisticcombat 1" setting is for single player only.
The "g_dismemberment X" setting is for multiplayer only.
Dismemberment seems to be a percentage of likelyhood to dismember - but, everytime a dismemberment happens in MP the server crashes. I have read that this will be fixed in the patch but I have no firm evidence.

As to a post several back - I still think that realistic saber combat should be allowed to be enabled under multiplayer, it could be handled this way- increase the likelyhood of saber blocks (when properly facing a opponent), allow heavy swings to have a greater likelyhood to penetrate a block, make light swings less likely to dismember/kill, but not rediculous like it is now (you can make someone eat the light swing now and its a joke). I think the balance can be maintained and the deadlyness of the saber improved also...

I don't remember seeing a personal "shield" on any Jedi in any of the movies... :)