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Jean-Luc_Picard
06-07-2001, 11:39 AM
which do you think interests you more, star wars or star trek? Roddenbary or Lucas? Kirk
or skywalker? Spock or solo?

(answer all) star trek has a series of tv shows and movies, star wars has only the 4(soon to be 6)movies and several books.

my vote is for trek(obviously), but star wars is definitly next in line for good sci-fi movies.

Boba Rhett
06-07-2001, 03:14 PM
Yes, Star Trek has more movies and it also is a tv show but do you really think that those movies and tv shows are even near half the quality and greatness that any of the Star Wars movies are? And Star Wars has alot more than just a few books.

Lucas or Roddenbary?

Both are crackpots who hit the jackpots.
However, Lucas at least went on to make other good movies.

Kirk or Luke?

Luke has force powers, a hot sister, and a lightsaber.

Kirk has herpes. You decide.

Spock or Solo?

Spock has pointy ears, no emotions and prefers to touch instead of just blasting enemies.

Solo shoots enemies, has emotions, "big plus",
has the Millenium Falcon, is incredably lucky, great aim, has a hot whife, luke skywalker is his best friend, and he has chewy for extra protection.

In conclusion, How could you possibly think That the Star Trek movies are even CLOSE to being as good as Star Wars? You think Quantity beats out quality? That's so funny it's laughable.

[ June 07, 2001: Message edited by: Boba Rhett ]

Uutont Fær Uulion
06-07-2001, 05:45 PM
*starts clapping*
fantastic speech
I love star wars and I don't care for star trek, but you can't beat galaxy quest

need I say more

Garindan
06-07-2001, 05:58 PM
i like them both. the borg is what actually got me interested in star trek. star wars i liked better because it wasn't all in space, or an enclosed environment.

Jean-Luc_Picard
06-07-2001, 09:16 PM
boba rhett, i do agree with you about some points(skywalker than kirk,solo than spock), but you have to remember that Gene Roddenbarry made more sci-fi movies and wrote more science fiction novels than i can count on my hands and feet. And, garindan, you probably already know that picard was once assimilated into the borg collective, so you know they can rip the heads of the rancor. i admit that the old star trek isnt that good, but the next generation takes the cake on sci-fi movies.

Rogue9
06-08-2001, 01:57 AM
Originally posted by Jean-Luc_Picard:
<STRONG>which do you think interests you more, star wars or star trek? Roddenbary or Lucas? Kirk
or skywalker? Spock or solo?

(answer all) star trek has a series of tv shows and movies, star wars has only the 4(soon to be 6)movies and several books.

my vote is for trek(obviously), but star wars is definitly next in line for good sci-fi movies.</STRONG>

only several, where have you been, I own over 30 SW books on my own. and have read many I didn't buy. :D I would have to rate them as equal. while I watch SW fairly often I watch Star Trek Daily. :)

Rogue9
06-08-2001, 01:58 AM
nd I must Admit I prefer Andromeda over them all, a Sentient Female Computer is just about everything I could ever wish for. :)

JediMasterHorn
06-08-2001, 07:01 AM
Um...Roddenberry wrote novels?
Anyways, Trek doesnt compare to Star Wars.
Yes I like Star Trek, but it doesnt even come close to the grandure that is Star Wars! Lets look, shall we?

Trek: soon to be ten movies-four of which don't suck.
Wars: soon to be five movies- one of which sucks, but is still better than half the Trek movies that dont suck, and is just as good, if not better than the other two remaining.

Trek- Has soon to be five T.V shows. However, they repeat the same episode, just with a different crew, several times, and they always win by reconfiguring something. Just once I wanna hear Data say "You know what? We're screwed!" And if you took all the shows and put them together, only half of them wouldn't suck.
Wars: doesn't have a tv show (unless you wanna count that old cartoon) but it is rumored that there may be one after Ep. III is released, which will, in no way, suck.

Trek: Has gobs of novels, but none on the scale of any of the Wars novels. 1 star wars novel = 3 Trek novels story wise. Again, they rehash a lot of the same stuff over again, but just put a different twist on it.
Wars: even the worst of them still can kick butt over a lot of the Trek ones, just because Wars is a better story a lot of the time.

Trek: Every game, with the exception of Elite Force, has sucked...big time.
Wars: Even the worst Wars game has still kicked butt over 99% of the Trek ones.

Trek: When in need of a plot (especially T.V show final episodes), use time travel and screw up the continuity even more to the point it makes everyone sick.
Wars: No time travel, because the plot kicks so much butt it doesnt need to travel back in time for the hundreth time just to have a somewhat interesting story where an older version of a character meets the younger...again.

Trek:GemHadar
Wars: Vong
Ok, so far they tie here, but Wars still has the chance to save itself from dragging a good story out to the point of becoming crap. (Last season of DS9)

Trek: Enterprise(all of them), The Defiant
Wars: The Executor, The Falcon...etc.
They all kick butt.

Trek: Shatner
Wars: Ahmed Best, Jake Lloyd
ok, so they tie here too.

Well, I could go on and on, but I think it is clear that Wars beats out Trek. Thank you, and goodnight. :D

Boba Rhett
06-08-2001, 05:06 PM
*claps*


BTW, anyone know when that next trek series is coming out?

Uutont Fær Uulion
06-08-2001, 08:37 PM
we can't forget to mention 'Q'
He's the one that adds the 'kicks and giggles' to star trek.

[ June 08, 2001: Message edited by: Uutont Fær Uulion ]

Rogue9
06-08-2001, 10:44 PM
Star Trek: Enterprise is Gonna Rule :D

JediMasterHorn
06-09-2001, 05:18 PM
Last I heard, it was due out in the fall.

BeastMaster
06-09-2001, 06:26 PM
I like them both, depending on what kind of mood I'm in. Comparing them is like comparing Shakespeare and Mozart; it's two completely different worlds.

I'm not really looking forward to Enterprise though. From what I've heard, the show has two options: either sacrifice all production values (the show's to be set Before Kirk), or retcon the entire Original Series. :(

I am totally psyched about the new "Season 8" DS9 novels!

The last season of DS9 was (IMHO) some of the best Trek ever on the air, and the finale set up things for an entirely new adventure. Pocket Books is currently releasing novels set after What You Leave Behind, with an awesome new story arc and a gallery of new characters.

I especially love Odo's "tame" Jem'Hadar. :D

Darth Prime
06-10-2001, 03:18 AM
I prefer Star Wars. My brother kept asking if it was a long time ago in a galaxy far, far away, then how did humans get there. I don't argue with him, I don't have a reason to. But one reason I like Star Wars is that it's set in another galaxy. Another thig that the Mon Calamri Cruisers almost look as if they were organic ships. Don't tell me that they're not, I already know.

obi
06-10-2001, 11:23 AM
Im looking foward to ENTERPRISE.

1. because im a quantum leap fan, and scott bakula(Sam Beckett) is going to be the captain.

2. All other ships in satr trek(Voyager) dont add up to the ENTERPRISE.

BeastMaster
06-10-2001, 04:09 PM
Except that the Enterprise isn't going to be on the show (don't ask me why the show's gonna be called Enterprise). :rolleyes:

It's to be set years before the first starship, and even before Starfleet itself.

That's what worries me. Either they'll need to make things look more primitive than the Kirk-era series, or they'll have to retcon the original series.

Do we really want any more flat-headed Klingons and neo-Chinese Romulans?

Tie Guy
06-11-2001, 01:50 AM
Com'on people. Comparing Star Wars and Star Trek is like comparing apples and oranges.


BTW, i hate oranges.

Rogue9
06-11-2001, 02:09 AM
Originally posted by BeastMaster:
<STRONG>Except that the Enterprise isn't going to be on the show (don't ask me why the show's gonna be called Enterprise). :rolleyes:

It's to be set years before the first starship, and even before Starfleet itself.

That's what worries me. Either they'll need to make things look more primitive than the Kirk-era series, or they'll have to retcon the original series.

Do we really want any more flat-headed Klingons and neo-Chinese Romulans?</STRONG>

Actually it is Set on a Star Fleet ship, this info is gleened from a quote of rick berman which I have misplaced.

WD ToRMeNt
06-11-2001, 03:47 PM
SWs... made up. ST... made up. You guys might as well be arguing over the outcome of a fist fight between Santa Claus and the Easter Bunny.

The two are very differant and hard to compare. ST *tries* be be somewhat believable. SW doesn't care and is just fantasy. If you want to compare them though...

ST pretty much has the same plot over and over again. It seems like they travel back in time in half the movies. I'm also sick of them winning by reconiguring something or pressing a lot of buttons. ST is boring. SW is so much deeper and exciting.

ST aliens suck, it's always just some guy with some latex comstume piece on his head. SWs has Jabba, Yodo (whatever he is), Jaws, Ewoks, and all kinds of things that arn't approximately human sizes.

Really though, the differance between the two is in personal taste, not it which one is better.

obi
06-11-2001, 04:03 PM
50$ on Santa!!!!!!!! :D

oninosensi
06-11-2001, 06:25 PM
My money on the easter bunny!

Rogue9
06-11-2001, 07:33 PM
I Pick Zoom Rabbit, a.k.a. the Easter Bunny :D

JediMasterHorn
06-11-2001, 07:52 PM
I dont know what to think of Enterprise.
#1. YOu know its going to look updated, but then again, since when did Star Trek care about continuity?
#2. From the sound of it, it sounds like a combo of the original series and Voyager. Heck, the captain sounds like a rip of Kirk, and the first officer is a female version of Spock.
And yes, it will be set on the Enterprise. I guess it will just be a different Enterprise. Maybe this is the ship 1701 gets named after. Either way, I don't know how good it will be.

BeastMaster
06-11-2001, 11:06 PM
The thing about Star Trek is that it's meant as an allegory.

The aliens aren't intended to be truly alien; they're intended to be warped reflections of aspects of human nature. Even the humans are meant as examples of the "ultimate" that humanity has to offer.

The Original Series was designed to be one-use only. The problem with TNG/DS9/Voyager is that they're taking the original premise and trying to stretch it into a new shape. Sometimes they succeed (DS9's last season), and sometimes they fail (Voyager).

Thing is, Star Trek has great ideas, great story premises. It's the execution of these ideas that sucks.

Take my fave theme:

Imagine your worst enemy.
(Russians/Vietnamese, Klingons, Cardassians, Borg, Jem'Hadar)
Meet your new best friend.
(Chekov/Sulu, Worf, Garak, Seven of Nine, *SPOILER*)

I love that lesson, and it's a recurring theme in my own writing. The trouble in Trek comes from the way its done, not the idea itself.

My big complaint is that Gene Roddenberry's egalitarian utopia is based (intentionally or not) on the USian system of a melting pot. The UFP teaches that we can all learn to get along if we play be the same rules.

Thus we have a Vulcan (Spock) who learns to trust his emotions. A Klingon (Worf) acting like a human. A Borg (Seven) who learns to embrace her humanity.

What I'd like to see is an alien that acts like an alien. This is what I liked about DS9: The Bajorans were Bajorans, the Cardassians were Cardassians, the Klingons acted like Klingons, and the two Ferengi deviants (Rom and Nog) were shown to be deviants.

Star Trek writers are the ones who blindly accept the saying that "it's impossible for humans to write real aliens; they're all just twisted versions of humans."

This is the idea that I've been challenging since I first started writing.

Uutont Fær Uulion
06-12-2001, 04:26 PM
Originally posted by Tie Guy:
<STRONG>BTW, i hate oranges.</STRONG>
I prefer oranges over apples.
oranges have a certain quality about them
you can toss one up into the air and when you try to catch it and miss, it hits the ground and doesn't break. apples are only good for one thing(throwing at the neighbors). You can play baseball with an orange and it will survive through at least one inning. the apple gets destroyed immediately. besides you can get pulpwash out of oranges(the truth about concentrate orange juice and baby food (http://www.jediknight.net/cgi-bin/mboard/ultimatebb.cgi?ubb=get_topic&f=1&t=000155&p=1)) :p

P.S. My lunch moneys on The Easter Bunny
:)

[ June 12, 2001: Message edited by: Uutont Fær Uulion ]

MadPoster
06-13-2001, 06:02 PM
I agree: NO MORE APPLES!!! Load them in to the proton torpedo tubes!

And put my money on Guy Fawkes! :D

BeastMaster
06-13-2001, 10:37 PM
Ah, yes.

Guy Fawkes. An Englishman who is only famous for being a failure.

He's an inspiration to us all. ;)

<small>My money's on the rabbit in the A-wing.</small>

d_eisenga
07-01-2001, 09:32 PM
I'm not saying SW is BETTER, but it sure is more specacular. In the way of shiny droids and extravagant aliens. In TREK everyone looks like a normal human, with the exception of pointy ears or a dumb robotic stare.

There. :cool:

MadPoster
07-01-2001, 09:59 PM
Fawkes might be a failure, but atleast he has his own holiday!

Kurgan
07-04-2001, 09:57 PM
As far as Star Trek goes, I really didn't like much of it except the original series.

The movies based on the original series were somewhat tolerable (the first one was pretty bad, as most agree).

I watched some of "The Next Generation" but found it to be not that interesting and lacking the "spirit" of the first one, IMHO, although it got a lot better after the first season (and they branched out into new territory). The movies based on the Next Generation were more like generic sci fi to me than "real Trek."

Of course I got nothing out of the other series (Voyager, Deep Space Nine), and I will probably avoid any movies based off of those.

I guess even though SW has four movies and that's it (if you don't count the Holiday Special and Ewok Adventures of course, lol), it still packs more action/adventure for me than the ST stuff (although I enjoy ST, I admit that).

Now if you want a series that I think beats ST, check out [b]Dr. Who[/i]. Now THERE is a long running series (with several movies, although they haven't made a good one in a long time, and yes, I missed the '95 one, so I'm not counting it), not to mention they are FINALLY bringing some of them to DVD (yes!). True, the production values were pretty laughable (even compared to the original ST), but considering the longevity and depth of the characters, and the cool storylines, I think it makes for some great entertainment (plus there's a huge book series to go with it).

http://www.thedigitalbits.com/articles/upcomingdvdart/0911/drwhofivedoctorsdvd.jpg

http://www.thedigitalbits.com/articles/upcomingdvdart/0911/drwhorobotsdvd.jpg

http://www.thedigitalbits.com/articles/upcomingdvdart/0911/drwhospearheaddvd.jpg

Kurgan

[ July 04, 2001: Message edited by: Kurgan ]

BeastMaster
07-05-2001, 12:00 PM
Another cool old SF series was Battlestar Galactica, as long as you ignore the second season (Galactica 1980), in which the writers turned the story into "aliens among us" (on Earth of all places).

The first season (with the byplay between Apollo & Starbuck, constant Cylon raids, and desperate rear-guard actions) was much cooler, almost as good as Star Wars at times.

I also liked the 80s TV series of Beauty & the Beast, again only until the last season (when they killed off *SPOILER* :( ).

oninosensi
07-05-2001, 12:07 PM
Two of my favorites have been Babylon 5 and Space: Above and Beyond. Good over all story lines (ingnoring some some discontinuities; figher pilots being used as ground tropps????) Not to mention cool CG and sfx!

Darth_Lando
07-05-2001, 05:30 PM
I like how in Star Trek whenever they make a reference to the 20th or 21st century they always talk bad about it. But they almost worship earlier centuries (Shakespear, ect..)

BeastMaster
07-05-2001, 11:40 PM
Originally posted by oninosensi:
<STRONG>figher pilots being used as ground tropps????</STRONG>

Actually, I think that was because the "Wildcards" weren't actually navy pilots, they were marines, expected to be able to function in numerous environments.

If needed, any of the gang could probably have manned a command console on the Saratoga's bridge.

It isn't really (AFAIK) something that's done in reality, but it does make sense; why carry 1000 pilots, 1000 infantrymen, 1000 crewmen, etc, when you can just carry 1000 "jack-of-all-trades" soldiers who can be deployed as needed.

That's why they're called "Wild Cards." :cool:

Darth Prime
07-06-2001, 12:46 AM
I didn't know how else to tell some of you guys this, but the Enterprise stinks. I mean, why in the world would they give six ships the same name. Ok, I will admit the the Enterprise-E is the best out of all of them, but still I just don't like the Enterprise--any of them. And how did Star Trek ever become a topic on a Star Wars discussion board?

JediMasterHorn
07-06-2001, 03:19 AM
I'll refer you to the topic title "Star Trek Vs. STAR WARS". Notice the Star Wars in the title. ;)

darth terrat
07-06-2001, 08:35 AM
Star Trek has far too many generations.

obi
07-06-2001, 12:32 PM
Originally posted by Darth_Lando:
<STRONG>I like how in Star Trek whenever they make a reference to the 20th or 21st century they always talk bad about it. But they almost worship earlier centuries (Shakespear, ect..)</STRONG>

DR.Bones Mcoy, Star Trek IV: "Dialisis? What is this, the black plague?"

:D

Rogue9
07-06-2001, 11:15 PM
I must Comment Space: Above and Beyond Ruled as was by far the Best SciFi Show that was reality based. I felt like hunting down the network bigwigs after they cancel it. the Hammerheads were tight.

Darth Prime
07-07-2001, 01:12 AM
OkAY, That's it!!!!!!! I want to know why are you guys have a topic about Star Trek and why in the world is it on a Star Wars board?!?!?!!? I have NEVER had anything against Star Trek until now. The only good movie they've had was First Contact....ooooorrrr I think, I don't know if they're making a tenth movie or not. And during DS9, during the war against the Dominion, Cardassians, and Breen, the only good part was when the Federation fleet was trying to get past that Dominoin fleet and the Klingons arrived to help, then on Voyager, it was when they meet the Borg and Species 8472. For a time I also had a crush on Deanna Troi, but I think she got worse. Other than that I don't like Star Trek

obi
07-07-2001, 12:33 PM
Well, i started it with a simple comparrison of star trek vs. STAR WARS(see, it is about star wars,too).

but people ran of with their own disscussins, but i don't mind a bit. ;)

darth terrat
07-07-2001, 05:16 PM
Like I said !

MadPoster
07-07-2001, 07:06 PM
We are showing the inherent weakness of ST!

Like; why is it Picard can kick Kirk's butt, but looses to Sisko every time?

BeastMaster
07-09-2001, 03:58 PM
Um, when?

shackie-trekkie
07-09-2001, 04:26 PM
Hard decision there- Luke or Jean-Luc... engage warp 1 or jumping stars. assimilate you we will. futile is resistance. irrelevent that is. Seven of Nine way hotter than Skywalker's sister :eek: :mad:
Oh and the millie falcon has nothing on Voyager I mean come on their shields in the final episode was alot better than deflector shields

[ July 09, 2001: Message edited by: shackie-trekkie ]

obi
07-09-2001, 08:01 PM
ahhhhhhhhh.............

someone who understands my need for that bit of trek next to my need for star wars.

(BTW, if anybody didn't know this already, i AM Jean-Luc_Picard)

[ July 09, 2001: Message edited by: obi-wan13 ]

Kirvan_Vax
07-09-2001, 11:01 PM
NOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO you can't be 2 people at once on a board!!!!!!!!!!! (does anyone remember Rho? The guy who got banned for porn?)

[ July 09, 2001: Message edited by: Kirvan_Vax ]

Gabrobot
07-10-2001, 01:40 AM
STAR WARS RULES!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
Anyone want a dose of dark troopers? :D

ESE_Sithlord
07-10-2001, 02:24 AM
Jezzz its just a topic both are just Books/Movies/toys/comics it doesnt matter because thats all they are.

Grow up but if anything I would choose SW

obi
07-10-2001, 12:35 PM
you CAN be more than 1 person here.

but my computer crashed, that took a long time to fix(1 MONTH!!) then after i got it fixed, my internet service closed, so i ordered netzero, that took 3 weeks to get here, then it got here and it didn't work, so i called them and ordered another.

that took another 3 weeks to get here, then that one called 911 everytime for some reason.

then i ordered at&t and that took another month to get here, so i figured that my membership here was deleted, and that i would have to find another name(Jean-Luc_Picard). i posted the obi-wan13 is ressurected topic, to see if anyone rememberd me, then i tried my old name,obi13, to see if it worked, and it still did.

thats who i am today, and i rarely use jean-luc.

Hannibal
07-10-2001, 12:35 PM
Originally posted by Kirvan_Vax:
<STRONG>(does anyone remember Rho? The guy who got banned for porn?)

[ July 09, 2001: Message edited by: Kirvan_Vax ]</STRONG>

Hehehe. I remember that! That was cruel what he did. He posted pics for people's signature on his website then changed the pics to nasty pictures(oops :)) but kept the same address.

[ July 10, 2001: Message edited by: Hannibal ]

obi
07-10-2001, 12:38 PM
yea, rho thought he could get away with it.

HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA!

BTW,hannabal, your signature is funny :D

Uutont Fær Uulion
07-10-2001, 04:35 PM
Originally posted by obi-wan13:
<STRONG>you CAN be more than 1 person here.</STRONG>

I am four people
Uutont Fær Uulion
my normal character
Darth Cindy
for when I want you just can't say something and have it come out right if your not a girl ex: girl1: does this dress make me look fat. Darth Cindy: oh stuff a sock in it.
Yoda the Hutt
Likes big guns and is kind of an outcast.
bob the relentless
same as Yoda the Hutt, but is still trying to get kicked out.


:p :) :rolleyes: :mad: :eek: ;) :cool:

Boba Rhett
07-10-2001, 04:41 PM
But why? WHY?!

Hannibal
07-10-2001, 07:10 PM
Yeah, Why?!

obi
07-11-2001, 11:26 AM
i've already explained my situation.

Uutont Fær Uulion
07-11-2001, 09:00 PM
I originally only had one
Uutont Fær Uulion
then I got my friends on here
Bowdie and Cindy
bob the relentless
and
Darth Cindy
then bowdie forgot his password and didn't know what to do so he started
Yoda the Hutt
then after a week they all left and told me their passwords.
so everyonce in a while I will post under one of those names
:)
any more questions?

Darth Cindy
07-11-2001, 09:05 PM
But still why
I don't understand

bob the relentless
07-11-2001, 09:09 PM
oh stuff a sock in it :rolleyes:

oninosensi
07-12-2001, 12:27 PM
Why would you want to be more than one person? Trying to express what all the voices in your head are saying?

BeastMaster
07-12-2001, 02:18 PM
For the same reason that (some) people write SF; sometimes it's impossible to comment on something from a certain perspective.

Swinging us back on-thread, that's the purpose of the aliens in Star Trek. They're not intended to be realistic civilizations, they're meant to be twisted reflections of some part of human nature.

Star Trek is an allegory, Star Wars is an adventure story with philosophical subtexts.

Apples and oranges.

BTW, I have two different personas here, and three over on XWA.net (the same two, plus one more. I generally only use the alternates for comedic emphasis (i.e., when a joke would be funnier from them then from me).

Borg Collective
07-12-2001, 02:28 PM
Originally posted by Kirvan_Vax:
<STRONG>NOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO you can't be 2 people at once on a board!!!!!!!!!!!</STRONG>

Why not?

We are several billion individuals at once.

Jean-Luc_Picard
07-13-2001, 01:24 AM
uh -oh, RED ALERT!!!!!!!!!

all hands to battle stations!!!!!!!

DATA: We have several borg cubes closing in,sir.

Picard: On screen.(Beeing once assimilated in the collective, Picard hears the chant of the borg. "come to us Locutes" they say.
Lock Phasers!

Engage! fire!

.............sorry, had a little flashback there.
:D :D :D

Darth Prime
07-15-2001, 02:04 AM
How's about I flashack you? in case anyone hasn't noticed, I'm both mad and kinda upset right now. Someone who graduated with my brother a little over a month ago died last week in an accident.

Boba Rhett
07-15-2001, 04:50 AM
You have to realize that maybe your not the only one that's having problems. Perhaps the reason people here goof off is because it helps them relax and eases their tensions. "An escape from the reality", if you will.

Everyone deals with problems in different ways and we all have to learn to respect that. So from now on, i'll try not to goof off in your threads and hopefully you wont mind it when some of use goof off in other threads. :)

obi
07-15-2001, 11:42 AM
nicely said rhett.

and this is a topic I started, and i said i don't care if people goof off. im one of those people who just relax in life.

and i agree with everything rhett said, cause in real life, its harsh, people get sick, people die, people starve,abortion,love-loss,pain,suffering.

here, its all good.

i have done anything to hurt your feelins, so that little "how bout i flashback you?" remark was not neccesary.

Darth Prime
07-16-2001, 02:29 AM
sorry for the way I've been. but, I get real edgy most of the time. and about these goofy whatever-they're-called, I get some of them, but I just think they're weird, and, with all honesty, kinda stupid. All I ask is that you guys and gals don't say anything goofy when I start the topic, one for which I want a serious answer, if I ask question. And in return, I'll stop saying things that are unnecessary.

BeastMaster
07-16-2001, 01:43 PM
Duly noted, Prime = serious.

And condolences for your loss.

Darth Prime
07-18-2001, 01:08 AM
BeastMaster, what loss? I seriously have no clue on what you are talking about. And, no, I'm not joking in case anybody thinks I am. I don't understand it myself, but I forget things and have no clue on what anybody is talking about....and how in the world did I get off the topic?

MadPoster
07-18-2001, 01:53 PM
There is a topic here?

Pootie
07-18-2001, 03:32 PM
You immature little kids!!

Especially you, Rhett Peterson! ;)

Borg Collective
07-18-2001, 04:23 PM
Did we cause problems again?

Kurgan
07-18-2001, 08:08 PM
Darth Prime:

I'm both mad and kinda upset right now. Someone who graduated with my brother a little over a month ago died last week in an accident.


My condolensces on your loss.

shackie-trekkie
07-18-2001, 08:46 PM
Hey wait a minute- Darth Prime. I thought it was the Prime Directive. Freaken Star Wars episode. What about Star Trek. I mean the Federation no one can top that. Shoot the Death star come one even one of the older class federation ships can take it out with one photon torpedo!! :mad: :confused:

obi
07-18-2001, 09:02 PM
you needn't waist a photon torpedo, just give it a few licks with a phaser from Enterprise E

Uutont Fær Uulion
07-18-2001, 09:12 PM
since we seem to be almost back on topic again

anybody want a cookie :)

Hannibal
07-18-2001, 09:18 PM
Sure I'll have one. :)

BTW I smell terrific!!!

Darth Prime
07-19-2001, 01:18 AM
shakie-trekkie, do you honestly think an older starship has a chance against a battle station that's 120 kilometers in diameter. my brother went to a website where the Star Trek and Star Wars universes cross paths, and even a Galaxy-class starship (obivously being the Enterprise-D) couldn't destroy the TIE fighters. So, all the Death Star would have to do is launch it's TIE squadrons, and they'll more than likely be able to take it out.

Darth Prime
07-19-2001, 01:32 AM
shackie-trekkie, TIE's can take out a starship from Star Trek. Of course, there'll have to be a large number of them. The reason I say that is because with the TIE's as small and manuverable, with the exception of the TIE Bomber, and, as you all know, they make up for their having no shields and sheer numbers. My brother read something on a website, I can't remember what it is, anyway, these TIE's were attacking the Enterprise-D, and even that had trouble locking on to them. If TIE's can cause damage to a starship, then surely the Death Star can destroy one....maybe more, I wouldn't know.

obi
07-19-2001, 10:12 AM
tie fighters small and monuverable,eh?

all the enterprise has to do is send in the valkerys.

BeastMaster
07-19-2001, 03:54 PM
I see someone else familiar with Star Trek: Invasion. :cool:

Which Valkyries were you talking about, the type Is, IIs, or IIIs?

Personally, I like the Type I ship. Valkyrie mark II looks like it was built by klingons, and the mark III just looks bizarre.

Here's one for ya: The Defiant (commanded by Commander Vaughn) against the Executor (with Lord Vader on the bridge).

obi
07-20-2001, 01:24 AM
yea, i like the I's myself, theyr are the only ones who look federation in origin, the III's look like romulan vessels.

the game is awesome, the last level took me forever to do.

THAT DANG CAPTAIN BRENNAN!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

MadPoster
07-20-2001, 09:20 PM
TIE fighters take out a ST ship? Not even close. TIEs use lasers. ST sheilding has advanced to the point lasers won't do jack to them. And the ST phaser targeting system would nail a TIE cold. A phaser packs enough power to vaporize a TIE and most of its' wingmates, and still rock the ship they launched from. The standard ST torpedo can flatten a city, where SW torps take hordes to do the same.

FTL speed is the only advantage (other than sheer size of spacecraft) that SW has over ST.

So no, SW can't beat ST in a fight. But it is a moot point anyway, considering the two universes willl never officailly meet.

BeastMaster
07-20-2001, 10:24 PM
Agreed. I don't really like crossover fanfic. I prefer "re-interpretation" fanfic.

Not crossing over Star Wars and Star Trek, but putting the Star Trek ships & characters into the Star Wars universe (or vice-versa) and finding a way to do it without violating the "laws" of that universe.

One of these days I'm going to get around to doing my Buffy/Star Wars and Buffy/Star Trek fanfics.

This is Captain Buffy Summers of the Federation Starship Slayer to Admiral Rupert Giles, Priority One.

:cool:

[ July 20, 2001: Message edited by: BeastMaster ]

Darth Prime
07-21-2001, 12:22 AM
Madposter, what I was getting at is, TIE's are too small for the phasers to lock on to. And about the photon torpedoes, they can take out TIE's, but they only have a limited number. Another thing is that if their a huge number of TIE's and one group hit the ship with lasers over and over, that could cause damage.

MadPoster
07-21-2001, 05:14 PM
WRONG AGAIN. TIEs are an all too easy target for ST ships. The phasers can lock on to a human sized target if they need to. They wouldn't bother to use torpedoes on them, that would be a waste. And TIE laser cannons do NOTHING to the ST sheilds.

pandemonium
07-21-2001, 07:11 PM
MadPoster... your not actually being serious are you? ;) :p :eek:

Oh well, first time for everything I guess

[ July 21, 2001: Message edited by: Darth_Rommel ]

obi
07-21-2001, 08:11 PM
lol.........

for once i actually AGREE with madposter.
TIEs couldnt do anything to a Trek ship, or any rebel craft, for that matter.

if luke thinks he can whip the Enterprise in an x-wing using the force, he's dead wrong.

In a battle, Trek would make Wars look like a horde of jedi masters facing 2 or 3 banthas.

pandemonium
07-21-2001, 08:32 PM
*Gasps* obiwan13 *shakes head in dismay* I never thought you were a TRAITOR- how could you say that? :eek: :eek: :( :(

Boba Rhett
07-21-2001, 11:13 PM
I say it's about time we break out the crosses. hehehee...

MadPoster
07-21-2001, 11:52 PM
I just think that the ST vs SW debate is stupid. It is like comparing apples to thick, juicy, meaty, tasty hamburgers, smothered in mustard, with bacon, and cheese, and tomatoes, and... Damn. I'm hungery. Who's gonna go get some burgers? I'll buy.

Darth Prime
07-22-2001, 01:57 AM
MadPoster, I agree with you on that. This is getting stupid. It's starting to remind me of that dispute I got into with someone over abortion. It got to the point that if we both kept up we would've been temporaily banned.

JediMasterHorn
07-22-2001, 07:28 AM
My 2 cents:
TIEs could swarm a starship, because the lasers would have to lock on to each individual ship.

How do you know blasters fire "lasers"? Where has that been said? They use tibanna gas to produce the blaster shot, and for all we know a blaster could be composed of something similer to phaser fire. So that point is moot, unless you can prove otherwise, which you can't. As a matter of fact, we cant prove any of this, but dah-well.... :)

Besides, all you would have to do is get a group of Jedi and or sith together and have them use the Force to slag the shield genorators. Or they could take control of the minds of the command crew to lower the shields...or self destruct the ship and lock out all the controls...or transport JarJar aboards so he can annoy them to death or get them to commit suicide.... :D

obi
07-22-2001, 11:42 AM
Originally posted by Darth_Rommel:
<STRONG>*Gasps* obiwan13 *shakes head in dismay* I never thought you were a TRAITOR- how could you say that? :eek: :eek: :( :(</STRONG>

i'm not a traitor, I have more star wars stuff than a jawa has droids.

It's just i was surfin the net and saw where Trek and Wars met in a war, and trek came out on top, and left SW like the klingon Empire.

I thought that was quite disturbing, so i looked at several other fanfics, from ST AND SW fans, who both determined ST would be on top, so i decided to 'except the ineadable' and decide trek would win in a war.

but as i said, i have a lot SW merchindise, and the only thing i have of trek is a 2 video games. BTW, the only trek i like is TNG, and enterprise is gonna rule!

darth terrat
07-22-2001, 12:04 PM
:D What about man to man?saber V.S.
Phaser eh!! :D

oninosensi
07-22-2001, 12:47 PM
i disagree with this:
Besides, all you would have to do is get a group of Jedi and or sith together and have them use the Force to slag the shield genorators. Or they could take control of the minds of the command crew to lower the shields...or self destruct the ship and lock out all the controls


ST has it share of powerful telepaths and psychics. Whole races of 'em, so force users wouldn't be a huge advantage.

...or transport JarJar aboards so he can annoy them to death or get them to commit suicide....

Now that there is no defense against.

ESE_Sithlord
07-22-2001, 02:40 PM
SW would beat ST any day of the week. For one SW Has better/Stronger characters . Two they all have a background history that wipes the floor with any character from ST.


Luke Skywalker vs. Captian Kirk
Weapon: Lightsaber/Force vs. Vaser up to settings

Han Solo vs. Spock
Weapon: Blaster vs. Vaser

Darth Vader vs. Worf
Weapon: Lightsaber/Force vs. Sword Staff

Ya pick who wins Iam not sure about Spock and Solo though but I know the Jedi and Sith and even the Dark Jedi would kill the ST Characters.

JediMasterHorn
07-22-2001, 04:58 PM
Sure, Trek has telepaths, but not many serve on starships, and even then, do you really think they are more powerfull than Jedi?

Forget Jedi, get a few Dark Jedi/Sith together and they can take out a whole starship just using the force and cutting off blood flow to the brain in the crew. 1 Sec and its all over. :-D
Lets see them fancy schmancy shields stop that. hehe.

pandemonium
07-22-2001, 06:09 PM
I guess your not a traitor... just misguided!
;) :p ;) :p


oh yeah... thanks again for the great sig pic
obiwan13! :D :D :D

[ July 22, 2001: Message edited by: Darth_Rommel ]

obi
07-22-2001, 08:08 PM
traitor? nah. misguided? maybe. great sig? HECK YEA!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

BTW, i used to hunt down sigs for people that wanted me too, back in the day. ;)

darth terrat
07-23-2001, 01:21 PM
(*)So lets finally say
WARS can kick treck's ass
any day!
*With the 100 post :D

MadPoster
07-23-2001, 02:23 PM
Let's not and say this whole thing is below even me.

obi
07-23-2001, 04:18 PM
man, i didnt know the topic would reach 101, i mean,102 posts. :eek:

this is turnin out to be one of those posts that get a lot of attention, like the debate over abortion, and that was a serious, real life matter.

BTW, anyone remember how many posts and pages long it was?

ESE_Sithlord
07-23-2001, 04:53 PM
oh yeah I think everyone already knew that it would I mean come on. Two very powerful Science Fiction Movies.

Star Wars and Star Trek Fans are mortal Enemies to each other. I for one am a Die Hard Star Wars Fan and I know its safe to say that Star Wars wins. :cool:

Borg Collective
07-23-2001, 05:18 PM
Technically, you are also one of us.

More machine now, than man.

Resistance is futile.

ESE_Sithlord
07-23-2001, 05:36 PM
lol I would liek to see that that would be FUnny as hell.

Seeing The All Borg Race against "The Choosen One" "Darth Vader" . But Iam afriad that Darth Vader is even close to a Borg as far as Personailty. Machine yes. But the Borg Suck and Darth Vader is not even close to a Borg.

darth terrat
07-24-2001, 12:22 PM
The bigest is the word association gam
By the riddler!!!
836 Posts!!!!

ESE_Sithlord
07-24-2001, 02:27 PM
lol

oninosensi
07-26-2001, 03:07 PM
Captian Vader, just let the topic die.

If your boring Madposter, it must be dumb!

obi
07-26-2001, 09:26 PM
NO!! WE MUST PERSERVE THIS TOPIC!!!!!!!!!

j/k, i don't really care.

(Who's Captain Vader?)

Darth Prime
07-28-2001, 02:13 AM
Why do I suddenly feel stupid about saying that TIE's can take on a starship? don't know why, if I did..........then, I wouldn't know what I'd do.

darthfelth
08-07-2001, 02:50 AM
Why did it take 1,000 episodes and countless movies for Star Trek to be as popular as Star Wars?! All Star Wars needed was 6 episodes. It's simple math people... I have never been, never will like Star Trek. A series like that just lowers the standards of sci-fi in general.

Star Wars = :)
Star Trek = :(

Borg Collective
08-07-2001, 02:49 PM
Your argument is fallacious.

The original Star Trek was cancelled after one season, but was revived by popular demand. Thousands of fans wrote to Desilu Studios demanding first reruns, then syndication. The continuing series (TNG, DS9, and Voyager) could not have existed without the continuing effort and demand of the fan community.

Star Wars was popular with the first theatrical release of A New Hope. Its popularity grew with the release of Empire and Jedi. After Jedi, Lucas effectively suspended his Star Wars input. There was no public outcry.

Currently, Star Trek and Star Wars appear to be equally popular. However, Star Trek may be entering a period of decline with the creation of the "Enterprise" series.

obi
08-08-2001, 12:51 PM
i agree with borg, without a prequal of star wars, it would have been dead a long time ago.

Lucas didn't want anyone to forget the movie that made him a millionaire,so he released and then re-released and "master edition" version of the movie to remind the people.

my prsonal opinion, epI made star wars what it is today. and Enterprise is gonna rule.

darthfelth
08-08-2001, 09:00 PM
I guess I'll never know why anyone, even the lowest scum in the universe would like Star Trek (no offence anyone). :p

oninosensi
08-09-2001, 02:25 PM
ST has been around a long time, and has a stronger following than SW. Almost 40 years for ST, as opposed to 25 for SW. Also ST is aimed at adults, while SW seems more and more for the kiddies. Rodenberry's legecy has survived his death, while GL's universe may not survive his life (if this keeps up, I'll help kill it!)

But it doesn't matter which you like, or, like me, enjoy both for their own merits (and faults notwithstanding).

Read/watch whatever you want- there is no need to be a moron and flame someone for there choice of entertainment.

obi
08-10-2001, 08:17 PM
*stands and claps after omn.'s speach*

i like both, but it's up to you to decide, i just wish SW would make a tv series, then we'll see who the winner of the tele is.

BeastMaster
08-12-2001, 05:45 PM
Am I the only one who remembers Droids and Ewoks?

Though I do agree that a modern series (whether animated, CG, or live-action) would be unspeakably cool.

Originally posted by oninosensi:
<STRONG>Rodenberry's legecy has survived his death, while GL's universe may not survive his life (if this keeps up, I'll help kill it!)</STRONG>

ROTFLOL!!

Rogue9
08-17-2001, 02:40 AM
Enterprise is gonna Rock...and Andromeda already does :D

cenca
08-19-2001, 01:14 AM
Well hey, I don't know about you. But Voyager got stupid. What's up with that? Star Wars is better...now that new title is well...it sounds like something from an old monster movie...what is up with that?

cenca
08-19-2001, 11:24 AM
If I said ST, my best friend would kill me! With or without a lightsabre. lol I'll say SW.

wizzywig
08-19-2001, 10:21 PM
Never understood this need fans on both sides have to pit one against the other.

--da wiz

jedi3112
06-08-2002, 04:09 PM
Star Wars all the way, I don't think any st starship has shields stronger than the shielded planet of Alderaan wich was blown up by a single superlaser blast from the Deathstar. furthermore those 1 weapon armed st ships don't stand a change against the thousands of turbolaserbatteries of the SW Star Destroyers (or any other capital ships like the fed's driodcontrol ship and those MC Cruisers) furthermore SW has a much bigger army and if we run out of troops we just build some more Superbattledroids or clone some more Clone-Troopers. And off course we can always send in some Jedi in st they don't have any knowledge of the force so they won't know what hit them. They will most likely try to fire on the Jedi with vasers but our Jedi will bounce them back with their lightsabers so in fact st will kill itself. BTW nobody has metioned yet that protorps can penetrate the shields of a ship, that is why they used protorps to blow up the first Deathstar. To destroy those trekkie ships we can also send in Jedi Starfighters. but it will most likely be our :clone: :clone: :clone: :clone: against the st polyester guys (or was that gays) and :clone: :clone: :clone: :clone: are produced at a significant faster rate than those gays

obi
06-08-2002, 09:50 PM
WOA!! THIS WAS LIKE HISTORY!!


I THOUGHT THIS ARGUEMENT WAS OVER A LONG TIME AGO!!!!!



*Blows dust off of topic*

Darth_Rommel
06-08-2002, 11:14 PM
Originally posted by obi-wan13
WOA!! THIS WAS LIKE HISTORY!!


I THOUGHT THIS ARGUEMENT WAS OVER A LONG TIME AGO!!!!!



*Blows dust off of topic*



TRAITOR!

... ;)

j/k... i don't care much anymore... :D

BeastMaster
06-09-2002, 12:41 PM
I never did really, but I'll respond to the troll anyway:

Originally posted by jedi3112
Star Wars all the way, I don't think any st starship has shields stronger than the shielded planet of Alderaan wich was blown up by a single superlaser blast from the Deathstar.

Uh, Alderaan wasn't shielded.

The only planet I know of that has full defelector shield coverage is Coruscant.

furthermore those 1 weapon armed st ships don't stand a change against the thousands of turbolaserbatteries of the SW Star Destroyers (or any other capital ships like the fed's driodcontrol ship and those MC Cruisers)

Most Federation ships carry multiple phaser emitters, photon torpedoes, and quantum torpedoes.

SDs (and even SSDs) don't have "thousands" of batteries; they have at most a few hundred, which are placed to cover a wide area, meaning that they can't all point at the same target.

Also, Trek shields are "harder" than GFFA shield tech (ships can fly through SW shields, but they can only ricochet off shields in ST).

furthermore SW has a much bigger army and if we run out of troops we just build some more Superbattledroids or clone some more Clone-Troopers.

"Bigger" and "better" are two different things. I'd put my legions of genetically engineered Jem'Hadar up against your clonetroopers any day.

And off course we can always send in some Jedi in st they don't have any knowledge of the force so they won't know what hit them.

Why would Jedi attack Starfleet? They both stand for the same ideals of peace and cooperation.

They will most likely try to fire on the Jedi with vasers but our Jedi will bounce them back with their lightsabers so in fact st will kill itself.

Don't know if lightsabers can deflect phaser/disruptor fire; the beams are completely different from blaster bolts.

BTW nobody has metioned yet that protorps can penetrate the shields of a ship, that is why they used protorps to blow up the first Deathstar.

Again, Trek shields aren't SW shields; Trek shields are effectively both "particle" and "ray" shields, where most ships in the GFFA only use ray shields.

To destroy those trekkie ships we can also send in Jedi Starfighters.

Most ST ships have computer-assisted precision targeting, while most of the snubfighters I've seen rely on the "point-and-shoot" strategy (and the ones that do use targeting computers aren't terribly accurate).

but it will most likely be our :clone: :clone: :clone: :clone: against the st polyester guys (or was that gays) and :clone: :clone: :clone: :clone: are produced at a significant faster rate than those gays

Again, quality versus quantity. I'd rather have four years of Academy training under my belt than four years of accellerated neuro-programming.

jedi3112
06-09-2002, 01:43 PM
If you didn't notice on EPII the clones are geneticly manipulated AND they come from Jango Fett Boba's daddy so they do know how to use their weapons for the best effect. Furthermore the Alderaan Shield isn't the same shield as on Coruscant but more like the shield form Hoth in EPV, but the shield doesn't matterfact is that the Deathstar can destroy any planet with a single blow and those vasers can not (saw them drilling with vasers in the tv show once, almost tried to kill myself by activating my lightsaber in the wrong direction, but my VCR remote control was closer and I had SW in the VCR so I just watched SW and I wasn't depressed anymore). I haven't figured out why the SW blasters use gas AND energy (the colored light, otherwise we wouln't see them now would we) but if you increase the energy enough in a real laser (can cut through metal) you would be able to cut through anything eventually, so the only reason I can think of why they also use gas is that with that gas you get the same effect using less energy. But since they do use energy and the Jedi can deflect them it would be logic if Jedi also can deflect the purely energyweapons of st. Furthermore st vasers are only called vasers because they are more powerfull than lasers wich is only archived by increasing the energy the thigh uses, now in SW they probably didn't change the name while they increaded the energy, so you can only tell whether they are more powerfull by looking at the thighs they can destroy so Deathstar CAN destroy a planet while the fedships can not. BTW i've read that the Deathstar is also armed with 15000 turbolasers and the DeathstarII with 20000 so they do have thousands of turbolasers. I don't really know what you mean by particle shields but if it means that nothing you can touch can get through SW does have particle shields, remember the Battle of Endor in EPVI Lando Calrissian couldn't enter the Deathstar in the first run because he knew Han hadn't disabled the shield yet. He aborted the attack because else the would crash onto the shield meaning thet the shield can stop ships since Lando flew the Falcon in there once the shield was down, so there goes your the can fly through shields, you don't see this much because SW shields are directly on the ship while in st they are away from the ship. With your thing about handgun quality you are probably right about the fact that handvasers are more deadly that SW handguns because SW handguns only blast holes in a body an st makes the body dissapair, but I still don't think they can blow up an AT-AT and SW guns get the job (kill) done, wich is what matters. SW also has more types of handguns, while st has pistols and rifles SW has pistols, rifles and repeaters (wich are some sort of machine guns) to represent the most important handguns. I also haven't seen any grenades on st while in SW they use thermal detonators (EPVI where Leia comes to Jabba with Chewie, she holds a thermal detonator, and V where Luke opens the AT-AT with his lightsaber and throws one in) . I also haven't seen any ship using more than 1 gun at the same time. Haven't seen it here but sometimes they compare SW torps to st torps but that's wrong to do because SW torps are starfighter/starbomber weapons, used for precise attacks on valuable ship parts (shieldgenerator and that sort of stuff) while st torps are carried by the big ships and used to destroy the entire ship, just like the big vasers, where SW big ones only use turbolasers and the Deathstar uses its Superlaser, comparing the torps with each other is therfor like comparing a modern machinegun with a modern cruiser, they are used for different things.

obi
06-09-2002, 04:47 PM
I dont know why we are still arguing this, but let me throw some gas on the flame.


Star Trek Ships are made with new, good technology, while in Star wars, It was from a long time ago, which means piece of junk.


But as i said, i enjoy both trek and wars.

Pedro The Hutt
06-09-2002, 05:12 PM
I sure would have hoped that they'd let this topic rest in peace.

obi
06-09-2002, 05:14 PM
Originally posted by Pedro The Hutt
I sure would have hoped that they'd let this topic rest in peace.


*throws flower in open grave*

Redwing
06-09-2002, 08:05 PM
Originally posted by obi-wan13
I dont know why we are still arguing this, but let me throw some gas on the flame.


Star Trek Ships are made with new, good technology, while in Star wars, It was from a long time ago, which means piece of junk.


But as i said, i enjoy both trek and wars.

Huh? That's a very strange argument...

None of you seem to know much about Star Wars technology...even you, Beastmaster. Star Wars ships do indeed have ray and particle shielding. And if you want to see top of the line missiles, watch Episode II. Snubfighters, like all Rebel craft, had really pathetic and ancient targeting computers and torpedoes. Imperial things shown in the films were minimalist. If you want to see top-of-the-line technology, I'll be happy to point out Slave One to you. :D (And I'd assume Jedi could deflect or absorb phasers, since they can suck up lightning.)

That said, neither ST nor SW have incredible focus on realism. There's many, many things in ST which are pure bull and/or technobabble. And SW isn't perfect either. Since when can you hear sound in space? :D

And why on earth would there be a combined effort between the Jedi, the Empire, and the New Republic to destroy the Federation ANYWAY????? :confused: