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V-tecc
04-30-2002, 07:24 AM
I'm wondering about one of the skins in the game; The Shadow Trooper.
Who is this character?
Is he from one of the movies? A Book? A Comic? ... And in that case: Which one?

Or is he a JK2 limited character?

I would like more info about this, so if someone knows anything, please don't hesitate to post.

Also anyone feel free to post questions/comments in this thread about other characters...

V-tecc

H.B.M.C.
04-30-2002, 08:15 AM
Before anyone here answeres this guy's question, I have to ask one to him:

Have you played the Single Player game?

If not, then I suggest you should...

BYE

T-Dogg
04-30-2002, 08:23 AM
Well, I don't consider myself a SW know-it-all, since I've only read one book in addition to seeing the movies, but I'll tell you what I know...

In Dark Forces (The first game with Kyle in it, Jedi Outcast is sorta like Dark Forces 3.) there were these new imperial "super soldiers" called Dark Troopers. The Shadow Troopers in Jedi Outcast are sort of improved versions of the Dark Troopers.

V-tecc
04-30-2002, 08:54 AM
No I have not played the game in SP, I have tested it, but I didn't get satisfaction in playing against the computer.

The MP version of the game however I play constantly.
I'm no novice either... And frankly I don't want to play the game just to find out what Shadow trooper is.

I never played the prequels to the game so I don't know anything about it's characters, that's why I asked If this character, the shadow trooper is limited to just this game.


But thank you guys anyway...


Is there anybody else that know something about these troopers?

PS: You don't have to be a expert to answer.

Btw... does anyone know how to delete the preset Force Power Configs?

V-tecc

H.B.M.C.
04-30-2002, 09:45 AM
Originally posted by V-tecc
No I have not played the game in SP, I have tested it, but I didn't get satisfaction in playing against the computer.

Hmm... I think you're talking about bots. Single Player isn't Multi vs Computer. Single Player = Mission based maps with a plot.

If you don't like "playing against the computer" then you are truly missing out.

Originally posted by V-tecc
The MP version of the game however I play constantly.
I'm no novice either... And frankly I don't want to play the game just to find out what Shadow trooper is.

That much I can tell.

Originally posted by V-tecc
I never played the prequels to the game so I don't know anything about it's characters, that's why I asked If this character, the shadow trooper is limited to just this game.

Yes, the Shadow Trooper is new and exclusive to this game.

In the game, Dessan (the bad guy) infuses a bunch of guys with Dark Side powers. They become the reborn. He then inlists an Imperial weapons designer/researcher to come up with a type of body armour for them to wear. They make the cortosis armour suit that, apart from being able to cloak, is fairly resistant to lightsabres. That's what the Shadow Troopers are.

They're not extensions of Dark Troopers.

Originally posted by V-tecc
Btw... does anyone know how to delete the preset Force Power Configs?

Look at the controls part of the menue.

BYE

V-tecc
04-30-2002, 12:29 PM
Originally posted by H.B.M.C.


Hmm... I think you're talking about bots. Single Player isn't Multi vs Computer. Single Player = Mission based maps with a plot.

If you don't like "playing against the computer" then you are truly missing out.



That much I can tell.



Yes, the Shadow Trooper is new and exclusive to this game.

In the game, Dessan (the bad guy) infuses a bunch of guys with Dark Side powers. They become the reborn. He then inlists an Imperial weapons designer/researcher to come up with a type of body armour for them to wear. They make the cortosis armour suit that, apart from being able to cloak, is fairly resistant to lightsabres. That's what the Shadow Troopers are.

They're not extensions of Dark Troopers.



Look at the controls part of the menue.

BYE


No I wasn't talking about the Bots, I was actually talking about the SP part of the game or the mission based maps as you refer to them as.
For me, I think that you pretty much can't go your own way and have to follow the games obvious road.

For example: Finding a door, it's locked, find a key, open the door. There is a set path you have to follow (I know that's the point) but I'm tiered of these games, even if this is one of the best.

It feels like a movie....


Thank you for the Information about the Shadow troopers, it was highly interesting. To bad that these characters are exclusive to the game though, I saw them as sort of a elite imperial squad similar to the Imperial Royal Guards. Would be interesting to read/see more about them.

The information about the Force-CFG i didn't get, in the in-game menu, you can delete only the force-settings you have saved, not the standard ones... and that's what I would like to do.

Or did I misunderstand you?

Anyway, thank you for your help.


V-tecc

JediMouse
04-30-2002, 12:42 PM
Shadow Trooper new? Not quite.

Being a Force wielder with a lightsaber, yes, that's new. But the concept and general look of the Shadow Trooper has been around since the first edition of the roleplaying game, by West End Games.

In Galaxy Guide 9: Fragments from the Rim, two new specialist Stormtrooper types were introduced: the Radtrooper, with armor, equipment and skills specially suited to radioactive environments, and the Shadowtrooper, who was the stealth trooper of the Stormtrooper legions. They had sensor-dampened black armour reminiscent of the shape of the Scout trooper (though with a bit more plating), and specialized in quiet insertions and sabotage missions.

~JediMouse~

V-tecc
04-30-2002, 12:52 PM
Originally posted by JediMouse
Shadow Trooper new? Not quite.

Being a Force wielder with a lightsaber, yes, that's new. But the concept and general look of the Shadow Trooper has been around since the first edition of the roleplaying game, by West End Games.

In Galaxy Guide 9: Fragments from the Rim, two new specialist Stormtrooper types were introduced: the Radtrooper, with armor, equipment and skills specially suited to radioactive environments, and the Shadowtrooper, who was the stealth trooper of the Stormtrooper legions. They had sensor-dampened black armour reminiscent of the shape of the Scout trooper (though with a bit more plating), and specialized in quiet insertions and sabotage missions.

~JediMouse~

Now we're talking! This is the type of stuff I want to here more of guys, keep it comming! :)

"In Galaxy Guide 9: Fragments from the Rim" <-What is this? A book or a RPG?

V-tecc the Confused

Azrael
04-30-2002, 01:26 PM
Originally posted by V-tecc

For example: Finding a door, it's locked, find a key, open the door. There is a set path you have to follow (I know that's the point) but I'm tiered of these games, even if this is one of the best.

It feels like a movie....




Unfortunatly, a lot of games nowadays are like that. Nox, anyone? Multiplayer rules, but single player gets so freakin' repetitive that you'll be crappin' corn out yer arsehole before ya know it. NARF! My personal favorite is Max Payne.

"The door was locked. I needed a key....so I found one."

If only games could always be like this.

Kurgan
04-30-2002, 07:53 PM
I haven't played Rebellion, but in that game apparently the "Dark Troopers" have some Dark Force powers.

So I guess they must be Phase 3 (or a variation thereof) Troopers (the suits) since Phase 1 and 2 were entirely mechanical IIRC.

Vestril
04-30-2002, 08:06 PM
I'm wondering about one of the skins in the game; The Shadow Trooper.
Who is this character?
Is he from one of the movies? A Book? A Comic? ... And in that case: Which one?

Actually another place it may have developed from was the book I, Jedi, by Michael Stackpole. In it there is a band of Jedi called the Jensaari (I think) who wore Cortosis Armor. Actually almost the ENTIRE storyline was directly lifted from I, Jedi. The main character has rejected his Jedi heratige, his woman dissapears so he goes to Yavin to become a Jedi, the bad guys are Force trained and wear Cortosis Armor, and there is even a part where he fights with Luke Skywalker against a few of them. Granted there are sopme differences like the Valley of the Jedi, and the assault on the Academy, but its sad how alike the plots are...

eziz
04-30-2002, 08:18 PM
Oi, I allways thought the Shadowtroopers are droids. They we're hanging in the assembly place in that Doomgiver map, and plus they sound likes ones too.

hyrit
04-30-2002, 09:03 PM
Heh, anyone else catch what Kyle said upon seeing the cortosis armor in sp? Guess seeing that black trooper armor just brought back bad memories, eh?

Vestril
04-30-2002, 09:31 PM
Unfortunatly, a lot of games nowadays are like that. Nox, anyone? Multiplayer rules, but single player gets so freakin' repetitive that you'll be crappin' corn out yer arsehole before ya know it. NARF! My personal favorite is Max Payne.

"The door was locked. I needed a key....so I found one."

If only games could always be like this.


Try Deus Ex, there is still a degree of that linearity, but not totally, plus the game just plain RULES :D

CBrate
04-30-2002, 09:46 PM
Originally posted by V-tecc


It feels like a movie....

V-tecc

Funny that...

Woad
04-30-2002, 10:34 PM
Originally posted by Vestril


Actually another place it may have developed from was the book I, Jedi, by Michael Stackpole. In it there is a band of Jedi called the Jensaari (I think) who wore Cortosis Armor. Actually almost the ENTIRE storyline was directly lifted from I, Jedi. The main character has rejected his Jedi heratige, his woman dissapears so he goes to Yavin to become a Jedi, the bad guys are Force trained and wear Cortosis Armor, and there is even a part where he fights with Luke Skywalker against a few of them. Granted there are sopme differences like the Valley of the Jedi, and the assault on the Academy, but its sad how alike the plots are...

I'm so glad I'm not the only one who thought this! Don't get me wrong though, while "I, Jedi" is one of my favorite pieces of EU I still love the story in JO.

Vestril
04-30-2002, 10:51 PM
I'm so glad I'm not the only one who thought this! Don't get me wrong though, while "I, Jedi" is one of my favorite pieces of EU I still love the story in JO.

I like both plots:) I just kind of wish they had been a little more original in JK2

Jedi Legend
04-30-2002, 11:01 PM
I highly doubt they looked at I, Jedi and got inspiration from it. Neither plot really seemed all that original, but I like them both.

7-7ighlander
04-30-2002, 11:05 PM
shadow troopers look a lot like tie fighter pilots to me =)

Vestril
04-30-2002, 11:14 PM
I highly doubt they looked at I, Jedi and got inspiration from it. Neither plot really seemed all that original, but I like them both.

The easiest way to show that they did actually borrow the plot is the 'Cortosis' armor. The armor doesn't WORK like Cortosis armor should so why would they throw it in? Why wouldn't they just say heavy armor? Because Cortosis armor is from the book and they, for some twisted reason, chose to mirror it.

Reverse
04-30-2002, 11:36 PM
i actually think shadow troopers were in one of the books, but they flew in some advanced fighter, they were not ground troops, but im not certain

Jedi_Monk
05-01-2002, 02:51 AM
Think about it this way: Cortosis is a part of the SW EU. Cortosis is one of the only materials that a lightsaber blade cannot penetrate. If you had access to Cortosis and had plans of going up against a Jedi wielding a lightsaber, wouldn't YOU wear Cortosis armor? So what if it was done in I, Jedi? Laser blasters are used in every book and movie--are they ripping off the previous books and movies, or are they keeping some symblance continuity to the universe?

Vestril
05-01-2002, 03:05 AM
Think about it this way: Cortosis is a part of the SW EU. Cortosis is one of the only materials that a lightsaber blade cannot penetrate. If you had access to Cortosis and had plans of going up against a Jedi wielding a lightsaber, wouldn't YOU wear Cortosis armor? So what if it was done in I, Jedi? Laser blasters are used in every book and movie--are they ripping off the previous books and movies, or are they keeping some symblance continuity to the universe?

The point wasn't that they used it, the point was that they used it, but it was wrong. Cortosis ore is supposed to short lightsabers out upon impact, not merely resist them. They could have used any of several explanations rather than Cortosis and it would have been utterly acceptable, but they chose that, and modified it.

That is the point, why would they take an EU thing and modify it rather than creating something new? I believe that a possible explanation is their lifting the plot from I, Jedi

ChrisTheS
05-01-2002, 03:49 AM
I think we can allow a bit of leeway for game mechanics. When I get to JO in my 3d-comic, I'm going to have cortosis working the way it should... so they'll just have to be killed the same way they get to the Yuuzhan Vong; joints between the armor.

But it isn't absolutely correct to say that lightsabers can't penetrate cortosis; in Vision of the Future, Luke and Mara break into the Chiss outpost with their lightsabers even though it's shielded by cortosis (a bit like using a chisel to break through a brick wall, but it can be done). They just reactivated their lightsabers just as they shorted and tried again.

-- ChrisTheS

Vestril
05-01-2002, 04:16 AM
I think we can allow a bit of leeway for game mechanics. When I get to JO in my 3d-comic, I'm going to have cortosis working the way it should... so they'll just have to be killed the same way they get to the Yuuzhan Vong; joints between the armor.

But it isn't absolutely correct to say that lightsabers can't penetrate cortosis; in Vision of the Future, Luke and Mara break into the Chiss outpost with their lightsabers even though it's shielded by cortosis (a bit like using a chisel to break through a brick wall, but it can be done). They just reactivated their lightsabers just as they shorted and tried again.

I agree that leeway for game mechanics should be made, I'm just saying that they shouldn't have called it Cortosis, it makes little sense for them to do this...

You bring up another good point that I was actually avoiding: Cortosis isn't Lightsaber resistant. It shorts lightsabers out, thats it. This is another mistake and another reason why I think it should have just plain been left out in favor of 'heavy armor' or something like that. It was an unnecessary plot point.

NerfYoda
05-01-2002, 04:22 AM
Maybe it was just something the editors missed & we should leave it at that. Cuz you know when theres a contuinity discrepency hordes of hardcore fanboys will jump all over it & try to rationalize it into the SW universe. I'm sure it was just a minor goof on the editors part. :)

Vestril
05-01-2002, 04:33 AM
Maybe it was just something the editors missed & we should leave it at that. Cuz you know when theres a contuinity discrepency hordes of hardcore fanboys will jump all over it & try to rationalize it into the SW universe. I'm sure it was just a minor goof on the editors part.

Well all of this wasn't one giant nitpick, it was just support for my belief that they took their storyline largely from I, Jedi's plot. :)

V-tecc
05-01-2002, 08:32 AM
What a nice thread we have going on here.

I just want to say that I'm totally satisfied with the quality of the information you guys are sharing in this thread, this is what I wanted this thread to become.

Keep it up.... I'm hungering for more!

V-tecc The Unfed :)

tofu
05-01-2002, 08:55 AM
Your royal guard looks real sweet

:cool:

Vestril
05-01-2002, 09:08 AM
What a nice thread we have going on here.

I just want to say that I'm totally satisfied with the quality of the information you guys are sharing in this thread, this is what I wanted this thread to become.

Keep it up.... I'm hungering for more!

V-tecc The Unfed

I think we're all glad you're enjoying it...are there other topics you want discussed?... Anything we can talk about to increase your enjoyment? I love talking about this stuff...:D

CM_Third
05-01-2002, 09:19 AM
All the stuff a bout corosis armour resisting or shoritng the lightsaber, throw it out the door. Like other people have said the only Canon comes from the star wars movies themselves, so when they found out about Cortosis Armour they are actually allowed to do what htey want with it in the games. Also Desann says he is great and mighty during hte SP because he says 'I am the one that will finally perfect the usage of the black armour.'*







* disclaimer: The words may differ to what he says, but that is what he still means.

Vestril
05-01-2002, 09:24 AM
All the stuff a bout corosis armour resisting or shoritng the lightsaber, throw it out the door. Like other people have said the only Canon comes from the star wars movies themselves, so when they found out about Cortosis Armour they are actually allowed to do what htey want with it in the games. Also Desann says he is great and mighty during hte SP because he says 'I am the one that will finally perfect the usage of the black armour.'*


Errrrmmmm...since Cortosis armor is something that was never in any movies, how it works really shouldn't matter--it is a function of only the books, so I would think that it is Canon as far as EU is concerned...if Ep 2 has a scene where Obi Wan buys a drink of Cortosis milk or something then I guess the whole Cortosis armor concept is pretty well f***ed, but until that happens its still canon...

CM_Third
05-01-2002, 09:40 AM
yes EU canon... EU canon has no power over anything. EU Canon can differ in two different books, and since everyone doesnt read all the books no one knows. So Jedi Outcast can do what they want with Cortosis armour. The only Canon that must remain the same,(hmmmm) comes from the movies and only the movies.

Vestril
05-01-2002, 10:01 AM
yes EU canon... EU canon has no power over anything. EU Canon can differ in two different books, and since everyone doesnt read all the books no one knows. So Jedi Outcast can do what they want with Cortosis armour. The only Canon that must remain the same,(hmmmm) comes from the movies and only the movies.

Actually EU canon does not differ from book to book, at least with Star Wars. The more recent films have run roughshod over some EU stuff but not much. This is part of the reason why it would be nice to see the game mesh, the other media types fall in line (like Comics)

CM_Third
05-01-2002, 10:11 AM
Hey, im with you i'de like to see it mesh wit hthe books, but you cant exactly say the Dev's have gotten it wrong... which no one has i know, but it was getting that way.

WhiteChedda
05-01-2002, 11:34 AM
Originally posted by V-tecc
I'm wondering about one of the skins in the game; The Shadow Trooper.
Who is this character?
Is he from one of the movies? A Book? A Comic? ... And in that case: Which one?

Or is he a JK2 limited character?

I would like more info about this, so if someone knows anything, please don't hesitate to post.

Also anyone feel free to post questions/comments in this thread about other characters...

V-tecc



The shadow trooper is NOT from the the Episode4-6 moveis, nor episode 1, whether lucas will have a shadow trooper in episode 2 or 3, is up to him. His original story did not have anything like the shadow troopers, play the single player game to see for yourself. than again medichlories were not part of his original script either, so.............

JediMouse
05-01-2002, 11:46 AM
Germane to V-tecc's original question, and my first reply to it:

Galaxy Guide 9: Fragments from the Rim was a small sourcebook for the first edition of the roleplaying game -- you needed to also have the game. The Galaxy Guide series was a line of smaller, softcover sourcebooks which each illuminated one area of the SW universe. 1, 3 and 5 concentrated on characters from the movies, one at a time (and was the first appearance of many names we now think of as being from the CCG, like Davin Felth and Wuher). 2 took a look at the specifics of Yavin and Bespin, 4 was a guide to alien species. 6 was one of may favourites, and expounded on the life of a smuggler, called Tramp Freighters -- starships, shadow ports, trading in legal and not-so-legal goods... a great book.

Anyway, 9 had lots of great stuff, including "cadences:" lightsaber technique practice routines. One of the more advanced involved the Jedi standing, saber sheathed, blindfolded, in the center of a circle of 360 candles. Choosing the candle numbers based on complex equations he was doing in his head at the time, the Jedi had to activate his saber and exactly touch just the wick of each candle in turn to ignite it, but not melt the candle from getting too close -- all within a prescribed time limit. Extremely cool.

~JediMouse~

D'akt Sangwar
05-01-2002, 12:24 PM
Originally posted by JediMouse

, but not melt the candle from getting too close ~JediMouse~

i thought ppl sed they dont give out heat, so how can they melt candles from getting 2 close

Azrael
05-01-2002, 12:55 PM
True, true. Deus Ex is one of my all time favorite games. Nothing beats the thrill of actually thinking you're wrapped up in a conspiracy... Majestic 12. *sigh* Warren Spector is a true genius.

Woad
05-01-2002, 05:45 PM
Originally posted by D'akt Sangwar


i thought ppl sed they dont give out heat, so how can they melt candles from getting 2 close

That's exactly the point. If they gave off heat, the moment you got within a meter the candle would be reduced to a puddle. Since they don't give off heat, touching the blade to the wick would only ignite the wick.

Remember what happened when Qui Gon shoved his saber through the blast door in Episode 1? That's a good way to think of how heat from a saber works...

Vestril
05-01-2002, 05:52 PM
True, true. Deus Ex is one of my all time favorite games. Nothing beats the thrill of actually thinking you're wrapped up in a conspiracy... Majestic 12. *sigh* Warren Spector is a true genius. '

It WAS awesome, my only disapointment was how a lot of the stuff you did had no impact on the endings. Like when they said three endings I thought it would be based on how you performed through the game, not how you played the last level.

That would have been a LOT more complex, but the only reason I was disapointed with it was because the accursed box made me think that it would be that way :( Still one of the best gameplaying experiences of my life!!

V-tecc
05-02-2002, 11:48 AM
Originally posted by tofu
Your royal guard looks real sweet

:cool:

Thanks, I like it too.

What about them, the Imperial Royal Guards? - Any cool stories or interesting information about them?

Officer in the Imperial Royal Guards, V-tecc

V-tecc
05-02-2002, 12:04 PM
Originally posted by Vestril


I think we're all glad you're enjoying it...are there other topics you want discussed?... Anything we can talk about to increase your enjoyment? I love talking about this stuff...:D

Hell yeah! :)

There's so much that I want to know, like for instance: Has Lucas already written the prequals? or is he making them up as they go? I know he must at least have a prototype of the story done, the question is: Is he re-editing them know, to fit the needs of modern Star Wars Fans? Or was there always for example a Darth Maul, looking like he does.

Oh yeah, one other thing: What's EU Canon? (having asked that he immediately felt dumb)

V-tecc

Kyuss
05-02-2002, 12:34 PM
why wasn't Kyle inclined to use one of those cortosis suits? They were hanging right there... just put one on... for goodness sakes.

It is like all action movies... where the hero of the day has a 9mm handgun, walks past a row of assult rifles, chooses to stick with the handgun, and then complains when they are "out gunned" in the next scene.

V-tecc
05-02-2002, 01:11 PM
Originally posted by Kyuss
why wasn't Kyle inclined to use one of those cortosis suits? They were hanging right there... just put one on... for goodness sakes.

It is like all action movies... where the hero of the day has a 9mm handgun, walks past a row of assult rifles, chooses to stick with the handgun, and then complains when they are "out gunned" in the next scene.

Hehe.. I agree, but I wonder what would happen if they made a movie thats 100% realistic, the hero even dies in the first half hour or something by falling of a roof when doing a spider-man stunt, hehe..

you guys think it would be a hit? :)

V-tecc

Azrael
05-02-2002, 04:00 PM
That's what Jedi Knight was like. That was quite awesome. Go good, and you don't have to fight Yun the second time, but you have to fight Sariss. Go bad, fight Yun, and see a movie of Sariss giving Kyle head. Waitaminute. Was that the game or the specialized porn movie? Hmmm....

Vestril
05-02-2002, 04:39 PM
Hell yeah!

There's so much that I want to know, like for instance: Has Lucas already written the prequals? or is he making them up as they go? I know he must at least have a prototype of the story done, the question is: Is he re-editing them know, to fit the needs of modern Star Wars Fans? Or was there always for example a Darth Maul, looking like he does.

Oh yeah, one other thing: What's EU Canon? (having asked that he immediately felt dumb)



Ok, so George Lucas had an idea of how he wanted the prequals to go when he wrote Star Wars, he knew a lot of the big ideas, but he hadn't written the script for it. He's been writing the scripts as he goes along.

EU canon...is a tricky thing. lots of people have lots of different idea's on what it is. I guess its whatever you chose to believe in.

V-tecc
05-02-2002, 07:07 PM
Originally posted by Vestril

EU canon...is a tricky thing. lots of people have lots of different idea's on what it is. I guess its whatever you chose to believe in.

HA! ...Then to me it's a frog. :)

Kurgan
05-02-2002, 07:49 PM
His original story did not have anything like the shadow troopers

In the early script drafts for Star Wars, Stormtroopers (and just about everyone else) had lightsabers. They're like the standard issue knife that commandos carry for hand-to-hand combat. ; )

As far as EU canon, it doesn't exist. All you have are agreements between EU authors not to "contradict" each other's material intentionally.

Up until a certain point (I believe it was with the release of Dark Empire) the EU authors made no attempt to gel with each other that I know of. That's why you have Leia and Han having one kid in one story, and twins in another. So in Dark Empire they have three kids. ; )

Vestril
05-02-2002, 08:11 PM
As far as EU canon, it doesn't exist. All you have are agreements between EU authors not to "contradict" each other's material intentionally.

Up until a certain point (I believe it was with the release of Dark Empire) the EU authors made no attempt to gel with each other that I know of. That's why you have Leia and Han having one kid in one story, and twins in another. So in Dark Empire they have three kids. ; )

Actually it changed when Timothy Zahn wrote Heir to the Empire, and its not just an agreement between authors, its a process controlled by the editors, to write and sell books in the SW universe you have to stick to the info put out in the movies and books. This is just since Heir to the Empire, mind you.

As to EU canon, it obviously has no effect to the movies, but it does have effect as to other EU things, so that is a canon of a sort (yes I realize that that is a gross misuse of the word canon). In any case some believe that the books mean more than the recent movies, and others, like Kurgan, think its all load of s*** and only the movies count :p

It's all a matter of opinion. My belief is that I love the books, and believe what they say (at least the recent ones) until something in the movies run roughshod over them. Then I just deal with it. I think the books are cool, and it would be extra cool if they meshed perfectly with the movies, but oh well :).

Mr Tim
05-03-2002, 12:31 AM
Originally posted by V-tecc


What about them, the Imperial Royal Guards? - Any cool stories or interesting information about them?



There's a comic series called Crimson Empire (and Crimson Empire 2) which deals with the Imperial Guards and gives more information about them. It's very cool - one of the better series of SW comics.

patchx
05-03-2002, 11:27 AM
i wonder if Lucas reads any of the EU stuff and if he does whether it effects his vision for the rest of the saga

if he paid to much attention to drivel like dark empire it would suck but if he just stuck to the cool zahn stuff and mara jade in particular it would be ok

-patch

Kurgan
05-03-2002, 05:31 PM
As to EU canon, it obviously has no effect to the movies, but it does have effect as to other EU things, so that is a canon of a sort (yes I realize that that is a gross misuse of the word canon). In any case some believe that the books mean more than the recent movies, and others, like Kurgan, think its all load of s*** and only the movies count

In a nutshell, that's pretty much what I think. ; )

But that's not to say I didn't enjoy some of the EU. Obviously, I enjoy the Dark Forces series, which is EU through and through. I think that to be consistent, I have to not expect the EU to conform to the movies, and the movies not to conform to the EU, but whenever anyone tries to argue that the movies need to confirm EU material or vice versa, I may stick it to 'em.

After all, George himself said he would run roughshod over the EU in the prequels and special editions if he damn well pleased, and so far, that's what he's done. And it's his right. The EU is all well and good, some of it is fun, some of it is utter crap, though frankly.

adillon
05-03-2002, 05:53 PM
Originally posted by Woad
That's exactly the point. If they gave off heat, the moment you got within a meter the candle would be reduced to a puddle. Since they don't give off heat, touching the blade to the wick would only ignite the wick.

according to what people are referring to as star wars canon, lightsabers do not give off heat until such a time that it comes in contact with something ...

www.starwars.com/databank/technology/lightsaber/eu.html

that there is canon, my friends.

Vestril
05-03-2002, 06:03 PM
After all, George himself said he would run roughshod over the EU in the prequels and special editions if he damn well pleased, and so far, that's what he's done. And it's his right. The EU is all well and good, some of it is fun, some of it is utter crap, though frankly.

Yeah...like the Jedi Academy series...whyyyyyyyyy?!?!?!?

Also, Lucas didn't really run over EU in the special editions...actually in ANH there was a whole lot of EU stuff crammed into Mos Eisley...

Also, as someone else pointed out, there are some EU things in Episode I (the double bladed Lightsaber) and some things coming up in Episode II Holocrons (I don't know if that really counts as a spoiler...but I've seen people get bitched out far to many times to not take the precaution).