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0c00l
05-01-2002, 05:00 PM
All those fruity ballet dancers pirouetting all over the place are causing me to laugh so much I can't defend myself from the rest of the players.

hyrit
05-01-2002, 05:04 PM
Yes, agreed! Though, the "fruity" part of it probably has something to do with Luke... Just a wild guess there. :D

But seriously, I have stayed out of these stance arguments(there's no debate about it, just arguing) for a reason... Because in the time it takes to type this out, I could be having fun in game. In fact, that sounds like a good idea.

Later.

Ae0N
05-01-2002, 05:05 PM
Originally posted by 0c00l
All those fruity ballet dancers pirouetting



I'll bet you had to look that word up in the dictionary, didn't you?




:eek:

Abom|nation
05-01-2002, 05:10 PM
Fruity?! I think I look pretty damn cool ;)

Medium stance is my preferred choice, I use nothing else but that usually.

Hateplow
05-01-2002, 05:16 PM
Heh, your talking about newbie flailers. just run around swining hopeing for a kill.

0c00l
05-01-2002, 05:19 PM
Ae0n said, "I'll bet you had to look that word up in the dictionary, didn't you? "

I did verify the spelling of it in the dictionary, if that's what you mean.

Hateplow said, "Heh, your talking about newbie flailers. just run around swining hopeing for a kill."

Yeah, lol. Those guys look like headless chickens, running around flailing about. Spamming attack is a pretty good way to set yourself up for a pull/slash combo. In NF duels, though, I usually switch to medium style. ;)

D66
05-01-2002, 05:48 PM
Personaly it's
Open Heavy-- If my oponent is evading pretty well--Switch to Medium--land a couple Med hits--Step down to light
If I land a heavy Glancing blow---Switch to MED
If I land a Heavy blow dead-on--Finish with Light

If I have faced the same opponent a couple times before---Open with Medium (He wont expect That!)

If he is using Medium REALLY well---- Light

If I am in a saberlock----Med or Light

Etc...
etc...

Switch it up, Every stance has good and bad points (NEVER USE HEAVY IF BACKED INTO A WALL OR IN A SABER LOCK)

The only thing that makes me laugh is the people who swear by ONE STANCE and never alternate... I use ALL stances...

-Kztzphl
05-01-2002, 05:58 PM
Deal with it.
I know its annoying to see the newbies running around doing a overhead hit everywhere..
I usually just Grip them, and kill them as they fall.. thats their lesson for being stupid. :D

Aeon
05-01-2002, 05:59 PM
I think this "AeON" character needs to pick another handle.

Dvlos
05-01-2002, 06:07 PM
My favorite stance is the doggie stance.


Maximum penetration with minimal effort.


Now I know your all going to whine and cry about it, but I happen to know that, that is Yoda's preffered style.:fett:

Xanthos
05-01-2002, 06:15 PM
though this really doesn't matter and no one gives 2 ****s what you use or not or what people say is the best or whatever you use, I myself use medium most the time and light. Sometimes light puts a lot of pressure on them because your pulling in a lot of combo hits on them. And while it doesn't do much damage, they still know they got hit 3 or 4 times so they get nervous and feel as if "I gotta hit em, I gotta hit em now" When you switch to normal and kill the sorry fool for even trying to kill you. :)

:jawa

Ae0N
05-01-2002, 11:55 PM
Originally posted by Aeon
I think this "AeON" character needs to pick another handle.


Uhh, why? It seems I've been using my name more than you have anyway...


:rolleyes:

VIO
05-02-2002, 12:47 AM
hey i prefere meduim stace myself not cuz im a noob but because in a duel i like to be able to attack fast but with some ounce of power fast is good speed but the attacks suck and strong is just to slow for me it looks like im lagging and that sucks i also think its cool looking

NewBJedi
05-02-2002, 12:52 AM
I prefer blue stance, it gives me the most control out of all of them.

It's also the weakest, but nothing a few run and kick the person around moves won't solve. :)

dan-o2
05-02-2002, 12:56 AM
By god, you don't think that's THE 0cool, from planetquake3.net, do you? Are you?

bunnymud
05-02-2002, 12:40 PM
Heh, your talking about newbie flailers. just run around swining hopeing for a kill.


I see more heavy n00bs than medium n00bs


swing-n-pray:rolleyes:

Jiro Kage
05-02-2002, 02:59 PM
Another one on my wish list would be a bigger penalty when you do the spin-swing, plus making it actually have better hit detection. It's fairly useless now except for dancing around like a retard.

Ae0N
05-02-2002, 05:11 PM
Originally posted by Jiro Kage
Another one on my wish list would be a bigger penalty when you do the spin-swing, plus making it actually have better hit detection. It's fairly useless now except for dancing around like a retard.



Whenever a player 'spins' when using med or light, he leaves himself open for attack.. It's quite easy to take them down once they begin that move, a skilled jedi should have no problem.




:fett:

Rogue74
05-02-2002, 09:20 PM
There are all kinds people who just run around and flail trying to hit. BUT since all these no skill n00bs are trying to ruin the game by getting the strong stance neutered, I'm gonna have to vote for screwing up the medium stance as well. I say we start emailing Raven about all these people who just twirl around!

Aegis
05-02-2002, 09:24 PM
Why not just ignore the newbs who do that? better yet, why not humilate them but disposing of them? Or, this is my favorite option, find some players who don't do that sort of thing. Because what your doing right now is just complaining about something that you more than likely once did.

Desslock
05-02-2002, 09:45 PM
Originally posted by 0c00l
All those fruity ballet dancers pirouetting all over the place are causing me to laugh so much I can't defend myself from the rest of the players.

You sound more like a disgruntled played who takes ballet and seems offended. :)

Light is more of a flailing n00b stance than Medium, for the fact that it can only be chained 5 times then you have to recover. I've met some potent lights before, and from feedback ingame, I've found Im a pretty potent Med. Also met some skilled Med., but a lot less than Lights. I use Heavy when I need to. I use it only for the one hit kill move, reason being, if I am forced to use it, you are either gang-banging, force happy, or defiled my corpse.. I dont fly all over the place, since I usually switch back to medium after a couple of lunges. I never attack more than twice in a row, if I can help it. Med can leave a big hole in your defense because if you hit them, they wont die from one hit, and they're not afraid of Med as much as Heavy.

Now.. I suggest you force push those dancing Meds to the ground and kick some sense into them.

BlackMagic
05-02-2002, 11:31 PM
Some people can't seem to recognize a joke when they see one.

GB_StormTrooper
05-02-2002, 11:46 PM
Originally posted by hyrit
Yes, agreed! Though, the "fruity" part of it probably has something to do with Luke... Just a wild guess there. :D

Heh have you ever heard Luke's yell when he falls down a cliff? I always crack up when he yells :D

NewBJedi
05-02-2002, 11:53 PM
I hate parody threads.

They are fairly insulting to people have legitimate things to say.

Not getting enough attention in life?

ripmage
05-02-2002, 11:56 PM
newbie flailers, and taking like 6 seconds to make a full swing is skill?? anyone with a brain can dodge it..

Tozier
05-03-2002, 12:20 AM
Originally posted by ripmage
newbie flailers, and taking like 6 seconds to make a full swing is skill?? anyone with a brain can dodge it..

*is puzzled as he reads* Uh..... is it against your religeon to make full sentences? You have 2 fragments there and I have no Idea what the hell you're talking about.

Well... maybe they are almost sentences... but what the hell are you refering to?

steeef
05-03-2002, 01:26 AM
i use the medium stance exclusively. granted if i want to be a more rounded player, i'd get used to all of them and switch between them. however, i seem to do pretty well with just medium.

the only trouble with this is when i go up against someone who's pretty good with heavy stance. luckily, my evading/dodging skills are pretty developed. i usually wait for them to take a swing, strafe out of the way quickly, and take a swipe at them as they pass my previous position.

sk8erxtc
05-03-2002, 11:11 PM
OK , Again with the whole "Noobi" thing.. why don't u people give it a rest. Every forum I go to, theres ppl dissing new comers who bring new ideas and thoughts to debates. Just because people are new to something doesn't mean they are bad at it. or stupid, they are simply inexperienced. I my self am a "noobi" at JKII, I have only been playing the game a week. I have enjoyed it entirely so far. Especially the multiplayer game. I have played it a fair bit over the past week with my house mates on our lan... Its been great, lots of jumping around much piruetting(whatever, no dictionarry to hand) basicly it looks fancy but its been a bit hit an miss. ... hmm I wonder why this is, maby its because we are all new at this game an we haven't yet worked it out completly and got some skills.... So exactly how many of you were instant experts? hmm? I'd love to know how you did it.. it must be great being perfect.!! . I've been playing games for oh, 10 or so years, and it usually takes me a week or two to get really good at a game.. I realy wish i could be like u arrogent F***s and be an instant expert.!!!!.. Oh dear ,, won't you young fools ever learn? "noobis" are not being inexperienced to perticurlarly anoy you "experts", they are simply learning. why don't u do something constructive and offer the new players advice on how to fight, and don't take offence at their lack of perfection!.. OK... .. I've said my piece... and i awate the onslaught of insults.. ..


By the way , Insult my spelling/grammer and i will kill you ... (i am dyslexic)

Sutek
05-03-2002, 11:26 PM
There's actually an odd little difference. Nobody objects to newbies (in theory) who are simply newcomers and usually have a desire to leanr and participate in the community. These people generally go on to become "experts".

When someone is referring to Noobs or n00bs, they mean the people who pay no attention to the universe around them, ignore all common sense and etiquette (of which there is a suprising amountin JK2), and generally annoy those around them by refusing to learn.

So, as a newbie I welcome you, and being a newbie does not automatically make you a noobie :>

Shiik
05-03-2002, 11:59 PM
:newbie:
Though i had no idea that there was any difference (when i played JK1 we used newb) u r right. I never call new people n00bs. I mean, i wont call them that if they r annoying me. Like people who attack when saber is off. Well, i only get real mad if it says so in the title of the game. But, after i tell them it is bad, they usually stop. n00bs dont. thats what i think the difference kinda is. Like ok: i was playing a game, and there was this one guy he just... well.... to put it simply, he was a drain whore. Is the the term? well, not exactly a drain whore, like that, but with lightning(is this actually a bad thing to do, or is it just annoying?) Me and this guy (he's pretty good, our duels lasted LONG time) kept telling him to stop. He wouldn't. We asked him nicley. He wouldn't. we yelled at him. He didn't. I put drain and grip all the way up and threatened him. He didn't. That, ladies and gentlemen, is what I would call a n00b. n00b is more of an insult than meaning like newbie. Kinda like the way people use gay all the time.

oh and, i like to use hard. Mostly cause i either kick them down a lot, or grip, ect. And if i use it in duels, its like the movies and 1 hit will kill them. And if u ever fight bots in the pit (duel), heres what is fun to do: right when they throw saber (they always do) jump down, grip (level 3) and jump all the way up, make them go higher than u, and let them go. Then one or two slashes with most anything will kill them (1 with hard, once i got it to work so well that he just ran into my saber and died)
:explode:
oh, and how do u raise your "rank" in the forums? i think im still bantha fodder.

BloodRayne
05-04-2002, 01:03 AM
my self i use closely only heavy and sometime medium. I use Light only to use the backstab attack. A kool move ;)

http://ps2media.ign.com/ps2/image/bloodrayne_031802_299.jpg
"The blood on my hands is merely proof of my ambition"

Zerox
05-04-2002, 01:15 AM
I use Med. stance only. I normally use the heavy stance when im fighting someone who "dont know jack" about aiming, and the norm of sitting still while attacking.

I use it because its fast, u heavy swing at me and ill hit you a good 2 times before u recover from the swing; that is if good ol' 56k modem will let me have a ping of 250.

I say let people do what they want, and use what they want because in the end they'll learn mostly from their mistakes.

starbucks
05-04-2002, 01:45 AM
onslaught? your english $uxx0rs. and you have no point. Y not vent on noobs? when i lose to noob techniques, i cry myself to sleep. what should i do about that? tell them good job? tell them how to 'really' beat me? Why shouldn't the strong prey on the weak? survival of the quickest to buy the game...law of the computer gaming jungle.

Cancer-X
05-04-2002, 04:52 AM
Med heavy fast i use them all wish the reaction time in changing was better there is like at 15 sec delay

Rogue74
05-04-2002, 08:04 PM
Well I will say one thing that the exclusive medium stance users do have a high opinion of themselves!

I think you all must fight heavy stance users who just swing and then stand there. You can move while you swinging to hit the medium guy when he tries that. I can't remember the last person who actually beat me with medium stance outside of dancing into me when I was fighting other people. It was a stylishly done pirouette reminiscent of Barishnikov...


And about the n00b thing - about the only thing worse or more funny that someone could yell at you in the game is "I suck at this game and I'm 14 and still wet the bed!"

SpaceMonkey1315
05-04-2002, 10:21 PM
Originally posted by 0c00l
All those fruity ballet dancers pirouetting all over the place are causing me to laugh so much I can't defend myself from the rest of the players.

how can so many people have so much trouble matching someone elses skill that they have to verbally bash it OUTSIDE of the game to feel good?

Vestril
05-04-2002, 10:43 PM
OK , Again with the whole "Noobi" thing.. why don't u people give it a rest. Every forum I go to, theres ppl dissing new comers who bring new ideas and thoughts to debates. Just because people are new to something doesn't mean they are bad at it. or stupid, they are simply inexperienced. I my self am a "noobi" at JKII, I have only been playing the game a week. I have enjoyed it entirely so far. Especially the multiplayer game. I have played it a fair bit over the past week with my house mates on our lan... Its been great, lots of jumping around much piruetting(whatever, no dictionarry to hand) basicly it looks fancy but its been a bit hit an miss. ... hmm I wonder why this is, maby its because we are all new at this game an we haven't yet worked it out completly and got some skills.... So exactly how many of you were instant experts? hmm? I'd love to know how you did it.. it must be great being perfect.!! . I've been playing games for oh, 10 or so years, and it usually takes me a week or two to get really good at a game.. I realy wish i could be like u arrogent F***s and be an instant expert.!!!!.. Oh dear ,, won't you young fools ever learn? "noobis" are not being inexperienced to perticurlarly anoy you "experts", they are simply learning. why don't u do something constructive and offer the new players advice on how to fight, and don't take offence at their lack of perfection!.. OK... .. I've said my piece... and i awate the onslaught of insults.. ..


By the way , Insult my spelling/grammer and i will kill you ... (i am dyslexic)

I'm dyslexic too, but I seem to be able to: use paragraphs, capitalize, puctuate, and spell (most of the time). I have to take my time and, oddly enough, I read sentences backwards--but I seem to get by. Have you ever looked for help with your dyslexia? Depending on where you are there should be programs that can help you deal with it.

Newbie isn't an insulting term, its like ignorance--people get offended if you call them ignorant, and it really isn't an insulting thing, it's just a fact. These are the people who ask questions in between duels (on dueling servers) and the people who aren't 100% sure what everything means. I personally have no problem with them, I try to be helpful and polite.

N00b is no longer a term that applies to people new to the game, its a generic insult like 'gay' or 'fag' and as I've said before, I'm glad it's replacing them. The people that call others n00bs are typically jerks and sore losers. Sometimes rational people use it to insult the jerks and sore losers. The fact is that its just another insulting term, and its much nicer than most.

Vestril
05-04-2002, 10:45 PM
oh, and how do u raise your "rank" in the forums? i think im still bantha fodder

Post more, at 50 posts you become a Pit Droid, 100 a Sith Probe Droid, etc...we have a thread about this in the swamp :D

http://www.lucasforums.com/showthread.php?s=&threadid=45047

JabbaOwnJoo
05-04-2002, 10:47 PM
Ok hmm,Newbie came from the 1337 gamers of tribes which originated from haxorz language which is now called 1337 talk.The term n00b is supposed to be insulting and you should think.I dont have Jedi Knight II but Im acheing for it gonna buy it tommrow and gonna be called a n00b WOOT! :bdroid2:

Twins of Doom
05-05-2002, 04:08 AM
ok, none of the stances are cheap.....they all have their counters

medium, easy to counter....just be better than them and use all 3 stances and adapt to the situation

VIO
05-05-2002, 08:19 PM
it comes down to this the people that are complaining are the people who do it in the game a real saberist can kill spinning newbies easily because they know the weaknesses of the moves and when to hit them

NewBJedi
05-05-2002, 10:04 PM
Originally posted by Vestril
I'm dyslexic too, but I seem to be able to: use paragraphs, capitalize, puctuate, and spell (most of the time). I have to take my time and, oddly enough, I read sentences backwards--but I seem to get by. Have you ever looked for help with your dyslexia? Depending on where you are there should be programs that can help you deal with it.

Newbie isn't an insulting term, its like ignorance--people get offended if you call them ignorant, and it really isn't an insulting thing, it's just a fact. These are the people who ask questions in between duels (on dueling servers) and the people who aren't 100% sure what everything means. I personally have no problem with them, I try to be helpful and polite.



If someone calls me a newbie I can simply say, "What?"

Due to my name of course. :p

P.S. I would never guess you are dyslexic. I hear it's a more common thing than people know. A lot of people have it and are misdiagnosed - it should be a part of a standardized test.

Borf
05-05-2002, 10:14 PM
i aint gunna write a ****in thesis like usual, but suffice to say:

wang.