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w1ggl3s
05-08-2002, 03:59 AM
Have you guys even played jk2 heh?

Absorb is so abused and then you make it so we cant tell if we are gonna waste our mana on someone WHO GETS MANA FROM OUR FORCE PWRS USED ON HIM?
What is up with that train of thought?
How can u possibly think this was any help to the saber/force ctf/team dm section of gameplay..

When jk2 came out everyone tripped out cause they thought Drain was SO over pwrd..

Well now ya effed it up so bad that it sucks beyond anything i could have imagined..

I can garentee you that light players out number darks in all servers i play on.

And what did ya do to our big over the hand hit?

All those newbs who couldnt figure out wayts to defeat it and complained screwed it up for us who own at it.

I worked for hours on my timing and acuracy with that weapon.. Now its a prayer in the dark.. And you leave yourself open

There are people running around servers backwards So they can hit backstab and hope to catch you off guard..

Nice fix there. heh

Im so frustrated with this patch..

This game was So nice before this patch.. Things where balanced.. Absorb wasnt so pwrfull that a darky couldnt over come him.. Now i lose all that mana Instantly cause i cant tell if some absorbed dude is using it or not..

So after i try drain and relized he is absorbing me I have no mana for Rage to protect me as he pulls me to the ground and backstabs me.. Ending that round..

Please Make the big over hand hit the way it was before this lousy patch

and PLEASE make it so we can tell if someone is abusing absorb .

I do have one good thing about it.

My victims dont launch into orbit when i backstab them now.. now they take the hits .. I like that alot.

Please Return absorb and big over hand hit to the way they where,

Wiggles

Teir
05-08-2002, 04:05 AM
Havnt even installed the patch yet, none of the servers i play on have it "yet". Cant wait to try it out. The new block from behind sounds pretty neat;)


:lsduel:

Dale7007
05-08-2002, 04:07 AM
Was his name Medel? that was me :P hehehehe

o BTW i was playing with you in the Matrix server, very nice skills.

TechDragon
05-08-2002, 04:17 AM
I agree. This new patch has made Light Forces overpowered and Dark Forces way underpowered. Drain could cost a bit less to balance its strength and now too high cost. If I seem "forcist" or whatever the word is for someone who hates a certain side of the force, I am not. I play Light Force, and I think absorb is too powerfull. It would be possible to make a blinking absorb so that the blue glow would only blink on the model every second or two.

Also when one looks at the console or is typing a message(before the patch), they would be able to move. Typing a message or looking at the console now requires the player to stop moving which leaves the player vunerable to the players who go for the easy kill, which is the majority.

The patch, as much as I dislike it, also has its upsides. I have read and noticed the end and beginning of a swing is weaker than it had been before. I have also noticed a speed difference between Medium Saber Style and Fast Saber Style, which I did not notice before. I also have seen the image which appears over the players model when the player is typing, looking at the console, and configuring forces and buttons. I feel that is a great improvement although a majority of players ignore it, it helps a bit.

I am hoping for the new patch to be completed soon. I know it takes time and work to make a patch. I am not flaming the game or the patch makers. I am just pointing out what just about every other player is thinking. Thank you.

-TechDragon

diggles
05-08-2002, 04:20 AM
Blocking seems completely off the wall now, if I attack someone with a overhand chop from the side or back more then half the time they block it. This patch really took the skill out of the game (as far as saber fighting goes).

Now its just a contest of who pull down and backstab the other first.

Darkside took a big hit with drain.

Grip seems to half been 'nerfed' too. You dont move as fast so anyone with absorb can turn it on before you can chuck them over the edge.

Only positive for darkside is that ligthning takes less power then before...but 8/10 players being absorb whores and the inability to hit anyone with a lightsaber besides pull/backstab...its not fun.

JediCrow
05-08-2002, 04:22 AM
I couldn't read the original post here past the beginning where you say that absorb is abused. Huh??? It's a DEFENSIVE force power that's used DEFENSIVELY. Where's the abuse? Maybe I'm just ignorant because I play primarily NF, but the little bit of Force playing I've done, having my powers absorbed was really the least of my worries. But I'm sure you know what you are talking about, just as I'm sure there are ways to abuse anything.

So carry on and don't mind me.. :)

JediCrow
05-08-2002, 04:30 AM
Ok, I just read the rest of the original post on this thread and I have to completely disagree. The DFA is a cheap move and I'm glad they toned it down. Please don't consider yourself a skilled saberist if that's all you did to win. All the time you spent perfecting that n00b move could have been better spent learning to use the saber with a little more pride and dignity, not to mention skill (well I mentioned it because it's nowhere in YOUR post.) And why do you have to see if someone has absorb on. If all you go around and do is drain and grip, then you deserve having your efforts wasted every once in a while on someone who is ready for your lame tactics. The only bright side to all this is that it looks like I will never see you on any server I play on. But then again, that would be fine with me, since I could show you the error of your ways on the end of my saber.

w1ggl3s
05-08-2002, 04:51 AM
Originally posted by JediCrow
Ok, I just read the rest of the original post on this thread and I have to completely disagree. The DFA is a cheap move and I'm glad they toned it down. Please don't consider yourself a skilled saberist if that's all you did to win. All the time you spent perfecting that n00b move could have been better spent learning to use the saber with a little more pride and dignity, not to mention skill (well I mentioned it because it's nowhere in YOUR post.) And why do you have to see if someone has absorb on. If all you go around and do is drain and grip, then you deserve having your efforts wasted every once in a while on someone who is ready for your lame tactics. The only bright side to all this is that it looks like I will never see you on any server I play on. But then again, that would be fine with me, since I could show you the error of your ways on the end of my saber.

First off Dfa Was never a cheap move.

newbs who couldnt figure out how to defeat it.. made it a move where experts could kill the basic newb to the game quickly.

Soon as the move was introduced to my ctf server i play on all the time. I spent the next 5 hours figuring out wayts to defeat it.

Since then ive come up with 4 well timed and perfectly excuted ways to defeat the move . all of which can be learned by anyone.

Secondly you obviously havnt played saber/force only ctf, dm or team dm.

Absorb takes the mana used on the person and puts it back into your mana base. So what you have is people walking around with invis mana suckers.

no longer can you time yer pulls just as there absorb dies out.

No longer can you hold off on your force attacks so you can time them perfectly..

Now its a shot in the dark... I wonder if this guy is using absorb.

Hit the drain button.. Blue lights up Yep i guess he is.. there goes 3/4s of my mana

Oh look he has Full mana now.

And btw.. I was one of the first people on my ctf servers that learnd how to use absorb to block such attacks as the force pulle/backstab combo. I use absorb as an offensive tool and if u think its defensive your Totaly and 100% wrong.

Yes you can turn on absorb and skate around the map vurtualy unharmed.. but imagin this scenario

i attack a player using the dark force

he drains.. I counter with absorb

he grips me.. I counter with absorb and gain all my mana back

He trys to pull me down I have absorb on and he gives me mana

I scoot up close to him pull him down instantly with Pull force

I turn around and backstab him

Case closed done deel

heh as far as your little challenge bring it..

Im on the matrix server or seatle saber only ctf all the time

ANother thing..

How come drain/grip are lame tactics

but hiding behind absorb is not?

The balance is so far off its just crazy to me.

Everything was fine before the patch

idlemind
05-08-2002, 04:56 AM
Originally posted by JediCrow
Ok, I just read the rest of the original post on this thread and I have to completely disagree. The DFA is a cheap move and I'm glad they toned it down. Please don't consider yourself a skilled saberist if that's all you did to win. All the time you spent perfecting that n00b move could have been better spent learning to use the saber with a little more pride and dignity, not to mention skill (well I mentioned it because it's nowhere in YOUR post.) And why do you have to see if someone has absorb on. If all you go around and do is drain and grip, then you deserve having your efforts wasted every once in a while on someone who is ready for your lame tactics. The only bright side to all this is that it looks like I will never see you on any server I play on. But then again, that would be fine with me, since I could show you the error of your ways on the end of my saber.

this whole post would have actually made sense IF only the DFA was changed. But it wasn't. Every other aspect of saber fighting was changed as well. It's not just the time he spent perfecting his DFA that was wasted. I spent a whole goddamn month of my life perfecting yellow to a science. I had the most beautiful combos, and I mixed it up with red and blue to be a dangerous opponent. Now all of my skill in saber fighting couts for nothing, nada, zip. There is so little skill left it's ridiculous. An effective tactic now comprises of run back, throw saber when the other person attacks, then try to backstab them. OO boy how exciting.
I don't even know if I'm gonna keep playing. And not because I don't want to learn the changes. I really don't mind adapting to changes. Fighting with sabers just isn't fun anymore.

waxdart
05-08-2002, 05:04 AM
One quick note, and being a light side player by trade, I don't know _why_ I'm sharing this...

Lightning cuts through absorb. Make of that what you will.

And absorb _does_ cost manna, w1ggl3s. It's not like we can leave it on all the time. If a dark side player is foolish enough to give me a full force recharge once they see the blue glow, there's nothing I can do for them.

GileS__l7l
05-08-2002, 05:09 AM
For god's sake, let the game out for at least 6 months before you go screwing with the mechanics like this...I was so hooked on this game since day one but now I don't even like to play it. Experienced players could avoid these "abused powers" and the one hitter...what's the big??

GheY™

w1ggl3s
05-08-2002, 05:15 AM
I have and will be one of the biggest abusers of absorb..

I know what it does..

The only way u can kill an absorber is by killing them with the saber..

Which meens u have to be very close to me

If your very close to me without absorb.. Im pulling u to the ground and backstabbing you

Clue pls

Pedantic
05-08-2002, 05:19 AM
Dammit, they took away my beautiful medium spin combos. :(

failsaf3
05-08-2002, 05:30 AM
Took a half way decent game and made it feel like a beta. All saber control is gone and people are doing saber fights backwards in an attempt to land a backward slash. I guess its the only effective tactic seeing how auto block is almost now seems godly in any stance-

PATCH SUCKS- and sadly now MP SUCKS as well. Hopefully I can reinstall and milkl 1.02 for all its worth.

Thanks Raven!

Leagle
05-08-2002, 05:45 AM
;P

But seriously. :violin:

Pete Starkiller
05-08-2002, 08:01 AM
the patch is great, methinks u should all stop crying!!!!!!!!!

Darksider
05-08-2002, 08:03 AM
i find absoloutley no problem whatsoever with new drain

D'akt Sangwar
05-08-2002, 08:04 AM
Originally posted by w1ggl3s


I worked for hours on my timing and acuracy with that weapon.. Now its a prayer in the dark.. And you leave yourself open


Wiggles

but wasnt it intended to be this way originally
in the manual it states it as a finishing move
therfore it suits the way it is now

SaberPro
05-08-2002, 08:07 AM
I don't see anyone here crying other than you crying for people to stop "crying" :D

rut-wa jodar
05-08-2002, 08:16 AM
TO ALL THE WHINERS:
If you don`t like the patch UNINSTALL IT !!!!!!!

:violin: :violin: :violin:

SaberPro
05-08-2002, 08:26 AM
Originally posted by rut-wa jodar
TO ALL THE WHINERS:
If you don`t like the patch UNINSTALL IT !!!!!!!

:violin: :violin: :violin:

Alrite. I'm in this whine trend too. STOP WHINING, WHINER!

Sithdrone
05-08-2002, 08:32 AM
Strategy is out the window...Welcome to HACKFEST 2002.
All the lamers are out in full force with their "backstab script" which lets you pull it off with a press of a button. Thrilling.

This patch makes me feel like I'm playing a console game. yawn

BS - soundwave
05-08-2002, 08:33 AM
its possible to land saber hits , but *gosh* you need timing and skill rather than spam now.

Lucky
05-08-2002, 08:35 AM
Most of the competitive venues for this game are boycotting the patch.

Not really sure why they released it anymore. Os's opinion of duels totally shoots the 'it makes sabers better' claim out of the water.

So far its screwed up every play mode, drastically changed most of the dynamics, and generally not done anything decent other than piss people off and make them reinstall the game.

Or simply quit playing.


Lucky

SaberPro
05-08-2002, 08:35 AM
Originally posted by Sithdrone

This patch makes me feel like I'm playing a console game. yawn

Super Mario World > Patch v1.03

(eats mushroom) :lol: :lol:

Perniciosus
05-08-2002, 08:38 AM
Originally posted by SaberPro

(eats mushroom) :lol: :lol:

heh! I swear, one of these days some aspiring politician is gonna go and try to ban Mario for it's "obvious relationship to casual drug usage" :D

SaberPro
05-08-2002, 08:41 AM
LOL

Like the Australian government banned GTA3 as PORNOGRAPHY

LOL

:rofl:

:lol: :lol:

Krak3n
05-08-2002, 08:46 AM
I havn't had a chance to try the patch yet but it's really worrying to see soo many people complaining. If you find the game that frustrating and not enjoyable then don't play it, it's simple, don't come here blowing your horn at how crap somthing is.

It's just a matter of getting use to the new styles and learning how to control the game to suit your particular playing style, and exploiting all moves. Although i didn't like the hard stance i got used to it and more often then not i just avoided their lunges. It will be the same with the changed styes, getting used o it and using them to my advantage. You can't be good by someone handing your skill to you on a plat, you must work hard at it to dominate and win. For me the most enjoyable part is dominating a particular game through hard work. :D

SaberPro
05-08-2002, 08:51 AM
Originally posted by Krak3n
If you find the game that frustrating and not enjoyable then don't play it, it's simple, don't come here blowing your horn at how crap somthing is.

Rephrase: If you find a job that frustrating and not enjoyable then quit it, it's simple, don't come here blowing your horn at how poor you are (lol)

It's just a matter of getting use to the new styles and learning how to control the game to suit your particular playing style, and exploiting all moves.

Even unrealistic and almost insulting to a great title? Guess you are not a Star Wars fan...

Lucky
05-08-2002, 09:01 AM
We found it very enjoyable before the patch, afterwards, the game got nerfed into oblivion.

I find it ridiculous that the only way to kill someone with the current combat system is to turn around and run at them backwards.

Everything in the game is too weak, its like fighting with wiffle bats and squirt guns.


Lucky

Krak3n
05-08-2002, 09:19 AM
Actually i am a Star Wars fan, and a pritty big one (can't wait for EP2 AoTC, only 8 days to go :D). But there is a difference betweeen Online Gaming and being a fan of the films. I treat evry game the same regardless of what genre it is or wether i am a fan of it.
The idea of online gaming is to beat your oponent(s) in a game or team based game, it's not to act like you are a real jed, or Security guard, or an alien bent on destroying the world, thats what Single Player is for.

I'm not 'Blowing my Horn' i'm trying to get some rational thought into these posts instead of ranting and whining on and on about stuff you don't like.

Lucky
05-08-2002, 09:23 AM
Exactly, the point of an fps is to win. Its nice when you can win in an esthetically pleasing manner, and when its challenging and non-repetitive.

A huge # of people on these forums seem to want to role play with an fps, its a bad idea, go buy an rpg and leave me alone. You got my g'damn guns nerfed and I had to uninstall 4 times just to get rid of the friggin patch so I could play ctf.

I honestly can't imagine what Raven was thinking with this patch.


Lucky

SaberPro
05-08-2002, 09:38 AM
Originally posted by Krak3n

The idea of online gaming is to beat your oponent(s) in a game or team based game, it's not to act like you are a real jed, or Security guard, or an alien bent on destroying the world, thats what Single Player is for.

I'm not 'Blowing my Horn' i'm trying to get some rational thought into these posts instead of ranting and whining on and on about stuff you don't like.

Guess cheatin' and hackin' work too (main goal to defeat enemy?) What if Raven changed saber into all the gay moves there are, we adjust to it? What if Raven decided to take out saber duels and just have a Force fight, we adjust to it?

We aint no Jedi...just another guy with a lightsaber. If you WANT to be a Jedi, then let's RPG :)

'Blowing my Horn' hehe notice the (lol)

Krak3n
05-08-2002, 09:44 AM
Originally posted by SaberPro
Guess cheatin' and hackin' work too (main goal to defeat enemy?)

No, that is wrong to cheat or hack, it's not winning with your own personal skill. Therefore your just a sad 12 year old n00b and not a l33t player.

SaberPro
05-08-2002, 09:47 AM
Originally posted by Krak3n


No, that is wrong to cheat or hack, it's not winning with your own personal skill. Therefore your just a sad 12 year old n00b and not a l33t player.

Hey hey I'm just wondering, since you said online gaming is all about defeating the enemy.

And umm no i'm not 12, i consider myself not a n00b, and i dont consider myself a l33t player also :)

Jessicka
05-08-2002, 10:05 AM
this patch sucks. Swordfighting is akward now and that double click kick flip sucks for people that dont have a mous elike I do that does two clicks in less then a second. It's unfair and i feel bad to turn my saber off and run around kicking people to death because of a mouse bug. I have no choice though now. saber combat is horrible. Its become random newbie fighting. I took skill before to fight and now i just look away at the tv and hold tap the swing in medium nonstop and kill people. Its totally boring. Im playing prepatched now with alot of people. Much more fun. They can balance out the force powers (lightening is worse now dark vs dark unless you drain it but then your locked in unskillful sword combat that bored the hell out of me. I saw keep the duck swing (no roll) thats cool. Return the kick to one click and throw in double light sabers or duel for dark with a new play mode thats basically like duel just 2 on 1. Theres a nice mod now with duel sabers someone did but it crashes alot.

Krak3n
05-08-2002, 10:11 AM
The flip in the 1.02 version was very anoying if you wanted to jump over a small lip while still moveing forward, u'd end up dping a back flip, in CTF that could be the difference between capping a flag, and not capping a flag. The double tap is pressing your jump button twice, not your primary mouse button. Unless you jump useing a mouse button, personelly i use C on the keyboard to jump, much easier in my veiw.
The double tap in my opinion will work much better. But you have a point, people with slow PC's may not be able to tap fast enough.

Krak3n

Vanor
05-08-2002, 02:18 PM
Originally posted by Krak3n
But you have a point, people with slow PC's may not be able to tap fast enough.

If your computer can't register two taps of one button fast enough, then how the hell is it powerfull enough to even run JK2?

The keyboard is one of the first things to get CPU time, so there is simply no excuse hardware wise, for someone to not to be able to double tap a key quickly enough to do a flip kick.

TechDragon
05-08-2002, 10:32 PM
Originally posted by rut-wa jodar
TO ALL THE WHINERS:
If you don`t like the patch UNINSTALL IT !!!!!!!


Okay, so we uninstall it... Now we have to go about getting all the servers to do the same?
Point: We can play with 1.02, but what do we do about all the servers where we play that use 1.03?

I was playing today, and I'm seeing more Jedi Asses than Jedi Faces....

Vagabond
05-08-2002, 11:02 PM
The truth is that Absorb is still underpowered, and Dark Siders will rule. Why? Because all a Dark Sider has to do is listen for the buzz that Absorb gives off. If they hear it, then they just need to wait for it to go away, and then immediately zap the Light Sider. It's been done to me over and over until I became convinced that being a Light Jedi was completley pointless.

Ideaman
05-08-2002, 11:07 PM
Don't come here blowin your horn
:horn:

w1ggl3s
05-08-2002, 11:19 PM
hehe vagabond if u stand around listening for a buzz from an absorber your already dead :P

Absorb is and will continue to be the biggest imbalance in the game unless raven decides to come up with a balance for the dark side.

Anything a dark player throws at me i can counter with absorb.

And end up with full bars of pwr where as the darks are flat on there back getting backstabbed

Wiggles

Kurgan
05-08-2002, 11:29 PM
Even without taking the patch into account, this isn't even a question people need to be asking!

Oh Absorb is so easy to counter, it's not even funny!

The trouble is, too many people want to master the game instantly, they want to just play the Dark Side and win all the time.

That's why in JK, "most" people seemed to play Dark Side, and the same thing happened in JK2. Not because it was stronger, it just seemed easier to learn.

The fact is, Protection is what you use against weapon users, and Absorb is what you use against FORCE users.

Dark Jedi tend to rely on Force/Saber to get their kills, while Light Jedi tend to rely on their other weapons, with the Force as just a way to counter.

If a Light Jedi turns on absorb, and you're dark, don't freak out! Get some guns and blow them up, that's how you're supposed to play! People act like you change one thing and suddenly you can't win anymore. It's all about adaptation and learning people!

Besides, Dark Rage is and always was a great counter to Absorb when it comes to Dark Force powers.

And I stand by my statement about Dark vs. Light. Note, that that's not the way people HAVE to play, but it's the natural tendency given how they operate. I consider Light harder to master because you have to learn to use the other weapons. Still, a Dark Jedi SHOULD learn everything else about the game, because eventually, that level of adaptation is needed against opponents that are good enough!

w1ggl3s
05-08-2002, 11:48 PM
You obviously dont play saber/force only ctf and Team dm and dm. heh

Believe me it makes a hell of a difference when someone runs around with absorb and you cant do anything against em

Lucky
05-08-2002, 11:59 PM
It worked fine before the patch, if they hadn't screwed with the weapon balance it'd still work fine.

Now going and getting a gun is meaningless, mostly because you don't have enough ammo to kill someone unless you comb the level twice.

Lucky

Deadeye
05-09-2002, 12:08 AM
I have heard some of the stupidest, most retarded complaints about this patch on this thread.

One guy said that he can't do the DFA move that he spent 5 hours perfecting. -Get a life.

Another guy said that there is too much blocking so NOW there is no skilled involved? Hello? Now you actually have to time your attacks, and use skill to get a good solid hit in. -jeez you're stupid.

The same guys said now it's swing fest 2002. I got your solution here for ya. Don't swing mindlessly around you stupid n00b.
Just because that method used to kill quicker before the patch doesn't mean you weren't doing it. Now we can see your feeble skills.

Then another guy is bitching about how absorb is invisible now.
Oh no, he takes all my mana. waa waa I can't grip him off a ledge.
First of all it costs mana to use absorb, and it doesn't just fill you up every time someone lightnings, grips you. It is no easier to be light side than it was before. Quit making excuses for your lack of skill.

This is supposed to be a game that simulates what we have seen in the movies. -That's all they have to go on. That's what Raven tried to do. I think everyone forgot about what the game is supposed to be and now just wants easy ways to win. To spend five ours perfecting one-hit kill or cheap moves that rack up quick kills is not holding true to the spirit of the f***ing game, and is a complete waste of time. You're an idiot if all youre' in this for is to win. But go have fun. I really don't give a s**t if you kill me. If it makes your day to come in first in a computer game, you need to get out a bit more.

I like to use all three stances when appropriate, and use a variety of force powers the same. I try sieze opportunites, not use the s**t out of one or two cheap moves. Jeez you people sound like 4 year-olds.

The bottom line is that the problem is the people, not the game. that's why there was all this code of honor crap. Some poor sap suggested we have a code of conduct that players should abide by. Then in came the flames. I'm not doing that b/c I just kill to win. On and on you morons bitched about it. I didn't say anyting b/c I knew it wouldn't work. Just play the f***ing game. There are always gonna be some one who exploits cheap moves. And for all you morons who do that. Take a tip from the master, and spend five hours perfecting all the new cheap moves.

Deadeye
05-09-2002, 12:10 AM
LUCKY- there's plenty of ammo. Just not as much area-effect ammo. I guess you're one of those guys who just ran around using the ALT fire on the repeater, or the fletchette gun?

-nice.

VIO
05-09-2002, 12:28 AM
YOU PEOPLE DISGUST ME YOUR ALL HIPOCRITS
you say blocking takes the skill out yeah right it just keeps skilless asses from overhead choping every five second it encourges the player to take more time to think about how hes is going to attack and when he can get him off gaurd ie: mid swing
it doesn't take skill away it make you need more skill and not the i can do the same big ass swing with heavy style really fast "skill"
it adds a stratigeic element to the battles so stop wining because your to lazy to learn when to attack ppl or when to do a different move im glad they changed it now it more l;ike the movie battles

Deadeye
05-09-2002, 12:34 AM
VIO-

Thank you! finally someone with a brain in here. To say I agree would be stupid. -Its obvious that it takes more skill now.

NewBJedi
05-09-2002, 12:46 AM
The saber offense control is better .. but the added defense negates it completely.

More skills does not = more swings.

And that's what the uber saber defense does.

It just requires you to swing a lot more.

Skill has NOTHING to do with it.

w1ggl3s
05-09-2002, 01:46 AM
k first off DFa was a great weapon before the patch. one could easily beet it if they knew what they where doing.

Now its worthless

Secondly I invite you to try and defeat me whilst i use absorb and you use dark side forces.

TechDragon
05-09-2002, 01:53 AM
Then another guy is bitching about how absorb is invisible now.
Oh no, he takes all my mana. waa waa I can't grip him off a ledge.
First of all it costs mana to use absorb, and it doesn't just fill you up every time someone lightnings, grips you. It is no easier to be light side than it was before. Quit making excuses for your lack of skill.


Mana is low cost for absorb. Absorb lasts 30 seconds at its max, it takes about 1 of those units of force per 5 seconds... lets see, you lose 6 units of force for 30 seconds of otherworldly protection... Hmm can you say overpowered?

aColdOldKodiak
05-09-2002, 02:03 AM
Just voicing out that the patch sucks. Set it back, this game is not fun anymore.

[bh] Jodo Kast
05-09-2002, 02:16 AM
Thankfully we can all look ahead 3 months from now when the DFA whiners complain about the NEXT exploit they patch.

If you don't want to practice, of course they want DFA! That is the only reason to use an exploit.

Have fun with the newbies on the old versions! Only newbie server ops don't update. Why? Cuz MOST people are sick of your tricks! :atat:

Silent Victor
05-09-2002, 03:10 AM
Being a light jedi, I strangely have to agree with wiggles on the absorb thing. I don't believe absorb can be abused, as it is purely defensive. No defensive power can be abused. The notion of that is kind of silly. However, I did enjoy it more the way it used to be. I very much enjoyed being one of the few light sides users, as opposed to feeling like I'm picking on a few dark jedi. I like the way absorb works now, I just don't like the crowds of light jedi that realize that light side force is actually useful. As far as wasting your force power on someone with absorb on, just give 'em a little push. If they glow blue, then they're using absorb, and you should stab them. I would very much like the remaining dark jedi out there to find some incredible way to beat the hell out of absorb, so I can go back to feeling like I'm not on the newbie team.

MMP
05-09-2002, 03:22 AM
I've found it takes way more skill to get a kill now then it did with 1.02. This isn't supposed to be straight up deathmatch, people. This is an entirely different style of gameplay, where it takes time and effort to get a kill. Geez.

w1ggl3s
05-09-2002, 03:47 AM
there is no way heh.

Would be fine but for some reason everyone is ulti mate block!

I turned my defense down to 0 now hehe

Dont matter I block every friggen shot with defense at 100 or 0 :P

and absorb is still to imbalanced

Demangel
05-09-2002, 09:20 AM
Man oh man... This IS getting sad... Hypocrits? YEAH! thats one word for em all...

This patch does NOT suck....

The reason people are bitching is mostly because of what some people have said... thier prescious ego bossting score has teken a hit because a guy or gal who actually knows how to play the game can beat the pants off them now...

Just last night some loser was on the server, feeling it was nescessary to bitch about how the game sucks now... How DFa was removed (which it wasn't) and how saber fighting takes now skill now to do... He was laughed and beaten off the damn server...

Before he left of course some dork showed him the pull backstab move, and he racked up about 10 kills in 2 minutes with it... Then cackled and left...

to those who think saber fighting requires no skill now, you are DEAD, and I mean DEAD wrong...

They take about equal skill... Is someone is being a headless chicken then use that god like blocking power to protect your self, you act like there is no defense for it for phucks sake!

The day before the patch I had finaly gotten the hang of saber fighting the way I wanted too, i was owning the server, taking on 2-5 at a time and giving as good as I got...

The new patch was released...

I sat down and played... the first half hour sucked... I'll give you that... I was almost as frustrated as at first... i had half a mind to hate the new patch, thinking they wen't wrong somewhere...

I played for another half hour, and realised it works a LOT like it did before, except now you just have to hit a bit more, switch styles, and know the combo's besides DFA, and be able to do them instantly.

By the two hour mark i was right back to where I was prepatch... Except now I was enjoying every second of it with a bit more intesnity...

i am not some saber code member or otherwise... I am not someone new to these kinds of games, and I am not a 12 year old... (though I might write like one sometimes heheh)

the point is, some people have legitimate reasons for not liking the new game, although I feel these gripes are largly stylistic, and not technically oriented...

Technically with a few minor exceptions (which I am sure will soon be exploited), this patch has done more to make this game playable in MP, than most of the complainers realize...

Besides in 6 months when the next patch comes out, everyone will be bitching 1.03 is the best so you know what?

to me most of you complainers who return your games, quit, or don't play 1.03, or even better yet, don't try to adapt will be absolutely no skin off my nose... you can and will be replaced, or killed by the ones who master the new saber combat style...

It's heartless, it's cruel, but I just can't take this anymore...

Before the whining was over obvious bugs, but now it's pointless opinionated debate about which was the better patch...

i have yet to see one threadabout how it sucks now that states in clear cut reasons why it sucks, with the exception of the pull backstab spam complaints...

Overall if you don't thinnk the game is balanced for the better now, too bad... your SOL... (speaking to saber only folks out there, since I don't play gun servers so I have no opinion on guns now)

Why? because it is, and tats probably why you can't win anymore, or rack up kills... As for dueling? i can see where waiting ten minutes for your turn can be a bad thing... I really can...so I feel for you in this respect... but do what I did... go on a FFA server and just duel people there... same damn thing, cept now you can be actiuve while waiting for your chance to hit K.

If all you do is play to be high on the kill chart, then master the new styles... if your style is to be cheesy like my friends 12 year old brother, then what can I say... the ADULTS have won yet another round... THANK GOd for that...

As for complaints in general... complaints = good, but this is getting WAY out of hand, heck it was way out of hand before the patch, and is downright disgusting now...

this game rocked before, and only rocked harder now... Get over yourselves...

Deadeye
05-09-2002, 02:25 PM
DEMANGEL-

Thankyou. Well said.