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GileS__l7l
05-09-2002, 04:06 AM
All who are against the use of the 1.03 patch, post your info and/or dismayal here.

Let this be a meeting place for all those who play Outcast the pure, original, non-patched FUN way.

I am GileS__l7l on the MSN IGZ, and I will never use the patch!!! They'll never take me alive!

Crack 6K
05-09-2002, 04:12 AM
Fine don't use it. Pfftt.... why don't you get USED to the patch before making yourself look like an incredibly ignorant n00b?

Hateplow
05-09-2002, 04:14 AM
http://www.strike9.com/file.aspx/path=/Hate+Plow/fullsize%5cOwned/newbie.jpg

Please, jump off a cliff.

Pedantic
05-09-2002, 04:37 AM
GileS__l7l, ignore these crackheads. Onward with the movement!

BradFu
05-09-2002, 04:44 AM
Trying to start a movement against something you haven't had a chance to fully experience isn't going to impress a lot of people :P How about you do like a lot have suggested and give it about a week? Try to get used to it, maybe after you've re-learned a little, you might like it? In the meanwhile, It would be nice if you could change one of the poll options to "No, I have an open mind". I don't mean to attack anyone with this, but jumping to conclusions about things is never a great idea. As far as this poll goes, about the only thing you're going to get out of it is a very unscientific idea of who might not like the patch. Raven will not do anything in response to this one little poll, especially considering most of the changes in the patch were made because of complaints/suggestions about problems people had with it. Why don't we leave this poll alone until next week? Lets say, after Episode 2 comes out? :) I have a feeling that then, many more people will be more interested in recreating a "realistic" style of lightsaber dueling (realistic meaning closer to the movies). But we'll see.

BradFu!

GileS__l7l
05-09-2002, 04:48 AM
You hatahs are definitely the same n00bs I SABER SLAM™ every night over and over again - the same ones who say:

• "One move, that's all you know"
• "Lame"
• Darth Noobie disconnected.
• "You can't fight without the one-hit"
• "Know any other saber styles, loser?"

Well, that's when I switch to blue or yellow and shove my saber up their asses any way they like it.

Light stance? You got it.

Medium stance? Still PwNeD™

And you know what? I still own people in this patch, but it JUST AINT FUN ANYMORE. I don't want a saber fight that takes me all night, or a duel that I can't even tell when I hit someone. Face it, they ruined the game, and the only reason you queers like this patch is because you don't die in .00025 seconds like you used to.

THIS IS AN ANTI-PATCH THREAD, YOU DONT LIKE IT, GO MAKE YOUR OWN THREAD!

UniKorn
05-09-2002, 04:49 AM
I still remember when JK2 was released : this sucks, that sucks blablabla, now everyone likes it, they adjust a little and boom, everyone again this sucks that sucks. Get used to it, learn.

Samiam
05-09-2002, 09:26 AM
Face it, they ruined the game, and the only reason you queers like this patch is because you don't die in .00025 seconds like you used to.

WORD.

Nill the Mean
05-09-2002, 09:38 AM
Oh well, shame we won't be seeing you in any games at all then in a month or so. Becuase your not running the patch... You can always just wait for the next one and make suggestions for it instead of saying that this patch needs to be nerfed.

Darth Skyw@lker
05-09-2002, 09:38 AM
Stupidest thread i ever see... shut up, make with it

Luc Solar
05-09-2002, 09:43 AM
Oh god! Hateplow, you crack me up! Love the pic!
Where do you find that great stuff!? LOL! :D :D :D

Wicket the Ewok
05-09-2002, 09:43 AM
GileS__l7l = :newbie:

:ewok:

Luc Solar
05-09-2002, 09:47 AM
I just have to add that You l7l -Clan Guys Are SO COOL!! :D :rolleyes:

Ae0N
05-09-2002, 04:01 PM
Originally posted by GileS__l7l
The Anti-patch Movement (apm)



Someone has too much time on their hands..


:rolleyes:

JRA_Wolf
05-09-2002, 04:05 PM
I'd just like to post this, thanks...

Quoting DIRECTLY from my email inbox:

"We're not reverting to anything, complainers are just going to have to get used to it all over again, I guess... :/

Michael Chang Gummelt

Gameplay Programmer: Jedi Knight II

Raven Software

www.ravensoft.com"

Put up or shut up, thanks bye.

JRA_Wolf
05-09-2002, 04:06 PM
So in other words...your little band of "Anti-Patch" junkies are gonna be obsolete soon.

Bl4de
05-09-2002, 06:50 PM
ROFL.
Hey llamas, go get a life YOU LOSERS!

You act as if the patch is some sort of new bill that congress has passed that outlawed being IGNORANT childish morons, which of course you would take offense to. This is ONE patch out of what I'm sure will be many, what the hell are you losers getting so upset about? If you don't like the patch don't install it, and don't tell the people who DO like the patch how much you hate it. No one cares about your "skills" that were "lost" when you downloaded the patch, which by the way WAS OPTIONAL. What do you plan to achieve with your dumb little poll? "Oh look at us, we suck with the new patch and don't feel like trying to get better so we just complain to Raven who isn't listening, trying to get them to remove the patch"

I swear to God, some day a cheap dell computer will replace llama's like you, all they have to do is program it to say whiney things over and over.

Oh yeah, your poll is failing, it looks there are more no's than yes's, obviously you're the minority, llamas.

Tozier
05-09-2002, 07:52 PM
Originally posted by GileS__l7l
You hatahs are definitely the same n00bs I SABER SLAM™ every night over and over again - the same ones who say:

• "One move, that's all you know"
• "Lame"
• Darth Noobie disconnected.
• "You can't fight without the one-hit"
• "Know any other saber styles, loser?"

Well, that's when I switch to blue or yellow and shove my saber up their asses any way they like it.

Light stance? You got it.

Medium stance? Still PwNeD™

And you know what? I still own people in this patch, but it JUST AINT FUN ANYMORE. I don't want a saber fight that takes me all night, or a duel that I can't even tell when I hit someone. Face it, they ruined the game, and the only reason you queers like this patch is because you don't die in .00025 seconds like you used to.

THIS IS AN ANTI-PATCH THREAD, YOU DONT LIKE IT, GO MAKE YOUR OWN THREAD!

very... very... very!.... VERY!!!!!! well said! I'm joining the movement because it's not fun anymore, and buggy.

Lord Briss
05-09-2002, 08:10 PM
Here's a NEWSFLASH for all you pro-patch people.

The only reason you like this patch is because you:
a) Like running around like a headless chicken spinning your saber about.
b) Stick to blue and Yellow saber style, Why? Because it lets you do the above ^
c) Die frequently from force Grip (yes - I'm afraid your opponent chose a better tactic than you - it's your fault for standing near an edge idiot - get tactical next time.)
d) Die frequently from stong-style saber attacks. And NO, not the famous 'unblockable' 'noobie' jump-slash attack that you always whine about, I'm talking about well-timed powerful well-aimed strikes. If you didn't like it before the patch then learn to force pull or any other countermeasure for f's sake.

Now here's why the patch super-sucks for people like me who used to use stong style/grip:

1) Strong style used to take longer to swing, so you had to choose your moment and aim it well. Now it's too fast, less powerful and harder to aim at your 'headless-chicken' opponent.
2) Grip suffers from the same type of problem - it's slow and more difficult to throw people off ledges - which was a great fun part of the game. Theres only one kind of player who cant quickly break out of it and that would be one who just died sitting at his computer.
3) You people who are arguing that there's more skill and strategy to saber fighting: What ARE you talking about? Saber fights now are basically this: everyone SPINNING around and around using light/medium saber. Thats not counting the saddos who do that backwards lunge move (easy to counter but annoying to keep watching) It's about as 'tactical' as a room full of epileptic gerbils on acid.

And on that subject: Shutup about it being more tactical for gods sake - just admit that you were a scrappy saber user before the patch, and you're still a scrappy saber user after the patch. It just suits you to say it's more 'tactical' Tactical my arse.

One other thing - before you start saying I'm a 'noob' and that I'm obviously hating it because I can't play it: I've just won several saber games in a row on different servers. Just because I hate the patch doesn't mean I can't play well and win. My 'whining' about the patch is legitimate I'm afraid.

I've heard the old "Stop whining and learn to play the game" line. That's a great philospohy mate, but this is a FORUM. It's meant for airing opinions and disussing things. Just as well you're not a moderator otherwise no one would ever use the forum.

Game Developers:
1) Bring back the old strong saber style (but keep the new range of movements with it),
2) increase mobility while using grip, and
3) for gods sake limit the amount of times in 1 minute that people can do that backwards lunge - as a typical room full of 'dueling' jedis now looks like a Spinning and Crouching ballet class. Jeezus.

:jawa :fett:

Leagle
05-09-2002, 08:18 PM
Originally posted by GileS__l7l

I am GileS__l7l They'll never take me alive!

You rebel scum! :slsaber:

Bl4de
05-09-2002, 08:19 PM
Pro patch? There are names now? Would you people read a book and shut the hell up?

The fact is Raven will not remove the first ever patch for JK2 simply because the llamas who can't play without the strong stance want them to. You REALLY think they will? Smell the Foldiers, kids, your pathetic attempt to make yourselves look better than you are by blaming it on the patch, won't work. Now, go practice at JK2 instead of whining to the more fortunate people in life.

Darthtoast
05-09-2002, 09:00 PM
I think the patch is more true to the movie. I don't recall seeing any fights between jedi and sith (or jedi on jedi, etc) take .00025 seconds to complete. I was fine with the game and I'm fine with it now, but as I just said, it's closer to the movies now.

But that's just me, I'm sure a lot of you think differently.

flippo
05-09-2002, 09:19 PM
pro-patchers just love to flame. no matter what you post, if it has any anti-patch sentiment in it, they will be there to flame you. oh well, what can you do?

you can track down their zitty ****ing asses and beat the **** out of 'em. great invention, this internet.

Lord Sokar
05-09-2002, 10:56 PM
What I don't understand is why everyone is under the impression that the only people who want the patch nonsense corrected are players who only know how to DFA crowds to death. I can't stand people DFAing into a crowded group of players either, but I also learned how to deal with it without 'having the playing field leveled'.

Yellow is by far my favorite stance and I had it down to an art. If I WANTED to spin, I could, if I didn't, I would pop you in the face three times as you advanced on me with nary a spin until you walk around behind me.

I've been playing this thing since it came out (way to much I might add) and it IS worse. You do not have the control you did, people block to much, my saber-weilding arm didn't shoot out to the side or straight up for no damn reason. Yeah, it looks cool, but it did not help the game play.

There is no reason why this patch could have been much more subtle instead of completely re-writing of the saber system. Other game makers realize that people have invested time in their game as soon as it came out and wouldn't have touched their game physics in such a radical way. What do you think would have happened to Quake 3 or UT if they did? Players would have freaking lost their minds.

Gladly put my name on the list. I don't like becoming proficient with a game only to have to start over from scratch.

Aiee
05-09-2002, 11:00 PM
Originally posted by Lord Sokar
I've been playing this thing since it came out (way to much I might add) and it IS worse. You do not have the control you did, people block to much, my saber-weilding arm didn't shoot out to the side or straight up for no damn reason. Yeah, it looks cool, but it did not help the game play.


The reason it shoots out and to the side is because your opponent hit attack the instant you were about to hit them. this causes their normal parry to turn into a deflection move which deflects your saber out and to the side. It's a very efficient move to pull in light stance, since their saber stays up long enough to get a light, and sometimes even a medium stance hit in.

Darksider
05-09-2002, 11:04 PM
Curse you whiners!

Originally posted by GileS__l7l

You hatahs are definitely the same n00bs I SABER SLAM™ every night over and over again - the same ones who say:

• "One move, that's all you know"
• "Lame"
• Darth Noobie disconnected.
• "You can't fight without the one-hit"
• "Know any other saber styles, loser?"

Well, that's when I switch to blue or yellow and shove my saber up their asses any way they like it.

Light stance? You got it.

Medium stance? Still PwNeD™

And you know what? I still own people in this patch, but it JUST AINT FUN ANYMORE. I don't want a saber fight that takes me all night, or a duel that I can't even tell when I hit someone. Face it, they ruined the game, and the only reason you queers like this patch is because you don't die in .00025 seconds like you used to.

http://www.members.optushome.com.au/ewa55/banhim.jpg

SpaceMonkey1315
05-09-2002, 11:09 PM
yeah, sure, bla bla bla, "i dont want a saber battle that will take all night, i dont want to think, bla bla bla", cant you see what they were trying to do? Raven knew that it was starwars, and seing as how only 3 jedi's in 4 movies have ever died because of a saber, youd think that they wouldve made it possible to BLOCK ONCE IN A WHILE...the old version, sabers were purly offensive...puting points into saber defence was pointless, because you never had to defend anyway. Either your someone who hates starwars, and bought this game to try to annoy other people, or you just dont care how realistic the game comes up as. jesus, watch the movies, see how saber combat should be, and try to play it like a jedi, not a jackass

Space Monkey §ß

:mob:

DannyJAllTheWay
05-09-2002, 11:14 PM
Damn them! I hate these people for giving us a free update to the game. Man! I hate it how they continuously are working for us so that we can have more fun in the game. You know what, I'm just going to play the game that they made for us without the patch that they worked hard at. What n00bs! seriously, they weren't able to please ALL of us. :mad:

(Oh, yeah. I was being sarcastic.)

Jedi Brave
05-09-2002, 11:35 PM
funny.. nearly 60% say no lol!:lol:

Aiee
05-09-2002, 11:37 PM
No, the funny thing is (even if it's rather obvious, since it has more than 50% of the votes) is that "no" alone has more votes than all the other options combined. ;P

UgonDieFoo
05-09-2002, 11:37 PM
I'm not really sure why people feel that the new saber system took the "skill" out of the multiplay. The general complaint I've been reading about the new saber system is that it’s now "newbie" friendly. It has been argued that the saber fights have been watered down so that the "unskilled" or less skilled have a higher chance of successfully defending against better players. But I ask all of you who agree with the preceding assertions to consider what I am about to say.

Despite what some people have been saying, I think that the new saber system is now more demanding on ones skill than ever before in two ways. First of all, since blocking has been increased it is now more difficult to penetrate an enemy’s defense. Would this not entail that it would require a greater amount of skill to bypass your opponent’s defenses and successfully strike them in the first place? Also, if blocking has been increased wouldn't it be less likely that some "newbie" would manage to score a lucky blow on you?

The second point that I wish to bring up is the reduced lethality of individual blows in the new saber system. Some people seem to believe that this change somehow gives the “newbies” some kind of advantage. I fail to see how it does. All players now enjoy the benefit of not being able to be killed by a single lucky blow anymore, whether or not they are “newbies.” Therefore, no particular group of people of a certain skill level gain any advantage or disadvantage from this change. Still, some people may think that the reduced lethality fundamentally protects the “newbies” because it allows them to withstand single blows that were so “skillfully” delivered that would’ve killed them in an earlier patch version. And so the claim is that one’s saber skill negated by the reduced lethality. However, this argument lacks good reasoning. Wouldn’t one’s skill be best reflected in their ability to consistently penetrate an opponent’s defense rather then their ability to simply land the first lethal blow? Does the former not sound like it is more demanding on overall skill than the latter?

Now I can understand how people may be upset by the fact that lightsaber does not do the proper damage that it should based on the movies and the Star Wars universe. But I think we can all see that this is so simply for the purpose of more enjoyable gameplay. And that is what the latest patch is all about. More enjoyable gameplay with longer lightsaber duels, just like the ones we know and love from the movies. Raven never intended for the lightsaber duels to be the quick and dirty 2-minute affairs that they were before the patch. That is why they changed the saber system. I think the new system does a much better job of mimicking “real” lightsaber fights. This is what people were asking for and now they have it for the most part. And if you don’t like the drawn out duels and the lack of instant kill moves (except the backstab) then maybe JK2 just isn’t for you. But it should be clear now that the new saber system did not remove the skill from duels in any way shape or form. If anything, the opposite is correct.

BradFu
05-10-2002, 01:41 AM
I think some people here are misunderstanding the definition of 'flame'. It doesn't mean preventing an opposing opinion (in this case, telling you that the patch does not suck). Flaming tends to be made up of nonsensical insults because some people can't stand it if someone disagrees with them. I haven't seen the "pro-patch" people tossing out childish insults like "I owned you before, and I own you now, even though the patch sucks!". If you people don't like the patch, then please, do us all a favor and quit the game and leave these forums so those of us who DO like the game still (which is the majority, of course) can get back to intelligent conversation.

BradFu!

dan-o2
05-10-2002, 01:53 AM
http://www.teamwarfare.net/viewteam.asp?team=%3D%7B%2B7%2B%7D%3D Good for a laugh. Btw giley, ns on the irc channel with no server, HUR HUR HUR. Oh, and you argue like a retarded 7 year old with an intraveneous supply of paxil.

drallvekk
05-10-2002, 02:26 AM
CONS:

they removed all the medium stance moves

the backstab is to powerfull

less damage, it takes to long to kill someone (boring)

very limited hit indication

the hit range seems a bit too extended in every stance (unrealistic)

allows saber throw (as an option) in no force duel



PROS:

no more death from above spam

nice force adjustments

fixed some minor interface issues on the multi screen select

the ingame chat pop up box is cool (although it is over used)


the patch was a step in the right direction but all they had to do to the saber system was take out the dfa spam

Tain
05-10-2002, 03:08 AM
patch whiners. Try learning something. The game was flawed, they fixed it.

:violin:

Way1ander
05-10-2002, 04:25 AM
The game is flawed now.. In the movies, if a jedi or sith was hit by a lightsaber, he was either killed or seriously wounded.. With the 1.03 patch on, a person can take up to 10 mediumstance hits before they die...

The damagesystem in 1.02 was fine, it very much reflected the spirit of Star Wars. The only flaw in it was the DFA-proximitybug.