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turner
05-13-2002, 09:14 PM
It won't stop me from buying the game, but...

As the subject says.

Look, the lightsaber is simply the most elegant, coolest weapon ever created for the big screen. Why water it down?

Danger, danger, danger. This is why it should only be used by skilled individuals.

One-hit kills might seem harsh, but look, that's how it's supposed to be.

Not just dismemberment but serious injury even if you're scraped with it.

In fact, I think if you whack someone who's swinging a lightsaber, and it flies out of their hand spinning and kills you, too bad. Of course, if you're a skilled jedi, you should be able to block it.

But back to the subject. Yes, for longer fights, it seems non-kill saber hits are inevitable.

It would be nice, however, to implement a very, very, very dangerous version of the lightsaber - the way it's supposed to be, though this may warrant a new saber fighting system, and probably a whole new dedicated game...

You know, Jedi Knight: Lightsaber. Something like that.

AnabolicProtein
05-13-2002, 09:20 PM
Mate I agree with you..
There should be a "Deadly Saber"-mode or something, which also includes some real cool ending animations when someone is hit by the saber and is getting cut in half or something. That would dramatically improve the game.
Again, I mean there should be an extra mode for this, not change the whole kickass lightsaber system that it is now.

BlackDove
05-13-2002, 09:23 PM
How about you just hurt your enemy till he gets to 5 hp, and then one move kill him eh?

Comp625
05-13-2002, 09:29 PM
Maybe this should replace the Non-exisiting Quad Damage mode in JK2? :)

obiwanbd
05-13-2002, 09:29 PM
Why doesn't the lightsaber every cut through someone when you kill them with realistice saber combat on.

It should cut off heads and have bodies not just cut off the arms.

BlackDove
05-13-2002, 09:32 PM
There is a patch for that you know...

AnabolicJedi
05-13-2002, 09:39 PM
Originally posted by =SSC=Kal-El
There is a patch for that you know...


Uhm... what?? Where?! And does it look realistic enough like in the movies, to be worth the download?

/AnabolicJedi :vadar:

Kralj
05-13-2002, 10:00 PM
It looks great when you cut people's heads, torsos, arms, legs and hands off.

It's called blablabla's mutilator or something. It's in the files section.

Bl4de
05-13-2002, 10:05 PM
Sigh...another one of these posts.


Who gives a bantha fodder if it kills in 1 hit in the movie, by your logic BLASTERS should kill in 1 hit too? Well guess what, people would just use the blue stance and saber throw to kill people, picture this in your mind and see how much fun it would be. NO fun, whatsoever. Duels would be useless, force would be useless, people would just throw and slash, hoping they kill before they get killed. Same goes for guns. Think before you post something please.

Aka
05-13-2002, 10:05 PM
I thought there was something like this already without a add-on.. dismemberment and realisticsabercombat set at 100

BlackDove
05-13-2002, 10:08 PM
Console does wonders heh

AnabolicJedi
05-13-2002, 10:09 PM
Originally posted by Aka
I thought there was something like this already without a add-on.. dismemberment and realisticsabercombat set at 100

Hmm, howto? Anybody know?

Kralj
05-13-2002, 10:09 PM
Yeah... but the "mod" or whatever anyone wants to call it is for people who are too lazy, lame, dumb whatever to put to type it in the console. I am a combination of the first 2 so I used the "mod".

:D

AnabolicJedi
05-13-2002, 10:23 PM
Cannot find this mod in the Mods nor Tools section in the file section at JKii.net :(

BlackDove
05-13-2002, 10:27 PM
its not a mod, its a command you type into the console.....

Kralj
05-13-2002, 10:28 PM
I found it here http://www.jedi-outcast.com/filebase_details.php?f_id=24

Don't kill me for linking to another site.

BlackDove
05-13-2002, 10:30 PM
Zasto bi te ubili sto linkujes na drugu stranicu?

Kralj
05-13-2002, 10:32 PM
And you said what, exactly?

BlackDove
05-13-2002, 10:35 PM
Sorry, given your name I thought that you were one of my country men (Kralj means king in my language).....I said "Why would you think that we would kill you if you posted another link?"

;)

Tree
05-13-2002, 10:39 PM
Originally posted by turner
It won't stop me from buying the game, but...

As the subject says.

Look, the lightsaber is simply the most elegant, coolest weapon ever created for the big screen. Why water it down?

Danger, danger, danger. This is why it should only be used by skilled individuals.

One-hit kills might seem harsh, but look, that's how it's supposed to be.

Not just dismemberment but serious injury even if you're scraped with it.

In fact, I think if you whack someone who's swinging a lightsaber, and it flies out of their hand spinning and kills you, too bad. Of course, if you're a skilled jedi, you should be able to block it.

But back to the subject. Yes, for longer fights, it seems non-kill saber hits are inevitable.

It would be nice, however, to implement a very, very, very dangerous version of the lightsaber - the way it's supposed to be, though this may warrant a new saber fighting system, and probably a whole new dedicated game...

You know, Jedi Knight: Lightsaber. Something like that.

I like that idea.

There is potential in this game for some simply awesome saber mods.

Sadly I haven't heard of any in development.

I hope episode 2 gives everyone SW fever and someo 0ne makes a kick ass mod.

Kralj
05-13-2002, 10:41 PM
Hahahaha, that's awesome! :P

Well... I just thought that it was unappropriate to post links to other sites which are on the same subject... kind of at least. You know like if I was drawing the crowd away from here or something like that :)

What is your language exactly? :)

turner
05-13-2002, 11:08 PM
Actually, thanks for reminding me.

Yes, a mod/option for 1-hit kills with weapons, too.

Why not? Just make it an option. Rogue Spear-like. Maybe you get hit in the arm... maybe the head.

Keep in mind that these ideas aren't necessarily intended for JKII, but merely bouncing off the sounding board with it in mind.

I've been playing the demo, and it's great - gonna buy the game tomorrow.

But there's no reason to think it isn't a valuable resource for future development for both mods/add-ons and other games.


Originally posted by Bl4de
Sigh...another one of these posts.


Who gives a bantha fodder if it kills in 1 hit in the movie, by your logic BLASTERS should kill in 1 hit too? Well guess what, people would just use the blue stance and saber throw to kill people, picture this in your mind and see how much fun it would be. NO fun, whatsoever. Duels would be useless, force would be useless, people would just throw and slash, hoping they kill before they get killed. Same goes for guns. Think before you post something please.

Deetox187
05-14-2002, 01:37 AM
Originally posted by =SSC=Kal-El
Zasto bi te ubili sto linkujes na drugu stranicu?

Is that Serbian?

Cow_JK:O
05-14-2002, 02:17 AM
Kal-El how did you manage to get such a massive stick up your ass? All you ever do on these forums is flame and whine...please at least post something that isnt sarcastic or rude for once.

On the original topic, I agree it would be darned cool. IMO the best would be to be able to control the block so you could hold a key to actively block but you couldnt swing your saber but you'd always stop moves in about a 90 deg. arc. Then make a saber style (dark dark purple or black) that will cut through any and all shields and automatically kills. Just my 2cents.

mrlove
05-14-2002, 04:55 AM
for MP dismemberment the admin needs to typ g_dismember 999
and clients cg_dismember 2 to see it... that patch is only for SP.lucky us quite a few servers have enabled this dismember already...

AnabolicJedi
05-14-2002, 12:56 PM
mrlove: Thanks alot! Now my duels are funnier :)

How do I make this dismemberment thing in SP, without applying that mod? I downloaded the mod and took a look at the CFG-file in the pk3 it has, but there seem to be LOTS of sh-t in there that changes lots on all models. Cant I just make arms and legs and whatever cut by changing the Dismemberment to "2" in SP? I took a look at the sp config in my \base folder, and the dismember thing is set to "3". How come? Besides, there are some more dismember options but I dont know what to change.
Thanks alot in advance!

/AnabolicJedi :vadar:

Vanor
05-14-2002, 01:37 PM
Here's how to do it in SP.

drop down the console, and

type in helpusobi 1
then type in g_saberrealisticcombat 1
then type in g_dismemberment 3

This will let you cut off arms, legs, hands, heads, or cut someone in two, just like what obi wan did to Maul in Ep1.

You don't need any mods or anything. The mod is for the german version of the game, because they had slightly different models, due to their goverment stance on voilance in video games.

AnabolicJedi
05-14-2002, 02:20 PM
Thanks man!

Will that realisticsabercombat thing make the game easier or what?? Because I dont want to kill all enemies in 1 stab because it says "realistic", I sense bad ;)
What u say about that? Is that just a variable for the dismember thing or will it make even easier to kill with the saber in SP??

Chastan
05-14-2002, 02:43 PM
I'm sure there will be something like an instagib mod...one hit kills. Other than the point of the game is to be fun... not "realistic"


(Edit - This is in response to the original post)

SpaceMonkey1315
05-14-2002, 02:48 PM
Originally posted by Bl4de
Sigh...another one of these posts.


Who gives a bantha fodder if it kills in 1 hit in the movie, by your logic BLASTERS should kill in 1 hit too? Well guess what, people would just use the blue stance and saber throw to kill people, picture this in your mind and see how much fun it would be. NO fun, whatsoever. Duels would be useless, force would be useless, people would just throw and slash, hoping they kill before they get killed. Same goes for guns. Think before you post something please.

well put, but if they had to make that realistic, and they had to make weapons realistic, can you imagine then other things they would have to put in the game...lightning would incapaticate the opponent, grip would kill them in 3 seconds, and there would have to be a 99 percent blocking percentage just so battles wouldnt kill in a grazing hit. and with the guns factor, everything would have to kill in one hit...having a different weapon would be useless, because as soon as you find one that shoots the fastest, you would stick with that...maybe saber damage should be increased a little, but it shouldnt be invincable

space monkey

Vanor
05-14-2002, 03:22 PM
Originally posted by AnabolicJedi
Thanks man!

Will that realisticsabercombat thing make the game easier or what??

Your welcome :)

Umm yes and no, to the easier question. This his how I understand it to work... I may be wrong.

Realistic saber combat means that if the person being hit doesn't have any shields, then the saber does a fair amount more damage, and will always chop off the part that was hit. For most things, this doesn't matter much, storm troopers drop with one hit normaly anyway.

Against other types of targets, it may or may not make a huge differance. But this is a global setting, so it applys to everyone with a light saber, so the reborn have "realistic sabers" as well.

The dismemberment, can be set between 1-100, 3 seems to work best, but I haven't played with it myself. 1 didn't seem to do much for me.

So what it does, is make saber fights shorter in SP, but it doesn't make the game that much easier.