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Shadow BladeX1X
05-17-2002, 10:52 PM
Do you guys find it annoying that when you turn off ur saber and then you try to duel someone they keep attacking you? isn't that like dishonerable *wink* looks at (Chaos Matter):o

KnightHawk420
05-18-2002, 01:00 AM
I have a server with rules to prevent such a thing, and when I'm on I enforce it.


It's a no attacking someone with they're saber down rule



KnightHawk's Saber Only FFA

206.169.69.25:28070

Kyth'emos
05-18-2002, 01:40 AM
I dont find it that annoying, now people who clutter these forums by whining do bug me.

DannyJAllTheWay
05-18-2002, 01:43 AM
It's dumb when they attack you when your lightsaber's not even drawn. Admittingly, there is a lot of whining, but I would more or less call it constructive criticism. ;)

Kyth'emos
05-18-2002, 04:34 AM
I would more or less call it unconstructive bitching cause they dont realise its just a game :mad:

Lord Sokar
05-18-2002, 04:56 AM
Kyth'emos,

STFU. Just because someone holds opinions different than yours doesn't mean that they don't have a right to post as they please NOR does it make it whining. In fact, you are the one whining.

That's it, the new forum buzzword, you don't think like me so you're 'whining'.

So, to reiterate... STFU.

Socabapu
05-21-2002, 08:35 AM
Let's all be friends or something...
Maybe not. Let it be said though, that "You are foolish to lower your weapon." The is no honor on the dark side. I say if your force profile is dark, kill em! If your force profile is light, respect your enemie's need for a rest. Goodness knows that trigger finger gets tired.

Luc Solar
05-21-2002, 09:22 AM
Yeah it's really cool when you're hiding in some dark corner with your saber off and the TYPING-sign on your head and some Jedi-KillAH-S!th-dewd plays "in character" and DFA's you. ..You know...'cause he is, like..eeevil and stuff. :rolleyes: :rolleyes:

*Jedi-KillAH-S!th-dewd sabered by Luc Solar*
*Jedi-KillAH-S!th-dewd sabered by Luc Solar*
*Jedi-KillAH-S!th-dewd sabered by Luc Solar*
*Jedi-KillAH-S!th-dewd sabered by Luc Solar*
*Jedi-KillAH-S!th-dewd sabered by Luc Solar*
*Jedi-KillAH-S!th-dewd sabered by Luc Solar*
*Jedi-KillAH-S!th-dewd sabered by Luc Solar*

Vestril
05-21-2002, 09:29 AM
I think it's annoying when I'm bidding at an auction on ebay, and some jerk spams lower bids all the time. He should get kicked. The rotten prick :mad:

Sutek
05-21-2002, 09:58 AM
If their saber isn't drawn and you have started started fighting, fair enough, since there is such a thing as courtesy (thought you wouldn't think so with some of the people out there :> ), but once combat has started if they turn off their saber it's either gonna be part of the feel of the fight, or because they caught the off key (like I do occasionally).

Once the fight has begun, if you turn off your saber, don't expect the other person to stop.

Simlarly, if they go into chat mode just as I'm about to hit with a killing blow, they had better expect to die. If they break off obviously, and then go into chat (and actually SAY something), then I stop and wait for them. And I give them no quarter if they prove treacherous.

Nathan Wind
05-21-2002, 02:01 PM
a black list for the retarded

Aegis
05-21-2002, 02:50 PM
Does anyone really practice a code of ethics and honour to which is similar to the Jedi code anymore? I logged on for the first time in a wek and a half (finally decided to give 1.03 another shot), and it seemed no one had courtesy, or even bowed anymore...

Nathan Wind
05-21-2002, 02:59 PM
people bow before they get their head cut off

Robbiesan
05-21-2002, 03:07 PM
lol

Aegis
05-21-2002, 03:08 PM
Originally posted by Nathan Wind
people bow before they get their head cut off So why is it I'm the one left standing?

happydan
05-21-2002, 03:17 PM
i think that the saber down rule is stupid. although, i consider the following.
1) any light jedi who attacks me without provocation is a rogue jedi, and therefore dark.
2) sith can do what the hell they like, because theya re the bad guys.
i play light, and adhere to the code of the jedi, most of the time.

Kiell_Randor
05-21-2002, 03:36 PM
It just depends where you play, Aegis. That's why I started my Order. We have around 20 people who all like to play 'with honor'. We bow before duels, monitor our playing and generally foster a fun role-playing atmosphere. It's all about the environment you choose to play in. For the most part, public servers just suck :)

Nathan Wind
05-21-2002, 03:38 PM
do you also play the game in full costume?

I know i do! I wont even touch the game uless i am in my full wookee battle atire.

Nathan Wind
05-21-2002, 03:40 PM
im all for a fun role playing atmosphere, but how often do you see jedis bowing in the movies if not to get cut down.

Hateplow
05-21-2002, 04:13 PM
THey never bow, they know the score. Bowing so some gay thing someone thought would be cool to do. They bow, I taunt.

Tain
05-21-2002, 04:21 PM
Heh, Kyth was whining about people whining. lol

Vestril
05-21-2002, 04:48 PM
Originally posted by Tain
Heh, Kyth was whining about people whining. lol

It's interesting isn't it? Forum irony is a great thing...unless its pointed at you :p

Aegis
05-21-2002, 04:49 PM
Originally posted by Kiell_Randor
It just depends where you play, Aegis. That's why I started my Order. We have around 20 people who all like to play 'with honor'. We bow before duels, monitor our playing and generally foster a fun role-playing atmosphere. It's all about the environment you choose to play in. For the most part, public servers just suck :) I've done something similar, I am what I like to call a 'Dueilist', I got the tag and everything. Basically, I follow the code, and have large amounts of honour when playing, regardless of my oppenants honour (if they attack while I'm bowing, I usually suspend all rules, and rape them). Anyway, where can I find the servers you play in? It would be a nice change to play with others with similar veiws of the game.

@Wind: You got something wrong with my Darth Maul get up? :D

Teir
05-21-2002, 05:08 PM
:violin: :elephant: LaLALaaaalLAa ooLalllaaalrrrr


Want honor, True Dark True Light, True Force wait for ----->
Star Wars Galaxies . That game will over come any SW games!!;)

GE Predator
05-21-2002, 05:14 PM
"bowing" in JO looks more like tryin to take a %#!7. I HATE when people bow then get all pissy if you don't. Like wtf? It just shines with lameness.

*watches as opponent walks towards me, squats and looks down*

"Hey buddy, you smell that too?"

"No. Go away, your annoying."

ItsNotMyFault
05-21-2002, 06:11 PM
Originally posted by Shadow BladeX1X
Do you guys find it annoying that when you turn off ur saber and then you try to duel someone they keep attacking you? isn't that like dishonerable *wink* looks at (Chaos Matter):o

I thinks it really lame when someone is getting their butt kicked they turn off their only capacity for both offense & defense. How many of you out there would have got up and left the movie theatre if Qui Gon Gin said "All right.....OK......Time Out....King's X over here, gott go health up.......be right back there red 'n black dude"

sarcasm meter:

<<E-----------------I---F>>

HappyPrancer
05-21-2002, 06:19 PM
correct me if I'm wrong, but didn't obi wan in episode 4 deactivate his saber while fighting Vader, as if to say "I'm ready to die?"

I think that's the message people are trying to convey when they deactivate their lightsaber: "I'm ready to die"

They actually want you to kill them, so I don't see what the problem is.

Also, if you edit the 'typing' icon to one that says "please kill me" It is rare that you ever have to feel guilty about killing anyone.

-HP

Nathan Wind
05-21-2002, 06:28 PM
I think Happy Prancer is a genius

flippo
05-21-2002, 06:29 PM
If you see someone turn off their saber they are either: 1. planning to "sucker punch" you, or 2. planning to run away and find health, so you they can come back and backstab you.

ShockV1.89
05-21-2002, 06:30 PM
You could look at it that way, Prancer. Or you could se it as people saying "You and me, one on one. Get ready to duel." Annnd, of course, if you jump them and kill them while they're hitting the duel key, you can feel satisfied with knowing that you killed them in a way that required no skill whatsoever. Congrats.

Likewise with typekilling. If somebody is in the middle of a firefight and stops and starts typing: He's an ass, I'll hold him down, you sabre. However, if he's off in the corner or under some stairs, WITH sabre off, typing... just leave him alone for a minute. Again, it takes no skill to kill someone whos hands arent even on the controls. The blue symbol is there for a reason...

How about I steal your keyboard and mouse, and then I kill you and call myself an l33t k1nd4 d00d. l r0x0rs!

ShockV1.89

HappyPrancer
05-21-2002, 08:08 PM
First of all, I'm not overly concerned with showing that I am "skilled" or "l337" or anything like that. I just like to kill people as quickly as possible, what I call speed killing. This is what matters in a FFA game as far as scoring goes.

I've been told that this is a sign of insecurity, but I wholly disagree. I'm not ashamed to lose, but I do like to be a bit competitive when I play. I enjoy the game more that way. You play how you like, I'll play how I like, let's not criticize eachother.

I score higher than a lot of players who are obviously better than me one on one. I owe this to playing smarter than them. Instead of running around dueling with a saber I get a rocket launcer. If I know I can't win a fight with someone, of course I'll run away. I'd be an idiot not to. Of course, I get criticized (and kicked out of servers a lot) for what I think of as "playing smarter." But hell, I'll never be as "skilled" as some other players, but at least I got a head on my shoulders that will let me win a match once in a while.

Also, If something is important enough to type in the middle of a game (I've never actually seen anything I would consider important being communicated in a game server) then expect to die. In my quest for speed kills, I see someone with a bubble over their head as one quick kill on my way to the next. I think its fun the same way many of you think saber fighting is fun, and I don't vote-kick you for saber fighting do I? God Damned Saber-Spammers.

Anyhoo, if there's a button on my keyboard I can push that will make someone die, I will push that button. I'm not going to investigate all the various signs and signals that the players polygonal representation may be giving out that would suggest he's going to have a hissy fit after his death. It's like trying to figure out women.

-HP

P.S. I am having trouble figuring out what the hell this means:


How about I steal your keyboard and mouse, and then I kill you and call myself an l33t k1nd4 d00d. l r0x0rs!


I'm not stealing keyboards, mice or anything else for that matter. Nor am I calling myself "an l33t k1nd4 d00d. l r0x0rs!" I'm just having fun with a game I paid a great deal of money for and would appreciate not getting banned from servers!

Nathan Wind
05-22-2002, 01:35 AM
wow, someone else actually appreciates speed killing and "smart play"

...im not so sure im down with the running away though

ShockV1.89
05-22-2002, 05:44 AM
But HP, wouldnt you like to see your name at the top of the scoreboard and know that you got there by skill? And not by killing people whose hands arent even on the controls? That person might be typing "gf" to someone, or perhaps assisting a newbie in a certain technique. I'm sorry, but being at the top of the scoreboard and having more kils than someone else doesnt mean crap when you got there with a relativley cheap technique. (and the rocket launcher thing: I'm down with that. Guns are there for a reason, use em.)

P.S. I am having trouble figuring out what the hell this means:

What I mean is when you typekill someone, they may as well not have any mouse/keyboard or any controls at all. Their hands are nowhere near them. It's like drag racing someone when the other person is trying to reattach their steering wheel. Sure, its a win, but its just sorta stupid...

Look at it this way, if you will. You and three friends are playing ball at the local basketball court. One of your friends says "Hold on a second" and kneels down to tie his shoe. You grab the ball, drive past your kneeling friend (who doesnt even see you go by) and slam the ball. Its really the same thing in a game.

Running away is fine too. If you cant win a fight, then by all means, take off. "He who fights and runs away..." If your opponent chases, all the better. Drop mines for him. :p

If people ban you from servers for typekilling... well, its their server. I wouldnt do it if I was admin, but I might ask you nicely to not do it.

Communication between players is one of the things I enjoy most about multiplayer. Its what seperates them from bots (aside from more unique play and spamming :rolleyes: ). Being able to yuck it up with someone about our last duel is fun for me, and when someone takes advantage of that for a quick, cheap kill, that annoys me.

But hey, different strokes...

ShockV1.89

Nathan Wind
05-22-2002, 05:13 PM
if you are at the top of the score board consistantly, you sure as hell arent there because you just kill a bunch of people who are afk

ShockV1.89
05-22-2002, 05:17 PM
That really doesnt matter. (although it could, if its a difference of 2 or 3 kills)

ShockV1.89

Nathan Wind
05-22-2002, 05:44 PM
no you cannot. you cannot CONSISTANTLY be at the top of the score board killing people afk.

if it is the difference between 2 to 3 kills, then it killing people afk is a skill and a valuable tool. its a free point and whoever can take those opportunities most effectively wins. but really, how many times do you ever get a chance to kill someone afk? maybe 2 or 3 times at most in a 20 minute match. less if its based off of kills.

the fact of the matter is, there are not alot of games where people just stand around afk for long periods of time. they are usually afk for a minute or two, and if they had sense, they type afk. with the new patch, (with the one of two things they did right, the other being eax support) you get that cute little box over your head for config. AND if they had sense, they would go to an out of the way location to do what they needed, away from the fray.

If killing afk'ers is the difference between 2 or 3 points to win, then it becomes a skill.

People consistantly at the top dont cannot rely on afk kills to put them there.

Soruss
05-22-2002, 06:05 PM
Btw this isn't directed at anyone, so when I say 'you' I mean anyone. Don't take this personally.

If your stupid enough to stop and talk to someone in the middle of a battle, you deserve to be killed. Save your talking for when you're dead and you have time to give a few words.

Free For All is just that, free for all. Free killing, no rules. You get killed, then don't make the same mistake twice.

If you challenge someone and they attack you. Don't be a knob and stand there and take it, if your as good as you think you are you should be able to kill someone who attacks you without warning.

As far as duels and bowing goes... I think its stupid. People are waiting to play while the duelers dick around and role play courteous honorable jedis. Your display of honor should come after the fight congradulating the victor and accepting defeat without being a bitch.

Please leave the role playing to when you are in a private game with friends.

My friend and I acted out the final battle in episode 1 (sans obi wan) in the new duel of fates level. I wouldn't try that on a normal server, so I don't think its a good idea to roleplay on any normal server and get upset about it.

Aoshi
05-22-2002, 06:10 PM
i have a solution to this little problem. when someone goes afk just drop mines/det packs all over the place and when they become un-afk they will kill themselves and you will still get the point:D this way you wont have to feel guilty about killing someone who is afk because
1) when they blow themselves up they wont be afk anymore
2)they will have done it to themselves

also this is damn funny. if you see that picture of the flag on jkii.net i did that to someone who was afk before. when he came back he err ... met an untimely and very very violent end. i almost peed myself it was soooo funny :D

ShockV1.89
05-22-2002, 06:42 PM
If killing afk'ers is the difference between 2 or 3 points to win, then it becomes a skill.

Thats the stupidest thing I've ever heard. In no way whatsoever is killing somebody who isnt even at the keyboard, or who is typing something and doesnt have their eyes on the screen, a skill. A skill is defined as :Proficiency, facility, or dexterity that is acquired or developed through training or experience. Type killing is none of those things.

AND if they had sense, they would go to an out of the way location to do what they needed, away from the fray.

You know, I tried this once. I passed by a sabre gangbang with about 4 people in it. I walked waaaay off to the side, and slightly into another room. I then hit the chat key but didnt type, just waited to see what happened. And no less than three of the four people broke off from the sabre fight to come after me, all of them spinning around backwards for their l33t backslashes for the quick kill. I was stunned. Of course, imagine their surprise when I came to life and cut down two of them, but whatever...

My point is, people that are typekilled often ARE hiding, off to the side, well away from the action. People seek them out. They'll ignore an opponent who is on the ground and disarmed for one who is typing. (well, some of them). Thats just not cool.

No, it shouldnt be a rule of "No typekilling or your banned!" But respect for your common man (or woman) and a sense of fair play and fair competition should keep you from doing things like that.

But then again, this is online, so you dont have to meet the victim face to face. So of course, all gloves are off.

And I never said that one could be at the top of the scoreboard by only killing typers.

ShockV1.89

technobot
05-22-2002, 06:51 PM
wow this subjective BS about "winning by skill" is just hilarious...

I've met every kind of whiner in my online travels... I read in another thread that put it best: the only way you can win without people complaining is to have them fall off ledges, that way:

there's no force involved,
no guns,
no saber throwing,
no afk killing,
no saber-off killing...

to be honest, I could care less if I win a board and every single idiot on that board says, "You're a no-good ass-fighting pull-backsweep-spamming lamer." I know I won, if a bunch of strangers I've never met/will never meet in my life think it lame, too bad for them, I think a lot of you should feel the same way... why are you so obsessed with impressing some anonymous geeks online? because you look cool while fighting? finding the woman of your dreams is cool. graduating from university is cool. getting a high paying job is cool. having good friends who can rely on you is cool. being praised by people you don't know for your "stylish saber fighting" in a videogame that is based on a piece of fiction may be cool in your own mind, but won't get you far in life, sorry. (unless you're a professional, which truth be told, most of us AREN'T, and aren't even close)

Nathan Wind
05-22-2002, 07:14 PM
in a game that scores off of kills and nothing else, whoever gets the most kills has the most skills. bottom line.

In this game, you are either a cannon or cannon fodder; hunter or prey. The only difference between killing a hunter and killing prey, is in bragging/flamming/humiliation rights.

3 undisputable facts

afk kills are available to everyone
people who have health can be killed
people afk are relatively rare in the grand scheme of things

ShockV1.89
05-22-2002, 08:26 PM
in a game that scores off of kills and nothing else, whoever gets the most kills has the most skills. bottom line.

Well, following that line of logic, people should just DL hacks and aimbots and get the highest score possible. Thats the bottom line, after all. Who cares how they got there?

I also take it you had no problem with the DFA bug? (read, BUG) I mean, being killed by a sabre 6 inches underground is ok, since all that matters is kills, right? Right?

afk kills are available to everyone
people who have health can be killed
people afk are relatively rare in the grand scheme of things I'm not entirely sure what you're trying to say here... game hacks are availible to everyone. So are AK-47s and nuclear weapons. That doesnt make them right, does it? (well, ok, nukes are allright... ;) )

ShockV1.89

Nathan Wind
05-22-2002, 10:32 PM
it is not my logic that is the problem, friend.

re-read and re-think what you wrote.

if you need help understanding me, ill be happy to post descriptive and illustrative analogies

ShockV1.89
05-23-2002, 06:29 AM
/me rereads his post three or four times.

Erm, I still feel the same way. The bottom line is never, EVER that simple. Nothing ever is.

ShockV1.89

Nathan Wind
05-23-2002, 08:05 PM
but it is that simple. truth be told, the only thing that is hurt is variety.

I'm not entirely sure what you're trying to say here... game hacks are availible to everyone. So are AK-47s and nuclear weapons. That doesnt make them right, does it? (well, ok, nukes are allright... )

You are trying to make a moral argument. In a game, morality is based exclusively on winning. Wheither winning has to do with aim, strategy or point allocation, winning is still winning, and to consistantly win takes skill.

I only play on pure servers.

However, you made a point about hacking programs and how they were available to everyone.

If hacking the game is the factor in winning, then hacking becomes a skill and whoever can hack the game the best wins.

Conversely, shutting out hackers also becomes a skill.

Hell, if being blind ass lucky is the determining factor in winning, than being blind ass lucky becomes the DETERMINING SKILL.

AFK kills were never the factor in winning, and when they became one, then yes, afk kills require skill, as in who can get the most the most efficiently.

ShockV1.89
05-24-2002, 02:05 AM
If hacking the game is the factor in winning, then hacking becomes a skill and whoever can hack the game the best wins.

......



Riiiiight....

ShockV1.89

Count Beefstew
05-24-2002, 07:27 AM
I agree with Nathan mostly. I myself do not kill someone typing a message. I myself type sometime to communicate with others in a game. But I know that it is my responsibility 100% to protect myself. Because nobody else has the resposibility to protect myself in a FFA game. So if someone comes near me w/ intent to kill, I hurry up with the typing and continue my play. I don't blame the guy for trying to kill me. It's a game of war folks. It's unwise to let your defenses down. Who once said that BTW?

Luc Solar
05-24-2002, 08:08 AM
This is amazing..

Nathan Wind, I completely disagree with everything you have ever written on these boards. Every post, every sentence, every word. Amazing. I sure hope we never meet in real life. LoL!

Btw - here's one word for you, look it up sometime: ...FUN.

Yeah; "FUN". As in "having a good time" or "enjoying a GAME".

:rolleyes:

defalc
05-24-2002, 08:23 AM
Erm, I gotta agree. What's the point of 'being the best' if it's no fun? Jeez, we buy games for entertainment.

Another lamer for the list: someone called ST-Bob. He DFA's repeatedly, and if he can't hit you with it, he'll pull a janitor pull-backslash combo. When I complained he said 'learn to avoid it', which I could; I beat him about 3 times earlier when it was only me against him. But he ran into corridors of people, and then used DFA, and then backslashed everyone else, all of whom were stuck in the corridor. :rolleyes:

Luc Solar
05-24-2002, 08:31 AM
Originally posted by defalc
Erm, I gotta agree. What's the point of 'being the best' if it's no fun? Jeez, we buy games for entertainment.


Yeah...but still we got these "Nathans" on every server and thread who just DOESN'T GET IT.

FUN. FUN. FUN. FUN.

And if your "fun" means that no-one else in the game has fun (cheating and such lame crap) then you are an Ass.

It's very simple, really...that is all there is to it.

*Darth Vega*
05-24-2002, 11:19 AM
I used to not kill people who had their saber down or were talking. But times have changed.
I was in a saberfight with another guy and I was winning. He lowered his saber and the chat bubble went up. I waited and he said nothing. Chat bubble went away and he drained me and eventually won the fight. The worst part is that he beat me because I was a sucker.
The next time we fought it started out the same way, the chat bubble went up...but this time I cut the SOB's head off. He protested and I told him why I did it. He denied the earlier encounter but I knew.
My new moto that I live by is "You are unwise to lower your defenses"
Look at my name, it even says Darth. I am evil. I don't care anymore if your saber is up or down, chat bubble up or not. If I see you I am going to try to take you down by any means necessary. If you don't like it too bad. Vote kick me off server? Works both ways, I can vote kick you too. Of course I've never been kicked before...

Bottom line is if you are gonna chat go into specator mode or IRC or somewhere that I can't find you. Because if I do then you're going down.

UniKorn
05-24-2002, 12:20 PM
When playing ffa or ctf online, there is only 1 motto : Kill 'em all.

On duel I fight with honor, and always NF.

defalc
05-24-2002, 12:32 PM
Originally posted by Luc Solar
...if your "fun" means that no-one else in the game has fun (cheating and such lame crap) then you are an Ass.
DAMN STRAIGHT! I couldn't have put it any better. I mean, sure, if you like running around backwards, looking like an ass and gaining the disrespect of the entire community, there's something seriously wrong with you. If you get so much of a kick out of it, try doing that in real life. ;P

*Darth Vega*
05-24-2002, 01:03 PM
It also takes away from other peoples fun when they have to continually try to appease all the whiney bitches who go "YOU N-----! I WAS RECHARGI...I MEAN...TALKING! YUO FAGOT I HATE YOU I WANT YOU TO DIE!"
So I just ignore them and kill everyone. Enough is enough. If it's somebody I know then maybe I won't kill them. But otherwise they go down.
I find it more fun to completly make these *******s pop with their anger than to allow myself to become aggravated.:D

defalc
05-24-2002, 01:20 PM
Originally posted by *Darth Vega*
It also takes away from other peoples fun when they have to continually try to appease all the whiney bitches who go "YOU N-----! I WAS RECHARGI...I MEAN...TALKING! YUO FAGOT I HATE YOU I WANT YOU TO DIE!"
So I just ignore them and kill everyone. Enough is enough. If it's somebody I know then maybe I won't kill them. But otherwise they go down.
I find it more fun to completly make these *******s pop with their anger than to allow myself to become aggravated.:D
Heh, sorta true...when one dude kept spamming backstab I just sat in a corner when he came and hit him when he was open...repeatedly...he left me alone after that. ;)

ShockV1.89
05-24-2002, 02:25 PM
I dunno, there are certain situations in which type killing is ok. That situation with the duel is one of them, Darth. I'd be pissed too. But I wouldnt extend that anger to everyone. After all, the majority of players out there dont pull nasty tricks like that.

Yeah, if somoene pulled that on me, it'd be DFA, pull/sweep, typekilling bonanza on his ass. PO him to no end.

One situation I know I would kill a typing opponent is if he was in the middle of a big sabre/gun gangbang. I'd be sayin "Dude, your an ass..." and cut him down just cuz he's in my way. But if I come around a corner and theres a guy hiding in the corner, sabre off, obviously trying to keep out of the way, with a chat bubble over his head: I'll leave him alone. I'll probably meet him later anyway, kill him then... ;)

ShockV1.89

kosamae
05-24-2002, 04:04 PM
Seriously, I don't think this is that difficult of a subject.
There are weapons in a game to use, if you are killed by some metod which was put into the game to be used to kill people then I don't think you can complain (I'm refering to complaining about saber-throwing and guns mostly). However, if you, for some reason must take yourself out of the action for a few seconds or minutes, and it is obvious that the you have made an effort to remove yourslef from the action, I don't think that anyone has a right to kill you. Typekilling, afk killing, whatever, its just plain old ****ty playing. If you do it to me, whatever, but I know and you know that it was a kill that really means absolutely nothing regarding your skill, you might as well use cheat codes if you're looking for free kills like that. On the other hand, if you are sitting there, out of commission for a while, don't expect to be alive when you're ready to play again, and don't complain about it, because it is part of the game. In my experience, most really good players won't bother with a kill like that, so if you see that someone did that, go kick his ass.

I'm out.

Repeater
05-24-2002, 04:12 PM
In a game, morality is based exclusively on winning. Wheither winning has to do with aim, strategy or point allocation, winning is still winning, and to consistantly win takes skill.
LOL
Nathan,

Game or not, morality has NOTHING to do with winning. It has everything to do with your conduct, your actions, and your ideology. It's not weither you win or lose, it's about HOW you play the game.

mo·ral·i·ty (m-rl-t, mô-)
n. pl. mo·ral·i·ties

1. The quality of being in accord with standards of right or good conduct.
2. A system of ideas of right and wrong conduct: religious morality; Christian morality.
3. Virtuous conduct.
4. A rule or lesson in moral conduct.

HandsomeDan
05-24-2002, 05:17 PM
I guess it all comes down to whether or not people want to be moral in a game. Do I? Yes. Am I dumb? Apparently to the people who "speed kill", but not really. Some people want to just win in life by any means. Some people don't want to win life by any means but feel it is fair in video games. Some people want to be moral in life and video games. No big deal. It pisses people off, but only because "it's their way or the high way"(bing called a lame whiner noob). I get mad when people start attacking me while I'm readjusting my force powers, but then I get out of the menu and push 'em off a ledge. If the game isn't limiting in the way it is played, than it will be played in all ways that are possible. Some people play "honorable" some people play to win. This is true in game and out, and if you can't accept it your in for a big surprise in real life.

Obi-Doo
05-24-2002, 10:48 PM
Is there really anyone who think it is very fun to chop down people with no defense on, people who, for the moment, cannot defend themselves? You know, there is a word for those kind of people: Suckers

defalc
05-25-2002, 07:50 AM
Originally posted by HandsomeDan
I guess it all comes down to whether or not people want to be moral in a game. Do I? Yes. Am I dumb? Apparently to the people who "speed kill", but not really. Some people want to just win in life by any means. Some people don't want to win life by any means but feel it is fair in video games. Some people want to be moral in life and video games. No big deal. It pisses people off, but only because "it's their way or the high way"(bing called a lame whiner noob). I get mad when people start attacking me while I'm readjusting my force powers, but then I get out of the menu and push 'em off a ledge. If the game isn't limiting in the way it is played, than it will be played in all ways that are possible. Some people play "honorable" some people play to win. This is true in game and out, and if you can't accept it your in for a big surprise in real life.
We can accept it in real life. But we play games to escape from the world every once in a while. Which makes it really crappy when people are more whorish in a game than they are personally. Some people might want to win quick in games, but if it isn't fun then its pointless. And as stated earlier in this thread, if that's your idea of fun then you're a jackass. ;P

Nathan Wind
05-27-2002, 05:30 AM
1. your definition of morality applies to what i said. this game gives you a pat on the back and a gold star for kills, ie killing is a virtue.
2. afk killing is stupid for one reason. if you are going to be afk, then you shouldnt be in the game. there is a spectate mode. you dont have a character that stays in the game, dying over and over again when you are at job or school. if you are afk, thats trust in everyone else, and you dont have any room to complain.
3. if a game scored points off bowing and loving one another, i wouldnt buy it or play it.
4. If playing honorable is in no way synonomous with winning, then you are playing a dirty game.
5. You can make your own server with your own rules.
6. You dont have to play with people who are bastards. This is always true.
7. you can vote people out or leave at any time.
8. If playing does not involve winning and loosing, then it is not a game.
9. If bastardrey equates to winning (and that is a sad thing), then superior bastardrey is the goal.
10. If 9 is true (which i dont think is the case with jk2), and you dont want to play a game with bastards, then whatever your playing is not a game.

Exar Kun II
05-27-2002, 05:53 AM
Whether you are a light or dark Jedi, the saber code demands that you give your opponent courtesy when his saber is lowered. Dark Lords do have a code of honor, just different from the Jedi. I personally have never had this problem, but just my $0.02.

Nathan Wind
05-27-2002, 05:57 AM
saber code is bs

Spider AL
05-27-2002, 08:15 PM
We can accept it in real life. But we play games to escape from the world every once in a while.

Listen friend, if you play games to "escape from the world" then... you're probably not alone, but if I were you I'd get out more. I play games for the CONTEST. It's an ARENA, in which the rules are fixed.

Someone said earlier in this thread that 'if you're just in it for the score, you may as well hack the game,' as if that were the same thing. Hacking the game is breaking the rules and therefore it makes the playing field uneven. The whole point of a game is to hone and demonstrate your skills by winning, but in a level playing field.

This is a game, a contest, a piece of exciting diversion. It's SO up to people if they want to pretend to be real Jedi, bow (squat constipatedly) before duels, rant about how the sabre is "teH onlaAY ohnorable WEAAOPN!!!1" or whatever. But the fact remains the game is a game, a contest and a playing field on which one pits one's skills against other human opponents. It's a game of skill, it's about skill, and winning the game.

1.03 has ruined the game for serious competitors, and whether they know it or not, it's taken a lot away from everyone who plays the game.

1.03 has introduced many cheap moves. For example the pull/backswing combo is a one-hit-kill, when it wasn't before the patch, because it now hits several times in a single strike causing maximum damage, whereas pre-patch the first hit moved the opponent a short distance away from the backswinger, meaning further damage was impossible unless the opponent was prone and/or backed right into a corner.

The force powers are now imbalanced, lightsiders like myself reign supreme while darksiders may as well be flicking navel lint at us.

To quote one of my old friends: "It's all gone pear-shaped."

ShockV1.89
05-28-2002, 05:28 AM
I was the one that referred to hacking the game. I was referring to Nathans line of thought. Under his idea of fair play, it was ok to hack the game and use that to gain kills, as the only thing that mattered was the bottom line, which is number of kills gained.

My statement... I'm not entirely sure what you're trying to say here... game hacks are availible to everyone. So are AK-47s and nuclear weapons. That doesnt make them right, does it? (well, ok, nukes are allright... )

His response... :rolleyes: If hacking the game is the factor in winning, then hacking becomes a skill and whoever can hack the game the best wins.

:rolleyes:

And Kun, I try to follow the sabre code, but only when my opponent does. I'll do the bowing thing if they do, but I know there are douche bags out there who will exploit other players beliefs.

Nobody HAS to use the sabre code, do it if you want to. But dont scream when someone else doesnt, its purely a personal preference.

Always bow with your sabre up. ;)


It's a game of skill, it's about skill, and winning the game.
Totally agree. But notice there the word skill. Is killing someone with their sabre down and a big blue bubble over their head skill? I mean, did you have to practice that? Did you spend time perfecting that technique? Yeah, sure, about as much as the l33t backstab. ;) Anybody who thinks that type kills are skillful is fooling themselves. (and I'm not accusing you, Spider.)

ShockV1.89

Cuz420
05-28-2002, 07:02 AM
:confused: ........um...... how do u bow, btw¿¿¿.........and how do u taunt??......i really dont know yet........only had the game a few days.... thanx in advance 4 tha help.....not 4 the flames....
hehe.....my 2nd post Woohoo!!

Nathan Wind
05-28-2002, 09:32 AM
even with all your quotes, my point stands.

by including hacks ak's and whatever, into the game, you are changing the rules. You are creating a new rule set. under that rule set, a set which includs hacking, then hacking becomes a skill.

but in reality, the game does not include hacking. hacking is most certinly not available to everyone. the fact the you would liken it to afk killing, which IS in the game, is redicilous.


seriously, think about it in terms of ffa and not duel. you are competing for first with someone. you are tied. he kills afk player and you dont. that becomes the determining factor and he WINS. the fact that those same kills were available to you make all the difference. those kills, and the win, could have been yours. but he had the skill to take them.

is this so hard to understand?

and in no way did my line of reasoning imply that i was for the hacking of games.

but if playing dirty is what it takes to win, whoever can get dirtiest wins. getting dirty is then a skill.

anyone who cannot see this is living in a fantasy land

Spider AL
05-28-2002, 01:39 PM
but in reality, the game does not include hacking. hacking is most certinly not available to everyone. the fact the you would liken it to afk killing, which IS in the game, is redicilous.

Nathan is absolutely right Shock. Any attempt to liken hacking to ANYTHING people think is cheap within the game is laughable, hacking is not within the ruleset and therefore is not legitimate. Anything WITHIN the ruleset is legitimate. It's definitely the tendency of many sabres-only-squat-before-a-duel types to liken DFA, backswing (or whatever else) to hacking, but the two are so far apart... It's really just them whining.

ShockV1.89
05-28-2002, 02:16 PM
but he had the skill to take them.

WHAT? He had the skill to kill that AFK player? I dont think you see MY point. Killing the afk player DID NOT TAKE SKILL. In no way whatsoever was that skill.

Look at it this way: When you look at the final scoreboard, and you're just one or two kills over the 2nd place, placing you in first, you think back in the fight. Hey, you typekilled someone twice. Now can you look at that scoreboard with the same degree of satisfaction as if you had made those two kills with skill?

If so, well, I wish I could see the world in black and white like you do. But its not that easy.

And I know that afks dont always result in that sort of situation, but even then, its just a stupid way to kill someone.

And I never said I supported the whole bowing thing. I do it if the opponent does, but am always careful of them to jump me. I do get annoyed if you both turn your sabres off, you challenge, and he jumps you.

And the hacking thing was in response to Nathans idea of "If it gets kills, nothing else matters."

ShockV1.89

Nathan Wind
05-28-2002, 02:43 PM
ugh, your thinking is set to duelist.

and my attitude wasnt "If it gets kills, nothing else matters."

it was, kills=skills

Vestril
05-28-2002, 04:32 PM
kills=skills?... not always. Is a type-killing a skill?


but if playing dirty is what it takes to win, whoever can get dirtiest wins. getting dirty is then a skill.

anyone who cannot see this is living in a fantasy land


Maybe it's a skill some of us don't need. :)

HappyPrancer
05-28-2002, 07:29 PM
perhaps its not so much skills, but smarts. While it is not smart to run around with light stance waving a saber around in a guns server, it does take a lot of skill to kill someone. While it does not take much skill to kill someone who is AFK, it is rather smart.

-HP

Nathan Wind
05-28-2002, 09:11 PM
smarts=skills.

vestril, i argued that it was

Spider AL
05-28-2002, 09:45 PM
Speaking as someone who never kills people who are typing (unless, as MANY people do, they fight me, get their health down to 10 points, run away towards the health packs and start typing as a shield) I can honestly say that typing long sentences in the middle of free for alls is STUPID. It's asking for death. When I type something in a free for all, I am PREPARED to die, because I'm INVITING it. If some dishonourable person kills me while I'm typing, I do NOT blame them, because I ELECTED to type. If someone kills me while I'm typing, it's MY fault, not theirs.

I don't kill people who are typing because it's cheap. Likewise I try to vary my sabre strikes from the perrennially useful backswing, and I try to use a wide range of weapons instead of just one...

But I do NOT expect, nor do I ask, nor do I attempt to force people to use MY personal code of honour. This is a game, and the wonderful thing about it (more so pre-patch) is the variety of styles of play.

Frankly, the people who kill other people while they're standing in a corner typing tend to have less skill than those who know they can win without resorting to such measures. But that's not always the case. Type-killing may be cheap, but it, and move-spamming are NOT hacking, they are not "evil"or satanic or all the other things some people call them. Believe it or not, there will ALWAYS be type-killers and move-spammers.

The problem with this version of JO is that move spamming in the form of pull/backswing combo, is the quickest, easiest and therefore the best way to win. DFA spamming was never that powerful. Imbalance imbalance imbalance.

Elegy
05-29-2002, 01:32 AM
I say screw all the opinions here, both sides. Honor shouldn't matter, nor should efficiency with "kill as much as you can, whenever you can, however you can and honor be damned!" What should matter is the server you connect to, and the rules they enforce. There are all sorts of servers for each type of player out there. And what should matter in a MP game is the rules that the server upholds. If a server doesn't specify that you shouldn't attack a man with sabers down or an afk sign above his head, then expect to get your ass reamed regardless of whether you're prepared or not. But if the server states that you gotta follow sabers down, etc., then you better ****ing follow that crap. There's a game out there for all of us, folks. Some servers are for the agressive, and some servers are for the refined. There would be alot less complaints if we all just stuck to the servers that supported the style of gameplay that we all like to enjoy.

Nathan Wind
05-29-2002, 03:48 PM
the funny part is, i dont even kill afk. i thought i made that clear earlier. truth be told, there arent that many opportunities to kill people afk. and when i die afk (about once or twice a round) i dont even care. my point was that afk kills, perhaps the cheapest of the cheap, are really only unfair in people's mind.