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striderx2048
05-18-2002, 04:59 AM
Vader can not be revealed to be Anakin Skywalker
Amidala is pregent with twins atleast
Obiwan supposely fights Anakin* only if Anakin isnt revealed to be Vader.

Actually if Obiwan and Anakin fight, then in Ep4 Obiwan cant say that Vader killed Anakin
Any others?

DeTRiTiC-iQ
05-18-2002, 12:18 PM
Yes, you watch the films in the intended order.

4,5,6,1,2,3.

Darth Odisse
05-18-2002, 12:46 PM
Originally posted by striderx2048

Actually if Obiwan and Anakin fight, then in Ep4 Obiwan cant say that Vader killed Anakin
Any others?

You need to pay more attention to the conversation Obi-Wan and Luke had in ROTJ.

Reverse
05-18-2002, 12:53 PM
in the prequels, we will see nothign but foreshadowing

EPI "We will be watching your career with great interest" Says palpatine to Anakin

EPII "Why do i get the feeling you will be the death of me?" Says obi-wan to anakin

ITS RIGHT INFRONT OF YOU PEOPLE!!

SDF h36hYp3r21
05-18-2002, 07:24 PM
Originally posted by Reverse
in the prequels, we will see nothign but foreshadowing

EPI "We will be watching your career with great interest" Says palpatine to Anakin

EPII "Why do i get the feeling you will be the death of me?" Says obi-wan to anakin

ITS RIGHT INFRONT OF YOU PEOPLE!!

Right on! it seems the whole theater i was in noticed the quote in the bar, it was quite ammusing to hear that knowing that its soooe true!

RiverWalker
05-18-2002, 07:55 PM
I think someone flunked kindergarden...

honestly though my dad and I had a discussion about ANH and some of the "errors" they tried to repair in ESB and RotJ, like the whole "vader killed your father" thing,

personally I think that it would have had more problems if they didn't show it as a "in a manner of speaking" way of saying things,

The Saga, is anakin's life story, when all of the episodes, 1-6 are there, theoretically, you should be able to watch them IN THAT ORDER and it still work,

several places, like obi-wan seemingly forgetting that leia was around, can be worked in without a big problem, maybe he just didn't consider leia as a potential jedi, but there are not any female human potential jedi anywhere through episode six that I've ever heard of...

OF COURSE anakin will turn into vader in episode three, thats like the whole point, only a few friendly people who were ever around anakin before he fell are around in ANH Obi-Wan, Yoda, Owen & Beru Lars, and Padame, Obi-Wan and Yoda were together on not telling luke, owen and beru probably didn't know what happened to anakin later on, and luke was never with padame,

so it's no big deal.

OF COURSE she will have luke and leia, again, duh, the lack of anyone "knowing" that they are related can be made up for easily, sure, it'll make the kiss and all even MORE awkward for the audience, but there isn't much they can do about that,

Tyto
05-18-2002, 09:23 PM
Nah, I think it'll be perfectly acceptible for the audience to see Anakin's fall. The big 'I am your father' speech is only a surprise to Luke. Although I remember in the cinema at the original release the whole audience drawing breath simultaneously. So now it's just poor Luke who is in the dark.

Obi Wan can still tell Luke Vader killed his father, cuz he's a lying bitter twisted failure of a Jedi. ;)

Amidala can be revealed to be pregnant to the audience, but it has to be after Anakin turns so he is unaware.

Tyto

yoda_alex
05-19-2002, 12:14 PM
anakin has to know that amidala is pregnant, otherwise, how could he know he even has a son.

striderx2048
05-19-2002, 07:01 PM
well anakin can fall to the darkside but certainly cant be reveal to be darth vader.

amidala can be pregant, just dont tell everyone its twins

Kyth'emos
05-19-2002, 07:12 PM
and luke was never with padame,

actually he was with her far at least nine months, he was just to young to remember it ;)

Hannibal
05-20-2002, 12:17 PM
Originally posted by yoda_alex
anakin has to know that amidala is pregnant, otherwise, how could he know he even has a son.

He doesn't know shes pregnant. He knows he has a son cause a guy named Luke Skywalker gains fame as the guy who blew up the Death STar. He makes the connection. A person strong in the force named Skywalker. Who else's son could it be?

striderx2048
05-20-2002, 02:48 PM
its Luke Starkiller :)

Jedi_Monk
05-21-2002, 01:23 AM
well anakin can fall to the darkside but certainly cant be reveal to be darth vader.
Sorry, but James Earl Jones has been signed up for SW3 since the beginning of the Prequel Trillogy--which means the Man in Black will make an appearance :vadar:

Vestril
05-21-2002, 02:17 AM
Originally posted by Jedi_Monk

Sorry, but James Earl Jones has been signed up for SW3 since the beginning of the Prequel Trillogy--which means the Man in Black will make an appearance :vadar:

That doesn't mean who is behind the mask will be revealed. Lucas has said that someone should be able to watch the movies 1-6 without having any major suprises ruined.

hyrit
05-21-2002, 03:31 AM
I've seen a LOT of bizzare storylines make sense before...I mean, hey, I'm a huge fan of console RPG's! :D

I'm really thinking that after Anakin gets his injuries, he'll be left for dead...and it's pretty possible that the scene will leave his true fate "off screen"...possibly even imply death. Like, say, a shadow falls over him, and he screams or something. That'd make Obi-Wan's original story(Vader killed Anakin) make some sense...even though the aforementioned "betrayal" will be a bit puzzling since it implies that Vader is already a known being when Anakin ceases to be. Or it could just be that old Ben's lying like a dog in ANH. :D

I wouldn't worry about the movies flowing right...lots of stories have OBVIOUS hints to huge storyline plots...like say how Clark Kent is always gone when Superman shows up. Of course, we the audience know that from the start. But that exact thing is done in the game Xenogears, and when you figure out who the mystery person is, you say "Oh!!! I should have known that, since X wasn't around whenever Y was!" Of course during a second play you see much more than the first...

It's possible that the newer generations who watch the movies from 1-6 will say the same thing when Vader makes it known that he was once Anakin.

BCanr2d2
05-21-2002, 07:46 AM
There are a few things that people want to happen in E3:

From all reports JEJ has about 10 minutes of "screen" time in E3, other than that, I don't know any more - other than it will be filmed in Australia once again at Fox Studios. (Yay us!! )

We hope that there will be the famed Obi-Wan v Anakin fight. Remember that by halfway through AOTC, Windu was ready to go to the Senate about the diminished foresight with the Force the Jedi are now experiencing, the Dark side is clouding everything. Perhaps Anakin is already in the head gear/cape BEFORE the fight with Obi-Wan. Although I see that Obi-Wan somehow has an idea that something is wrong with Anakin, he stops feeling him in the Force all of the time. Perhaps some visual clues in Anakin's living quarters as to the Vader costume that Padme may not pick up on. Or he leaves the Jedi order, and soon assumes the alias of Vader, before donning the whole Original Trilogy garb..
So, what Ben is saying about Vader is true, from a certain point of view!!

Prowl lightstar
05-21-2002, 10:08 AM
There's gonna be another part that won't work aswell watching the films from 1-6. When luke meets Yoda in ESB, we'll all know it's Yoda (i'm talking from the point of view of someone watching for the first time). Where as when you watch ESB the first time you don't until yoda says "i cannot train him."

Jorus_C'both
05-21-2002, 11:45 AM
Anakin had to wear the darth vader outfit because he is mortally wounded by obi-wan in combat, and that the outfit is sort of a self-contained life support aparatus.

Leagle
05-21-2002, 01:13 PM
Originally posted by Jedi_Monk

Sorry, but James Earl Jones has been signed up for SW3 since the beginning of the Prequel Trillogy--which means the Man in Black will make an appearance :vadar:

It means the voice will, not the "man in black". They are different people.

inSpiRe-
05-21-2002, 01:59 PM
Originally posted by BCanr2d2
Perhaps Anakin is already in the head gear/cape BEFORE the fight with Obi-Wan.

the suit was given to anakin by the emperor himself because anakins lungs are toasted and the suit helps him breathe. When Obi Wan fights anakin, anakin gets chucked into lava, burning out half of his body.

striderx2048
05-21-2002, 02:51 PM
Originally posted by inSpiRe-

When Obi Wan fights anakin, anakin gets chucked into lava, burning out half of his body.

That was the "story" b4 the new trilogy was announced.

Vestril
05-21-2002, 03:17 PM
Originally posted by Prowl lightstar
There's gonna be another part that won't work aswell watching the films from 1-6. When luke meets Yoda in ESB, we'll all know it's Yoda (i'm talking from the point of view of someone watching for the first time). Where as when you watch ESB the first time you don't until yoda says "i cannot train him."

That wasn't exactly a major cliffhanger, like wondering who was behind the mask of DV....

Lor20
05-21-2002, 04:02 PM
Lucas is in no way trying to hide the fact that Anakin will become Vader. Does anyone remember the episode 1 movie poster where Anakin's shadow is cast on the side of his house and the shadow is in the form of Vader? Even if you had never seen the original trilogy I'm positive that you would know who Vader is behind the mask at the end of episode 3.

Vestril
05-21-2002, 04:29 PM
Originally posted by Lor20
Lucas is in no way trying to hide the fact that Anakin will become Vader. Does anyone remember the episode 1 movie poster where Anakin's shadow is cast on the side of his house and the shadow is in the form of Vader? Even if you had never seen the original trilogy I'm positive that you would know who Vader is behind the mask at the end of episode 3.

That was an advertising gimmick--Lucas has stated that he wants people to be able to watch the movies through without having the major cliffhangers ruined. I will be interested to see if he stands by this, and if so--how, but dismissing it out of hand is wrong.

Jedi_Monk
05-21-2002, 06:03 PM
But then, if they just leave Anakin mortally wounded in Episode III, and then Darth Vader pops up--as he obviously will since JEJ is signed up--how will they explain where Vader came from in a prequel viewpoint?

yoda_alex
05-22-2002, 05:09 PM
You could have anakin and vader in the same film, but just as long as you don't tell the audience that they afre the same person. For example, you could have a scene where anakin is apparently killed. Then vader shows up, obi and yoda can sense it's anakin and then go into hiding to escape his wrath - or something like that.

VIO
05-22-2002, 09:14 PM
what the frick are u talking about vader can't be revealed as anakin haven't you seen one of the epI poster with anakin with the shadow of vader DUH everyone knows hes vader why try to hide it remember these movies weren't ment to be watched from one to six they are just prequels there piont is show us how the origanl ones came to be not to tell continue the story everyone already knows

Vestril
05-22-2002, 09:23 PM
Originally posted by VIO
what the frick are u talking about vader can't be revealed as anakin haven't you seen one of the epI poster with anakin with the shadow of vader DUH everyone knows hes vader why try to hide it remember these movies weren't ment to be watched from one to six they are just prequels there piont is show us how the origanl ones came to be not to tell continue the story everyone already knows

*shakes his head* Just...never mind. You're obviously right, Lucas never intended anyone to watch these movies 1-6

I'm just too stupid to notice your remarkable observations.

Jedi_Monk
05-23-2002, 02:34 AM
*shakes his head* Just...never mind. You're obviously right, Lucas never intended anyone to watch these movies 1-6
I don't even think Lucas is really trying to hide it... the music they play when Anakin is turning is Vader's music... the shadow on the Lars' homestead in SW2 looks like Vader's helmet... Anakin expresses that he would willingly follow a dictator... he flings the Force around as Vader does (though with much more destructive consequences). Besides, think emotional impact over the cliffhanger. Seeing Anakin maimed, seeing him give his soul up to Palpatine, seeing him imprisoned behind a black mask. Seeing Anakin Skywalker die and Darth Vader born. I'd much rather see and experience that than have the cliffhangers.

muh2o
05-23-2002, 03:34 AM
The ONLY way Episode 3 can end is to show the mask of Vader, slowly being fitted over Anakin's head...fade to black...hear the famous breathing of Vader.....end credits...

Episode 3 will be loaded:

1) The construction of the Death Star

2) Luke and Leia being born (and separated?)

3) The fall of the Jedi

4) The rise of the Empire

5) Stormtroopers!

6) Boba Fett! The Emperor!

7) The lightsaber duel to end lightsaber duels! Obi-Wan v. Anakin

May xx, 2005 can't come fast enough!

Vestril
05-23-2002, 03:43 AM
Originally posted by Jedi_Monk

I don't even think Lucas is really trying to hide it... the music they play when Anakin is turning is Vader's music... the shadow on the Lars' homestead in SW2 looks like Vader's helmet... Anakin expresses that he would willingly follow a dictator... he flings the Force around as Vader does (though with much more destructive consequences). Besides, think emotional impact over the cliffhanger. Seeing Anakin maimed, seeing him give his soul up to Palpatine, seeing him imprisoned behind a black mask. Seeing Anakin Skywalker die and Darth Vader born. I'd much rather see and experience that than have the cliffhangers.

Just try to imagine it as if it were a real series, 1-6. Would you want to spoil the suprises in early chapters? These other things are foreshadowing, and think of how much emotional impact those moments lose if you know already that Darth Vader really is Lukes father, if you were watching the series for the first time 1-6. These are things Lucas has said, whether he does them or not, is up in the air. I think it can be done even more dramatically if you don't know, if the impression that Darth Vader betrays and murders Anakin Skywalker as Obi Wan says.

Do I believe that it will turn out exactly as I'm saying?? I have no expectations. Expectations are what ruined TPM for so many people.

yoda_alex
05-23-2002, 07:15 AM
The most dramatic point in ESB is when vader tells luke that he is his father - if you know at the end of Ep3 that anakin is vader, you ruin the surprise in ESB.

The trouble is, that lucas is trying to cater for two groups of people; those that have seen the original trilogy and those that haven't.

For the people who know the story of Ep4-6, he puts in certain tidbits (like the "you'll be the death of me" quote) and the shadow on the wall for the advertising for TPM.

However, lucas's idea is that when all the films are finished, someone who is completely new to the star wars universe will be able to watch all 6 films in order (ie 1-6) with no major plot twists being uncovered. The TPM poster is only a very minor spoiler that anyone who is new to the film would probably have forgotten by the time they got to watch the original trilogy.