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Saesee Tom
09-20-2000, 05:39 PM
I have decided to order a PS2 in time christmas, but I'm having second thoughts. Should I get it, or lay my hands on a Dreamcast (for the new version of Jedi Power Battles and Super Bombad Racing or one of the other new consoles?

Should I stuff it and get a PSX?
Help!

PS. Obi-Wan is coming out for the PS2... thats what I read (from the PS2 site) anyway.



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Dave Maul
09-20-2000, 06:56 PM
Gotta correct you, Tom. Obi-Wan has not offically been slated for a PS2 release. What you read was a reviewer saying that it would be a good idea to release it on the new console.

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Saesee Tom
09-20-2000, 07:01 PM
I did? Oh.
Anyway, the main stress of the post is to bring up a discussion on what is the overall console for the average Star Wars Fan

Darth_Simpson
09-20-2000, 10:08 PM
For the average Star Wars fan looking for the best games, I would say that the DC is coming strong, with JPB, Racer, Bombad Racing and Demolition! And the price in the UK is now 149, so it's pretty cheap!

PS2 with Starfighter and Bombad Racing... Starfighter looks good, but if you have to get a PS2, wait for the price to drop! Bombad is out for other platforms as well!

And GameCube with the lovely Rogue Squadron 2. We don't know about any other games yet, but if RS2 is anything like the original, this will be a killer. Kinda long wait though...

X-Box... No games announced...

Darth_Simpson
09-20-2000, 10:10 PM
Oh, and it doesn't look like Obi-Wan will come out for PS2! ( YESSSSSS! ) http://www.jediknight.net/mboard/wink.gif

Zanzibar
09-20-2000, 10:14 PM
The truth? Go with a PS2. Maybe not immediately; Lucasarts is still getting its feet wet in the next-gen console market.

They have yet to show a real commitment to the Dreamcast. Proof, you ask? There are NO games slated for release on the Dreamcast that are NOT PORTS. Racer is a straight PC port; JPB will only add higher resolution textures and models to existing design. Word has it that they'll skip any original designs for DC and go straight to PS2. Starfighter is the proof.

We went to LEC with proposals for a Dreamcast version of TPM with added levels, high-resolution skinned models etc. etc. in April of 1999, and they weren't at all interested. Even during the summer of 99, when the PSX version was still unreleased, we continued to pester them that a DC version would be quite neat, to no avail.

My personal opinion is that LEC underestimated the Dreamcast, realized that it WAS a good platform right before US release, then made a few attempts to cash in on it, but it was too late. Now, as much as I love the DC, it will probably be dead this time next year.

Saesee Tom
09-21-2000, 05:33 AM
How are the graphics on the DC? Are they good or will the PS2 get the upper hand in ther future?

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Zanzibar
09-21-2000, 04:18 PM
The PS2, by a fair clip. PS2 will have better lighting effects, more polygons, faster processor etc. etc. The only thing it DOESN'T have is built-in anti-aliasing, which is a technique that blends the image on-screen so the lines don't look so pixelated. So, first-generation Japanese PS2 games have been hammered because quite simply they don't look very clean.

However, some enterprising programmers have found ways to clean up those problems, so the US versions and 2nd-generation games will look substantially better.

Also, the PS2 will play all your PS1 games, and can also play DVDs. Do I love my DC? You betcha. But it's the way of things with technology.

Now, if you ask me about the Xbox...I'm drooling http://www.jediknight.net/mboard/wink.gif But I haven't heard ANYTHING on whether Lucasarts is doing any Xbox development.

Darth_Simpson
09-21-2000, 08:43 PM
The X-Box developer list doesn't have Lucasarts included. This is sad! http://www.jediknight.net/mboard/frown.gif

Yeah, the PS2 has better graphics, but the DC has much better games in my opinion. We might see some good games on the PS2 too...

Actually, a lot of people underestimated the Dreamcast! This was unforunate, because it would have been really spectacular with the support of the major gaming companies. It still turned out very good, with lotsa good games, but it could have been even better!

Oh, and this backwards combaility the PS2 has is also over-rated. Most people who will use it already have a PS and have already played the game to death. Second, you have BleemCast, which let's you play PS games on your DC, with all the graphical enchantments that carries. The PS games that runs on BleemCast already looks way better than the same games running on a PS2.

If ya desperately want a console now Tom , get a DC. Otherwise borrow Dave's PS2 and buy one when the price drops http://www.jediknight.net/mboard/wink.gif

Personally, I'm waiting for the GameCube!

Saesee Tom
09-22-2000, 02:42 PM
I will consider it. I like the look of the DC, but the controller looks bulkey and I prefer the PS ones, I would get one if they redesigned some bits and made Starfighter for it.

Will the DC have a long life? Will I see an actual DC Game in the shelves? (NO, I HAVEN'T, I MEAN IT.) Will the PS2's selection get bigger?

Tune in next week.

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Darth_Simpson
09-22-2000, 06:58 PM
I don't wanna wait a week! http://www.jediknight.net/mboard/wink.gif

The DC contoller looks bulky, but it's actually very comfortable. The only controller that beats it is the N64 one, which BTW is brilliant.

Yes, the DC will have a long life, due to the fact that so many people bought it and was happy with it. The DC has tons of good games coming out! And you haven't seen a DC game in a shop? Ever? Damn, the UK must be a conservavtive gaming country http://www.jediknight.net/mboard/wink.gif

Sure the PS2 collecton will get bigger, but what is best, bigger or better?

Dave Maul
09-22-2000, 07:47 PM
Good point Simpson. At the moment, a Dreamcast is 149 here in the UK. That's half of the PS2.

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Pedro The Hutt
09-22-2000, 08:00 PM
And besides, does PS2 have games like, Crazy Taxi, Soul Calibur, Shenmue, Metropolis Street Racer etc...
I bought my DC for those games.

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Zanzibar
09-23-2000, 06:40 AM
Yeah, the Bleemcast is a good point - I saw it on display at E3 - it's just amazing seeing a PS1 game running in hi-res at 60fps. However, don't expect to see TPM running on a Bleemcast anytime soon http://www.jediknight.net/mboard/frown.gif

The Sony programmers at LEC did a LOT of hijinx in order to get the game ported over from the PC correctly. You may not believe it, but it's a near miracle that the damn thing runs at ALL on the PSX. The levels were HUGE, the number of characters and AIs is just incredible. But, as a result, their hocus-pocus (you can tell I'm not a programmer http://www.jediknight.net/mboard/wink.gif ) made TPM for the PSX some kind of Frankenstein's Monster when it comes to Bleem! compatibility.

But, alas, I'm really afraid you won't be seeing many people developing new titles for the DC once the PS2 really gets rolling.

If you do get a DC, make SURE you get Crazy Taxi. And if you like American Football, get NFL2k1. There has NEVER been a better sports game. EVER. I mean it.

Oh, and Shenmue. Saw it at E3 too. Wow.

Um, and Jet Grind Radio.

And...Quake was kinda nice too.

Dave Maul
09-23-2000, 07:28 AM
Hey Zanzibar, about that game you were supposed to make before it turned into Episode I, is there any chance now of that being released? It really sounds like a good game, and would be great on PS2 or Dreamcast!

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Saesee Tom
09-23-2000, 09:24 AM
Turned into Episode I? http://www.jediknight.net/mboard/confused.gif


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Darth_Simpson
09-23-2000, 03:44 PM
Pedro, the sweet Soul Calibur! This has got to be the best fighting game ever! The graphics are so sweet, the characters move like they would in real life and the moves are extra-ordinary!

NFL2K1 is pretty good, but I hate your "football"....

NBA2K1 is better in my opinion!

Oh, and the DC has full online capabilities now, and soon you can play Q3, UT, NBA2K1, NFL2K1 and Phantasy Star online! Plus a lot more games of course!

[This message has been edited by Darth_Simpson (edited September 23, 2000).]

Zanzibar
09-23-2000, 09:10 PM
Ah - THAT idea http://www.jediknight.net/mboard/wink.gif No, I doubt it anyways, looks like the management at Lucasarts is heading into a new direction...not sure how Big Ape is gonna fit into their plans.

I'll fill in those who don't know: Big Ape's original storyline was based in the 'classic' Ep 4-6 time period, following a journey of a teenage boy taking up the quest of an immensely powerful item from a old Jedi knight, whom he discovers, dying, in the wreck of a starship that crash-lands near his backwater home. It was supposed to be a coming-of-age story etc. etc., with the Empire, the Hutts, and a few other factions ALL interested in this item that the boy is carrying. He'd make new friends, enemies, and eventually learn the ways of the Force, via the dead Jedi's presence.

That's all fine and good when we presented this idea to them back in early '97, but then LEC realized that they didn't have a 'full scale' game based on the Ep1 license. Jedi Knight was too far along to switch over to Ep1, so they decided to change our focus to following the Ep1 storyline. Some of our TPM levels were based on original designs for this previous game - Mos Espa primarily, and also the Gardens of Theed.

Darth_Simpson
09-23-2000, 10:22 PM
What platforms was it planned for? PC and PSX?

Zanzibar
09-24-2000, 05:17 PM
Originally PC only, just like TPM was originally supposed to be. It wasn't until fairly late in development that Lucasarts started discussing a PSX version of TPM.

Indiana Jones and The Infernal Machine had a PSX version planned, and indeed LEC had a team working on converting the Jones engine for use on the PSX. Then Jones had some design delays, which meant that until those delays were sorted out, the PSX conversion team was idle. So, LEC brought that team over to TPM, working like hell to cram our game onto the PSX.

TPM PSX may not look like much, but seriously it was a helluva lot of work to get it to run as well as it does. I can't say a single bad thing about the PSX team.

Zlpempleh
09-30-2000, 01:54 PM
To tell you the truth if you didn't know,
Obi-Wan will come out for PSX.

But you can play PSX games on PS2.

Pretty cool,huh?

Darth_Simpson
10-02-2000, 12:02 AM
Huh?

What are you talking about? Obi-Wan will not be out for PSX!

Saesee Tom
10-03-2000, 05:20 PM
Oh, geez. Do you reilize why that would be such a BAD idea?

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Darth_Simpson
10-03-2000, 05:37 PM
Me or Zlpempleh?

I realize every bit of it! Obi-Wan can't be released on the PSX. Maybe the PS2, but I hope not!

Saesee Tom
10-06-2000, 05:23 PM
Why do you 'hope not'? Will it affect you or do you HATE Sony that much...


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Kurgan
10-06-2000, 09:23 PM
My advice: figure out what games you want most, and then buy the system that plays the most games that you like.

Personally, if I were to buy one right now, it would be the Sega Dreamcast, because of the consoles out there that I don't own, it has the most games that I like.

Kurgan

Pedro The Hutt
10-06-2000, 10:44 PM
"Yees, To Kurgan you listen!"(-Yoda)

Darth_Simpson
10-06-2000, 11:02 PM
Why I hope not? Well, consoles offers such limitations to FPS games. That's the main problem!

Plus I want PS2 to crash and burn of course! http://www.jediknight.net/mboard/wink.gif

Darth_Chaos
10-08-2000, 12:00 AM
Well I just bought my Dreamcast this morning and Saesse Tom if you do get on get the DC the PS2 will suck bik monkey $hit and the X-Box will be SWEET as will the Gameqube but those won't be out till next year.


Chaos.

Saesee Tom
10-09-2000, 11:46 AM
Too late. IT's OFFICIAL! I AM GETTING...
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A PS2!
I trust Sony.


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Pedro The Hutt
10-09-2000, 06:37 PM
Fine with me. Because every console has it's strong and weak points. So, good luck with your PS2

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Darth_Simpson
10-09-2000, 09:22 PM
If I was getting a PS2, I would get Starfighter and Metal Gear Solid 2... Those games actually look good!

MGS2 is over a year away though, so you'll have to wait for that one...

Saesee Tom
10-13-2000, 04:12 PM
Super Bombad Racing! Dont forget Super Bombad Racing. Also, this gives me a chance to play JPB, Teras Kasi and Demolition.

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Dave Maul
10-13-2000, 04:21 PM
You'd have a hard time finding Teras Kasi now. I can't find it anywhere.

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Darth_Simpson
10-13-2000, 05:41 PM
I've always wanted to test that game. Looks ok to me, but people say it's ****!

Maybe I'll buy BleemCast...

Pedro The Hutt
10-13-2000, 08:01 PM
I'm going to get Bleemcast as well. for those 5(or less) PSX games I allways wanted to play.

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Darth_Simpson
10-14-2000, 01:38 PM
Hope you don't have to buy several Bleem packs. Each pack supports 100 games, and those games not supported by that pack will not run. Ahhh, the limitations of a memory card/VMU... http://www.jediknight.net/mboard/wink.gif

Pedro The Hutt
10-14-2000, 04:20 PM
Wait,My Sis (Sailor Meike) wants to buy a bunch of Dragonball Z games, so it will be more then 5 games.

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Yoda's Little Helper
10-14-2000, 06:22 PM
Well done Tom on getting the PS2 as it is far better than any other console. As for Dave if you want to find Ters Kia go to Tape that next to Martins as they have it and it has brought me great joy when i have rented it.

Dave Maul
10-14-2000, 06:26 PM
I mean a place to buy a copy.

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Kurgan
10-14-2000, 08:59 PM
Another idea: rent the console and some games you're interested in, and see how you like it. Do the same with the other consoles, and for a few bucks, you can find one you like, rather than shelling out and realizing you should have bought a different one.

Kurgan

Saesee Tom
10-15-2000, 04:46 PM
Tape That? Cool!
BIG QUESTION: Is Bleem and Bleemcast LEGAL?

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Darth_Simpson
10-16-2000, 01:40 AM
Yes, it' legal. They have been to court several times with Sony and has won every time!

Bleem needs an original PSX CD to run, and Sony are still getting money then. Check out the legal crap at www.bleem.com (http://www.bleem.com) !

Saesee Tom
10-20-2000, 12:33 PM
Another thing, what are Ki-Adi Mundi's characteristics in the DC version?

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Darth_Simpson
10-20-2000, 04:16 PM
I'm not sure yet, as I haven't unlocked him! People say he isn't worth the hype, but I wouldn't know.

Try the JPB forum!

Saesee Tom
10-22-2000, 05:45 PM
Unlocked him? You mean... (gasp!)... he is not an actual proper playable character on the council choice screen?

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Darth_Simpson
10-24-2000, 04:13 PM
Yeah, that's right!

And The Council screen is gone. The game has a new interface, which is pretty cool.

And Ki-Adi is unlocked by completing the training missions!

Dave Maul
10-29-2000, 06:56 PM
The main game I wanted for PS2 was Munch's Oddysee, but now the last four out of five games in the series (Munch was the second, Abe was the first) are being released on X-Box exclusively. That really pisses me off, so now I've cancelled my PS2 Pre-order, and am getting an X-Box when it comes out.

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Darth_Simpson
10-29-2000, 08:22 PM
Another guy has seen the crappy game lineup for PS2 and turned towards the light! http://www.jediknight.net/mboard/tongue.gif

But did ya really think Oddworld was that good? I never played'em except a demo of Abe's Odysee...

I thought it sucked, but that's my opinion!

Darth_Simpson
10-29-2000, 08:25 PM
Ooops...

Double post...

[This message has been edited by Darth_Simpson (edited October 29, 2000).]

Pedro The Hutt
10-29-2000, 09:37 PM
Oh yeah, I just read this while I was surfing around a bit. There was a guy who had a PS2 who didn't run any games, so he took it back to the store and got a replacement. And what did he find in his new PS2 when he wanted to put in a game???? A king sized cockroagh was sitting there happily. Once the critter was removed the PS2 worked just fine.(the tells quite a bit about where those PS2 are made)

Saesee Tom
10-30-2000, 11:45 AM
X-Box? Ok... Dave! Are you there? Are you posting from Orlando?

I have had some trouble with Sony and I am sad that Munch has been cancelled. The letter said somthing about 'When stores are likely to be addorning http://www.jediknight.net/mboard/confused.gif the new console until sometime late 2001? http://www.jediknight.net/mboard/frown.gif

Saesee Tom
10-30-2000, 11:49 AM
BUGGER! THEY CANCELLED MUNCH!

X-Box? Ok... Dave! Are you there? Are you posting from Orlando?

I have had some trouble with Sony and I am sad that Munch has been cancelled. The letter said somthing about 'When stores are likely to be addorning http://www.jediknight.net/mboard/confused.gif the new console until sometime late 2001? http://www.jediknight.net/mboard/frown.gif

Dave, if you are there could you please advise me what to do. I don't want to get an X-Box just for Munch but a Dreamcast sure looks nice. Should I cancell by subscription?Ater all, the new version of JPB looks good and they will be releasing Super Bombad Racing.

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Dave Maul
10-30-2000, 04:08 PM
Nope, I posted this after I got back.

I have always loved the Oddworld series. Abe's Exoddus is much better than Abe's Oddysee' it was weird to have such a dark sense of humour in a game, and after the first OWI took more risks. Plus you can save anywhere, and it's a much bigger game.

I saw some movies for Munch and thought it looked great. It was weird to see Abe in 3D, butr after a few explainations it seemed like a good idea. But now, as I have cancelled my pre-order, there is no turning back.

Dreamcast has a lot of games that are being released on PS2: Unreal Tournement, a new version of Half Life with better graphics and a new campain, and of course, Super Bombad Racing, Plus the new JPB, while not nearly as good as it could have been, is well worth getting if you don't own the PSX version.

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Darth_Simpson
10-30-2000, 05:53 PM
Half-Life isn't coming out for PS2...

It is coming out on DC though...

Dave Maul
10-30-2000, 06:21 PM
That's what I meant. DC has some great games not even being released on the PS2.

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Darth_Simpson
10-30-2000, 11:56 PM
Oh, ok then. Just a misunderstanding. http://www.jediknight.net/mboard/smile.gif

And why are everybody so negative towards the X-Box? Ok, I maybe can see why you are worried about bugs, but have you ever seen a console with bugs? I certainly haven't, and I've played a lot of consoles; NES, SNES, Megadrive, PSX, DC, N64 even P$2... None of them has bugs I've discovered!

Look at the games Microsoft has! Age of Empires, Crimson Skies, Mechwarrior, Midtown Madness... If these games are a hint at what we might see on the X-Box, I'll buy one the day it comes out!

X-Box looks excellent in my opinion. It will be better than the P$2 in every aspect, from hardware to DVD playback to internet! Now what is wrong with that? I'm not sure about Gamecube yet...

Well, that's my opinion anyway. And I won't accept any answer saying, 'Microsoft sucks'!

They don't!

Darth_Simpson
10-31-2000, 12:02 AM
Oh, and as long as we're talking DC games, check out Shenmue!

And Demolition is coming for DC as well!

Dave Maul
10-31-2000, 06:50 AM
Without Microsoft, we wouldn't be able to have this conversation!

The X-Box has DVD and Internet? Then it's definately my favourite. Not too many games announced though...

And finally...

And what did he find in his new PS2 when he wanted to put in a game???? A king sized cockroagh was sitting there happily.

You don't call this a bug!?!?!

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Darth_Simpson
10-31-2000, 10:15 AM
LOL!

Clever Dave...

Saesee Tom
10-31-2000, 03:16 PM
In order to save loading time, this conversation will take place in a new topic called 'What console? 2'.

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