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Ready Wan
05-27-2002, 06:10 PM
1.03 cripples the dark side users, but I prefer the dark side powers. Is there any use in choosing any dark force power besides lightning (which only works vss newbies since anyone who has played for a few weeks or more knows to go light and use absorb)?

I got tired of checking EACH server for 1.02 games, and upgraded again to 1.03. It's pretty sad (heh, got killed 10 times by a guy who was just using the backstab move...I won most of the games anyway, but players like that are more numerous than any other at this point), and not very fun.

but anyway, back onto the subject, am I missing something with the Dark side? Is there ANY recourse?

I dont play on duel servers btw, only FFA with force/guns.

thanks

-RW

Orangina_Rouge
05-27-2002, 06:15 PM
Dark side is totatally crippled as u said.....no point of playing this totally unbalanced 1.03 version

By the way u can use this server browser to filter 1.02 servers All-seeing eye (http://www.udpsoft.com/eye)

Ready Wan
05-27-2002, 07:01 PM
thanks for the link Orangina!

Our entire LAN group only plays 1.02 (20 or so players)...at least on LAN both sides of the force have mostly equal footing.

I dont mind getting backsweeped, but at least in 1.02 people would mix it up with DFA (easily countered), so it wasnt the same boring stuff over and over again. Actually the DFA in 1.03 is crippled for the most part. you're a sitting duck if you launch it but then cant move at all to counter/protect until the animation is finished :(

Nathan Wind
05-27-2002, 07:07 PM
1.03 is unplayable, dark or otherwise

BloodRayne
05-27-2002, 07:31 PM
Dark Force is GREAT when you know how to play it.

Use tactic and you will owns. I owns all the time and im a Dark or Light user. Actualy Dark side is wwaayy more chalenging and i like it alot. Pussy light with absorb not cuase me any problem :). They still die from lightning, grip, Kick or saber.

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Nathan Wind
05-27-2002, 07:34 PM
i dont see how they could die with grip or lightning with the new invisible, ever running absorb

Zek
05-27-2002, 07:37 PM
Any dark sider with half a brain can hear Absorb very clearly and wait for them to turn it off.

BlackDove
05-27-2002, 07:38 PM
Just like one of the moderators wrote.....heh.....

Nathan Wind
05-27-2002, 07:43 PM
in ffa with guns, what i play, thats next to impossible.

Zek
05-27-2002, 07:47 PM
In an FFA game, it doesn't matter, because if you Lightning a group of people you almost always kill 1-2 of them. The Dark Side is the best in FFA because keeping yourself alive isn't going to win you the game when someone else is killing people faster.

Nathan Wind
05-27-2002, 07:52 PM
same if you fire a conc. nobody can pull it if your light w/absorb, and nobody can pull/backstab you.

people who play dark in 1.03 are not good players

Nathan Wind
05-27-2002, 07:53 PM
the second you throw out lightning, its invitation for death at the hands of a salivating expert

Cracken
05-27-2002, 07:54 PM
Lightside is unbeatable in CTF...I can't tell you how mind-numbingly easy it is to sneak up behind a stationary flag carrier with Mind Trick, backstab him, return the flag, turn on speed and absorb, and run the enemy flag all the way back to base unscathed. If you want a challenge, use the darkside. If you want to win consistently, use the light.

Zek
05-27-2002, 07:56 PM
Cracken, why would the flag carrier be stationary? Anyone without Seeing in CTF is an idiot.

Nathan, not everyone in FFA is an expert; that's the point. Lightning slaughters anyone close enough to get hit by it who isn't a Light Sider, and doing that will win you the majority of FFA games except against someone who's really really good with a gun.

BlackDove
05-27-2002, 07:58 PM
I feel sorry for you Darkside users...but sinceirly it sucks to be you. I was light since 1.02, and then the light was underpriviledged. So either turn to the light side and be a jedi, or just stay there and grow old like the emperor when I throw you into a deep pit using my absorb+push :D

Nathan Wind
05-27-2002, 07:59 PM
i play with good people. force preference didnt matter before. now it is all that matters

flag carriers are stationary because if their flag is stolen they have no other choice.

Nathan Wind
05-27-2002, 08:00 PM
buck up or shut up? makes for a balanced game!

Zek
05-27-2002, 08:01 PM
In Cracken's scenario, the flag was at their base. Also, in a game where players can turn invisible at will, you'd be stupid to stand still with the flag unless you have Seeing on and are watching the only entrance. I agree that the Light Side is superior in CTF, though, where staying alive long enough to get to and from their base is the only concern.

Nathan Wind
05-27-2002, 08:09 PM
well i guess you could use speed and rage to get the flag back to your base and then kill yourself and hand the flag off to your teammate, but i think thats silly

Spider AL
05-27-2002, 08:21 PM
Hmm Zek, I keep getting the feeling that you don't play a lot of Full Force Guns FFA... is that true? I may well be completely wrong.

It's just that if you were a regular guns FFA player you'd know just how powerless Darksiders are. They can't hold on to a gun, they can't affect the huge and growing numbers of Absorbant Jedi like myself (Was one pre-patch too)

The more darksiders there are in a FFA, the faster lightsiders win. It's that simple.

Orangina_Rouge
05-27-2002, 10:41 PM
Nothing to add more Spider Al ......u said it all

Ppl sayin they can own with Dark side in 1.03 don t have an idea of what is an experienced player

For now i enjoy the few 1.02 servers Left......1.03 isn t fun

HertogJan
05-28-2002, 11:00 AM
Yeah I agree that absorb is too powerful in 1.03... People who use it all the time, shouldnt be possible, bleh...

But hey, since you can here it from the other side of the map, just wait for it to run out, lightning them and when they turn it back on you just have to hit them twice with medium or so... Absorbers are no match for me! If they 'whore' absorb, I 'whore' the running-away-and-wait-for-force-to-run-out-and-then-use-lightning-and-finish-them-off tactic... Always works..

BTW, I believe absorb is the only forcepower that is easily effected by drain... lightning+drain can be powerful...

Swingin'Baws
05-28-2002, 11:42 AM
....people who play dark in 1.03 servers are not good players.



Erm excuse me, are you sure your name is not "Nathan Wind Out Of My Arse"? I play dark, and think Im a good player - 99.9% of the time I will walk a FFA or TFFA, and I will also win about 90% of my one on one duels. A good dark player has much more fun than being a protective light, and should really whip his ass! The dark guy just has to make sure hes not pulled & backstabbed.

If you want a game for proof, you'll find me on gamer.TV servers most nights......

In case you're interested, no I do not spam back stab. Ill probably kick you around like a ball though, and medium finish your skull. ;)

w1ggl3s
05-28-2002, 12:07 PM
if anyone things 1.02 light force pwrs where underbalanced you havnt played saber/force ctf.

absorb is the single most un balanced force in the game. In one button (much like 1.03 backstab) you can effect five - six offensive force pwrs. What other force pwr can do that?

And you 1.03 dark force players with incredeble hearing. Soon as i see you even start a spell absorb is back on. Im pulling you down. And your dieing .

I only play 1.02, I was one of the first to get frustrated with Grip and Drain and Lighting and say to myself how can i beet that stuff. I read my manual and have been an absorb whore ever since. but in 1.02 atleast darkies had a chance if they had good teammates.

Solo dark vs 3/4 absorb defenders ='s Dead dark.

Solo light absorb/protect/heal vs 5/6 absorb defenders ='s a fight where a good absorb player could take out half if not all.

Because ive lost faith in raven I doubt they will change absorb to only suck mana and not change the effect of the offensive spell.

Or give rage the same effect of absorb.

No they will change the pwr of backstab. Add more blocking and Make it so sabers can only hit with the pwr Off.

tks

Wiggles

ALIEN_JL
05-28-2002, 12:10 PM
...............

If force power would be like i wrote here:

http://www.lucasforums.com/showthread.php?s=&threadid=57378

Then :)

Nathan Wind
05-28-2002, 01:44 PM
well, swingin, you certinly havent played me before.

and yes, i will pull and back stab. i just wont enjoy it.

Spider AL
05-28-2002, 01:57 PM
and yes, i will pull and back stab. i just wont enjoy it.

Exactly my feelings.

Before the patch, there was NOTHING I didn't enjoy doing in the game. I loved the guns, the force powers (on both sides of the force) I loved the pace, the style, the feel.

Now when there's a pull/backswinger around, I have to pull/backswing to keep up.

Now I have to go on endless ammo hunts, to avoid becoming a camper.

Now I have to choose between a long drawn out sabre fight the probable end of which is that some third party will appear and backswing us both,.. and running away.

Now I don't have the option of playing a game while using the dark side, because it's now crapola.

Oh Joy.

Swingin'Baws
05-28-2002, 05:00 PM
Ah, Nathan Wind.

I never said I would beat you, or even challenged you. I merely stated that there are good Dark players, whereas you do not seem to think that is possible. ;)

Nathan Wind
05-28-2002, 09:04 PM
i know its not possible

BloodRayne
05-28-2002, 09:38 PM
Originally posted by w1ggl3s
if anyone things 1.02 light force pwrs where underbalanced you havnt played saber/force ctf.

absorb is the single most un balanced force in the game. In one button (much like 1.03 backstab) you can effect five - six offensive force pwrs. What other force pwr can do that?

True cheap force power

And you 1.03 dark force players with incredeble hearing. Soon as i see you even start a spell absorb is back on. Im pulling you down. And your dieing .

Try that on me. You never player VS a skilled Dark Jedi.

I only play 1.02, I was one of the first to get frustrated with Grip and Drain and Lighting and say to myself how can i beet that stuff. I read my manual and have been an absorb whore ever since. but in 1.02 atleast darkies had a chance if they had good teammates.

I no need any help to kill you.

Solo dark vs 3/4 absorb defenders ='s Dead dark.

ROFL bring it on i kill them all of you.

Solo light absorb/protect/heal vs 5/6 absorb defenders ='s a fight where a good absorb player could take out half if not all.

Not hard to do absorb to kill players and think we are skilled. ( say a extra super thanks to absorb cheap force ).

Because ive lost faith in raven I doubt they will change absorb to only suck mana and not change the effect of the offensive spell.

Absrob need to only take mana and STILL got affected. After that Light and Dark will be MORE balanced.

Or give rage the same effect of absorb.

Rage sucks. Stupid force.

No they will change the pwr of backstab. Add more blocking and Make it so sabers can only hit with the pwr Off.

Not realy. Force on or off not realy change anything with me. If i want to kill you. Wish luck to you.

tks

Wiggles

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Rogue74
05-28-2002, 09:50 PM
I play FFA teams just about all the time and I have no problem winning pretty much every game using the Dark Side. I have all points on jump, push, pull, saber skills, grip, and lightning.

The problem some people have with not winning has more to do with either not playing long enough to learn the game or only practicing a couple things (assfighters).

Absorb is only a problem if you let the person using absorb play to their style and not do your thing. As soon as I start getting pulled I do a back flip and kick them each time they do it. Or I just let them run out their absorb by flailing around trying to hit me.

Now when there's a pull/backswinger around, I have to pull/backswing to keep up.

Yep. I've actually had people call me assfighter because *they* were spamming it and using ONLY that move so whenever someone does that to me, that is their choice of deaths for the rest of their time on the server. Or I kick them to death, which is pretty much as helpless a feeling as when you are pulled and backstabbed.


As for the patch, I love the heavy saber style much more now, but some thing need fixed.

Nathan Wind
05-29-2002, 03:50 PM
you shouldnt have to edit your play style to make it fun. flaws are flaws.

Rogue74
05-29-2002, 05:16 PM
Originally posted by Nathan Wind
you shouldnt have to edit your play style to make it fun. flaws are flaws.

You misunderstood me. I meant that people using absorb try to force you to play to *their* style by flipping on absorb then pulling you to backstab you or whatever. To beat them you can't let them force you to play to their style.

WD_ToRMeNt
05-30-2002, 03:06 PM
Yep, dark powers are pretty useless in 1.03. The only time I use dark is when Im playing CTF with my clan/team. We have a capper using Speed + Rage and a midfielder with Team energize supporting him. The other 3 team members go light. Might also have a darkie with Team energize in TDM.

But that's playing as a team with my WD bros. Using team heal/energize on people who don't understand teamwork in pub servers is a waste of mana.

Light is very superior to dark in FFA and Duels.

Halowse
05-30-2002, 03:29 PM
You guys are such ****ing whiners.

I play with dark all the time and have no problem winning... and I NEVER SPAM any move.

The name of the game is Timing and Skill, kids... your choice of force powers is irrelevant.

Orangina_Rouge
05-30-2002, 03:38 PM
Originally posted by Halowse
The name of the game is Timing and Skill, kids... your choice of force powers is irrelevant.

It would be a pleasure for me to rape u using light side to prove you how much you are wrong

Spider AL
05-30-2002, 03:49 PM
I love listening to weekend warriors like Halowse lecture Nathan, Torment, Orangina and myself on how to play the game. Har-de-har-har, it is to laugh.

Halowse
05-30-2002, 03:56 PM
Originally posted by Orangina_Rouge


It would be a pleasure for me to rape u using light side to prove you how much you are wrong

Many have tried. Many have failed. What exactly would you do?

Absorb? It doesnt last forever.
Heal? You heal, I drain.
Push / Pull Sweep? It better be scripted and spammed son, if you expect it to work on me.
Speed? I can evade you regardless of your speed if I want to.

I am not saying I win every fight, but I do win most, regardless of Light or Dark.

Orangina_Rouge
05-30-2002, 04:04 PM
Originally posted by Halowse

Many have tried. Many have failed. What exactly would you do?


Join a 1.03 server ( ho man ......this cost me to say that :D ) and shut your braggin mouth
Someone sayin he can kill an opponent of equal skill using dark when the other use light is just hallucinating

Halowse
05-30-2002, 04:17 PM
Originally posted by Spider AL
I love listening to weekend warriors like Halowse lecture Nathan, Torment, Orangina and myself on how to play the game. Har-de-har-har, it is to laugh.

You guys make it sound like a chore to play this game.

The fact is I do win a lot, and I do it without being overly dependant on special moves or force powers. Why is that so hard for you to grasp?

Orangina_Rouge
05-30-2002, 04:21 PM
Originally posted by Halowse

Why is that so hard for you to grasp?

Since u don t seem to want to accept my challenge and prove me you can , i don t see why i would believe you ......
U re online and i m too .....why is it so hard to prove me that the dark side is SO powerful :rolleyes:

Halowse
05-30-2002, 04:25 PM
What challenge? I did not see any mention of server names, IPs, or times.

I would enjoy an opportunity to fight someone who thinks they have skills. Maybe I'll learn something. Maybe you learn something too.

I am available to play most nights between 6:00pm - 12:00am PST.

Orangina_Rouge
05-30-2002, 04:34 PM
gamesdomain.co.uk - Duel (01) to (06) : IP 213.221.165.11:28070 to 28075

PST is GMT - 8 Right ??? If so Meet at 11:30 PM PST

Search For Orangina_Rouge

Plez answer for challenge before 3:00 PM PST ( it s 12:00 AM Here )

Would be glad to be wrong ( i was a hardcore Darksider ), but i don t think i will

Halowse
05-30-2002, 05:44 PM
PST is Pacific Standard Time. I am on the West Coast of the U.S., if you are indeed in the U.K., I believe the connection quality may be very poor. Nonetheless, I will try to find you at the time you specified.

Orangina_Rouge
05-31-2002, 06:04 AM
Was at time on server said .....waited during half an hour ( thx man ....i waked up early for nothing ) and had to duel some guy using no force ( yawwwwnn ...anyway i won )
So i win by forfeit ...Light side is indeed stronger :rolleyes: ( note to self ...never challenge braggers on forums ;) )

IronJedi Kaga
05-31-2002, 08:12 PM
IF you enjoy playing as a dark side player, play it. As for balance, the lightside has been more powerrful than the darkside from day one. It's nothing new in version 1.03. I exclusively play darkside and even though the lightsiders have the advntage I still enjoy playing.

Vagabond
05-31-2002, 08:16 PM
In my opinion, the Darksider has the advantage. In a one-on-one duel, all a Darksider has to do is to wait for the buzz of Absorb to go away, and then suck out the Lightsider's remaining force power, and then zap them with lightning until they're dead. Is it lame? Could be. But it also works, which can be interpreted as powerful. And yes, the Lightsider can go invisible, but so what? If they do that, I just run around until they appear again, and then I Drain/Lightning them. It's not that hard, and it's quite effective.

Is there something I'm overlooking???

Dark Begger
05-31-2002, 08:20 PM
Vagabond, that would be a very good tactic..but no light sider in their right mind turns it on and LEAVES it on..I turn it on when I attack, and when he backs off or I do I turn it off..

Or i turn it on..when he attacks me with force power..then when eh stops I turn it off...This way it doesn't suck up my force power...

Halowse
05-31-2002, 10:18 PM
Sorry guys, I did try to play but the server that gives you the list was down and the online play component would hang. I ended up playing a couple of bots and then went to bed.

I'll look for you.

Nathan Wind
05-31-2002, 11:43 PM
god, you just a bunch of yo-yo's. shut up ya yo-yo's

Vagabond
06-01-2002, 01:55 AM
Well, Dark Begger, you must get zapped with a lot of lightning then - or at least you should. As soon as I'd hear your Absorb go off, I'd just drain you, and then zap you. You do realize that Absorb makes this huge obnoxious noise, right? You can hear it a mile away.

Whatever, though. If you're good at being a Lightsider, that's great.

SPY_jmr1
06-01-2002, 02:06 AM
hey vagabond, I used to play dark prepatch, but have, heh, seen the light, since then and would be willing to give it a shot sometime, vs a 1.03 darky.

this is open to anyone who would want to try and see light vs.
dark.

maybe i will have to give 1.03 dark side a try again:cool:

graigsmith
06-01-2002, 03:30 AM
lightning doesn't slaughter me when i was playing dark side.. just turn on dark rage and you WONT die. equip a weapon.. #6 is my personal favorite.. and just hold down the first mouse button :) you shoot so fast the person doing lightning usually only has about 3 seconds to live. the only problem is after it wears off you better equip the saber and be defensive..

dark rage has lots of other uses too.

escaping bacstabs .. turn it on if you get knocked down.. and then equip a weapon. and blast someone. ;) or saber them

dark is kinda weak only in the defense department in my opinion.

Nathan Wind
06-01-2002, 03:51 AM
you have no credibility when you refer to the weapon as "#6"

ironically, you using drain, you will be completely out of force much much faster than the person that is being drained