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DarthCobra
05-28-2002, 07:10 AM
Im sorry. And I dont mean to sound so harse (yes i do) but everyone seems to be gettin a little carried away on the skinning idea around here. We have a limited number of models to skin at this time. So how about you guys save all that energy for another time when there are new models.. I mean a clone tropper outta the stormpilot. Everyone playin with photoshop filters just to change the color a little. This has gone way beyond insane. Why some of these skins get posted is beyond me. I dont wanna pick on anyone in particular so ill leave it at this.

WAIT FOR NEW MODELS!!!!

Kranckor
05-28-2002, 07:13 AM
Well aren't you an ARSEHOLE

UniKorn
05-28-2002, 10:12 AM
I agree that some stuff shouldn't be released, but at least people are trying and learning, they will improve over time. Keep going people, you'll get there.

Droidekas
05-28-2002, 10:17 AM
I have to agree with Cobra. Some stuff should get reviewed before being posted. It's very nice that everybody can have its skin posted, but there is way too much crap that gets posted. I have total respect for beginner skinners, but to those who take their time and apply themselves and can review their own work! I am a still a crappy skinner and I don't feel my stuff is nice enough to be posted for the fact that I can judge my work. One day I will be better and I will submit. I think the JKIInet skin section has lost credibility because of the amount of crap there is in it. I am talking about reborn skins that have been desaturated and posted! Stuff that even the original skinner wouldn't use! And in my opinion, all the things that don't have anything to do with starwars. This is Jedi net. Be coherent at least. Otherwise call it the freaking running loose skinners net. If I had a word on it, 3/4 of the skin section would come burning down into limbo. I have dialup and have to browse the damn database (who then works half the time) to look for decent stuff? Noway, I am not even going there!

Cya, I know, I am an arsehole too... it's ok

Quite Jedi
05-28-2002, 02:21 PM
1 question.
Why do you care about what other people do?
You might as well keep quite because you cant stop people doing what they want to do.
I agree to the point when there are about 10 mace Windu skins, but at the end of the day the creator made the skin because of the love he has for Starwars and the game JKII.

John Solvis
05-28-2002, 05:20 PM
Okay, look. There's no law that states that people can't skin whenever they want. You're not required to download skins you don't like. Yes, they get better over time. Yes, there are some skins that could use quite a bit of work. Yes, there needs to be more models before lots of quality skins can be made.

Guess what people? You don't have to download skins you don't like.

There's no reason to put down people trying their best. That's just going to make people give up, and then we'll have fewer good skinners in the long run. They should get the practice in now, while the game is still relatively new. While I agree that a lot of skins should be worked on more before they're released (ie: test skins), but even so, the site and filebase are not so restricted as to prohibit people from submitting.

Anyway, putting all that aside, this is also a public forum. People should be a tad more respected than that. Everyone has a right to their opinion, but that doesn't make it right to insult people who are at least trying. Take it easy, guys.

DarthCobra
05-28-2002, 06:51 PM
I really didnt mean to insult anyone. Just to make a point that skins that arent done well, should not be posted. And this isnt kindergarden where we put all the kiddies work on the wall for all the parents to go "Ohhhh, Ahhhh!". And i dont wanna discourage anyone from skinning. By all means.. Skin practice learn get better and post some real decent skins. But again im gonna say this has gotten completely outta hand. Anyone with photoshop and absolutly no understanding of skinning posts these aweful skins and clutter up our files section. Lets review them and only post good ones. Get mad tell me i dont have a right to speak my mind. I dont care. I will speak my mind. And ive been meaning to say this for quite some time now. So again, i repeat. I DO NOT MEAN TO INSULT ANYONE!!! JUST TO NOTE THE REALITY OF THE SITUATION! Theres to many horrid skins in this file section .... get rid of them.

John Solvis
05-28-2002, 07:29 PM
Sorry to offend. I also didn't say not to speak your mind, so I'm sorry. But some people do tend to take offense to things like that... And while I agree about the whole 'putting up all the kiddies work on the wall for all the parents to go "Ohhhh, Ahhhh!"', that's really a matter of opinion. I mean, something could be crude and ugly to one person, and very nice to another. Just keep in mind there's more than one opinion on this forum. :) I mean, if I made a skin that everyone else thought was crude, but it was the only skin I wanted to use, I'd probably submit it, just so that if people want to see my skin when I play with them, they can download it if they want. I can't say for sure, but perhaps that's where most of them come from? Just a thought. Sorry to bother... I don't like arguing much. I don't know why this thread attracted me, really.

Jango_Fett82
05-28-2002, 07:39 PM
Who are you to tell us our skins aren't any good. Perfectsky or Absath (who are both great skinners), one of them released an X-box trooper. who the hell wants that?(sorry guys). But it's their right to post it if they want to. Btw, it WAS pretty cool looking.
and btw again where's the file section?. And also guys, keep making the crappy skins, I like em.

DarthCobra
05-28-2002, 07:40 PM
I did not mean you John Solvis. That last thread of mine was directed more towards the ppl tellin me to be quiet, and callin me and a$$hole.

AS FOR THIS!

Originally posted by Jango_Fett82
Who are you to tell us our skins aren't any good. Perfectsky or Absath (who are both great skinners), one of them released an X-box trooper. who the hell wants that?(sorry guys). But it's their right to post it if they want to. Btw, it WAS pretty cool looking.
and btw again where's the file section?. And also guys, keep making the crappy skins, I like em.

If you dont know where the file section is. You obviously havent looked at many of the skins posted there. Who am I? Why do I have to be somebody? Are you somebody? Do you think? Speak your mind? I do? If you dont like thread dont read it HUH? The only skin i singled out was the clone trooper on the stormpilot model, and while i think its a very good skin. It does not fit the model at all. And I dont think it should have been posted, like so many others.

"no offence" "none takin"

:)

Jango_Fett82
05-28-2002, 08:00 PM
Who am I? Why do I have to be somebody? Are you somebody? Do you think? Speak your mind? I do? If you dont like thread dont read it HUH? The only skin i singled out was the clone trooper on the stormpilot model, and while i think its a very good skin. It does not fit the model at all. And I dont think it should have been posted, like so many others.

"no offence" "none takin"

:) [/B][/QUOTE]

What the hell is wrong with you? YES you do have to be somebody to put someone else down. If you aren't God's gift to skinning don't judge other people. And YOU aren't cuz as near as I can tell, Perfectsky's the closest yet. And you don't have to bring up how incredibly savvy you are for speaking your mind every time you post. "the more you tighten your grasp, the more star systems will slip through your fingers" sucka.

P.S. I still don't know where the file section is.
P.S.S. cuz every time I ask, someone says I should already know
P.S.S.S but if you told me, I wouldn't ask

DarthCobra
05-28-2002, 08:14 PM
Originally posted by Jango_Fett82
What the hell is wrong with you? YES you do have to be somebody to put someone else down. If you aren't God's gift to skinning don't judge other people. And YOU aren't cuz as near as I can tell, Perfectsky's the closest yet.
Man your a moron arent you. Cant find the file section. Cant quote right. Why dont you just go away. I do not have to be gods gift to skinning to say what i want, or to notice all the lame skins gettin posted. Do you skin? Did you make the clone trooper skin? Why do you feel so attacked? Im not tryin to pick a fight with a no brainer like you, so dont waste your time.

Jango_Fett82
05-28-2002, 08:29 PM
So what if I can't quote right. the reason it didn't turn out right is cuz I tried to cut down all your mindless drivel into something half way cognitive. Do you search? Do you go where you want? I do. So, I think I'll stay, And no I didn't make the Clontrooper but I think It's pretty good and you suck for bashing other people's acheivments. Maybe whoever did make that skin was proud of it until you came along. Just deal with all the crappy skins and let people do and make what they want.


sucka.

P.S. the word is H-A-R-S-H Harsh.
P.S.S. there's an "e" in absolutely
P.S.S.S. It should be taken-not takin
P.S.S.S.S have you seen my brain I...Oh wait. I forgot I'm a no brainer. (ouch. THAT one hurt)sucka.

DarthCobra
05-28-2002, 08:47 PM
This isnt an english class. But thanks for the corrections, i was so worried that i might not be spelling things correctly. As if i care. Why is it everyone thinks they can break "moron" "nobrain" and "idiot" insults with spelling errors. As if spelling and grammer where the complete base of intelligence. I like to think of intelligence based on common sence, which isnt very common anymore.

Quite Jedi
05-28-2002, 09:54 PM
truthfully, this topis going nowhere.

Droidekas
05-28-2002, 09:58 PM
No words needed for this one, it speaks!

http://www.jediknightii.net/files/index.php?link=file&id=421

I Lets go change hues! There are about 30,000,000 of hem!

Absath
05-28-2002, 10:18 PM
well im a tad bit mixxed on this topic. For one, I think its horrible to see so much much junk permeating all of the download sites etc, and I think its a shame that people have to sift through the detritis (hehe sorry, couldnt resist) in order to find the real gems.

but on the other hand, I'm a bit of a skinner myself ;) hehe and I once was a beginner too. Granted, I've been an artist my entire life, so I came into video game skinning with a working knowledge of art and graphics, but still i went through a learning phase just like everyone else.

but i dont think we should placate these people who release crap just to spare some feelings. Art is a hard world, and is subject to criticism over anything else. There are some people that obviously suck, and quite simply, are never going to get any better. There is no luck in the world of art. tutorials and helping hands can make a mediocre artist good, but nothing will make a crappy artist mediocre, or a good artist great. thats my philosophy anyway (ripped from stephen king's philosophy on writing). Be as gentle about it as possible, but be truthful, always. You are doing the artist no favors otherwise.

-Abs

HapSlash
05-28-2002, 11:06 PM
I myself have only been skinning for a month now, and I think of making skins using these existing models as a challange. While I believe that some skins can't be done properly with the existing models, I wouldn't put anyone down for trying.

And if you're tired of wading through the lower quality skins in the file index, sort them by rating, as long as people rate them fairly it works.

I also believe questioning intelligence futile, when an opinionated discussion resorts to name calling.

DarthSlaught
05-28-2002, 11:29 PM
Wow, you guys are serious aren't you?!? LOL My son and I made one mod thingy so far (Darth Slaught and Darth Slyther for SP). I really don't see the big deal. If someone posts something that's crap, then don't download it don't waste your bandwidth but don't bash them for trying.

BTW if anyone got my mod and noticed the bugs (Darth Slaught's waste and Darth Slyther's head) I already know and posted the complete version this morning.

Kirin
05-28-2002, 11:31 PM
I've been a skinner for quite a long time now since the Quake2 days, but I haven't really gotten too serious into it since year 2000. Although, I have to admit, my first skins were just recolors or modifications of original skins. No skill in that, but I did learn a few things in making a skin.

Personally, I wouldn't release recolors or early practice skins. I would continue to work and try to get as much feedback as possible and put use to it.

Today, I only work from the wireframes up. The only skins that I use as base/template-skins are my own skins and no other.

Seeing that I'm working on my first Jedi Knight 2 skin, it's going be quite a challenge as I look at the other skins just to see where everything lands, but I don't cut-n-paste or recolor anything.

There's many models for JK2, although mostly humanoid, most of them have some distinctive characteristics. Desann, for example, has a lizard head. Someone could come up with some lizard warrior from another planet. Jan has a magazine belt and gogs. Those might expand some ideas. Reelo ... he's fat. Someone can go creative on that little fat alien.

From what I know, there's only wireframes for Kyle, Jan, and StormTrooper, but once there's a Ghoul2 (.glm) model importer out there, I'll extract the wireframes from other models as well.

Nanodagiardino
05-29-2002, 12:49 AM
Had I the wireframes, I wanted to make desann into an eagle. (the mouth and small eyes are a problem but the beak is perfect). THAT is the challenge, to create something unique and particular out of so few models and so many limitations, is the greatest invitation for a skinner. Then you have to start somewhere and since STARWARS is one of the most loved saga in the world, no wonder it is so popular with models, skins, maps, etc... I agree that the file section is a mess... but not because of too many skins... at least not yet. :) And even if I dindn't understand the rating thing and who rates and how they rate, it seems to work.

UniKorn
05-29-2002, 01:47 PM
Clontrooper : CloneTrooper
acheivments : achievements

Grow up people. Getting people on their spelling is just childish. I'm sure that all the people here who have english as their main language are not that talkative when they have to speak a language that is foreign for them.

Originally posted by Jango_Fett82
So what if I can't quote right. the reason it didn't turn out right is cuz I tried to cut down all your mindless drivel into something half way cognitive. Do you search? Do you go where you want? I do. So, I think I'll stay, And no I didn't make the Clontrooper but I think It's pretty good and you suck for bashing other people's acheivments. Maybe whoever did make that skin was proud of it until you came along. Just deal with all the crappy skins and let people do and make what they want.


sucka.

P.S. the word is H-A-R-S-H Harsh.
P.S.S. there's an "e" in absolutely
P.S.S.S. It should be taken-not takin
P.S.S.S.S have you seen my brain I...Oh wait. I forgot I'm a no brainer. (ouch. THAT one hurt)sucka.

UniKorn
05-29-2002, 01:51 PM
Kirin, are you very experienced in UV unwrapping? I could use some help.

PerfectSky
05-29-2002, 04:16 PM
True there are some ****ed up skins on jedinightii.net

But Iīve been a skinner ever sence the days of Quake. And honestly I donīt care what people think of my skins (like the X-box trooper)... Iīm making them for the fun of it.

And if you donīt like them, hell, donīt download them then. Itīs not my problem.

(IK) Lucifer
05-29-2002, 04:27 PM
Well, I sifted through this crap, which, it seems to me are two instances of the same type of behaviour, a correction is, after all, a correction.
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"Man your a moron arent you. Cant find the file section. Cant quote right. "

"P.S. the word is H-A-R-S-H Harsh.
P.S.S. there's an "e" in absolutely
P.S.S.S. It should be taken-not takin"

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And all I got out of it was this at the end.
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"You don't have to download skins you don't like."

"If you dont like thread dont read it HUH?"

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It seems to me that this is the entire point of all that has been said in this thread. I agree with both of these last two statements.

It doesnt take a genius to see the logic inherent in such a simple concept. 'If you dont like it, move along.' I think even a dullard can grasp this one.

There's not much we can do about the clutter of the files section. Apparently the good folks at JediKnightII.net are giving something to the fans, made by the fans. Kind of like how some websites post drawings on notebook paper of Star Wars Characters that some 12 year old kid did in class while the teacher wasn't looking. It's not great work, but it makes the person who made it feel important and accepted. I've seen alot of suck ass work in many, many websites, but never bitched about it, because somewhere, there's someone who is absolutely thrilled to see his work on a website, beside other fans' work for the world to see.

Even if it does look like a giant bucket of @ss, it is an accomplishment for them personally.

If we want to fix this problem, I say list the files in order of their ratings, keeping new files in a text link list on a seperate menu for about a week or two, so they can build ratings before going into the pool. That way everyone is happy, we can stop this thread, and new skinners can still submit their work. It will just be listed in the last pages and not cluttering up the higher rated, nicer looking skins in the first pages.

But that's just my opinion, and, if you dont like it, move along.

lol


Oh ya.... The files section... well, since it is not directly accessable, (and for christs sake, why isnt there a link on the first page of the site?), here is a link to the files section.

http://www.jediknightii.net/files/index.php?cat=21

BOOKMARK IT. Enjoy the sifting, there is alot to look through, but little worth looking at. Well, I wont say little. There is alot of decent skins, but few great ones. ALOT of umm... crap ones. lol

BradFu
05-29-2002, 05:19 PM
There's a link on the front page :) It's under a section that says "File Section" then it has two links that say Home and Search (as in File Section Home and File Section Search) :)

BradFu!

(IK) Lucifer
05-29-2002, 05:32 PM
*starts whistling*

Hey! Whats over there?

*Runs away*

lol I found the section by following the links at the top of the new skins pages, and I only looked for a brief moment for a link on the front, guess I missed it! I've been going there the long way all this time... oh well!

lol

Thanks.

Kirin
05-29-2002, 08:56 PM
Originally posted by UniKorn
Kirin, are you very experienced in UV unwrapping? I could use some help. A little bit ... haven't been modelling in a long time so I may have forgotten some aspects of a good UVunwrap. Just make skins on various mappings that have different styles into them. However, there's some tutorials out there that I would recommend on UVunwrapping:

HyPer's Gizmo tut: http://www.coronaleonis.com/tutorialgizmo/index.htm

Thornbird's Planar mapping tut: http://www.angelfire.com/tx3/Thornbird/uvmappingtut.html

You might also want to check on this resources thread at MapCenter: http://www.map-center.com/cgi-bin/ultimatebb.cgi?ubb=get_topic;f=3;t=000040

:)

spacermonkey
05-29-2002, 11:39 PM
I have to agree alot fo the skins imo shouldnt have been released, but then again I think most of the 'junk' that was produced was when jk2 had just been released and so in a rush to get new skins in game people just seemed to pump them out.
The work of a community is reflective of its ability to function well. The more experienced skinners here should give advice to the newb's, just as the newbs should be reading tutorials and posting flats of their skins for feedback.

Anyway you skinners should be getting in and doing skins for the custom models. I think it would be great to see some true variety of skins to be released with the new models that people are creating. As Kirin will know, when you get several artists working on their own interpretation of a model, it often results in some inspiring work that has somehting to suit everyone.

Jango_Fett82
05-30-2002, 12:49 AM
Hey Lucifer and Bradfu, thanks for the help with the file section
appreciate it

(IK) Lucifer
05-30-2002, 04:58 PM
No problem man. Someone should have told you a long time ago. It would been just as easy yo tell you as it was to smart off, some just love wasting thier time I guess. lol

UniKorn
05-31-2002, 07:07 AM
Originally posted by Kirin

HyPer's Gizmo tut: http://www.coronaleonis.com/tutorialgizmo/index.htm

Thornbird's Planar mapping tut: http://www.angelfire.com/tx3/Thornbird/uvmappingtut.html


Thx mate, I knew about the resource thread on mapcenter, but I never saw these 2. The second one seems a very complete explanation. It is not for me, but for one of the modellers in my team :) I'm just a mapper ;)

RavenSword X
05-31-2002, 08:59 AM
I will try to return to gist of the original issue,which is the criticism of submitted skins.

" Constructive Criticism" is the term that I think is appropriate,after all this is a "JediKnight MOD community"-a virtual "community" where ppl with the same interest or passion present and share(generously,openly) their ideas and works. For which I, for one ,am very grateful.

Granted, that there are some shoddily made skins
and have been appropriately critiqued but this is an OPEN forum,so it is expected that all types (good-bad,mediocre,weird,bizarre,original,outstanding) works from all range of skinning skills (beginner,amateur,professional) will be submitted.

There hasnt been any lack of constructive criticism in this forum(see other topics)some people have asked for it(usually from decent skinners),all very civil and informed ,even encouraging criticism.


That said,fair warning to all prospective skinners.Be prepared to take criticism for your work and be honest to yourself about your level of skill and familiarty with making skins and try not to take personally whatever critique
comes your way.

To all "would be" critics ,also be honest with your own skill and understanding of skinning and if you consider yourself good , or not give some "constructive criticism" ,some tips,hints, guidance.Forgive me for this ,but today's apprentice is the future master.......well,most of the time anyways,lol.

Nanodagiardino
05-31-2002, 10:01 AM
I think it would be great if skins could be reviewed by registered users with comments and critics directly on the files website. It would really create value for the skinners, both experts and beginners. People who submit very bad stuff would think twice about sending it in (getting shouted over by critics) would spend more time and effort trying to make their skins original etc. Good skinners could improve etc...

JK2files.com has something like this, dunno why it hasn't been implemented in jediknightii.net

Klorel
06-01-2002, 03:46 AM
"lets not fight and bicker about who killed who, this is supposed to be a happy occation" ~monty python and the holy grail

ok. well despite the fighting and bickering, I have to add in my thoughts :D and no, you dont have to be well known to post an opinion or provide criticism, just dont expect a warm reply if others aren't aware of your abilities. .i'd have to agree with absath. There are some bad skins out there, and perhaps they should be kept for home use only, but then again everyone is entitled to post thier version of "art". but if you are just doing it as a "test" to see if you could, and your not sure, post the skin on the forum for review before submitting it to a website for download. that way when you touch it up a bit, it will be better accepted, unless your one of those "don't care what others think of my art" types, which i too am at times. but just dont forget you have a whole community who wants to help you and if you post your skins we will provide criticism (hopefully constructive), and in the end if you choose to release your model, it will be better.

The problem with the skinners isn't going to be fixed, so i think the problem lies with the websites. perhaps they should be more organized in the way they present skins. I dont care (well i do) what the top 20 downloads are, i want to see the top 20 rated models. then again, that list would never change. perhaps they should have a thumbnail section with pictures of all the models, or several pages of 20 or so thumbnails of a certain type i.e. Ep. I II III IV V VI, outside starwars universe, mace windus, and modifications of the reborn :p I mean, it would take a while to look at, but then i'd be able to decide not to click on a bad model for a closer look in the first place.
Also they allow users to rate models, but they dont do anything with the ratings. maybe [unless the model is new - 1 week old] they should be sorted by rating. and no 1-5, we need something like 1-10 or 1-100, that way those who choose to look at the lower rated skins could. They should also probably have an origional models section too, for new models and the variations of the skins put on that specific model. Cause you know theres going to be a 1000 different types of Yodas, Wookies, and Mandalorians running around soon. I'd like to see the specific model's skins side by side, and choose only my favorites for download. :D

thats just my two 1/2 cents. :p

Phagocytizer
06-02-2002, 04:43 AM
I was wondering if it would be helpful to many if the skins sections was to be split into different categories such as "star wars skins" and "others". I dunno, just a thought. I guess it's because i'm the type of skinner that makes skins of other video game characters.