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DarthFallen_NYC
05-30-2002, 03:03 AM
I just heard that they cloned Darth Maul :darth: and that he will reappear in Ep3 as a member of the sith council next to Dooku, Darth Xiom, some other dark dude which name I forgot and vader. Later in the movie Vader:vadar: and Palpy:emperor: will fight Darth xio(who's btw the hottest chick i the galaxy), darth maul and 2 other sith members :lsduel: (not Dooku). It's not a fact but a roumor that had been going on after a interview with mr. lucas three weeks ago. Wouldn't that be awesome? Personally, I hope that this will be the case, especially seing vader in his armor fighting some dark jedis that wanted to betray palpy. EP3 is going to be huge and much darker than any other sw. What is known for a fact is that mace is going to die in a duel with 2 dark lords while Sacrificing himself for pregnant padme, yoda:yodaball: and ob1:aobi:. I think that's all I know, ... WAIT,... that other dude,...darth bane or something like is going to be seen for the first time. He's even older than yoda!!!!!!!!

Stealth_Shot
05-30-2002, 03:09 AM
you know none of that is ACTUAL fact (except Windu dying), its just speculation. I'd guess 90% of that stuff doesnt happen. Yes it would be cool, but.........

DarthFallen_NYC
05-30-2002, 03:11 AM
ne1 heard of darth Bane? he was once a jedi or something.

Jabbas WhOr3
05-30-2002, 03:22 AM
Bane was a sithy who made the rule ...."only 2 at a time" in relation to how many sith are visible at once.
something like that, the only thing I know of him was stuff written on these forums so! Whhheeeeeeeeeeee

Pedantic
05-30-2002, 05:02 AM
I like how you put the spoiler in the title and then give us a spoiler warning. Way to go! Good job, chief! ;) :rolleyes:

Joner
05-30-2002, 02:48 PM
I heard that rumor like 2 years ago! And since it's so old most likely nothing of it is going to happen. Except for the fact that many, if not all Jedi will die in that movie. Including one of my favorite new-Ep2-Jedi-characters: Kit Fisto!

Mobius47
05-30-2002, 03:31 PM
Originally posted by Joner
I heard that rumor like 2 years ago! And since it's so old most likely nothing of it is going to happen. Except for the fact that many, if not all Jedi will die in that movie. Including one of my favorite new-Ep2-Jedi-characters: Kit Fisto!

20 years ago we found out only 4 jedi survive:
2 light, obi-wan and yoda
2 dark, palpatine and anakin
+2 new, luke and leia skyrunner(note the pun that was funny, see it was suposed to be skyWALKER but i put skyRUNNER, the opposite, funny:p )

Darth Webster
05-30-2002, 03:43 PM
Well... they might not all die. Suposedly just before A New Hope, a number surviving members of the jedi counsel took off for parts unknown. It's specualted that they were heading for the galactic core. They left behind only enough Jedi (yoda and obie-one) to balance the Sith (Vader and Sidious). Thus, the whole proficy of "bringing balance to the force".
Maul is very unlikely to return. Originaly he was not cut inhalf by Obi. He was just stabbed and fell down the shaft. Apparently the people who saw the screening all felt that he was going to come back (and Lucas didn't want that), so changed it.
Also, it's specualted that Darth Bane was (will be?) killed on Dagoba by Yoda at the location of the dark tree. Bane was so powerful that his energy refused to re-join the force. Yoda used this to hide from the Sith since the dark power nutralized his light force "signature".
Just regurgetation some bits and pieces of Jedi lore, I've picked up (and I feel like such a geek!!). :rolleyes:

Robbiesan
05-30-2002, 07:35 PM
most interesting.. yep EP3 should be totally awesome

gonk-raider
05-31-2002, 04:45 AM
heres a spoiler for you YOU WILL ALL DIE ALONE

Boba Rhett
05-31-2002, 04:56 AM
Wow. How original of you, gonk-raider! *claps* Did you go to school to become that funny or did it just happen naturally? :rhett:

MUHAHAHAHAHA
05-31-2002, 05:25 AM
Well... it's pretty obvious that most of the Jedi will die in (or shortly after Episode 3).

Who knows about Maul, when/how Anakin "turns", etc. Those are all still up in the air while George Lucas figures it out.

According to Expanded Universe (yes I know it's not canon), During those times Yoda figured in stopping a swath of destruction cut by Dark Jedi from Bpfassh. One of these dark siders had gotten as far as Dagobah, were Yoda bested him in direct confrontation. The Bpfasshi Jedi died, his dark Force absorbing into and twisting a nearby tree -- forming a dark side nexus. It is believed that Yoda chose Dagobah as his hiding place due to the dark side energies emanating from the tree. From a distance, Force-users like the Emperor would not detect Yoda since the master's bright light side presence would be canceled by the Bpfasshi dark side presence.

Darth Bane was not (at least from any source that I've seen) from Bpfassh, so it was not him who Yoda faced on Dagobah. I heard somewhere that Darth Bane was the master of Sidious, before he died. Whether or not he is still alive during Episode I/II, is something only Lucas could probably answer.

I believe the first part of the story will focus on Anakin's relationships w/ Padme and Obi-Wan, and how those relationships change while the Clone War tears apart the galaxy. Then "THE fight" w/ Anakin challenging Obi-Wan. During (or shortly after this fight), Anakin gets gravely wounded, and only survives afterwards by using his breath mask ( :vader: ) and prosthetics. The pregnancy/birth of the twins will be a big plot event, and I think they will show how the remaining Jedi hide them from Anakin and Sidious.

Mes deux centimes....

Vestril
05-31-2002, 06:28 AM
Also, it's specualted that Darth Bane was (will be?) killed on Dagoba by Yoda at the location of the dark tree. Bane was so powerful that his energy refused to re-join the force. Yoda used this to hide from the Sith since the dark power nutralized his light force "signature".
Just regurgetation some bits and pieces of Jedi lore, I've picked up (and I feel like such a geek!!).


No, it won't be Darth Bane, since he died Thousands of years before--he was the first Sith to start the rule of 2. It could be one of those Dark Jedi Fellows though--the aforementioned 20. If GL actually did that Dagobah fight with a Dark Jedi (which is extrodinarily unlikely), it would completely redeem his EU bashing up until now, IMO

Also, has anyone pointed out that many of the Jedi have already been slaughtered (Arena fight) and that many more will die in the Clone Wars? Anakin is kind of a mop up effort...

Nebelwerfer_
05-31-2002, 07:14 AM
Who is this Darth Bane and darth xiom???
If they are EU characters and not created by GL, then don't expect to see them in EPIII. He is still yet to use EU characters in the movies, and with good reason.

BCanr2d2
05-31-2002, 07:24 AM
Well, from my sources in the SW EU world, Darth Bane was the one who created the "master and apprentice" rule for the Sith, after all the infighting by the massed Sith. This occured approx 1,000 years ago, basically when Windu states that the Sith have been extinct for a 1,000 years in Episode 1.
IF Bane is Sidious' master, then that means the Force is able to lengthen ones life, when all signs from Episode 2 show that someone strong in the Dark side of the Force ages quicker. We see that Yoda can live for 900 years, but he was a light side master.

And as for the name Skyrunner, something like this is used in the EU for the upcoming game Knights of the Old Republic...

~*H0ly_sHat*~
05-31-2002, 11:51 AM
hey DarthFallen, u did a really good job on the spoiler title there.... sheesh~! :mad:

Nebelwerfer_
05-31-2002, 06:54 PM
:ball: :violin: :ball: :violin:

Darth Webster
05-31-2002, 07:52 PM
I wouldn't worry too much about this being a spoiler... I kinda doubt that Maul will ever be seen again in the StarWars universe.

I'm glad of that too. Don't get me wrong, I really dug the character. He added a whole new dimention to the Sith. It would have been nice if they had cut the length of the pod race in half and used that time to explore Maul's character and the background of the Sith itself!
However, I would rather see something new in the next flick. Show me a Sith Witch! Bring on some backstory about Dark Sidious!

Pedantic
05-31-2002, 08:31 PM
Originally posted by Darth Webster
Dark Sidious!

AKA Darth Sidious :D

petezilla
06-02-2002, 09:00 AM
if you want to read a possible plot for ep3
type in starwars knightfall in a search engine.
it's a good scenario and everything falls neatly into place.

DarthFallen_NYC
06-02-2002, 01:43 PM
Thx, petezilla.
the plot is amazingly written.

Absath
06-03-2002, 03:05 PM
Darth Bane was Darth Sidious's master.



-Abs

techsurfer
06-03-2002, 03:13 PM
No he wasn't! Darth Bane was the only remaining Sith after they all killed each other in a huge power struggle. He invented the only 2 sith rule - a master & an apprentice and that once the apprentice was powerful enough he would kill his master and take his own apprentice. This all happened a millenia ago - Darth Bane was killed by his apprentice. Sidious is nowhere near that old because the Dark Side consumes you if you ge too powerful hence he is a rotting walking corpse in ROTJ!

Vestril
06-03-2002, 03:57 PM
Originally posted by Absath
Darth Bane was Darth Sidious's master.



-Abs

Teck says it all. No he wasn't.

JR128
06-03-2002, 04:31 PM
I guess I'll say it for everybody......

GEEKS!!!!!!!!!

That being said I'm sure we can all agree that the next movie will be not only really cool, but also highly lame. Just look at the last 2 movies out, which I liked both but hated both also.

Vestril
06-03-2002, 04:39 PM
Originally posted by JR128
I guess I'll say it for everybody......

GEEKS!!!!!!!!!

That being said I'm sure we can all agree that the next movie will be not only really cool, but also highly lame. Just look at the last 2 movies out, which I liked both but hated both also.

Thank you for that highly intellectual discourse on our personalities. Also, your intelligent review of AotC and TPM blew my mind. No really.

:rolleyes:

Nebelwerfer_
06-05-2002, 07:29 PM
so let me get this straight...
Do all of you guys know that those EU sith characters that Darth Fallen NYC was talking about are not going to be in the next movie. Not only does it contradict the movies by having more than 2 sith at once, but these are EU characters not created by GL. I don't think he has ever incorporated a EU character in any of his movies.

Vestril
06-05-2002, 07:36 PM
so let me get this straight...
Do all of you guys know that those EU sith characters that Darth Fallen NYC was talking about are not going to be in the next movie. Not only does it contradict the movies by having more than 2 sith at once, but these are EU characters not created by GL. I don't think he has ever incorporated a EU character in any of his movies.

I doubt the characters he's mentioned will be involved, but it's possible that there will be multiple Dark Jedi in the next one--the rule of two isn't something that has to be upheld.

I kind of doubt it though, since they weren't at all mentioned in AotC...it would seem kind of random to just throw in a gaggle of Dark Jedi...

Russk Rijann
06-05-2002, 08:15 PM
does the two sith rule mean there can only ever be two sith, or does it mean only two can appear at once? (to like course mischief and all round nastynesss :D )

eben15
06-15-2002, 04:34 AM
If Darth Bane, for whatever reason is to appear in ep3, who should play him? We would need an actor badass enough to play the guy that trains the emperor. Im thinking Christopher Walken. and it would probably be a flashback scene. any ideas?






The path of the righteous man is beset on all sides by the inequities of the selfish and the tyranny of evil men. Blessed is he who in the name of charity and goodwill , shepherds the weak through the valley of darkness , for he is truly his brother keeper , and the finder of lost children , and I will strike down upon thee with great vengeance and furious anger those who attempt to poison and destroy my brothers! And you will know My name is the Lord when I lay My vengeance upon thee!

Nebelwerfer_
06-21-2002, 03:38 PM
Im thinking Christopher Walken. and it would probably be a flashback scene.
flashback scenes dont really fit in with the starwars movies... have you ever seen one in any of them?

MasterD-LeyAmas
06-21-2002, 03:53 PM
1)Darth Bane has been dead for more than 900 years by the time of Ep1.

2)Maul will never be put back in the story, unless GL really wants to stretch, and make him float around like the dark jedi Maw did in Jedi Knight 1 (which I severely doubt).

3)It IS possible that Darth Sidious was Darth Bane's apprentice, however unlikely. If you know about the EU, Darth Sidious, even though the dark side does kill him slowly, has survived for many years (centuries?) by making clones of himself and using an ancient Sith black art to transfer himself from host to host.

4)The one EU character that I can think of that has appeared in the movies (only in the special edition OT) is Aurra Sing. She is shown in a brief clip on Tatooine in ANH.

5)Don't believe every little rumor you hear about the next Star Wars movie. This "spoiler" sounds like a load of BS someone made up just for the sake of starting a rumor.

Just clearing things up.

MasterD-LeyAmas
06-21-2002, 04:35 PM
But I do think that Darth Sidious had a different master...

Oh, and to JR128: I don't say this often but, scr** off. If you don't like the chat, get outta the forum.

Zindell
06-21-2002, 04:40 PM
The master of Darth Sidious was Darth Imperius...

MasterD-LeyAmas
06-21-2002, 04:43 PM
Thank you Zindell, I didn't know the name, I was just stating that it was technically possible for Bane to be Sidious's master (yet very unlikely).

Zindell
06-21-2002, 04:45 PM
As it's been stated before it was truly impossible, He died 900 years before the phantom menace. I know the emperor looks old but he's not 900 years old.

Redwing
06-21-2002, 04:51 PM
Originally posted by MasterD-LeyAmas
1)Darth Bane has been dead for more than 900 years by the time of Ep1.

2)Maul will never be put back in the story, unless GL really wants to stretch, and make him float around like the dark jedi Maw did in Jedi Knight 1 (which I severely doubt).

3)It IS possible that Darth Sidious was Darth Bane's apprentice, however unlikely. If you know about the EU, Darth Sidious, even though the dark side does kill him slowly, has survived for many years (centuries?) by making clones of himself and using an ancient Sith black art to transfer himself from host to host.

4)The one EU character that I can think of that has appeared in the movies (only in the special edition OT) is Aurra Sing. She is shown in a brief clip on Tatooine in ANH.

5)Don't believe every little rumor you hear about the next Star Wars movie. This "spoiler" sounds like a load of BS someone made up just for the sake of starting a rumor.

Just clearing things up.

I'm afraid you got Dash Rendar's Outrider mixed up with Aurra Sing...Aurra appeared in The Phantom Menace observing a podrace scene. :D

Zindell
06-21-2002, 05:11 PM
She also fought in attack of the clones.

MasterD-LeyAmas
06-21-2002, 05:14 PM
Yeah, you're right Redwing. It's quarter after 4:00am here, and I was drunk earlier, I'm slipping. There was two EU characters put into the special edition OT. My bad.

MaTT[-FcG-]
06-23-2002, 12:15 AM
Originally posted by Nebelwerfer_
Who is this Darth Bane and darth xiom???
If they are EU characters and not created by GL, then don't expect to see them in EPIII. He is still yet to use EU characters in the movies, and with good reason.

Aayla secura anyone? FYI Aayla was a character in the SW comics... Lucas took one look at her and thought 'wow... she has to go into episode 2'!!! Hence she appears briefly in the end jedi battle sequence...

Arca Jeth
06-23-2002, 09:31 AM
All I know of the first post being true is that Windu will die. But I disagree with you about Darth Bane making the 2 sith rule...last i heard it was Exar Kun...but another thing is that all the council will either be killed or banished(Plo Koon and some other guy should be killed in one seen...unless dman George Lucas cuts that out like he did most of the good scenes in EP.2)

Nebelwerfer_
06-23-2002, 05:58 PM
Aayla secura anyone? FYI Aayla was a character in the SW comics... Lucas took one look at her and thought 'wow... she has to go into episode 2'!!! Hence she appears briefly in the end jedi battle sequence...

Jesus Rodriguez!!!
Do you know how long Aayla secura was in AOTC??? about a fricken second and you have to look closely to see her, also, same with aura sing... 1 fricking second and they have no important roles in either movie. Do you know why lucas put them in the movies??? he's just throwing you EU diehards a bone so you dont get mad that he justfully contradicts EU in his movies.

1)Owen lars is NOT obiwans brother
2)boba fett is not jaster mereal, a journyman, he's boba fett!
3)bevel lemelisk did not design the deathstar, the geonoshans did

All you guys talking about darth bane, darth impirius can go blather on and on about what you think but the proof speaks for itself that lucas doesn't give a rats behind about the EU. That's probly why Aura sing wasn't even in AOTC, lucas probly took her out late in the developmental stage of the movie so that EU dorks dont think that stupid EU characters like darth bane and darth blah blah blah will have an important role in the movies (the only real starwars canon.)


the crap made up by no-name authors in the EU is different from the movies when it comes to origins of the main characters.

MasterD-LeyAmas
06-23-2002, 06:30 PM
Originally posted by Arca Jeth
All I know of the first post being true is that Windu will die. But I disagree with you about Darth Bane making the 2 sith rule...last i heard it was Exar Kun...but another thing is that all the council will either be killed or banished(Plo Koon and some other guy should be killed in one seen...unless dman George Lucas cuts that out like he did most of the good scenes in EP.2)

http://www.starwars.com/databank/organization/thesith/index.html

It was Darth Bane that made the rule of 2.

And Newbelwerfer, you're right on all of those points (#1-3), but we do know that GL at least has a final say in what gets written in the EU books, as the authors have to license the characters through Lucasfilm. And starwars.com, the site run by Lucasfilm, contains most of the information on the EU, and works it into the story. We may never see it in the movies, but it does all get GL's "thumb's up".

Bungalow
06-23-2002, 06:57 PM
George Lucas does have to sign papers giving the ok
but I highly doubt he reads it

Mr PoopyPants
06-24-2002, 07:33 AM
Originally posted by gonk-raider
heres a spoiler for you YOU WILL ALL DIE ALONE

HAHA! Somebody saw Conan with the segment "Attack Of The Nerds" by Triumph

Kurgan
06-24-2002, 08:18 AM
Hear me out... Darth Bane was mentioned in the TPM novelisation. The novelisations OF THE OFFICIAL FILMS are considered canon after said films and official screenplays. So, as long as nothing in the films contradicts these events and characters, they are canon.

So Darth Bane is real, unless Episode 3 rules it out. I'd never heard of Aurra Sing until TPM, where she appeared briefly, I never saw her in Episode 2. I guess I'd need to watch the DVD frame by frame to be sure...

Boreas
06-24-2002, 08:46 AM
The whole concept of Dark Jedi is EU.

In the movies, the bad guys are always Sith.

wily888
06-24-2002, 09:18 AM
Just something to mention: GL might not take many charcters from EU, but he did get Coruscant from the Timothy Zahn series of novels.

Cal-Gon Gin
06-24-2002, 09:33 AM
Originally posted by Nebelwerfer_


Jesus Rodriguez!!!
Do you know how long Aayla secura was in AOTC??? about a fricken second and you have to look closely to see her, also, same with aura sing... 1 fricking second and they have no important roles in either movie. Do you know why lucas put them in the movies??? he's just throwing you EU diehards a bone so you dont get mad that he justfully contradicts EU in his movies.



Actually, I thought he was throwing female fans a (small, dried out) bone. How hard would it be to give a female Jedi one frigging line in a film?!?

Jedi_Monk
06-24-2002, 11:45 AM
Hear me out... Darth Bane was mentioned in the TPM novelisation. The novelisations OF THE OFFICIAL FILMS are considered canon after said films and official screenplays. So, as long as nothing in the films contradicts these events and characters, they are canon.
Quite the contrary... I've said it once and I'll probably end up saying it a thousand more times: The RotJ novelization has major contradictions with the movies. None of the SW books are canon.

http://members.aol.com/dannilalfletch/Jedi_Monk.jpg

Nebelwerfer_
06-24-2002, 04:01 PM
So Darth Bane is real, unless Episode 3 rules it out. I'd never heard of Aurra Sing until TPM, where she appeared briefly, I never saw her in Episode 2. I guess I'd need to watch the DVD frame by frame to be sure...

Aura Sing can be seen during the pod races scene (say that 10 times fast):D
she is tall and light blue and bald except for a big pony tale that sticks up and a big rifle slung over her shoulder.

And about the novelizations... yah, even though they're a novel of the real movies which are considered cannon, the minute the author (salvatore) changes the most minute thing from the movie, it's NOT cannon. Just go read his version of ROTJ, or in his novel of ESB, wes jansen crashes into the head of a AT-AT killing him and his gunner, and It also says that boba fett was a mandalor supercommando (whom jedi defeated during clone wars) AOTC prooved that wrong.