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Divine Spirit
05-31-2002, 08:30 PM
Who would win in a one-on-one space battle: a Death Star with the full amount of ships and troops or the Sun Crusher piloted by none other than Kyp Durron?

I really don't know who because although the Sun Crusher can destroy a system it will have to charge up its weapons and by that time the Death Star may have launched all of its firepower against the Sun Crusher. If the Sun Crusher got pummeled by laser blasts all of its canons could be destroyed which leaves it with only one weapon, the system destroying missiles! Do you think Kyp Durron could survive long enough for his weapons to charge up and blow the Death Star to pieces? Would he blow the Death Star up and then not have any canons to defeat the remaining star fighters?


Divine Spirit

Pedantic
05-31-2002, 08:34 PM
Death Star, no contest. That superlaser would cut him down so fast, he wouldn't know what hit him.

luke12946
05-31-2002, 08:35 PM
well considering the Sun Crushers armor is supposedly indestructable, well i dont think the death star has much of a chance. if i remember right, didnt they ram it through the bridge of a Star Destroyer and came out perfectly fine? i could be wrong...i havent read the books in 4 years

Woad
05-31-2002, 08:36 PM
If Kyp could get a shot off immediatley he might have a chance. But then again, I don't really remember how the Sun Crusher worked: like for example if it functioned by triggering some sort of chemical reaction within a star to collapse it, such a weapon might have no effect on the Deathstar.

Pedantic
05-31-2002, 08:43 PM
Originally posted by Woad
If Kyp could get a shot off immediatley he might have a chance. But then again, I don't really remember how the Sun Crusher worked: like for example if it functioned by triggering some sort of chemical reaction within a star to collapse it, such a weapon might have no effect on the Deathstar.

I believe the Sun Crusher's weapons do work in this fashion.

And ramming a Star Destroyer's bridge is slightly different than withstanding a beam that can destroy a planet.

luke12946
05-31-2002, 08:44 PM
it used packets of energy to make the core of the star unstable, then made a massive chain rearction...and yes, the armor was near industructable- even the pressure on Yavin couldnt destroy it, it was only destroyed when it went into a black hole

i got that stuff from a book on the ships and weapons...so i could be wrong, but i doubt it :D

luke12946
05-31-2002, 08:46 PM
well one question would be if the Death Star could actually hit the sun crusher. sure, it can hit a planet or a ship...but the Crusher was no bigger than a star fighter...so he could fly circles around the Death Star and not worry about getting hit

-=Darkflame=-
05-31-2002, 09:15 PM
sun crusher wil win no questions asked


the sun crusher has 2 weapons canons and launchtube

bu extensive firing on the litle ship it coul lose its canons but launch tubes would stay in tact


as the armor is indestructable the super laser of a death star wouldnt be able to hurt it much exept for pushing it far away
sun crusher is indestrucktable because it took a black hole to destroy it it was parked in a sun befor and... well kyp puled it out just fine I think a whole sun wil do more damage that a stupid super laser I dont want to know what would hapen if you parked earth in the sun


so kyp fil load up his misile kill the sun super nova wil wipe out death star + whole fleet


by the way remember kyp is a jedi and death star has just stupid troopers in it and such

StAtilXl
05-31-2002, 09:16 PM
suncrusher easily

Divine Spirit
05-31-2002, 09:33 PM
driving the Sun Crusher through the bridge of a star destroyer is nothing like plowing it through the moon sized sphere of the Death Star

he can easily dodge a death star laser beam unless the DS managed to get closed to him or it was really really lucky

remember, it is possible that the Death Star traps the Sun Crusher in its tractor beams!! i think? :confused: :D


Divine Spirit

Vestril
05-31-2002, 10:07 PM
I curse KJA for causing this argument. I curse him 1000 times.

The Death Star would lock him in a tractor beam until he starved and died.

matt--
05-31-2002, 11:10 PM
Originally posted by -=Darkflame=-
sun crusher wil win no questions asked


the sun crusher has 2 weapons canons and launchtube

bu extensive firing on the litle ship it coul lose its canons but launch tubes would stay in tact


as the armor is indestructable the super laser of a death star wouldnt be able to hurt it much exept for pushing it far away
sun crusher is indestrucktable because it took a black hole to destroy it it was parked in a sun befor and... well kyp puled it out just fine I think a whole sun wil do more damage that a stupid super laser I dont want to know what would hapen if you parked earth in the sun


so kyp fil load up his misile kill the sun super nova wil wipe out death star + whole fleet


by the way remember kyp is a jedi and death star has just stupid troopers in it and such
Punctuation is your firend. :)

iguelmay
05-31-2002, 11:32 PM
Okay guys, resident star wars geek entering now :biggs:

Sun Crusher:
The sun crusher is a small craft slightly larger than a star fighter eqiupped with quantum armor which is pretty much indestructable. It's special ability is the ability to make stars go Super Nova. It is also eqiupped with 6 laser cannons, just for kicks. luke12946 was right, the sun crusher uses its special torpedoes (the exact name escapes me at the moment) to release packets of energy in to the core of a star and make it go nova.
Pros: fast, small. Indestructable, can blow star systems up with one shot.
Cons: it takes a few hours for the star to actually go nova.

Death Star:
Giant battle station, size of a small moon (~120km in diamater) with the ability to destroy planets using its super laser. Houses thousands of TIE fighters, and stormtroopers. Is pretty much covered in Turbo-laser emplacments. The Death Star's super laser is actually only a few km long, but most of the mass houses defensive emplacements and troop quarters.
Pros: can destroy planets in a single blast, lots of fighters, well defended
Cons: Slow (basically stays in orbit all day).

The fight:
Scenario 1
The death star would have a VERY hard time hitting the suncrusher with the super laser. Even if the sun crusher was sitting still, the Death Star was designed to hit planets, not fighters. The sun crusher pilot would probably launch a torpedo immediatly into the sun. The death star would probablly launch all of its fighters to try to blow up the sun crusher (eye balls, Squints, and dupes). These fighter waves would be unsucessful (garunteed). The Death star at this point has the option to high tail it outa there using its hyper drive... however if the suncrusher manages to destroy it's hyperdrive (possible by ramming the suncrusher right though the super structure) the Death Star Looses.

Advantage: Sun Crusher

Scenario 2
Sun crusher eneters the system where the death star is in orbit... Rams its way though the super structure to the reactor core... blows up reactor using torpedoes.... flys away from the rubble

Advantage: Sun Crusher

Scenario 3:

Death Star somehow manages to hit Sun Crusher with super laser. Consequences: Unknown, the sun crusher has never been tried against that kind of energy blast. Even Kyp Durron didn't want to get hit by the prototype death star's laser, and the prototypes laser was much weaker than the finished version.

Advantage: ???

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wow, i'm such a geek.

Vestril
06-01-2002, 01:15 AM
You only wish you were a geek--I hate this debate, I think the Sun Crusher should have never existed and that KJA should be burned at the stake (ok...that's harsh, crisped at the stake :p)--but I'm still involved in it, just because I think you're wrong.

The Sun Crusher couldn't ram through any part of the Death Star. The Death Star could catch it a LONG way out. Look at how far away the Falcon was in ANH when she got caught in a tractor beam. Damnably far away. They could hold the Sun Crusher as long as they wanted, wait until there weren't any life signs, and then reel her in.

End of fight.

The best the Sun Crusher could hope for is a stalemate, by blowing up Systems the Death Star was in, and watching as they both ran away.

igor
06-01-2002, 04:13 AM
Since the Sun Crusher is almost indestructable, Kyp could just fly into the reactor and blow up the Death Star.

Kurgan
06-01-2002, 04:33 AM
Hmm, is Darth Vader along? Grab the Sun Crusher in a tractor beam (far off) and then trick the Sun Crusher pilot into answering a transmission from the Death Star.

While he's talking, have Vader choke him to death. Presto! Free weapon!

Divine Spirit
06-01-2002, 01:05 PM
Vestril: stop bad mouthing the Sun Crusher! ill get good ole Kev to come round ur house and beat u up in a minute!!

Vestril
06-01-2002, 07:11 PM
Originally posted by Divine Spirit
Vestril: stop bad mouthing the Sun Crusher! ill get good ole Kev to come round ur house and beat u up in a minute!!

Please do, at least I could spit in his face for creating such a poor character and cheesy vehicle before he whupped me...

I swear KJA said to himself 'I'll create the uber-Jedi and the uber-Ship, that way no one will ever be better than me' then he laughed a horrible, nasal laugh. Oh you know the kind I mean. Why does he exist?????? :(

Divine Spirit
06-01-2002, 08:31 PM
i would hardly call Kyp Durron an uber jedi! what makes you say he is? but i have to admit, the Sun Crusher was a wee bit too powerful! :D


Divine Spirit

Clem
06-01-2002, 08:41 PM
which books the sun crusher in? i heard of it from i jedi i believe but not much about it ....

also to person above ... the sun crusher was in yavin not a sun .... yavin is a gas giant much like jupiter ... big gas pressure ...

neway

Clem

Vestril
06-01-2002, 08:45 PM
Originally posted by Divine Spirit
i would hardly call Kyp Durron an uber jedi! what makes you say he is? but i have to admit, the Sun Crusher was a wee bit too powerful! :D


Divine Spirit

Anderson gave him more strength in the Force than Luke, he wanted his little EU character to be the most powerful one out there.

--Edit--

Oh, the Sun Crusher was in the Jedi Academy Trilogy, which is set at the same time as I, Jedi

Divine Spirit
06-01-2002, 08:57 PM
Originally posted by Vestril
Anderson gave him more strength in the Force than Luke, he wanted his little EU character to be the most powerful one out there.

he had more power than luke? thats crazy!!

i just did an image search on google for KJA and it appears the police have found out about him abusing the SW universe:

http://www.houseatreides.com/authors/kevin-anderson.jpg

:D


Divine Spirit

-=Darkflame=-
06-01-2002, 08:59 PM
could be its been a long time cince iv read the books



to the one searching the books about the sun crusher im pritty sure it was the "jedi academy" trilogy

Vestril
06-01-2002, 09:03 PM
Originally posted by Divine Spirit


he had more power than luke? thats crazy!!

i just did an image search on google for KJA and it appears the police have found out about him abusing the SW universe:


:D


Divine Spirit

Thank goodness, the madness can end.

The source for that image reminded me that I was going to read more of the Dune series, but there's no point, since KJA is on the scene :(

Olin Valden
06-02-2002, 11:43 AM
well lets see, Sun Crusher makes stars go nova destroying everythiong in the system, while the death star just kills the planet. I Isay sun crusher not only beause of that but its hull.

Mr.T Kicks Ass
06-02-2002, 11:50 AM
As long as the Sun Crusher charges it's weapons beforehand, than the death star does'nt stand a prayer of a chance.

iguelmay
06-05-2002, 12:28 AM
in the even the sun crusher foolishly gets trapped in the tractor beam.... simply launch a missle at the beam. The beam homes in on the missle... the missle blows up the tractor beam projector, and bam...
besides, the suncrusher would shoot the stars before it approached the deathstar, assuring victory no matter what.

Jedi_Monk
06-05-2002, 03:40 AM
I curse KJA for causing this argument. I curse him 1000 times.
I concur with Vestril.

The SW authors are way too superweapon-crazy... the Deathstar Prototype, the Suncrusher, the Darksaber--wait... those're all KJA...

KJA killed SW lit, Hambly stuffed it into the coffin, Tyres nailed said coffin and Hambly (AGAIN!) burried it deep in the cold-cold ground.

Vestril
06-05-2002, 03:56 AM
I honestly don't know why they let Hambly write another book after Children of the Jedi. That was the only Star Wars book I started but couldn't finish. I honestly threw it away after getting about halfway through. I don't know why I bought Planet of Twilight...but I did. It wasn't as bad, it only made me want to cry...

defalc
06-05-2002, 04:01 AM
Originally posted by iguelmay
in the even the sun crusher foolishly gets trapped in the tractor beam.... simply launch a missle at the beam. The beam homes in on the missle... the missle blows up the tractor beam projector, and bam...
besides, the suncrusher would shoot the stars before it approached the deathstar, assuring victory no matter what.
The beam homes in on the missile? :p

Erm, if missiles were that advance, then Luke would've had an even easier time blowing up the Death Star.

And suncrusher shoots the stars beforehand? Who says they're near a star when they fight? :D

Vestril
06-05-2002, 07:48 AM
Erm, if missiles were that advance, then Luke would've had an even easier time blowing up the Death Star.

Yup, and no one will try to debate that one, since anyone who knows the Sun Crusher also knows that it had a hard time even blowing up a skeleton of the Death Star...

Vladimir_Berkov
06-05-2002, 08:20 AM
Death Star. No contest. Think of it this way. The Death Star is like an aircraft carrier. It can project power. Put the Death Star somewhere and it dominates the surrounding space.

The Suncrusher can only do one thing, destroy a star. In a setting with no stars, it has absolutly no real offensive ability. Plus, the Suncrusher cannot project power, other than the threat of destroying a sun. Enemy ships can simply evade the Suncrusher, whereas enemy ships cannot evade a Death Star and its complement of starfighters. The Suncrusher is basically an "all or nothing" weapon. It can destroy a sun, and its attendant planets, or it can just sit there. A Death Star has levels of force available, from sending out boarding parties to blasting away starships, to destroying planets.

Now, what about a fight between the two? It has been some time since I have read the book with the Suncrusher, and I don't really want to reread it because it wasn't very good. The suncrusher is not especially fast, and lacks momentum because it is so small. The anti-star weapons on the Suncrusher will not work on the Death Star, so the only offensive option of the Suncrusher is to ram the Death Star. The only problem is, that this ramming will kill every living thing aboard the Suncrusher, even if the ship itself survives. The g-forces created once it impacts the surface of the Death Star would not be surviveable by the inhabitants, because in order for the Suncrusher to even penetrate the surface to an appreciable degree the Suncrusher's velocity would need to be absurdly high, again because of the Suncrusher's low mass.

Plus, from what I have read there is no way that the Suncrusher even has the engine power or speed to impact the Death Star in a fatal manner. Let's say the collision digs a 10 km hole into the Death Star. That is merely a nick, something which woudn't even cripple the Death Star (unless it hit the primary weapon) and would certainly not place it in any danger of destruction. In the end, you would have a Suncrusher with dead occupants embedded somewhere in the Death Star, where it could be fished out and studied by the Death Star technicians at their leisure.