Three questions about Vader?

[bigDAN456]

First off, how can he eat? If he takes his mask off he will die, right? The only solution I can think of is that he lives off of a totally liquid diet and that he drinks through one of his breathing holes.

Second, How does he bathe? Don't tell me he just stopped taking baths when he got the suit.

And finally, why doesn't he use lighting bolts? Dooku and Palpy did. Two reasons I can think of is that both of his hands are robitic so that obivousy wont work. Or second, the bolts wont go through his gloves.

[Soulless]

1, his mouth isnt disfigured, so he probably lifts a flap up or something

2: one word, Jet Wash :D

3: He probably doesn't know how...

[greedo626]

no no no. :rolleyes:

1st of all: "he's more machine now than man" Obi Wan said that. It means he dosen't eat.

2nd: why would he need to bathe? he in a frickin black suit all the time. but he does bathe. in Shadows of the Empire it talks about him bathing in him meditation chamber which is like his suit but a room... with a bath in it... you get it.

3rd: he can't use lightning because he put all his force into grip, jump, and saber throw.


:D :ewok: :fett: :jawa

[Datheus]

Well, I think a 1 or 2 times in The Empire Strikes Back... it shows Vader in a little globe thingy wtih his helmet just being put on... so I think he does most of his stuff that has to be done with out his gear in there... *shrugs*

[bigDAN456]

Vader's the man, I'd like to know more about him.
Does anyone know where I can find a diagram of his suit?

[Murdoch]

Star Wars Technical Journal by Shane Johnson. Dunno if you can find any on the net though.

[acdcfanbill]

Shadows of the Empire has a snippet about him in his personal chamber...

[Absath]

the suit sustains life, but he can take off the helmet in his protective chambers. he can probably eat.....what im wondering what he does when it passes through his system....that suit has got to be worse than getting all bundled up in the winter to go out sledding, then stepping out the door and realizing you have to take a leak....



-Abs

[c.d.]

maybe the suit has a special cathader ;)

[Pedantic]

Ummm...that's "catheter"...FYI

[Jedi_Monk]

Thought I'd jump in and toss out my $0.02. When Vader's mask comes off in RotJ, you can see these two little tubes sticking up on both sides of his mouth. I don't know if this is correct according to the technical journal, but they look an aweful lot like the feeder tubes that astronauts eat through when they're suited up.

As for lightning, I can only assume a) Palpatine was holding that little trick back from Vader in hopes that his apprentice wouldn't kill him too soon, or b) what bigDAN said.

[Clem]

y does every1 assume that the way JO works is "real"

u dont have special jedi powers like grip and sabre throw ... its just how u maipulate matter ... maybe vader does like lightning and prefers to kill his opponents with his sabre or with a little throat crushing

Clem

[BCanr2d2]

Those two little things near his mouth are microphones for his voice, which is quite weak once the helmet is off..

1: According to most EU sources, Vader only has a flesh head and lungs, which use a respirator to help him breath. So he is quite a lot more machine than man by the end, a cyborg, which in essence what he is, doesn't really need food. But we are talking about a movie character, so it's not a relevant thing to show in a movie how a character like Vader would eat.
Most likely, with other posters, he would have a permanent catheter to put the required nutrients into him, if he needs them.

2: The need to bathe would mean that the skin would get dirty, sweaty, or actually have a need to be bathed. Haven't read enough EU about Vader to know if he did take medicinal baths to help recover from the injuries sustained before A New Hope.

3: Do we really ever see Vaders true powers in any SW movie? I think not. He uses a force choke on a few of the Imperial Officers, but I think he uses more of an overbearing approach that he doesn't really have to use those powers, just scare people into doing things...

[Trahern Valley]

1. He doesn't eat. He barely has a body to sustain to begin with, and what little flesh is left can easily be supplied by the suit. Probably controlled by the thingamy on his chest.

2. He doesn't bathe. Considering the damage his head seemed to have taken, he no longer sweats, grows hair, or anything that requires personal grooming.

3. Lightning needs a source, and the force doesn't flow from mechanical fingertips.

I think those bitmebobs were pointed at his nose; why would he need two microphones? The voicebox was at chin level and didn't come away with the rest of the mask, if I'm not mistaken.

Oh, and his voice is weak because he was dying, you know...

[bigDAN456]

Originally posted by BCanr2d2
Those two little things near his mouth are microphones for his voice, which is quite weak once the helmet is off..

1: According to most EU sources, Vader only has a flesh head and lungs, which use a respirator to help him breath. So he is quite a lot more machine than man by the end, a cyborg, which in essence what he is, doesn't really need food. But we are talking about a movie character, so it's not a relevant thing to show in a movie how a character like Vader would eat.
Most likely, with other posters, he would have a permanent catheter to put the required nutrients into him, if he needs them.

2: The need to bathe would mean that the skin would get dirty, sweaty, or actually have a need to be bathed. Haven't read enough EU about Vader to know if he did take medicinal baths to help recover from the injuries sustained before A New Hope.

3: Do we really ever see Vaders true powers in any SW movie? I think not. He uses a force choke on a few of the Imperial Officers, but I think he uses more of an overbearing approach that he doesn't really have to use those powers, just scare people into doing things...

Actully, in ROJ when he picks of the emperor you can see his skeleton for a second, so obviosly he isn't all machine.

[Robbiesan]

interesting stuff folks.. one thing to keep in mind here regarding the force is the story teller's perspective of what the force is.. the use of the force per the stories is up to each character's mastery and preference.. who's to say if Vader could have used lightning or not.. in the movies he didn't but that doesn't mean he couldn't.. since both organic and inorganic matter are based upon the same subatomic 'stuff' each is capable of chaneling the hugearss charge of lightning.. I'd say the difference is in the mind's use of the force..

[Robert_Dark]

I remember reading somewhere, when TESB first came out so it was a long time a go (but not in a galaxy....you know the rest) that Vader's 'meditation sphere' was the only place where he could be without his mask.
Presumably he eats/sleeps/washes/whatever else there.

[Jabbas WhOr3]

Why did that thing he sat in look like a big scary metal ball with teeth? Imagine if he got his cape stuck! arrggg "SOmeone stop the door"!!!!

[Kurgan]

The part about Vader's skeleton is key, see Curtis Saxon's "Star Wars Technical Commentaries" site for more details.

(there's a link on stardestroyer.net ).

Yes, Vader's meditation chamber (he obviously would have more than one, like on his personal shuttle, etc) would provide for all his needs. For all we know he has a team of doctors and stuff too (maybe droids).

As far as Lightning, well maybe it just isn't his style. Notice we don't ever see Palpatine use a lightsaber. Just different techniques and abilities. Maybe he never had time to master the technique. Or perhaps there was some danger that it would ruin his suit? Who knows...

Incidentally, in Splinter of the Mind's Eye, Vader uses another projectile type power (halfway between lightning and destruction) through his hand. I'm sure a Jedi could channel the Force even through cybernetic parts. Or are you telling me that Luke can only Force pull with his "good" hand?

Otherwise that would be a great way to remove a Jedi's force attack ability, just cut off both his hands! Boom! Notice that Vader chokes and pulls and does all sorts of stuff with his hands in the movies, so obviously it doesn't matter if they're all or partially mechanical.

[iguelmay]

i have 2 theories to why vader doesn't use lightning:
1. Vader thinks lightning is lame and he fights with just his saber.

2. Fancy lightning effects back in the late 70's and early 80's were expensive, tedious, and not really worth it, so they didn't bother. Thats why saber fights are so much cooler in EP I/II... stick the jedi in a harness and have them flying all over the place... and then just CG in special effects.

[Trahern Valley]

He has a point about the lightning...just look at the original Highlander movie!

The choreography during the saber fights has definitely been improved in the new movies. Sir Alec couldn't jump about, Prowse must have found the Vadersuit constrictive, and Hamill was just crap. CG does free up the imagination when it comes to filmmaking, but I'd rather see the harness/wires CG'd out of the shot, than a CG character force jumping to a higher walkway.

[bigDAN456]

Another question, Why did he choose the name Vader?
Will we find this out in ep3?

[Pedro The Hutt]

Originally posted by bigDAN456
Another question, Why did he choose the name Vader?
Will we find this out in ep3?
Funnily enough.. Vader is dutch for "father" *HINT HINT*
And then about the saber fights, as Lucas said "All the original trilogy had to offer was a bunch of crippled old men waving lightsabers about and youngsters who were trained by these old men." So we can't really blame Luke for being crap.. he had no one decent to instruct him in the ways of fast and furious saber combat.

[Tiran Dev]

Pedro, that last comment brings up a question that i have,...
Who trained Luke in the arts of lightsaber combat?? In any of the movies, is it actually shown that he trains with it other than with that remote drone that flies around and shoots bolts at him. I can only assume Skywalker is self-taught, or perhapse his training was just implied in the original trilogy???

Any comments?

[Kurgan]

Actually they could have had Luke and Vader doing "acrobatics" on wires in the original films. Ever see "Peter Pan"? It's not like that technology is new or anything.

It just wasn't "en vogue" back then to do that in sword-fight scenes.

Now that we've seen movies like "Blade," "The Matrix" and "Crouching Tiger Hidden Dragon" make piles of money in the American mainstream, George just had to jump on the ol' bandwagon.

At least he didn't shake the camera like a madman and put half the battle in slow motion like SOME directors (sheesh)!

Then again, as far as Lightsaber duels in the Prequels, we really haven't seen any "in their prime" characters except maybe Obi-Wan. The rest are all padawans and "old men" (Yoda? Dooku? HELLO!) Just not crippled (yet...). ; )

[bigDAN456]

Originally posted by Pedro The Hutt

Funnily enough.. Vader is dutch for "father" *HINT HINT*
And then about the saber fights, as Lucas said "All the original trilogy had to offer was a bunch of crippled old men waving lightsabers about and youngsters who were trained by these old men." So we can't really blame Luke for being crap.. he had no one decent to instruct him in the ways of fast and furious saber combat.

Still, is there a reason he chose that name? And for that matter why Darth Maul choose the name Maul and the same question goes for Sidious and Tyrannus.

[Russk Rijann]

If im not mistaken a Sith Apprentice's name is chosen by his master. A self taught Dark Jedi or sith simply chooses one for himself. (if i'm not mistaken)

[Pedro The Hutt]

Originally posted by Tiran Dev
Pedro, that last comment brings up a question that i have,...
Who trained Luke in the arts of lightsaber combat?? In any of the movies, is it actually shown that he trains with it other than with that remote drone that flies around and shoots bolts at him. I can only assume Skywalker is self-taught, or perhapse his training was just implied in the original trilogy???

Any comments?

hmm.. you might be right there. Perhaps he wasn't trained at all, and if that's the case, we shouldn't be complaining at all about Luke's saber combat skills. I sure as hell wouldn't become that good on my own ^_^"

[bigDAN456]

Originally posted by Russk Rijann
If im not mistaken a Sith Apprentice's name is chosen by his master. A self taught Dark Jedi or sith simply chooses one for himself. (if i'm not mistaken)

Where did you hear this?

[crackhighmonkey]

I heard that Vader was chosen as said before because of the whole dutch father thing but also because it sounds a bit like inVADER.
Maybe him not using lightning is to show he's not AS evil as the emperor?
I've not read the books so i cant comment on any EU stuff, but then they aint canon anyway are they?

On another note, does anyone know how they did the scene where yoda fights count dooku? did dooku just stand there and wave his saber about?

[JandoFett1842]

ASW 1:
He uses the force to atain food
ASW 2:
He stinks
ASW 3:
He has a glove over his hand

[hawkofonyx]

wow interesting stuff :cool:

[ondraedan]

Vader is a wuss. Have you ever noticed that he never does anything exciting when fighting? All he does is swing the lightsaber very unenthusiastically. I say they should remake the last three episodes so that Anakin goes to the dark side, but he doesn't become Vader, he becomes someone more threatening and powerful. Even Dooku seemed more of a threat than Vader.
Anyway, thats my take.

[bigDAN456]

Originally posted by ondraedan
Vader is a wuss. Have you ever noticed that he never does anything exciting when fighting? All he does is swing the lightsaber very unenthusiastically. I say they should remake the last three episodes so that Anakin goes to the dark side, but he doesn't become Vader, he becomes someone more threatening and powerful. Even Dooku seemed more of a threat than Vader.
Anyway, thats my take.

Why would you want to ruin the OT?
Vader is a film icon

[ondraedan]

He may be a film icon, but a poorly designed one he is

[crackhighmonkey]

The fight scenes may seem poor in the OT but thats because we're spoilt these days with matrix style bullet time etc, also remember when it was filmed, a lot of the errects in it are very far advanced for the time, you cant even see the strings on the millenium falcon lol, its the tackyness that makes it what it is.

[bigDAN456]

Originally posted by ondraedan
He may be a film icon, but a poorly designed one he is

Why?
If they ever actually remade the OT i'd shoot myself.

[Pedro The Hutt]

And Lucas would shoot anyone who did it ^_^"

[bigDAN456]

And about Vadar's machine parts why with a civilization that technologicly advanced cant thay just grow him new organic body parts?

[Picasso]

bigdan: I think he was too injured, they didn't have time to do that? He would'v died without it? i dunno :eek:

Pedro: Isn't it ''Vater''? Anyway you dont prenaunce it like that, its prenounced ''Fater'' :)

[JandoFett1842]

Well it might hurt if you fell into some lava!

[eben15]

That room he lives in is called the Vader Egg. If he eats, that would mean he has to poop? Does he have a flap in the crotch area?

[bigDAN456]

maybe:p

[Darth Yittreas]

1- He is more machine than a man, he hasn't got any liver, intestines and I'm sure he doesn't have a heart, he probably have some kind of oil as blood, so he doesn't need to eat.
2- Who cares? We have never seen anyone having a bath or peeing nor pooing in Star Wars, so
3- The lightning: I'm sure the energy is felt all over the dark jedi's body, so the lightning would probably **** up his ''breathing devices''.

[Pedro The Hutt]

Originally posted by Picasso

Pedro: Isn't it ''Vater''? Anyway you dont prenaunce it like that, its prenounced ''Fater'' :)
That's German ^_^" Vader(vah-der) is dutch for father, and I'm sure of it concidering it's my native tongue. (look where I live ^_^")