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jmvrett
06-03-2002, 02:51 AM
This is my first post but I just wanted to start off by saying that I am Star Wars fan. It appears that there are two types of people that post things on these forums: Star Wars fans and Gamers. Well, I am a Star Wars Fan. Anyway, is anyone else getting sick of Kyle Katarn? I liked the guy when he was just a mercenary, but when he started to become a Jedi, it just seems... well... trite. I think it may be time for Kyle to go away and LucasArts to focus on creating a new FPS character. Or, better yet, there are some great books that would make great SW games. What do you guys think?

NerfYoda
06-03-2002, 02:54 AM
Speaking of are there any fancy Yuuhzan Vong skins out there?

DarkJediGirl
06-03-2002, 03:32 AM
Only one I know of thats out there yet is the Nom Anor skin, its available on this site =)

TyrX
06-03-2002, 03:51 AM
Don't mean to get off topic but is Michael Stackpole going to write anymore books? I got to Dark Tide 2 and i can't find 3 anywhere...

Anyway I think Kyle Katarn is one of those old men...He should just "disapear"

Vestril
06-03-2002, 04:11 AM
Mmmmm Yuuzhan Vong Mod *goes off into dreamy state*

Nope, there is no Dark Tide 3, though Stackpole has a bunch of other books out there that are non SW, you might want to read them, if you really like them.

Don't be so mean to poor Kyle, he finally got Jan after two games, give him a break.

I like the idea of him being a master in the next game. You start off training under him, running a merc mission or two, and learning a little about the Force, then the latest Sith bad guy comes along and Kills Kyle--so you have to learn to use the Force fully, and kill the Sith, all the while walking the edge between light and Dark thanks to the grief and rage caused by the loss of your mentor. Mmmmm...that would be good. Or a Yuuzhan Vong Expansion Pack, or Mod...:D

Pedantic
06-03-2002, 04:15 AM
I really don't care. Kyle seems fine to me.

NerfYoda
06-03-2002, 04:23 AM
Originally posted by Vestril
Mmmmm Yuuzhan Vong Mod *goes off into dreamy state*


How cool would that be? They can have amphistaffs and thud bugs and everything....!

I saw the Nom Amor skin, but it wasn't really what I expected he'd look like.

snakeeyesa27
06-03-2002, 04:27 AM
I remember a long time ago, right when Jedi Knight was released, i heard about it and thought, "oh, so now he's a jedi? PLEEEASE. EVERYBODY'S a jedi." If these lucasarts people had their way Han and Chewie would be jedi.

Master Rooster
06-03-2002, 10:03 AM
Chewie is already a Jedi, you just don't find out until episode 8, where it is explained that he was controlling the Emperor all along, but was so powerful, he could disguise the aura of the force around him so nobody could tell.

And as for Han...

Pedro The Hutt
06-03-2002, 10:23 AM
Bleh, Kyle's cool, I don't want him to disappear ^.^ (heck I even think they should have put him in the New Jedi Order books hehe) So.. nah ^.^ Kyle doesn't have to go at all if you ask me.

Katoa_Kliq
06-03-2002, 10:37 AM
Katarn isn't that bad, but I wouldn't mind seeing a new game with another character. Either way, I'm happy :cool:

BlackDove
06-03-2002, 11:12 AM
Katarn ownz... Besides we already know he will probably be doing SOMETHING after the vacation with Jan...

Rogue_Ace
06-03-2002, 01:17 PM
Great so that means that next time we will play as Kyle's son:D

BlackDove
06-03-2002, 01:21 PM
Actually as him again...I mean he (sort of) says it in the end and makes sure it's punctuated (I really have no idea how to spell <---that word).

Vader10
06-03-2002, 02:00 PM
Let Kyle fade away. I have enjoyed playing as Kyle in the JK games, but I would like future games to be viewed through a younger character. I just can't take playing some old bearded guy anymore.

Patton
06-03-2002, 03:13 PM
I agree. Kyle works well as a mercenary, but I'm seriously bored of him as a Jedi. He looks more like a shmuck than an honored knight.

If by any change my thoughts go to some fellow at Lucasarts, give me a game with a real Jedi. If you're going to do an expansion, don't bother with the Force development of the character. Just give me the power from the start, and put me in Jedi robes. A game based in the old old republic (pre episode 1) would be really cool. Peace keeping missions, etc. You'd have alot of freedom within the universe, and you could make the character be younger than 80 years old. :)

Absath
06-03-2002, 03:20 PM
well for those of you that are sick of kyle katarn, Bloodriot and I are creating a single player storyline with our latest character, Tyrion Kane. The storyline will chronicle Tyrion's fall to the dark side at the hands of a Sith Master, immediatly following the death of Exar Kun and the annihilation of the Sith army. You'll get to play as a Sith for once. ;)


-Abs

-Kztzphl
06-03-2002, 03:22 PM
As a Star Wars fan, you should know that Kyle Katarn is from the Expanded Universe, he did "Exist".. but not in the films, he was a jedi and mercenary I guess.
But i agree, they should concentrate on another person now.

ThirdGenRX7
06-03-2002, 03:24 PM
I don't care much for the jedi kyle either. I don't really pull for him when I play like i do with some other games... probably why people like to change the character for single player:eek:

Aegis
06-03-2002, 03:36 PM
I don't mind him so much, but I do think they should end his little story line, and pass the torch to a new person.

Trahern Valley
06-03-2002, 03:59 PM
Kyle's okay, but there's only so much of him I can stand. There's an interesting sidebar to the 'son-of-Kyle' idea...would Kyle's offspring have force powers, or would they have to go to the Valley as well?

Yes to a new character for JK3, yes to starting with sithness. We keep hearing about jedi turning to the dark side. How about a sith finding the light, for a change? I want to know what Tavion gets up to after Kyle lets her live...

Vestril
06-03-2002, 04:08 PM
Geez, a guy gets into his 30's, gets a little gray hair, and all of the sudden he's 'too old.' Kid's these days...no respect for your elders...:p

I guess it's not that important to me who I play as. I think that there are only so many different ways that they can put Kyle through his paces and still be original, which is why I agreee that the torch should be passed.

As a Star Wars fan, you should know that Kyle Katarn is from the Expanded Universe, he did "Exist".. but not in the films, he was a jedi and mercenary I guess.

Nope, Kyle made his debut in Dark Forces. They made him up--just for that.

Rogue_Ace
06-03-2002, 04:10 PM
Kyle did not have to go to the valley to get the force he already had it. He just went because it had been so long since he had used the force... i dont know mabey like a refresher course:D .

As for a new character yeh i think that it is time to put Kyle to rest. I like the idea of playing as a sith (again for JK players:) ) Mabey somthing that took place very early in the republic so you could take part of the huge jedi v. sith war or something.

darthfergie
06-03-2002, 04:17 PM
Kyle is okay.

But really Kyle should be fighting Vong in the X-Pack (please make one) Insider said he was a military advisor then...but he could be advising while killing vong:D

Vladimir_Berkov
06-03-2002, 07:13 PM
Vader, Ben Kenobi, Dooku, Yoda, Palpatine, etc are all much older than Kyle, but you don't hear bitching about them being too old.

Raptorz922
06-04-2002, 12:44 AM
Kyle and Corran are by far the coolest people in Star Wars. And by the way. Kyle was mentioned once in the New Jedi Order books. It mentioned him as something like a high ranking intelligence official.

Rogue_Ace
06-04-2002, 01:01 AM
Vader, Ben Kenobi, Dooku, Yoda, Palpatine, etc are all much older than Kyle, but you don't hear bitching about them being too old.



Vader, Palpatine, and Kenobi all got there a$$es kicked when they died :D and Yoda wasn't looking too bouncy in Return of the Jedi.:D

Lime-Light
06-04-2002, 01:02 AM
Originally posted by Vestril
I like the idea of him being a master in the next game. You start off training under him, running a merc mission or two, and learning a little about the Force, then the latest Sith bad guy comes along and Kills Kyle--so you have to learn to use the Force fully, and kill the Sith, all the while walking the edge between light and Dark thanks to the grief and rage caused by the loss of your mentor. Mmmmm...that would be good. Or a Yuuzhan Vong Expansion Pack, or Mod...:D

That is a seriously kickass idea. I think you should send that to Raven.

Vagabond
06-04-2002, 01:06 AM
The coolest people in Star Wars? Ex-squeeze me? I think the Coolest (TM) people in Star Wars would have to be:

1. Han Solo
2. Boba Fett
3. Mara Jade
4. Lando Calrissian
5. Darth Maul

Uranium - 235
06-04-2002, 01:12 AM
Too bad they can't legally use that idea now that he's thought it up, at least without a wavier or whatever, and most game companies are too lazy.

I'd like to see a less-laggy form of multiplayer with massive maps and vehicles you can build and use to assist your team, and balanced so it takes teamwork. Imagine playing a form of CTF, and you and a fellow Jedi hide behind a small wall and call in a strike at the enemy power generator. Two teammates in X-Wings fly in and torp it. Then three TIE's launch from the ground and destroy both X-Wings, and while the enemy base is disabled you and your buddy run in and sneak around the base and grab the objective before the enemy repairs their power generator. You run out of the entrance with your lightsabers drawn and get gunned down by three E-Webs. Now THAT'D be a reason to play multiplayer, not this dippy Quake-Style sh1t. That got old a long time ago.

Rogue_Ace
06-04-2002, 01:12 AM
The coolest people in Star Wars? Ex-squeeze me? I think the Coolest (TM) people in Star Wars would have to be:

so long as jar jar is not on that list all is well:)

Uranium - 235
06-04-2002, 01:16 AM
For a single-player.... I'm just tired of all this good triumphs over evil. I think they should release a two parter: In one your all evil badda$$ and slaughter busses full of little kids. In the second you kill your master and destroy the jedi once and for all, and complete it by killing yourself. Heh not really but I hope you understand what I mean.

Rogue_Ace
06-04-2002, 01:21 AM
your all evil badda$$ and slaughter busses full of little kids

:snear:

rrrrrriiiiiiiiggggggghhhhhhhttttttttt

you should have that looked at:freakout:

Vestril
06-04-2002, 01:36 AM
Too bad they can't legally use that idea now that he's thought it up, at least without a wavier or whatever, and most game companies are too lazy.

Meh, well it's an idea that was bouncing around here in the early days. Not exactly like that, but things similar to it--Raven is welcome to steal it from me--it's not like I could stop them. Could you imagine that court battle? It would be like hurling a pea at a tank...hee hee

Anyway, if you know any people who and to make their own mod, they can take the idea, I think it would be fun to play :) So to Raven, or modders who like the idea--steal it, please!! Improve it, while you're at it :p

Chrondeath
06-04-2002, 02:52 AM
Originally posted by Raptorz922
Kyle and Corran are by far the coolest people in Star Wars. And by the way. Kyle was mentioned once in the New Jedi Order books. It mentioned him as something like a high ranking intelligence official.

Ooh, I must have missed that. Where is he? I've got to go find that now...

Anybody else think that Kyle could have taken that entire voxyn mission in Star by Star by himself, with half the arsenal that gang of pada-wanabes had? The second I started reading that I was thinking "I _so_ want to play this...."

SPY_jmr1
06-04-2002, 03:25 AM
Originally posted by Vestril


Could you imagine that court battle? It would be like hurling a pea at a tank...hee hee



no... this could work... it would take about 10000 years but the pea would rust the tank, after a time:D

oh....

you prob mean---

I've said to much methinks:D

coldsun22
06-04-2002, 02:21 PM
kyle rocks

-Kztzphl
06-04-2002, 06:33 PM
Kyle Katarn Expanded Universe (http://www.starwars.com/databank/character/kylekatarn/eu.html)

I think they made up this character and then put him in the Expanded Universe, for JKI and JKII and developped his story.

GE Predator
06-04-2002, 09:12 PM
He's always full of smart-ass comments :D

Mithiril
06-04-2002, 09:23 PM
Kyle is getting old, but not too old. Kyle is still cool. He should fade out, but not yet.

He should be back, one last time.

next time, Kyles back, for one last adventurer.

Or, what happened after Jedi Knight, and before Jedi Outcast considering MotS never happened?

Well, mabye the next game could be a prequel of sorts.. Take place after JK, and before JO.

Or, have him do something after his vacation. Perhaps its time for the entire new Jedi order has to go out on some kind of mission, a new war against the remnant.

After Katarn, bring on someone else.. What ever happened to the real space combat star wars games? Or why is there no Han Solo game!?

snakeeyesa27
06-05-2002, 12:34 AM
I had an idea that a good single player character would be one of the jedi knights of the new order. It would still have luke in there, and you would still kill stormtroopers (essential), but you would go out on peacekeeping and diplomatic (initially) missions, just as old jedi did. You would start off with full force powers and either a master or a padawan, who would of course get killed, and then it's you vs. the universe baby.

Rogue_Ace
06-05-2002, 12:42 AM
i want a game where you can kill just jedi or sith...not that i dont like to hack up stormies :D but i want more saber combat.

Joolz
06-05-2002, 09:12 AM
What about a game where at the start youd choose between light or dark, and that would decide the missions/objectives youd get for the rest of the game.

On top of that maybe it wouldnt be bad if it was '2 player', as in youd start out as a master and a padawan (maybe you could choose which youd want to be), that way for single player the other guy would be computer controlled, but it would also be possible to have a kind of co-op play if you linked up two computers.

Well a lot of maybes, would be nice if someone from the powers that be were reading these posts and got an idea from them for a game :)

Vestril
06-05-2002, 09:46 AM
I think if they make it without any ties to Kyle Katarn, then it ought to be under a different name. Dark Forces/Jedi Knight is Kyle's story, if they want to make it about someone else it seems like it should go somewhere else.

A Big Fat CoW
06-05-2002, 11:33 AM
aight, i've held it in as long as possible...


THERE ARE NO MORE FRICKIN SITH! vader and palpy were the LAST sith PERIOD. remember the prophecy that anakin would bring balance to the force? he did, by killing the last sith and ending the loop for good. no more sithy-poo.

everyone after that is just a dark jedi (jerec and friends, tav and desann, etc)

no sith. no games with sith. no used-to-be-sith. no sith. period.

and, just for overkill...

the sith religion was destroyed. the only way another sith could come up, is if there was already a strong dark jedi, that happened to find some sith archive or something, and even then he'd have to study for a couple years, and then train an apprentice. all whilst staying hidden from the jedi. you know what the odds of that are? and no, books/comics written by idiot authors dont count.

so bleh.

C'jais
06-05-2002, 12:14 PM
Originally posted by A Big Fat CoW
THERE ARE NO MORE FRICKIN SITH! vader and palpy were the LAST sith PERIOD.

no sith. no games with sith. no used-to-be-sith. no sith. period.

so bleh.

Word.

And I don't think playing an evil dark jedi slaughtering "little children" would sell that well. I don't think Lucasarts is going to copy the game "Postal". What you people describe is more like an RPG. Go pick up some Bioware games or SWG. Or if you're feeling really daring, you might wanna check out "Starwars D20" - rpg or the original D6 system. That way, you can play *however* you want to play, and rule the galaxy if you want to.

Vestril
06-05-2002, 05:24 PM
THERE ARE NO MORE FRICKIN SITH! vader and palpy were the LAST sith PERIOD. remember the prophecy that anakin would bring balance to the force? he did, by killing the last sith and ending the loop for good. no more sithy-poo.

Hey!! Gues what!! Raven agrees!! That's why there were no Sith enemies in Jedi Knight II. Yayyyyy them :rolleyes:

YoDa2k2
06-05-2002, 08:29 PM
Ok, i think that you should play as kyle in a JO x-pack (if raven makes one and, heh, why wouldnt they?) but in DF-4, or JK3, or JO2 whatever ya wanta call it, it should be a new guy/girl you play as..... o yeah and the vong DEFENTLY need to be in the x-pack or next sequel

Rogue_Ace
06-06-2002, 02:57 AM
THERE ARE NO MORE FRICKIN SITH!

Woah, dont get your panties in a bind, i just ment that i want more saber vs saber combat and i just threw in sith i know it was a not so good steriotype...my bad.

A Big Fat CoW
06-06-2002, 05:38 AM
im not singling anyone out, but i've seen way too many people do things like "OMG TEHY NEID TEH NOO XPNACHON PAK WIHT TEH SITH BAD GIY!! TAHT WULD KEECK ARZ!" (newbishness added in for effect)

it just annoys me with the ignorance of some people. i mean, as soon as Ep 1 came out, everyone was obsessed with the sith, and completely forgets that there arent anymore.


... so bleh.

Ben_Walker
06-06-2002, 06:57 AM
I think that Kyle should come back for at least one more adventure and JK3 should have like twice as many levels as Jk and JO. Kyle should change from Jedi knight to Jedi master. And Kyle should take on an apprentice half way through the game and when he eventially fades out, his apprentice takes over.

CapNColostomy
06-06-2002, 07:03 AM
And I've seen to many people say the "books/comics don't count" just because Lucas didn't smear his greasy paws all over getting them made personally. If the "books/comics don't count", how can you stand to play this game? How can it count? The official Star Wars website acknowledges the books and comics AND games. I think I'll take their word for it.

C'jais
06-06-2002, 08:01 AM
Originally posted by CapNColostomy
And I've seen to many people say the "books/comics don't count" just because Lucas didn't smear his greasy paws all over getting them made personally. If the "books/comics don't count", how can you stand to play this game? How can it count? The official Star Wars website acknowledges the books and comics AND games. I think I'll take their word for it.

The books don't count IMO because some idiot can write whatever he wants to, and take the universe in a completely different direction: "In my version of starwars, Luke wasn't the son of Anakin. And He had 5 kick-arse jedi brothers who helped him." Now I've changed the whole universe and people must now decide if they want to believe my version or Lucas'.

Don't get me too wrong here; The EU can be very interesting and also add to the universe, but when it comes down to wht is starwars and what is not, there's only one man.

Trahern Valley
06-06-2002, 11:03 AM
There are several examples of others sharing their own take on someone's (successful) work. Highlander comes immediately to mind when I think movies. Each movie has gone down a completely different road, the last following on from the series. Stargate SG-1 has several noticable differences from the Stargate movie. When it comes to Star Wars, anything that doesn't come directly from Lucas should be taken with a grain of salt. Or is that a pinch of salt?

This doesn't mean I'm against the written work, the fan-made mini-movies and so on. 'Shadows of the Empire' was so good it spawned its own soundtrack, an N64 game, and one of the missions in X-Wing Alliance. I myself have a copy of 'Boba Fett - Enemy of the Empire' because a story that pits Fett against Vader has to be fun...even though the story itself doesn't exactly fit the legitimate SW universe.

In short, it's all for fun and entertainment, so it's not something to obsess about...er...

A Big Fat CoW
06-06-2002, 11:11 AM
woah, hold up.

i wasnt saying all the books/comics were crap, i was just saying that books/comics written by idiot writers with sith in them were crap.

i was saying that, the odds of a sith spontaneously appearing, and training an apprentice WITHOUT the jedi finding out would be worse than that of succesfully navigating an asteroid feild. and that it would never happen, unless an idiot writer made a book/comic about it.

so, once again, bleh.

selphj
06-06-2002, 11:28 AM
If you think the sith died out with palpatine you are misunderstanding the Sith entirely. You don't have to be trained as a sith to become one. Dooku was a Jedi Master, and on the council. But his disagreements with the council and desire for power drove him to use the dark side of the force. And to quote the great yoda "once you choose the quick and easy path, forever will it dominate your destiny". Just like Anakin, his thirst and desire for greatness drives him to use the dark side ultimately. And using the dark side isn't something you turn back from, it "consumes you as it did Obi-Wan's apprentice". Anyone that thinks the sith are ever gone for good is someone that doesn't know star wars very well.

Vestril
06-06-2002, 04:03 PM
The books don't count IMO because some idiot can write whatever he wants to, and take the universe in a completely different direction: "In my version of starwars, Luke wasn't the son of Anakin. And He had 5 kick-arse jedi brothers who helped him." Now I've changed the whole universe and people must now decide if they want to believe my version or Lucas'.

Don't get me too wrong here; The EU can be very interesting and also add to the universe, but when it comes down to wht is starwars and what is not, there's only one man.

Well that's not true, they have to follow guidlines, stay with the flow of the other authors, and their stories have to be approved by Lucas Books...

I think they're crap because Lucas decided to crap all over them in the new trilogy...

i was saying that, the odds of a sith spontaneously appearing, and training an apprentice WITHOUT the jedi finding out would be worse than that of succesfully navigating an asteroid feild. and that it would never happen, unless an idiot writer made a book/comic about it.

I'm sorry...give me the name of a Star Wars book where that happened. No really.

CapNColostomy
06-06-2002, 04:17 PM
Originally posted by cjais


The books don't count IMO because some idiot can write whatever he wants to, and take the universe in a completely different direction: "In my version of starwars, Luke wasn't the son of Anakin. And He had 5 kick-arse jedi brothers who helped him." Now I've changed the whole universe and people must now decide if they want to believe my version or Lucas'.

Don't get me too wrong here; The EU can be very interesting and also add to the universe, but when it comes down to wht is starwars and what is not, there's only one man.

Believe it or not the idiot writers you mentioned are LICENSED to use the Star Wars characters and in most cases (the Timothy Zahn trilogy for example) are restricted to write things that do not interfere with George Lucas's vision. If memory serves correct, the mad clone Jedi Jorus C'Baoth was originally supposed to be an Obi Wan Kenobi clone. But Lucas nixed it. These people writing the books aren't just slapping a Star Wars trademark on things and sticking it out there, they have permission.

So, if Lucas wants to give these people permission to write a story, then come back later and change what they wrote, that's a bunch of crap. It would be like me selling you a car and then me coming over and painting it hot pink while you slept, and saying "well it was MY car first, and this was the way I always intended it to be".
Ralph Mcquarie (sp?) Doug Chiang, and John (Lucas was going to use existing classical music originally, but wanted original music, but guess what?! he can't write music!) Williams have as much to do with the creation of Star Wars if not more, than Lucas ever thought about doing. Not counting the tons of puppeteers, make up artists, model makers, etc...Thus making your "only one man" statement ridiculous. Lucas couldn't have made any one of the films you give him so much credit for without TONS of help. Mine and yours included. The fans.

EU is the $#I+. And "IMO" one of the only things that kept fan interest in Star Wars going during the nearly twenty years it took for Lucas to get off his rump and make the prequals. He said a long time ago(in the 80's sometime) that he intended to make 9 movies. The first three in the middle, the next three in the beginning, and the next three at the end, making one big story. He said himself that he waited too long to make 9 movies, and after Episode III Star Wars is done, because the books have all been written about the aftermath of Return of the Jedi, and he wants to move on to making other types of movies.
"So bleh."
ps, most of the books are WAAAY better than the movies anyway, if you can read or at least be bothered to, check them out. Imagination's better than any special effect.
So once again, bleh.

C'jais
06-06-2002, 04:19 PM
Originally posted by Vestril


Well that's not true, they have to follow guidlines, stay with the flow of the other authors, and their stories have to be approved by Lucas Books...


Of course man, I was just exagarrating...

What I meant, was that only Lucas truly decides what is in the realm of starwars and so on.

Ko'or Oragahn
06-06-2002, 07:37 PM
the sith religion was destroyed. the only way another sith could come up, is if there was already a strong dark jedi, that happened to find some sith archive or something, and even then he'd have to study for a couple years, and then train an apprentice. all whilst staying hidden from the jedi. you know what the odds of that are? and no, books/comics written by idiot authors dont count.

so bleh.

Why do you think they're idiots and you not ?
Note that I don't say you're an idiot.

Big Fat Cow.

Don't call ignorant people who want Sith back.

Just figure out that before TPM, the Sith were already there but this didn't bothered mama balance at all. If the Force is so omniscient, why the prophecy wasn't triggered when Palpatine was born ? In fact, why did it even let Palpatine to be born ?

Call it plothole or Anakin being a Sith creation, I don't mind.

And since there may be tons of Sith holocrons spread over the galaxy, I think it's fairly enough to have new Sith arise one day or another.

There are many ways to stick to continuity and be logic.

But there's a main condition for that :

Don't be close-minded.

********************************

Hey!! Gues what!! Raven agrees!! That's why there were no Sith enemies in Jedi Knight II. Yayyyyy them

... Two words :

Sith Reborn.

Struggle with that. :D

********************************

If you think the sith died out with palpatine you are misunderstanding the Sith entirely. You don't have to be trained as a sith to become one. Dooku was a Jedi Master, and on the council. But his disagreements with the council and desire for power drove him to use the dark side of the force. And to quote the great yoda "once you choose the quick and easy path, forever will it dominate your destiny". Just like Anakin, his thirst and desire for greatness drives him to use the dark side ultimately. And using the dark side isn't something you turn back from, it "consumes you as it did Obi-Wan's apprentice". Anyone that thinks the sith are ever gone for good is someone that doesn't know star wars very well.

- Dooku dwelved into the darkness because he started to study Sith Holocrons which were stored inside the Jedi temple.
Later, he left he ORder and joined a true Sith, Darth Sidious.

- There are two kinds of Sith. Fallen Jedi and pure Sith. Somehow I never heard of any pure Sith betraying the order. Did you ?

-Techno-
06-06-2002, 08:11 PM
Kyle's still cool in my book, he doesn't bother me. especially compared to Jar Jar.
but your right about having someone new in the next installment of SW FPS's

peace :atat:

Kurgan
06-07-2002, 06:15 AM
Kyle is like Sean Connery (or Yoda) he'll be hauling ass and impressing the lassies well into his golden years. ; )

Bluezman
06-07-2002, 06:44 AM
THERE ARE NO MORE FRICKIN SITH!Can you say "prequel"?! They could make a game that takes place long before Episode I when Jedi and Sith numbered several thousands. Ever thought of that? Without Kyle Katarn of course...

defalc
06-07-2002, 07:15 AM
I believe that would be the new SW game Knights of the Old Republic. ;)

Bluezman
06-07-2002, 07:28 AM
I believe that would be the new SW game Knights of the Old Republic. Hehe, actually I took that one sentence from the game description... :) However, it is no FPS...

Neo Honor
06-07-2002, 01:42 PM
Aren't the reborn sith chars? And Desaan could easily have been a sith lord if he read the ancient holocrons and trained aprentices.

And as far as the books. The movies leave so many hole it isn't funny. SW wouldn't be to much of a universe without the licensed support of the EU authors.

Jedi Legend
06-07-2002, 04:55 PM
<me> I'd like to see a game where Kyle Katarn goes back in time for some reason.

<LucasArts> That isn't a good idea, nobody would buy the game.

<me> Did I mention that his new friend and partner is a talking pie?

<LucasArts> Brilliant! We'll contact Raven immediately and begin negotiating a contract!


As far as the coolest people in Star Wars:

1. Han Solo
2. Darth Vader
3. Yoda
4. Mace Windu
5. Grand Admiral Thrawn.

Agen
06-07-2002, 06:46 PM
i forgot what kyle really looked like (jason court)

http://www.starwars.com/databank/character/kylekatarn/img/curve.jpg

Kyle is like Sean Connery (or Yoda) he'll be hauling ass and impressing the lassies well into his golden years. ; )
Coudln't have put it better myslef.

And as for my top 5 coolest characters....

1. Han Solo
2. Darth Vader
5 Mace Windu
4. Yoda
3. Obi Wan in Ep 2

http://www.mwscomp.com/movies/grail/jpgs/onetwofi.jpg

Vestril
06-07-2002, 11:57 PM
... Two words :

Sith Reborn.

Struggle with that.


Was that in the game? I didn't think it was. I could check...but I won't. I could have sworn it was just Reborn though...in fact I'm almost certain.

Ben_Walker
06-08-2002, 12:11 AM
Kyle Katarn and a talking pie called Georgie.