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Edward Peretti
06-10-2002, 09:05 PM
It's my favourite version of the Mara Jade character, from the "Mysteries of the Sith" addon pack for Jedi Knight.
http://eperetti.tripod.com/workinprogress.html - The model version is a little outdated now, but I'll make an update as I begin to map.

If anyone has any further reference of the high rez model seen on the box cover of mots, I'd appreciate a look at it, as well as any other good ref. to Mara's costumes.

I also posted this over at Polycount.
http://dynamic.gamespy.com/~polycount/ubb/Forum2/HTML/004534.html?00015

Lime-Light
06-11-2002, 01:02 AM
cool

Darkhold X
06-11-2002, 01:04 AM
Well I have really been waiting for a model of her, and glad to see one being made. Most the time she has a blaster/holster about like han solos setup.

Will the jacket be a seperate surface? It would make for a lot more usable model for a veriety of skins then. Especialy If people are going for her other looks.

I would probably be happy with it as is, if the holster for the gun was on the leg like it is any other time.

Artic Blade
06-11-2002, 01:25 AM
the only thing i dont like about it is the hair. i think if you make it pulled back like in some of the reference pics it would be better. but overall looking great

man... there are some great modelers out there, not like avp2, no sir...

remark 666
06-11-2002, 02:03 AM
wow, looking very good, i'd be glad to play as her


(this one is also cool http://www.geocities.com/Area51/Dimension/1840/marajade/mjade.jpg)

the hair will be very cool if animated...think about it

Luuke
06-11-2002, 05:53 AM
i have some nice pics of mara jade, unfortunately i'm not allowed to post attachments and have no webspace at the moment.
if you still need them i can send them to you by e-mail. just send me a personal message with your adress

Edward Peretti
06-11-2002, 07:20 AM
hey all!

Darkhold X: I've only seen images of her (mainly from the comic) with her gun holstered at the back. Her belt is simular to Han's in the sense that a strap loops around the leg. I'd change it if I could find a picture to show it. I could model underneath the jacket, though I'm a little concerned about polycount. I think the limit is 3000.

Artic Blade: If I have enough polys to spare I'll model a ponytail head underneath the hair. Though most of the female characters have ponytails, so I wanted to go for something different.

remark 666: cheers, but the link doesn't work. Is there a way to bone / animate the hair?

Luuke: Thanks, I will.

cool, I'm gonna evaluate the model tonight.

Prophet
06-11-2002, 08:38 AM
Fantastic model, it's difficult to create a character who doesn't have one specific look, but I think you've done it incredibly well. I like the hair :)

DarkLord_44
06-11-2002, 10:15 AM
Yep. Very nice job. I have been waiting for this model for a long time.

Pedro The Hutt
06-11-2002, 10:40 AM
Very nice indeed, besides for the hair.. I prefer her hair pulled back hehe ^_^" (and besides if it's not animated it'll look a bit unrealistic while a tail is less noticed by other players since it's on the back of the player.)

T-Dogg
06-11-2002, 10:46 AM
Wow... big hair... I'd change the hair, otherwise I love this model. She's got a real ghetto booty too, respect Mr. Peretti!

Edward Peretti
06-11-2002, 12:21 PM
Hey all!

So most of you don't think the big hair looks sexy? I'll get cracking on a ponytail version tonight and everyone can take a vote on which looks better :)

Garik Loran
06-11-2002, 12:22 PM
COOOL. The model looks perfect, absolutly like Mara. I have read only the books with her, not the comics, so I have my own image of her, and your model comes very close to it.
One of the few pics that shows Mara how she is described in the books (or how I imagined her) is this:
http://www.swbooklist.com/main/rebirth.jpg
Has a lot in common with your model, so well done. And I like the hair the way it is.

Darkhold X
06-11-2002, 12:50 PM
If I would do anything to the hair I would say not quite as fluffy looking. I like how it is one these pics: http://www.starwarssource.net/Characters/Mara_Jade/mara_jade.php

this one kinda shows the belt, and all, but it dosent look right. General right shape though
http://www.3d-cc.com/thumbs/marajade_thm.jpg
(I will be going for this look with, or without a jacket, when I get ahold of it.:D )

the only thing I am really concerned about on this model for the look I want is no knee pads.:(
http://images.google.com/images?q=tbn:GcGm3funb7UC:www.sluisvan.com/REM_mara2.jpg

trying for some more that shows the belt here

http://renella.homestead.com/files/Mara_and_Artoo.gif

this one has the look you are going for kinda, and the belt the way I said: http://www.theforce.net/multimedia/archive/Images/Expanded_Universe/Characters_Female/Mara_Jade/03_mj-eh.jpg

http://www.theforce.net/multimedia/archive/Images/Expanded_Universe/Characters_Female/Mara_Jade/m-jade02.jpg
http://www.theforce.net/multimedia/archive/Images/Expanded_Universe/Characters_Female/Mara_Jade/06_mj-eh.jpg

http://pluto.spaceports.com/~lms/mj9.JPG

http://pluto.spaceports.com/~lms/mj23.jpg

http://pluto.spaceports.com/~lms/mj18.jpg

this one right off a cover showes the belt good:
http://www.ffurg.com/casting_call/marajade/mara-cover.jpg
here is the site it came from. lotta refference pics there:
http://www.ffurg.com/casting_call/marajade.htm


I will be going for something like this since the jacket will probably have to be there.:D : http://www.penny-arcade.com/gabeart/gameart/mara.jpg

Steg
06-11-2002, 01:43 PM
yeh less hair would b great
now all we need is a skin
im glad that there is another female model coming out apart from jan and mon mothma which r both useless 4 making other women
nice!

Steg

Cmdr. Antilles
06-11-2002, 01:46 PM
I like this look: http://www.ffurg.com/casting_call/marajade/mara-mots.jpg

I think that would be the best...

WitchBlare
06-11-2002, 04:45 PM
or u can try not poofy strait down hair

remark 666
06-11-2002, 05:07 PM
E P: sure it's possible, the hair would have to be animated by itself though (if you're not sure then let me know, i'll make a tutorial or something) that would be a great thing for other models aswell, it adds more realism when hair and stuff moves *cough*boobs*cough*

for the pic, just copy and past (or drag the url on the ->Go button)

or here is the same one but colored http://www.ffurg.com/casting_call/marajade/mara-chronicles.jpg

this would be the best type though, I would love to see this made :) http://www.ffurg.com/casting_call/marajade/mara-dancer.jpg (thanx Darkhold X for the site)

and this wouldn't be bad either http://www.ffurg.com/casting_call/marajade/mara-decipher.jpg (thanx DX again)

Lord -=[FBF]=-
06-11-2002, 05:13 PM
nice! i like the hair how it is tho

adillon
06-11-2002, 05:34 PM
Originally posted by remark 666
E P: sure it's possible, the hair would have to be animated by itself though (if you're not sure then let me know, i'll make a tutorial or something) that would be a great thing for other models aswell, it adds more realism when hair and stuff moves *cough*boobs*cough*

man, if you could do that i would give you my firstborn. ok, well that's a little extreme, but it would be EXTREMELY helpful to many modelers, as well as myself.

as for ms. jade herself ... i think the image Cmdr. Antilles posted from MotS IS the image many people, well at least me, have of this bad@$$ woman. in others words, i think the hair should be toned down/flattened a bit, and if remark 666 CAN (please oh please) produce a tutorial for moving hair (and "other" things), your model will be heads above the rest (no pun intended - lol).

keep up the great work, and keep us posted on your progress, if you would be so kind.

Dark_One
06-11-2002, 06:08 PM
The hair looks great. I wouldn't change it if i were you. Looks so *drewl* :eek:

Akshara
06-11-2002, 08:43 PM
When I first looked at the workinprogress picture, my immediate response was

Finally! A female with a full feminine mane of hair not in a ponytail!

Please don't put it up in a ponytail. The other three female models all have ponytails, and someone will just reskin the new Padme model eventually for another Mara. If you keep yours original like your initial idea, it will stand out.

Unlike most of the female characters in StarWars, Mara Jade from the novels had an overtly powerful sexuality to the character. Kind of like Han Solo had on the male side. And that's what has been really missing from the other skinned Mara attempts.

Just my opinion - Keep The Hair!

Excellent job, Edward. Whatever you decide, don't let the forum community sway your decisions too much - or you'll never finish. Listen to opinions, but don't try to appease every idea. Look what's happening on the other model threads.

Trust your feelings...

striderx2048
06-11-2002, 09:03 PM
have two different torsos and arms
use surfs to turn off and on whatever surfurces
ie surfoff (left_armjacket,right_armjacket,torso_jacket)
surfon (leftbare_arm, rightbare_arm, bare_torso)

surfaces turn off don't count towards the polycount, someone said in another thread

morphius_doh
06-11-2002, 09:05 PM
While you're at it, why don't you make a command to make her completely bare. j/k

Edward Peretti
06-11-2002, 10:29 PM
Ok I made a ponytail head and I must say it's looking pretty good, so good I think I'll use it. My initial idea was to build the mara from "Mysteries of the Sith" so I best stick to her original image as close as possible. As much as I like her "feminine mane" it steers towards the other versions which I probably should avoid.

The latest update can be found on the same page
http://eperetti.tripod.com/workinprogress.html

I don't think I'll seperate the jacket or attempt to do any underlayers of any kind as it will prove difficult with the LOD's and also the skinning. One thing I'm starting to realise is that making a character for Jedi Knight Outcast isn't an easy task! (easy as in standard Quake 3 style)

remark 666: That tutorial would be a great help. I was thinking of animating the ponytail.

remark 666
06-11-2002, 10:52 PM
i'll do the tutorial...as long as you keep the "unliked" hair type ;) (maybe give the pony tail to the CTF version) and yes, a lot different then standard Q3 editing.

don't have much free time but i'll try to do what I can, give me a list of programs you use to edit/create stuff with (preferably Milkshape and 3ds max, those are easy to say how to do).

remark 666
06-11-2002, 11:07 PM
if I don't have the time to finish the tutorial then I'll give it to my friend rio and he'll finish it up ;)

The Librarian
06-12-2002, 12:37 AM
Stick with the pony tail in my opinion ... just my opinion .. or do both .. even better ...

Just one thing ;) .... perhaps make her face a little sharper .. Its just that in the books, they describe her as having a sharp face blah blah ... it just looks a little .. wide .. perhaps its just the angle ..

And perhaps make the clothing a little less defined on the buttocks ... she's meant to have clothing over that no? ;) It looks like shes got a severe wedge ...

No criticisms .. I like your work .. just a few suggestions

Darkhold X
06-12-2002, 03:06 AM
everythign is prefect on it. I just want the gun on the hip like 90% of stuff I have ever seen.:D

Akshara
06-12-2002, 03:14 AM
Since you suggested earlier people voting after you did the ponytail...

Looking at both, I must say I still prefer the full head of hair over the ponytail. It looks great and I can tell you spent alot of time doing it, but it seems a little too kempt for a Mara Jade character.

Your first version actually makes me think of Mara Jade from pictures I'd seen and from my mind's eye - the new version doesn't have the same effect, and could be another female character easily. She appears a little softer and prettier.

If you stick with the ponytail version, please consider allowing a few strands to fall loosely, as if she has been exerting herself and doesn't care how "pretty" she looks. That could be added to your current model without having to completely start over again, which I know isn't fun.

Or consider the braided look from the "Vision of the Future" novel cover.

I guess my wish is that a true Mara Jade model have that raw sexual power which none of the other female characters have. Mara would definitely be the most "masculine" female of the Star Wars universe.

I don't mean "butch", and I don't mean "sexy". I'm referring to a quality of female, like a lioness or a tigeress. That first link which Darkhold posted has that quality...
http://www.starwarssource.net/Characters/Mara_Jade/mara_jade.php

Just suggestions... I usually don't comment to model threads, but Mara Jade is one of my favorite characters from this universe. My wife has commented on the lack of support for female characters in this game, so I've been working on a rewrite of the normal SP adventure with a female lead - including audio replacements for Kyle and editing out Kyle's name from other dialogue. A good Mara Jade model would be my first choice as a lead. She's the only female character in the Star Wars universe who would go on a solo mission without another guy or a wookie around. Probably one of the reasons Luke fell for her. ggrrOOwwlll...

Great work so far. Thank you for giving your time to this.
:)

BradFu
06-12-2002, 03:28 AM
I vote for the un-tied hair. Like in your first shot, except about half as puffy. I DO like that ponytail head, too, but not necessarily as Mara. I think you should do another model later using that head, maybe a female Prequel-era Jedi, that would be awesome!

BradFu!

Nanodagiardino
06-12-2002, 03:36 AM
If you can, you could do the hair has alternate surfaces. So for example you have the pony tail in the blue version, the normal hair(revised in the back) in the default version and some unkept loose hair in the red version. :) so everyone is going to be happy. I personaly like all of them and are both in Mara Jade stile.

Cmdr. Antilles
06-12-2002, 03:56 AM
I like the idea of the pony tail with some strands of hair fallen down around her face... Sounds cool. :)

Luuke
06-12-2002, 10:34 AM
i like both, with open hair or with pony tail! maybe you can include two versions? anyway, i know that would be a lot of extra work, so no problem if you just decide for one.
just great work!!!

Droidekas
06-12-2002, 10:40 AM
I vote for the multiple version! :) Next time you will think twice before posting such a good model with variant! Very good job, she is very pretty.

Dark_One
06-12-2002, 10:41 AM
If you want i do both. One with the tail and one with the first hair. Like the Lday Brenna model she has lots of skins and models.

Edward Peretti
06-12-2002, 10:44 AM
okey dokey, I've read over this thread and there is alot of contreversy towards the hair, so this is my proposition:

This is the version I will model for the time being
http://www.ffurg.com/casting_call/marajade/mara-mots.jpg

In my eyes she isn't connected with the Mara Jade from the books. She's just a character who bears her name. I've always wanted to model her because I was a big fan of JK and MotS. So she kinda carries a sentiment for me from playing her long ago.
As for the more well known Mara (who married Luke Skywalker etc) she doesn't really appeal to me as the one in the game does. Infact I wish they made her into an original character for the game instead because I always felt that the game version never tied in with the book version.

But I do like the hair on the first image too. So I'm gonna model the book version (where she is wearing all black) some time after this one.

The pony tail head is looking good. I added strands last night after I posted that picture and they certainly make all the difference. One question I have is that the poly count has gone over 3000 (about 3400). Does anyone know if this is ok, or will I get a "too many vertices" error message when I try to get her into the game?

C]-[33S3/\/\@N
06-12-2002, 10:48 AM
I'd just like to say, man, you certainly know how to model a female with a bootylicious rack.

All i can say is that i cant wait to use this model, and what a GREAT ASS!

:D

Dark_One
06-12-2002, 10:52 AM
Messa thinks that 2 days after the release of this model the forum will be flooded with naked Mara Jade's :p

T-Dogg
06-12-2002, 10:53 AM
I like the ponytail look. Those loose strands of hair would look cool too, something like this, a la Lara Croft:

http://www.tombraider.com/gallery/screenshots/10.jpg

It doesn't have to be exactly like that, that's just for reference.

Droidekas
06-12-2002, 11:22 AM
Depending on the program you are using, you could have bones and tags in your polycount.

No chance of seeing all three version in one pack then?

Cmdr. Antilles
06-12-2002, 11:25 AM
Whoohoo! That's the kind of Mara Jade I like to see. :)

adillon
06-12-2002, 11:30 AM
mara jade doesn't really seem to me to be the kind of girl who's really into her looks. she's gonna wake up in the morning, pull her hair back from her face, and get down to business. even though tavion and jan both have their hair pulled back, adding those loose strands of hair (a slightly disheveled look) makes ms. jade look like the down-and-dirty, no frills character she is. tavion and jan have hair that reminds me of a librarian ... pulled back really tight giving them a perpetual headache ... mara's too "relaxed" to worry about that.

the exar kun model (by sithlord-II, i think) has a couple of "loose" strands of hair hanging in his face, and i think it works. maybe they could move (with "other" things) a la the tutorial by remark 666 ... if he EVER makes it. ;) j/k

Edward, i've used a 3d max tutorial for low-polyogn human characters, and it CLAIMS that "later in the exercise techniques are introduced to reduce the number of polygons." don't know if it's true or not, but check it out just in case:

http://www.3dlinks.com/tutorials/max/max_tutorials.cfm?tutorial=lpindex

hope the tut helps you. keep up the great work!

DarkLord_44
06-12-2002, 10:16 PM
Are you skinning the model or is someone else? I like it so far. I think several versions is best.

Akshara
06-13-2002, 02:25 AM
Edward

So according to what you said in your last post you're not really doing a Mara Jade model - you're doing a remodel from a character in the older Jedi Knight/MOTS game series. That's cool... it's your model - have fun.

But then this thread shouldn't be titled "The Return of Mara Jade" - it should be called the "The Return of Mara Mots."

Mara Jade - the Emperor's Hand - is Luke Skywalker's arch-enemy, lover, and wife. At least in the Star Wars universe...
:rolleyes:

Vesentac
06-13-2002, 03:28 AM
Originally posted by Akshara
Edward

So according to what you said in your last post you're not really doing a Mara Jade model - you're doing a remodel from a character in the older Jedi Knight/MOTS game series. That's cool... it's your model - have fun.

But then this thread shouldn't be titled "The Return of Mara Jade" - it should be called the "The Return of Mara Mots."

Mara Jade - the Emperor's Hand - is Luke Skywalker's arch-enemy, lover, and wife. At least in the Star Wars universe...



That really doesnt make sense. That's mara jade and she was in MOTS. Since he's not "converting" the model, it's made from scratch. So it is her "return".

Pedantic
06-13-2002, 04:05 AM
Great job! I can't wait to see this model released! :)

DarkLord_44
06-14-2002, 10:27 AM
bump

Edward Peretti
06-14-2002, 11:26 AM
hey everyone!

Don't worry, I haven't abandoned this thread. I'm planning to start mapping the model on monday. So expect some updates next week.

In the mean time please feel free to add any design or technical ideas you'd like to point out.

see ya'll later!

DarkLord_44
06-15-2002, 11:34 AM
Luke would want this to be bumped.

DarkLord_44
06-17-2002, 08:18 AM
Any updates?

Darkhold X
06-19-2002, 11:40 PM
Every time someone even mentions making one of her it always just fades away.:(

Harukaze
06-20-2002, 09:04 AM
Actually, Vesentac [sorry if I spelled the name wrong], I think he made perfect sense. The model author himself said he's making a difference in his mind between the two Maras, that the one in MotS is not really related to the books. Considering Kyle himself has no bearing on the books either, it's not hard to see what he means.

Which is exactly why I eventually plan to do a TC for some EU story, but that's WAY in the future. If I get hired for the JK TC, then I'll gain the experience I need for an EU-setting TC. I'm still too new to editing to even think of tackling that yet ; )


Perhaps, when you're done with this Mara, could you offer the different heads to other model authors who wish to take up the torch and give you credit? That way, an Emperor's Hand/Jedi Master Mara Jade model could be crafted, and be at least partially attributed to you.

Sniper Wolf
06-20-2002, 09:55 AM
Holy balls man this is feckin' awesome!
You have made her hot (in an artistic perspective of course :o
She looks a lot more feminine then in the comics or on cover art. Excellent job!

Klorel
06-20-2002, 10:09 AM
great model. but i STRONGLY suggest you model both, and have them as deselectable surfaces so skinners can choose to have either hair up or hair down. Jan already has a ponytail, but i say do both on your model and give skinners more of a variety. then you wont see the same thing over and over. there really isn't a normal female hair down model, but she also looks cool with hair up. that way you dont have to choose, just do both-thats the beauty of this game. good job, cant wait to see her skinned

Altimira
06-20-2002, 10:10 AM
I agree with Klorel with you being able to choose which model (hair up and hair down).

Model looks great. cant wait to play as her.

remark 666
06-20-2002, 10:48 AM
anymore model pix ?? :)


sorry bud, I didn't/don't have the time for a tutorial [****, ****, ****, ****] really sorry :(

ReIIiK
06-20-2002, 02:00 PM
Hair down looks good, sets it apart from all the other female models.......wait theres only 1, in the game :p

striderx2048
06-20-2002, 02:59 PM
3 default female models
jan, mon montha, tavion

ReIIiK
06-20-2002, 03:02 PM
00ps forgot to count them, guess I don't think of Tavion as a woman, shes more of a SW skank, lol non of them have big hair tho like the Mara model.

KMan
06-20-2002, 04:10 PM
Mara Jade is coming along rather nicely. Glad to hear that she is being mapped right now. Are you going to be doing the default skin for her or did you have someone else lined up for that already? If not, I would like to do the default skin.

Nanodagiardino
06-20-2002, 04:41 PM
I think if you make the three hair versions as the CTF versions. (tail, unkept and normal) you could "hire" 3 good skinners and do the same thing Ches did for Maul. 3 alternate. That would turn this fantastic model into something superlative. Kman should definitely do one. But it's been a while I didn't see edward, or did I miss something?

Edward Peretti
06-20-2002, 06:35 PM
Hey guys!

I'm still here :) I've been busy with work lately. What I could do is create ranges from hair up to hair down, to jacket on / off etc.
This would take longer, but the result would be nice. I'll have to look into the technical side of this later on.

If anyone can provide any insight on achieving this, please do. I remember striderx2048 mentioning something about surfaces. I'm guessing that's all in the NPC's right?

I'm currently setting mapping co-ordinates. I'll be working on the default skin, but if anyone wants to have a go at making a skin I'll see what I can do about an sdk.

btw - If anyone has heard of Edge Magazine, you can catch some of my work on the cover. The guy in the cap knealing in the middle of all the characters, is from the game I'm working on.

later!

Edd

striderx2048
06-20-2002, 09:44 PM
the jan model is an example of the surfs thing
the "torso with vest" is a completely different body then just the "torso alone"
i.e. you have to turn off "torst with vest" then turn on "torso alone"
if you dont, get back a blank space

you theoritlly model under the jacket, but some clipping issues might occur

http://www.jediknightii.net/files/index.php?link=file&id=223

get this file, it got the stuff on jan and the jedi2

Artic Blade
06-21-2002, 11:47 AM
two things.

1. i didnt think that mara jade had a ponytail. i thought it was just pulled back and left.

2. pulling the thread up from page 2

remark 666
06-21-2002, 01:47 PM
I heard of Edge, just haven't read it for a while :(

this is going to be so great, this model will be my fav female (this and that aayla one)

KMan
06-21-2002, 04:49 PM
Just model it all the same, but have each hair style as a separate grouping, then, when the skinner goes to do the model and sets up the skin file, they would link it to the nodraw shader.

Graphicsgod
06-22-2002, 12:13 AM
As long as she looks like the one from MOTS, I'll be a happy man. I didn't quite care for all the "expanded universe" ver.s that are out there.

And I would also like to say, I hope I can get a chance to skin her ;). Been wanting to do a MOTS Mara Jade skin for a while, just haven't gotten around to it.

Droidekas
06-22-2002, 07:32 AM
I hate the CTF version that only change color. It would be so nice to have a variation in each CTF char. Dunno it adds something that the game is missing, some depth, some variation. Don't forget some custom taunts and sounds! I'm sick of hearing tavion and jan.

Darkhold X
06-22-2002, 11:01 AM
I have a good taunt for mara that was from masters that I use for my mara skin. She says never underestimate my power.:)

remark 666
06-22-2002, 11:27 AM
Originally posted by Darkhold X
I have a good taunt for mara that was from masters that I use for my mara skin. She says never underestimate my power.:)

that would be a sweet taunt

Edward Peretti
06-22-2002, 08:07 PM
Heya,

Modeling the body underneath the coat at the moment. Does anybody know if you can add extra bones to the skeleton? I'm still thinking of ways to make the hair move a little more radicaly.

Also does anybody know why you can't view peoples custom models in the model viewer?

cheers for pointing out that file btw, striderx2048.

later


Edd

Edward Peretti
06-22-2002, 08:51 PM
I've also added a new image in the WIP page at
http://eperetti.tripod.com/workinprogress.html

I use the Jan model as a proportion reference.

Edd

striderx2048
06-22-2002, 10:45 PM
unzip it in the base directory with the correct directory structure?
ask the guys who did the aalya model, they got the lekku to move somewhat

morphius_doh
06-22-2002, 11:20 PM
Does the model, with her hair in a pony tail, have a different suit or is it just the angles that make it look that way?

On a side note....I'd release just the model without the hair pulled back, coz there are too many models out with the hair pulled back.

Edward Peretti
06-23-2002, 01:12 AM
striderx2048: cheers. I can view them now. I think the lekku is boned to certain areas of the body, so I'll try that.

morphius_doh: The model is what's underneath the suit. There will be variations of the player.

morphius_doh
06-24-2002, 06:10 AM
I see. just paint "Stupid" on my forehead. lol

Can't wait to see more screenshots.

remark 666
06-24-2002, 06:50 AM
yeah man, more screens :D

ronbrothers
06-24-2002, 09:06 AM
Your model is coming along very nicely! Can't wait to see this released.

Darkhold X
06-24-2002, 11:55 AM
Hooray a hip holster!:)

Any chances of the knee pads to make a complete ensemble?:)
http://www.starwars.jediknights.co.uk/Characters/Mara.jpg
I am sooooo going to be making a skin for her like that.:)

The Rel)ee(V)eR
06-24-2002, 12:31 PM
Hey Edward...it's coming along EXTREMELY well, but I was wondering if you were going to ditch the long flowy hair style? Cause i LOVED that...:-(

Edward Peretti
06-24-2002, 08:39 PM
she's still got the long hair, gonna work on it tonight. She has knee pads, though they're not that visible, but the shape's still intact.

computer crashed last night. Nearly lost everything :eek:

ronbrothers
06-24-2002, 09:04 PM
Oh brother! And I know that feeling so well when you think you've lost work that you've slaved over for weeks and the find that through some miracle, you saved it by the skin of your teeth!

morphius_doh
06-24-2002, 09:28 PM
Thank God you still have all the files!! Speaking of skin, when do you expect to be able to show us a rough draft of the skinned model?

No rush, just curious.

Edward Peretti
06-24-2002, 10:45 PM
Yeah, stress levels were rising! The problem was a corrupt or missing file in the system config. preventing my OS from starting. The only way I could think of fixing it was to re-install windows again. So whilst I could have been working on mara, I spent the whole day re-installing everything I had on my system :\

expect more updates soon :)

morphius_doh
06-24-2002, 10:54 PM
That blows! I hope you didn't have too many programs to re-install on top of re-installing the OS.

BTW, What version of Windows are you using?

morphius_doh
06-28-2002, 12:55 AM
Anything new to report?

Klorel
06-28-2002, 06:28 AM
will the knee pads be surfaces that can turn off as well? cause i'm sure people aren't going to want all the skins to have knee pads. its the same deal as Jans glove, theres no way around it, but it would be great if your model was a different story. I say on your model, all the extra "assories" should be deselctable surfaces. There would be sooo many different combinations, we'd probably never have to see another jan or tavion re-skin again. great work on the model too, looks 100 times better than the jan model.

Edward Peretti
06-28-2002, 09:21 PM
...windows 2000 :)

I've put mara on hold for a bit, but I plan to go back to her this weekend. I'll see what I can do about the kneepads.

later,

Edd

EmperorJello
07-03-2002, 02:47 PM
Try this... it's the latest picture of Mara Jade, from the essential guide to characters.

http://www.geocities.com/grandadmiraljello/mara.bmp

It's a geocities image, so copy paste the link.

Also... my image editor is a bit wacky, so I couldn't make the .bmp into a .jpg

In any case, see it... it'll be helpful.

t3rr0r
07-03-2002, 07:32 PM
Originally posted by EmperorJello
Try this... it's the latest picture of Mara Jade, from the essential guide to characters.

http://www.geocities.com/grandadmiraljello/mara.bmp

It's a geocities image, so copy paste the link.

Also... my image editor is a bit wacky, so I couldn't make the .bmp into a .jpg

In any case, see it... it'll be helpful.
the link is dead.

Bucke
07-04-2002, 05:46 AM
Originally posted by Edward Peretti
she's still got the long hair, gonna work on it tonight. She has knee pads, though they're not that visible, but the shape's still intact.

computer crashed last night. Nearly lost everything :eek:
great model
i think you should have the hair long but flat - as oppossed to big80s style.
It would be great if you had loads of surfaces like jackets etc
that you could turn off using surf files-so that skinners could use her as a base model

EmperorJello
07-04-2002, 05:57 AM
Ehh... let's see

http://www.villagephotos.com/pubbrowse.asp?selected=55886

Try that... It's not a direct link, but you'll see Mara instantly.

Edward Peretti
07-05-2002, 05:25 AM
Thanks EmperorJello, that's a cool pic and a useful piece of reference.

I've started to paint the body skin to which I'll add the clothes over

*Nudity!* http://eperetti.tripod.com/workinprogress.html

I haven't had much free time to work on her. But she is progessing ( slowely :\ )

t3rr0r
07-05-2002, 05:55 AM
looking good. :D
/me hopes one of the skins is the negtc version

BradFu
07-05-2002, 06:12 AM
Wow, looking good, Ed! Can't wait till it's done :) To repeat an often asked question, will you be throwing in some extra surfaces for customization purposes? :) I'd love to see some Tabards and belt on her so she can be a prequel-era Jedi :D It'll be cool to have a good female model to base skins on :D

Altimira
07-05-2002, 07:24 AM
Nice work Ed.

kenad
07-05-2002, 06:07 PM
She looks strangely manga-ish in that nudo photo.

Does she actually have um... nipple bumps?

:naughty:

darthweaver
07-07-2002, 04:10 AM
i think once this amazing looking model is done someone should make a leia, i have seen some one, rather blank leia skin but skinning this curvy model into a leia would be really good.

mara jade rocks so i am pleased to see this great model being made of her, looks amazing, keep us updated ed

morphius_doh
07-07-2002, 07:53 AM
Awsome work! I can't wait to see what the face will look like when you start painting it.

darthweaver
07-07-2002, 08:07 AM
any one got any idea when this model will come out? i so want it!

oh i would love to beta test it

Darkhold X
07-07-2002, 09:29 AM
holy crap!:) I must say wow, the face deffinatly looks different, but I like it. Kinda a younger look to it.:)

EmperorJello
07-08-2002, 10:35 AM
*cough* I wonder how long it will take until people start asking for nude models.

Still, you do have nice texturing on the latest W.I.P. picture and I commend you for the censors. ;)

inbredyokel
07-08-2002, 11:43 AM
I must say I really like the essential guide to characters pic, it seems to bear a striking resemblance to Jolene Blalock. I'm glad you've got a bit of that look going in your model, but it would be pretty cool if you could include the flatter hair style of the scan as a surface. The poofy one is ok, it just makes her look kind of like a porn star, or even worse, Rebecca from "Full House."

darthweaver
07-09-2002, 01:27 AM
any more updates? need...updates...before...death...of...staring...a tack...screen...

morphius_doh
07-09-2002, 08:12 PM
LOL

Tzar Sectus
07-10-2002, 07:11 AM
Wow, great work on the model. And I wouldn't mind seeing a version of the model which has as "much" clothes as the recent WIP picture :p

-Remi

EmperorJello
07-10-2002, 10:37 AM
*Cough*

I don't understand. Please explain.

;)

morphius_doh
07-11-2002, 03:10 AM
LOL

It would be much better than the current model type that's out, if ya know what I mean. :)

But seriously, will the face and/or hair of the model with the hair pulled back look very different? The only reason I ask is because the way the hair is pulled back resembols Jan too much.

Delmar
07-11-2002, 03:15 AM
Originally posted by EmperorJello
Ehh... let's see

http://www.villagephotos.com/pubbrowse.asp?selected=55886

Try that... It's not a direct link, but you'll see Mara instantly.

Is it just me or does she look like Gina Gershon in that pic?

http://starpoet.com/gina/gsnoops4.jpg

t3rr0r
07-11-2002, 03:16 AM
i think it's just you... but that's just my opinion.

Delmar
07-11-2002, 03:30 AM
it's the lips i think...

morphius_doh
07-11-2002, 03:38 AM
She looks more like Milla Jovovich to me. The drawing, not the photo.

EmperorJello
07-11-2002, 07:11 AM
No, they don't look the same.

EmperorJello
07-12-2002, 08:22 AM
*Force Pushes to the top*

Hello? Anyone...?

Altimira
07-12-2002, 08:48 AM
Im just waitin for an update:o.

EmperorJello
07-12-2002, 01:29 PM
Yeah.

Anyways... I've found another good picture from the NEGTC, so I'll post the link tomorrow.

žith Lord
07-12-2002, 01:41 PM
[newbie chant] ED!! please don't abandon her! its such a great model [\newbie chant]


sorry, I just would love to see this model released. I dont like begging people to update everyday, but you are doing such a great job on her. I hope the lack of updates are because you are working so hard on her. good luck cant wait to play as mara once again.

Lord Exar Kun27
07-13-2002, 08:31 AM
Yeah you defiently have to release this model. I haven't seen any Mara Jades as good as this, heck I haven't really seen any. I've played Masters of Teras Kasi, MotS, and read everybook that has had Mara in it so she is basically like a main character to me. I'm sure this would most likely be the most popular file ok jediknightii.net, climbing the charts faster than that Jar Jar Model(hmm, everyone hates Jar Jar, yet it is the most popular file, everyone likes Mara, oh the possibilites!) Hey if this goes good perhaps you'd do a decent Leia. Oh btw, you shjould create a model of the BlastTech DL-44 pistol( I saw it in the models holster) that we can actually use in game cause that would rock.
:duel:

DarkLord_44
07-13-2002, 10:34 AM
Me too. Mara is my favorite char. I have read all the Zahn books with her in it and soon I will be at the New Jedi Order. Right now reading Shadows of the Empire and just finished I, Jedi.

EmperorJello
07-13-2002, 11:48 AM
I've read them all. That's about 60 something... not including young adult or kiddie books.

t3rr0r
07-13-2002, 11:52 AM
Originally posted by EmperorJello
I've read them all. That's about 60 something... not including young adult or kiddie books.
i wish i owned all the books... i don't have very many, however i have all the young jedi knight books save one. :o i've just started my njo collection with vector prime. i'm gonna start that after i finish dune.

Edward Peretti
07-13-2002, 10:33 PM
I've been slowely working on her. The thing is I work for a games company and work on characters everyday, so it's hard to go home and do the same thing when you're exhausted from doing it at work. So I'm gonna spend a few hours on her at weekends.

The other issue is that I have to get permission to work on her and release her. When you work in the games industry, they technically own everything you do outside of work. Even if it's for personal, non-comercial use you need written permission to gain ownership over it. In this case not just models but maps, mods even coding etc.

I guess the companys that write this in their contract are just being cautious. My boss is quite easy going on it as long as you can explain how your work can't inflict the business in any way. After all you are part of the company.

On to Mara, I've updated the WIP page with a face. It's my interpretation of how the MOTS Mara would look and fit with Heidi Shannon's voice.

http://eperetti.tripod.com/workinprogress.html

morphius_doh
07-13-2002, 10:46 PM
I love the new face with all the new detail! There is only one thing that I can see that needs to be fixed, and that is the neck. The neck seems to be a little too long. Besides that, it's perfect!

Edward Peretti
07-14-2002, 12:50 AM
cheers, I'll look into the neck ;)

t3rr0r
07-14-2002, 12:55 AM
is there going to be a version like the one emperorjello posted? http://www.villagephotos.com/pubimage2.asp?id_=396334

Bucke
07-14-2002, 01:09 AM
Originally posted by morphius_doh
I love the new face with all the new detail!
same here - with all that detail you'd hardly need to skin it

morphius_doh
07-14-2002, 01:09 AM
There will be a hair pulled back verson as well as a loose hair, for lack of a beter term, version. As ton wheather it'll look like that pic, you'll have to ask Edward Peretti.

-Chrono_MOT-
07-14-2002, 01:17 AM
man what kinds of polys do you guys use to create humanoid models? I have no lucky whatsoever :P

EmperorJello
07-14-2002, 04:42 AM
Here's another pic from the NEGTC. This one doesn't seem to like to be saved to my HD, so I have a direct link to it.

http://www.acsu.buffalo.edu/~rclemons/Mara1.JPG

As for the update... wow. It's looking better than ever.

Impressive... most impressive. Your skills are complete.

t3rr0r
07-14-2002, 04:51 AM
Originally posted by EmperorJello
Here's another pic from the NEGTC.
it's nice, but not as good as the other one, imo. :cool:

Lord Exar Kun27
07-14-2002, 07:35 AM
Ok this model is gonna be really great, can't wait to see it all done. Dang, all that red tape stuff with your job has gotta suck. Well, can't wait for the model, and what kinda colors will you be using for the skin? Same ones as with MotS(Purple jacket with orange highlights, tan shirt and pants)?

EmperorJello
07-15-2002, 02:19 AM
I took another look at the last update, and I noticed some clothing being modeled now too. Great progress!

garak88
07-15-2002, 02:57 AM
I have to say that the modeled face looks incredible, I'm really looking forward to see what it will look like skinned. Great work!

Yoda_623
07-15-2002, 12:52 PM
Yeah it looks really cool. I can't wait to use it. Good Job!! :thumbsup: :thumbs1:

Darth-Ra
07-15-2002, 02:21 PM
Looking good, can't wait till you finish it. I bet it will kick some serious butt.

:elephant: :yeldance:

Frumpus
07-15-2002, 03:16 PM
Hey all.

BTW, Mara is looking GREAT!!

I saw a few of you were mentioning making a hair (or "other" body parts ;) that move and flow. Too bad that tutorial isn't going to happen.

I'm working on the Journey into the Dark mod for JK2 (a mod set in something like Tolkien's Silmarillion)

Here's an elven archer JackNeil is doing:
http://jitd.rtcwfiles.com/shots/Elvarch1.jpg

And here's a link to the elf I'm working on; she'll probably have a staff/spear and maybe a shortsword.
http://www.geocities.com/headkingpin/

This is my first model - just got GMax in June, and now that I'm nearly done the modelling part, I have to do the bones, weighting, etc (ALL new to me).

I would REALLY LIKE to weight her hair like Lara Croft's pony-tail from TombRaider, but don't know how. Tim "SpaceMonkey" Appleby (of Aurra Sing, and Aayla fame) is also on the team, but he's sometimes hard to get a hold of. He used the arms/back/neck to weight the Lekku for Aayla, but I'm looking for something even MORE outstanding. Any ideas? Or links to tutorials? Thanks.

žith Lord
07-15-2002, 03:55 PM
pimping on other peoples threads are we?? ;)

Eklin
07-16-2002, 12:56 AM
How exactly did you get that much detail into the model? It must have a pretty high polycount.

garak88
07-16-2002, 01:15 AM
Its a really nice model, Frumpus, and I'm sure I'll enjoy playing it when it comes out. Just one question though, why not make a new WIP thread rather then posting it here?

remark 666
07-17-2002, 05:59 PM
finally found this thread, keep up the work man, I really want her relesed :)

Klorel
07-18-2002, 09:21 AM
dude.... she's hot. :bounfire: :heart3:

Frumpus
07-19-2002, 01:49 AM
Doh! Been awhile since I've been on - had to troubleshoot my way through fdisking and formatting a new hard drive for the first time (more TROUBLE than anything)

Originally posted by žith Lord
pimping on other peoples threads are we?? ;)

Lol. . .. well. I guess I could have made a new thread, but I think it probably would have just gotten lost in the fray. I wanted the expertise of people already faced with the "weighting-hair" problem.

Call it what you will ;) but does anyone have any ideas about weighting the hair?

(BTW, I always save the polycount as part of the name; this one has 2262 polys now.)

iTeM
07-19-2002, 02:07 AM
Dude, is it just me or is Mara skinned in greyscale?

if so, why?

lookin' great however!

Reb Starblazer
07-19-2002, 02:42 AM
Actually, it's not skinned in greyscale. It's not skinned at all yet. That's what's truly amazing. This is going to be one awesome model when it's finished and skinned, good enough to do Mrs. Jade Skywalker justice.
And looking at that last pic(Marasface) it seems as her neck is almost too long. I know that it was too short before, but perhaps shorten it just the teeniest, tiniest bit. Maybe remove just 1/10th or so of the neck, and I think it will look perfect in my opinion. Mara isn't a very tall woman, she's even shorter than Luke, so I don't think she would have a very long neck. But my perception may be different than everyone elses. It's just my opinion, so do with it what you deem necessary.

Lord Exar Kun27
07-19-2002, 06:21 AM
Well if you can scale, which you really can't in MP models, Mara is 5feet 3 inches tall. Well thought I'd give you that info if it could help you.

EmperorJello
07-19-2002, 06:54 AM
Kyle: 1.8 m
Luke: 1.72 m
Mara: 1.6 m

BTW, you CAN scale models. You use Dest's Jedimod mod.

Sounds Risky
07-19-2002, 07:01 AM
Oh, you set Mara to 0.88 with JediMod, in case you didn't know.

inbredyokel
07-19-2002, 07:32 AM
Wow, that face looks astoundingly real. I am wanting this model more and more :D
I do hope you include a surfce with her hair down with the flatter look. Even if you hate how it looks, I still want to make a skin of that new essential guide to characters pic some day(not that you have to model new hair just because I say so or anything).

Adonai Saboath
07-19-2002, 07:36 AM
i'm pretty damn sure thats textured in grayscale....if not that would be several thousand polys more than our systems could handle.

nucular_jedi_14
07-19-2002, 10:47 AM
mara is hot! great model!

ronbrothers
07-19-2002, 11:06 AM
Really can't wait to see this one finished...:D ;) :p

Reb Starblazer
07-19-2002, 12:39 PM
You're probably right Adonai, you do know more about this than I do. It's just that item said "Skinned in greyscale" so I took it to meaning that the skin on the model was in greyscale. However, I gather a totaly different meaning from "Textured in greyscale", which may have been what item originally intended to put.

remark 666
07-20-2002, 06:20 AM
... bump ...

common man, let us see some more pics of THE best WIP girl model (and soon to be THE best girl model when it finally comes out) ^_^

Lord Exar Kun27
07-20-2002, 09:56 AM
Well it's the weekends now and he works so we may have a new update at the latest by Sunday...

remark 666
07-20-2002, 09:57 AM
I hope, he's doing a great job so far, looks just awesome :D

KMan
07-20-2002, 11:54 AM
Hey hey! Lookie what I found.

I knew your name sounded familiar to me.
:D

http://www.planetquake.com/polycount/contest/badgirl/640x480/crit_edwardper_f.jpg

Sniper Wolf
07-20-2002, 01:58 PM
Im very amazed at this model. You have made her not only accurate, but she also has a killer body. My friend and I had a long discussion about it and we came to the conclusion that this species of woman is on the verge of extinction. They exist only in a.) Victoria's Secrets catalogues b.) As popstars such as Britney Spears or c.) in catholic schools. :D I myself have come across this type of girl in school since I go to a catholic highschool. Ah its good to be me. Hehe.

Adonai Saboath
07-20-2002, 02:06 PM
i dunno what strange land YOU are from, but i see hotties like this everyday.....god bless latina women mmmmmm :D

remark 666
07-21-2002, 03:51 AM
it's sunday here, Ihope some progress has been made ^_^

iTeM
07-21-2002, 06:53 AM
I see no difference between "skinned in greyscale" and "texured in greyscale"...

these modelling terms are all the same to me ^_^;

s(ϡ)-b !thumbs up! d-(˛Ë)z

Edward Peretti
07-22-2002, 04:50 AM
Ahh, hey all!...um...not much updates. Been out drinking the whole weekend. Will try to work on her soon. I'm trying to convince my employers to let me release the underbody of the mesh, otherwise it may not see the light of day and I'll have to fuse the jacket and body together etc.

later

Edd

idontlikegeorge
07-22-2002, 05:29 AM
what the hell would your employers have to do with it?

Edward Peretti
07-22-2002, 02:01 PM
I made a brief explination on page 3 of the thread. I had another chat to my boss at the end of the day and he seemed pretty easy going about it. So I guess the plan is to release her naked ass in an SDK when she's finished. But be patient all. It could take a while.

remark 666
07-22-2002, 03:04 PM
yes, please, release the naked skin with the model, it'll save us a lot of time on extra skin for her ^_^

I'd take drinking over making the model so we'll wait longer (not like we have a choise *cough*) o_0

EmperorJello
07-24-2002, 02:36 AM
Excellent...

Wait, did I hear naked ass?

I'm an Emperor, she's an Emperor's Hand... Hmm

:o

What am I thinking! I have an Empress already...

*bows head down in shame and continues waiting*

t3rr0r
07-24-2002, 08:02 AM
is it too late to add little items to be turned on and off? :rolleyes: because you could kill multiple birds with just these suggestions. :)

mara jade: http://clan-cd.tripod.com/jk2/mara_jade2.txt
- the little neck wrap with goggles
- knee pads
- some sort of backpack

shira brie: http://clan-cd.tripod.com/jk2/shira_brie2.txt
- an empty holster on the left leg

don't get me wrong, i'm happy with everything thus far. :D i'd just be that much more happier. ;) also, mara and shira have similar hair and build.

inbredyokel
07-24-2002, 05:34 PM
Making the vest/jacket removable would be nice too, but I think you're already doing that. And uhh, did I mention the uhh ::cough::flatterhairstylefromthispicture http://clan-cd.tripod.com/jk2/mara_jade2.txt ::cough:: :D With such an awsome model, multiple awsome selectable surfaces would make for some awsome variety :)

t3rr0r
07-24-2002, 07:23 PM
yeah, you could do some real nice things with flatter hair and an alpha shader. :D shira brie is also sexay. :D

morphius_doh
07-27-2002, 06:35 PM
Anything new to report?

EmperorJello
07-29-2002, 12:57 AM
Up.

IPHDTD
07-29-2002, 01:20 PM
any updates on the progress of this model? like has any skinning been done yet? all ive seen has been unskinned models and they were put up a while ago

morphius_doh
07-30-2002, 09:38 AM
BUMP

EmperorJello
07-30-2002, 11:30 PM
*smacks thread to the TOP*

remark 666
07-31-2002, 02:36 AM
*kicks thread alive*

EmperorJello
07-31-2002, 05:44 PM
*pokes with stick*

ronbrothers
07-31-2002, 07:01 PM
Can't wait ... :p

KMan
07-31-2002, 07:14 PM
Quit bumping threads!!!
Do you think that some people have actual lives, and model in their hobbies?
When there is something important going on in this thread, you will know because it will be up here.

<JOTD>Jedi Hunter
08-01-2002, 06:54 PM
I love the power trips that the moderators get on... heh. I forgot how much better they are then me. Also forgot that the moderators know sooo much more then we the regular posters do. Geez, I have an idea, try laying off a little. :rolleyes:

ronbrothers
08-01-2002, 07:40 PM
I agree, it is a little blunt, jessman, but I guess you have to be more vigilant in moderating these forums when you have aholes like tru_weed_smoka out there. So I understand ...:fett:

<JOTD>Jedi Hunter
08-01-2002, 08:56 PM
hmm... good point.

remark 666
08-01-2002, 10:51 PM
Originally posted by kman@polycount
Quit bumping threads!!!
Do you think that some people have actual lives, and model in their hobbies?
When there is something important going on in this thread, you will know because it will be up here.

yeah but at least this way he knows we care enough

and we never said "drop your life and model, model MODEL!!!" we just want to know the progress, that's all :rolleyes:

this is like the best looking model, I care enough to bump his thread, I bet you don't yell at people who bump yours (or you just bump it yourself *cough*) :p

Edward Peretti
08-02-2002, 09:59 AM
Hi, sorry for the lack of updates. I'm taking a big break from my computer at home at the moment ( I'm starting to burn out at work :| )

but be sure to hear more soon...(ish)

in the meantime feel free to comment and stuff.

Edd

t3rr0r
08-02-2002, 10:22 AM
Originally posted by Edward Peretti
Hi, sorry for the lack of updates. I'm taking a big break from my computer at home at the moment ( I'm starting to burn out at work :| )

but be sure to hear more soon...(ish)

in the meantime feel free to comment and stuff.

Edd
did you consider my post about a few more surfaces? :rolleyes: those could also help with chracters other than mara and shira (don't know who, though). :)

morphius_doh
08-02-2002, 03:28 PM
Bump

(I do so because I care about this thread.)

megaman.exe
08-02-2002, 07:30 PM
I can't wait for this model to come out! Any estimate for when it will be released?:duel:

EmperorJello
08-06-2002, 02:03 AM
those could also help with chracters other than mara and shira (don't know who, though).

Believe me, there are LOTS of red-headed and green-eyed women in Star Wars. I'll need to go to TF.N's Lit Forum to find the list.

dreddsnott
08-06-2002, 03:00 AM
This is really the first beautiful, gorgeous model I've seen for JK2.

I don't see any flaws, but it would be nice if it was a versatile model with many characters/hairstyles/etc included in it.

Jedi Kyp Durron
08-06-2002, 08:48 PM
This is probably the best Female character that's in-the-works or out currently. All of the others have drawbacks:

A) They look like Jan/Tavion, which is no fun.

B) Are wearing no clothing which is well, just nasty, I mean who in there right mind would want to look at a naked computer-animated girl waving a lightsaber. I mean like save it for the real thing. Ya Know?

C) Look like some Sith/Droid/Green Skin freak that have nothing to do with Star Wars.

This is really good. The face looks nothing like Jan or Tavion :) It has alot to do with the Star Wars Galaxy :) and looks like it will be one of the best models for JK II :cool:


Go Mara Jade, Emperor's Hand

And Go Edward Peretti! Keep it Up! Way to Go!

Arkum
08-06-2002, 08:52 PM
cool model

t3rr0r
08-06-2002, 11:09 PM
Originally posted by EmperorJello
Believe me, there are LOTS of red-headed and green-eyed women in Star Wars. I'll need to go to TF.N's Lit Forum to find the list.
i was too lazy to look. :p but yes, there are lots of women who's build fits this model.

remark 666
08-08-2002, 06:21 AM
bump

morphius_doh
08-09-2002, 06:36 PM
Bump again!

DarkLord_44
08-11-2002, 12:00 PM
yet another bump

"thA dekMan"
08-11-2002, 12:17 PM
lookin good, and t3rr0r, those ideas would just be great, but i'd rather him just get the basics done. I find i don't bother to go into the console ingame to turn **** on and off neways...

t3rr0r
08-11-2002, 01:09 PM
Originally posted by dekMan:.
I find i don't bother to go into the console ingame to turn **** on and off neways...
well, they'd just be for different versions and different characters.

remark 666
08-12-2002, 05:14 AM
I really hope to see some more pics :)

morphius_doh
08-13-2002, 11:37 AM
Bump

Edward Peretti
08-13-2002, 05:39 PM
I'm gonna try to work on her this week. I do check up here from time to time so I haven't abandoned anything.

t3rr0r: I considered what you said, but I don't think I'll be adding anymore to the model. I want to keep it as simple as possible.

later,

Edd

"thA dekMan"
08-13-2002, 11:25 PM
Originally posted by t3rr0r

well, they'd just be for different versions and different characters.

but do u really care if she has a pair of sunglasses around her neck, or a pair of kneepads? I don't really care, but I guess it wouldn't be much to do.

And is that a pic of u t3rr0r? its cRaZy lol. What effect did u use on the eyes to get em like that?


er back on topic right.

morphius_doh
08-14-2002, 10:58 AM
That's a pic from the Sci Fi Channel's version of Dune. lol

t3rr0r
08-14-2002, 11:47 AM
Originally posted by dekMan:.
but do u really care if she has a pair of sunglasses around her neck, or a pair of kneepads? I don't really care, but I guess it wouldn't be much to do.
well, a bunch of surfaces is like having a bunch of different models. :D

and morphius_doh is correct. :cool:

"thA dekMan"
08-14-2002, 01:10 PM
oh lol my bad... i don't tend to watch the sci-fi channel very often :p let alone catch it when dune is on.

Sisko82
08-14-2002, 07:19 PM
Wow! Excellent work! I can't wait until this one is finished! Keep up the good work! :cool:

Zey
08-16-2002, 05:41 AM
*bump*

morphius_doh
08-19-2002, 11:08 AM
Any updates to report?

Edward Peretti
08-19-2002, 11:34 AM
I started more work on the texture. The texture is now one big map and the mesh is a whole, so no underbody I'm afraid. Also the long hair is gone :\ (and that's all final)

I've made my job work priority, which means taking it home, so I want to finish Mara as quickly as possible by simplifying everything.

Next update image will be a final finished render, before I go through the gruling task of getting her ingame.

later

Edd

idontlikegeorge
08-19-2002, 01:23 PM
cool, well good luck on it. im no longer interested. :(

Luuke
08-19-2002, 03:42 PM
cool, i hope you get it done. still one of my most wanted models!

Tzar Sectus
08-19-2002, 05:55 PM
Thanks for the update, it'll rock when it comes out. Although, honestly, I'm disappointed you had to cut down on things, it would have been really cool to have gotten everything.

-Remi

<JOTD>Jedi Hunter
08-19-2002, 07:08 PM
Well, I wouldn't complain. He's doing this in his spare time just so the legion of SW JO fans will be able to use it. I'm just grateful that he began work on it. It will be quite fun to play with Mara in game. I look forward to more updates. Keep up the great work.

remark 666
08-20-2002, 01:08 AM
this will be my most favorite female model, she'll rock big time! :)

idontlikegeorge
08-20-2002, 04:56 AM
oh yeah, dont take me wrong, its just now with no long hair and extra surfaces, its just a good-looking curvier jan. im sick of jan. i mean a tavion/jan model tweek with just some hair not pulled back would be a nice change.

Edward Peretti
08-20-2002, 11:37 AM
I see what you mean. Other than the hands and inner mouth, the mesh is entirely made from scratch. The hair out I modeled before looked boring. There wasn't much definition or shape to it, so I ditched it.

The hair would seperate it more from the others, you're right about that. I'll see if theres a way of converting the ponytail version. I am sure that her hair is out on the cover of the mots game. But it's very suttle.

BradFu
08-20-2002, 11:45 AM
I agree that having multiple hairstyles would really make this model great :D It shouldn't take a huge amount of extra time, and remember that surfaces that are turned off do not count toward the in-game polycount :)

Gram_Reaper
08-20-2002, 10:58 PM
thats would be awesome to have like three different hair styles. Add some uniqueness. Hey BradFu what happened to the thread on your bothan jedi master

Edward Peretti
08-27-2002, 05:42 PM
Added an image of the final model and partialy textured clothing

http://eperetti.tripod.com/workinprogress.html

thought I'd post somthing new :\

adillon
08-27-2002, 07:19 PM
very nice work, ed, very nice. :D

Grafox
08-28-2002, 03:10 AM
Looking good, ed!

remark 666
08-28-2002, 11:08 PM
awesome work so far, keep it up :)

<JOTD>Jedi Hunter
08-29-2002, 01:20 AM
Very good. I dont's notice anything wrong with it. It really looks great. I (and every other mara fan) appreciate all of your hard work. Thanks. :)

morphius_doh
09-04-2002, 02:32 PM
Looking good so far. I am looking forward to seeing any future updates!

Edward Peretti
09-08-2002, 06:14 PM
afraid not. I'm planning to use it for other things.

I'm modeling a pulled back hair female character at work which drove me to change her hair back to this...

http://eperetti.tripod.com/workinprogress.html

I haven't made much of a fuss with the long hair, so it looks simple but fairly effective.

Edd

mariners2001
09-08-2002, 06:18 PM
Looking very nice Ed...I'm so glad you decided to give her long hair as there are none out so far. When do you think it'll be ready for release? By the way, if you'd like some skinning help - contact me here (robinhawk@yahoo.com)

DarkLord_44
09-08-2002, 07:24 PM
I like the model either way. :jawa

žith Lord
09-08-2002, 07:28 PM
damnit, I liked the pulled back hair better, oh well its still awesome.

BradFu
09-08-2002, 08:32 PM
Whooo!! I like that new look! I also like the old look too :) Don't suppose you'd humor us and throw both in, one as an alternate surface? That would make this model truly great :D

(PS - I'm a Sith! YAY!)

t3rr0r
09-08-2002, 10:15 PM
w00t! both versions look very impressive. :D

fat_101
09-09-2002, 06:38 AM
W.O.W nuff said

FATTEH

morphius_doh
09-09-2002, 01:38 PM
I love the new look, can't wait to see what it looks like when it's skinned!

Jedi Kyp Durron
09-09-2002, 07:13 PM
Thats really good! Is this the first Skin/Model you've made? If it is you should have started doing this along time ago. Thats the best Model/Skin of Mara Jade I've seen. If it is a model everyone's going to be using it you know like first the only thing everyone used was reborns trillions and trillions of reborns. Then Tyrion I think, was the next model they used a trillion times. This one's probably gunna be the next. Its that good.

DarkLord_44
09-09-2002, 08:56 PM
He works for a game company.

fat_101
09-10-2002, 08:06 AM
well that would explain alot :D

FATTEH

Slade Renegade
09-10-2002, 05:39 PM
not to sound crude but can JK II suport animation? like hair waveing as you run and ahem breasts bounceing :P

and not sure if i was asked already but i'm sure alot of guys would love to see a naked version......

all in all the model is great! i always liked mara over the other females of SW.

IPHDTD
09-10-2002, 09:58 PM
Originally posted by Slade Renegade
not to sound crude but can JK II suport animation? like hair waveing as you run and ahem breasts bounceing :P

and not sure if i was asked already but i'm sure alot of guys would love to see a naked version......

all in all the model is great! i always liked mara over the other females of SW.


.....oooookaaaaaaayyyyyyy.......... :confused:

leXX
09-11-2002, 02:38 PM
Wow, that is looking really good! There is a serious lack of female models out and with this as a base for future modellers, I am looking forward to a good few female models in the near future! :thumbsup:

Slade Renegade> The only animated model I have seen is the matrix agent although parts don't move on it, only the texture.

Slade Renegade
09-11-2002, 03:00 PM
yeah the one gundam has blinking lights on it.... i guess soumething liek i was think might be possable when someone plays with sorce code

t3rr0r
09-11-2002, 06:22 PM
Originally posted by Slade Renegade
i guess soumething liek i was think might be possable when someone plays with sorce code
actually, all you need is to make a shader.

Jedi Kyp Durron
09-13-2002, 05:50 PM
A naked version sounds un-Star Wars, Slade Renegade. I would like to say that that would eliminate the purpose of making this just to make something like that. Also I would sugest that such a version be never released it is against Star Wars, if George Lucas put that sort of... stuff into the movies I'd go watch Star Trek er something.

This is a really good model and such a thing as Slade Renegade asked for should not be released except after extreme thought.

Jedi Kyp Durron
09-13-2002, 05:52 PM
Would also like to add that there are alot of perverts out there that downloaded the 'other' Jan and Tavion skins, and that was suprising is anyone else suprised at that? I mean thats disgusting, its not even 'real'....

Scarlet Widow
09-13-2002, 07:52 PM
How can they own anything you do outside of work? Is that just a standard contract you agree to when you work for a game studio? That's really sad :(

It's looking very nice though (i think i like her with her hair back better though, it'll look better in-game that way too since we don't have any kind of cloth rendering in Quake III), but i really hate that feeling when its like you couldn't put all your heart into it... it just doesn't feel like a piece of art anymore.

EmperorJello
09-14-2002, 02:26 AM
This is a really good model and such a thing as Slade Renegade asked for should not be released except after extreme thought.

Not quite. It could be used as a good base from which to make further skins.

If you've ever skinned for The Sims, then you would know that the skins in that game are based off naked models. Most people, hopefully, don't actually use those models in-game.

So since I hate the Jan model, and am not skilled enough to make my own, this would be a perfect base model.


Unfortunately, he said he doesn't have time to release the base model/skin or anything--just the Mara skin.

KMan
09-14-2002, 04:24 AM
Jello- Good point, but The Sims is a more casual game when it comes to character customization and skins.

It is more acceptable just to do a cut and paste job on top of the base skins for the Sims. I have seen so many crappy skins made that were pasted pictures of austin powers on top of a head with a nearly naked body with a british flag speedo that cries 'MSPaint'.

But in the First Person Shooter market, there is a more centralized group and community that enjoy making these things, and can do them from scratch. So cut/paste jobs and MS Paint or Paint Shop Pro re-colors are considered a half-arsed job and nobody takes them seriously as an artist.

idontlikegeorge
09-14-2002, 06:34 AM
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t3rr0r
09-14-2002, 01:06 PM
Originally posted by idontlikegeorge
anyway, like i said at the beginning, why not just have a basic skin out on the basic "nude" model

you dont have to model nipples or genitalia, and have a skin without those, and boom, a good base people can use, no stupid graphic nudity
now that's not a bad idea...

<JOTD>Jedi Hunter
09-15-2002, 01:16 AM
idontlikegeorge, please try and watch the language. This is a family environment. Let's try and keep it that way. Thanks

frendon
09-15-2002, 02:27 AM
:laughing: i find so funny that they deleted idonlikegeorge's post but the post is still quoted by t3rr0r so why bother to delete it then?

ASk
09-15-2002, 03:26 AM
That's because only part of it is quoted, and that is not the offensive part.

So there.

idontlikegeorge
09-15-2002, 05:04 AM
:rolleyes:

hey edward, are you going to make it so the mouth can move like the raven models? cuz itd be nice to be able to do those emote animations for a SP mod :)

frendon
09-15-2002, 11:54 AM
damn then I missed that part, I think that when you are done you should hand it over to toonces he is can do the facial animation parts for you.

The model is looking great, one of the fines models, i can't wait anymore!!!!!