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QuietSith
06-14-2002, 06:06 AM
I asked the maker of fanmod if he could put an option in to allow kicks to actually hurt during FFA duels (when you duell someone).

Currently in both 1.03 and 1.02 they don't hurt the person they just move or knock them over.

I think allowing HP (health point) loss during kicks in duel mode would speed up the duels and feel more like real sabering, just in a protected (from others) duel way.

What do you think?

Bluezman
06-14-2002, 07:53 AM
I dont like the idea.

Someone with a slightly better ping time can easily kick the opponent to death. The other one hardly stands a chance then.

Duels should be about saber fighting. I like long duels actually, no need to shorten them.

The Truthful Liar
06-14-2002, 07:57 AM
I say it's a good idea.

*votes yes* :p :D

QuietSith
06-14-2002, 08:06 AM
Originally posted by Bluezman
I dont like the idea.

Someone with a slightly better ping time can easily kick the opponent to death. The other one hardly stands a chance then.

Duels should be about saber fighting. I like long duels actually, no need to shorten them.

So you don't like it as an option?

TheSithLord
06-14-2002, 08:27 AM
personally i love kicking.......it really throws ur opponent off guard if they werent expecting it.....boom 20 hp lost...

QuietSith
06-14-2002, 08:59 AM
Be sure to vote yes, if you want the option. :)

The Truthful Liar
06-14-2002, 09:14 AM
YES YES YES YES YES YES!!! :D :D :D

I think it certainly is a must for FFA duels :p

Gooey
06-14-2002, 10:00 AM
Yeay, yet another advantage for lpbs.

:rolleyes:

Gooey
06-14-2002, 10:02 AM
but then again, it is only an option and can be turned off or you can go to another server. kickwhores will have a blast.

QuietSith
06-14-2002, 10:02 AM
Another advantage for LPB's?

If you don't have DSL or Cable (or equivalent) what are you doing playing games online?

Upgrade or play SP.

It's the same with hardware - if you don't have the power to run the game, upgrade or don't play.

It's very simple.

Gooey
06-14-2002, 10:13 AM
I love that rational

"upgrade or play sp"

One of the most idiotic comments to make for so many reasons that have been beat to death, and so I won't flog it anymore here. :D

In any case, I have t1 connection so I don't have to worry about nothing, but I see people with lower pings always at a disadvantage to those live to exploit that, so again, gotta go find another server or avoid the player with the ping in the teens.

Stick the option in the mod or not, does not concern me a bit cause I will not use it.

Swingin'Baws
06-14-2002, 10:26 AM
.....I've been duelling in FFAs for weeks, and I was never aware that my kicks were not harming the other player!!!!

Eeeeek! :)

Gooey
06-14-2002, 10:28 AM
lol

you never noticed that no matter how many times you would kick the guy, he would not die? :D

The Truthful Liar
06-14-2002, 10:31 AM
:rofl: :rofl: :rofl: :rofl: :rofl:

Fossil25
06-14-2002, 10:38 AM
i think that would be absolutely bad...
as a matter of fact, it may be fun using kick on your opponents...well most things are fun when you get them right and they give you a distinct advantage...the infamous backswing is one...but kicking should do much less damage or no damage at all whether or not in duels...

back to duels...no kicking...a duel is meant to be saber to saber...it isn't just supposed to be the absence of guns. after all, that's what star wars revolves a bout to a large extent, sabers and force (though force is duels is bad) and not acrobatics. doing 20 damage makes it worse. a saber hit doesn't always do 80 and sometimes deals 20 or so. yet, a saber is supposed to be a very powerful weapon. it takes 5 kicks to kill a person but at times you can use this plasma sword and slice off parts of your enemy and 5 may not even be enough? but the topic on strengths of the in-game sabers is something else.

out of duels...even out of sabers, it works the same. a blaster doesn't kill you with 1 shot from full health, perhaps with the exception of the charged shot. yet, a kick dealt to a jedi can wipe out a fifth of his energy and strength? even a distrupter only deals 30 damage unless charged further.

I personally feel that kick should merely knock the opponent to the ground. If really needed, perhaps let it deal quite little damage but then again, if it's gonna deal negligible damage, don't even let it do any damage ! What would be the point of kick without its damage? To knock your opponent to the ground ! It's would still be viable. Knock him and slice him or gain an advantage. Push could have been ineffective against him.

Fossil25
06-14-2002, 10:39 AM
that means for these FFA duels, i think a change in kicking would be bad....

Bluezman
06-14-2002, 11:09 AM
I love that rational

"upgrade or play sp"

One of the most idiotic comments to make for so many reasons that have been beat to death, and so I won't flog it anymore here.
Well, I will :D
QuietSith, I do have DSL and don't have problems if I play on servers in my area. Sometimes I like to play on certain servers in the US (I'm from Yurop) because they have special settings or mods I like. So even though I have the best available internet connection, I have to deal with pings of 150-200. Besides, even if you have good pings, a guy with 90 (which is good ping) would still be kicked to death by a guy with 50.

So you don't like it as an option?Well, options are always nice. So actually I wasn't really specific in my answer. An option would be ok though my preferred setting would be damage=off. As for the poll, it referred to the question if kicks should hurt, not if there should be an option in the mod. So actually I voted no, but I like the idea of an option :D

lol

you never noticed that no matter how many times you would kick the guy, he would not die? Hey, let's appreciate that, it means that he never kick-spammed! That's a good thing :D

els.DarkLord
06-14-2002, 01:17 PM
If you don't have DSL or Cable (or equivalent) what are you doing playing games online?

Upgrade or play SP.

I read this far.
Not any further, Man you disuqalified everything you might say after this with this one simple sententence. Outstanding I'd say...

Snake13
06-14-2002, 01:47 PM
Right now kicks in all modes except FFA dueling seem a little off, I've seen alot of kick spamming lately, the problem with kicking is that it doesn't leave you vunerable at all, if you miss you are still blocking full ability and you generally end up fal enough away from your target to avoid being slashed.

I think they should remove or minimize kick damage in all modes, then increase the probability for it to knock you down. When in the movies do you see a jedi or sith kicking people to death? in the movies kicks are always used to get then in a vunerable position

Cal-Gon Gin
06-14-2002, 02:20 PM
No, or minimal damage (5-10 hp tops). Kicks should be a strategy to be used--knocking folks off balance and leaving them open to a slash. But IMO thats as far as it should go.

Were running neck and neck now ;)

QuietSith
06-14-2002, 05:37 PM
Originally posted by els.DarkLord


I read this far.
Not any further, Man you disuqalified everything you might say after this with this one simple sententence. Outstanding I'd say...

Why is that?

Do you need to upgrade? ;)

deliboy007
06-14-2002, 05:47 PM
actually it should be the other way around, the kicking person takes damage in duels. i mean honestly how can someone kick someone holding a saber in front not take any damage? well i guess if he is wearing lugz. if someone gets a successful kick and knocks the other person down, you get up like an old person on life alert. this frequently allows the kicker to get a heavy slash in which needless to say deals a lot of damage. i think it should be fair to charge a little tax on the kicker to gain an advantage like that.

BlackDove
06-14-2002, 06:26 PM
I'll just vote "yes" to even the score on 11-11

Cal-Gon Gin
06-14-2002, 06:54 PM
:p

;)

BlackDove
06-14-2002, 06:55 PM
Well he didn't set the 3rd option, as in: "I don't give a **** about the topic", and I had to vote, so I did...

IamYourFather
06-14-2002, 08:16 PM
How do you kick someone......:c3po:

BlackDove
06-14-2002, 08:55 PM
When you are close to them, double tap the jump key

Jedi2k2
06-14-2002, 09:09 PM
Originally posted by QuietSith
I asked the maker of fanmod if he could put an option in to allow kicks to actually hurt during FFA duels (when you duell someone).

Currently in both 1.03 and 1.02 they don't hurt the person they just move or knock them over.

I think allowing HP (health point) loss during kicks in duel mode would speed up the duels and feel more like real sabering, just in a protected (from others) duel way.

What do you think?

well you need to kick the n00bs out just like whenever Kal El comes in my server begging to play I gatta kick him out

BlackDove
06-14-2002, 09:12 PM
Yeah, because otherwise I would beat him 20 - -20

Exterminator234
06-14-2002, 10:20 PM
i personally like to make things realistic. if you got kicked in real life, would it hurt?

Iblis Reborn
06-14-2002, 10:57 PM
i think it should do damage

especially since saber throw is in!

TheJackal
06-14-2002, 11:45 PM
hum...



I am pretty certain kicking DOES damage.

I've killed over 5 people by kicking them!

DireTan
06-15-2002, 03:16 AM
I want more Moves other then the ones we have originaly have besides Kick it looks like Id like a standing side kick like In Episode 1 I would really like Double saber to look more realistic they way DarthMaul held his with 2 hands in a Horizontal position so that it didnt scar the ground.. BAH this will never come true even tho I know all of you want!~

Gooey
06-16-2002, 06:31 PM
bumpage for more people to vote and throw their 2cents in

Lord_PhilMil
06-21-2002, 12:16 PM
Kicking is great once you learn to do it.!!