View Full Version : ugh!!!
06-21-2002, 11:06 AM
the other night...i quit playing JK2 i was soo fed up with some things. I was in a server..and EVERY time i saw these guys, 3 of em...they would do force pull and then backsweep/stab you. They must have done it over 20 or 30 times. I just disconnected i was so fed up with it. It is NOT fun when people go around doing that. So now mostly i play in no force, saber only servers. They seem to be the most fun, however occasionally some person spams kick or baskstab...but its easier to counter it when they dont act like a pussy and pull you every time.
06-21-2002, 11:26 AM
ya i learned a long time ago that force powers make the game extremely unbalanced and way too easy to get cheap frags, just like you i eventually got sick of it. I only play on no force servers now, at least that way you can have some fights that are decided by skill.
06-21-2002, 11:59 AM
I kind of take exception to this notion that only "skilled" players play no-Force duels.
There are many CTF gunners that are extremely skilled and can consistently pull off almost inhuman accuracy with their shots. Are they skilled? Of course.
Put the very same player in a saber only server and watch how things change.
The same goes for sabers.
Take a no-Force duel player who can utterly dominate his competition and place him in a full-Force server, or put a gun in his hand and watch how things change.
Offensive skill requires 2 things.
1-The ability to actually do your attack, and since 99% of the moves in this game only require you to press "this button+that button", most people can do them.
2-The ability to know when to do it, as in the most opportune moment.
Defensive skill requires 2 things also.
1-The ability to predict and react quickly to your opponents attacks.
2-The knowledge of the most effective and/or proper defensive counter against your opponents attack.
That right there ^^^ is the most common reason players complain about Force powers.
I am not saying everyone who complains is unskilled, but the vast majority that complain do so because they simply have not learned the proper defense and have become frustrated.
When 1.03 first came out I got pulled and backstabbed non-stop. And yes, I got pretty pissed off at it.
Now if someone gets me with it, I will stop and compliment them because the proper defenses have become a reflexive action from doing them for so long that I almost never fall for it.
Full-Force duels are really a game of "Jedi Chess". Every move, action and attack has a proper counter, just as no Force duels do.
If I run at an experienced NF duel player slashing wildly, I will die.
The same goes for Full-Force duels. You run around backwards, constantly try and pull someone, Spam lightning, constantly saber throw, you are going to do nothing more than deplete your power, be left defenseless, and die.
06-21-2002, 12:23 PM
All true. I consider myself a damn good nf dueler, and have never even touched a ffa or ctf game. You CANNOT spam me with any one move, I've seen enough of it that I can avoid everything.
However, pull/backstab is too powerfull, and makes for a boring fight.
06-21-2002, 12:29 PM
I have noticed your replies and advice in numerous threads and I agree whole-heartedly with the rationale that you use. If someone beats you with a move, be it pull/bs or a simple saber toss, if you fail to react/adapt you lose.
Like you I learned about absorb/protect or whatever defense is necessary to defeat most moves; and I profit (in kills) on people who spam moves of any kind. Does this mean that I don't get the living crap beat out of me sometimes by pull/bs, DFA, kick spammers? Hell, no.
But if I do, it's my own damn fault;)
BTW, love that signature.
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