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Chewie Bakker
06-21-2002, 10:20 PM
There seems to a large discussion on the advantages, disadvantages of Absorb.

I've listed a few of the thoughts regarding this issue and placed them in a nice poll, so we can see what the general JK2 community feels about the great debate. The options I've listed are:

Absorb is fine. You have no problems with Absorb. Leave Absorb as is.

Absorb's not the problem. Absorb and Pull + Backstab is. Your main problem is that when a lightsider has Absorb on, they are able to use the pull and backstab manouver without you able to counter.

Absorb robs a Dark Jedi of their offensive powers. The main reason you go with the dark side is to fry people with lightning, and grip them, etc... and Absorb means I can't do this.

Absorb gives the Light Jedi the offensive 'edge.' You believe that while on Absorb, a lightsider has more offensive Force options that a darksider.

Leave the game alone and start playing it. You're sick of all the whining about the game. Adapt and survive is your motto.

Absorb is useless against my 1337 (dark) Jedi skillz. Bring it on! You believe that Absorb only drains a Jedi of their valuable Force pool and in the end gives you the advantage.

Fossil25
06-21-2002, 11:00 PM
this is good ! :D

QuietSith
06-21-2002, 11:22 PM
I'm all for this one:

"Absorb's not the problem. Absorb and Pull + Backstab is. Your main problem is that when a lightsider has Absorb on, they are able to use the pull and backstab manouver without you able to counter. "

Chewie Bakker
06-21-2002, 11:30 PM
Feel free to leave a short explaination of what you voted for and why (Like QuietSith has). Some input on how you think Absorb could be fixed or why you think 'fixing' it will ruin it will be welcome also.

If you want to say something longer than a couple of lines, though, I suggest going to the thread Absorb? Cheesy Power (http://64.246.44.70/~lucasforums.com/showthread.php?s=&threadid=62575) and having your say there.

:gben: (http://64.246.44.70/~lucasforums.com/showthread.php?s=&threadid=62575) The Force will be with you, always.

SpyCatcher
06-21-2002, 11:35 PM
None of the individual force powers are the single issue. Using "script" is the problem for the casual gamer. Yesterday I witnessed a clan named "TK-" using "speed + absorb" force powers at the same time. When I asked where they got the script the entire clan started telling how great they were...oh well.

Hirogen
06-22-2002, 12:06 AM
Said it before, ive voted so i may aswell say it again - Absorb has been made way too efective, so much so that no other force power rivals it, or counters it. Which other force power equals its effectiveness? A player can maintain Absorb indefinately - Theres your answer. Thats without mentioning Absorb/Pull/Backstab.

XERXES
06-22-2002, 12:19 AM
"Absorb\'s not the problem. Absorb AND Pull + backstab is."

yeah, that pretty much sums it up, although absorb is not used as often...

Lord_PhilMil
06-22-2002, 01:22 AM
I try to throw people off the edge with grip but just when im ready they put absorb on and i can't getem!!
also iv never seen a jedi use absorb in a movie!!

Wes Janson SMR
06-22-2002, 01:25 AM
Heh. Absorb. Serves those Force Drain whores right. '-)

PhilMil, dude. Yoda and Obi-Wan make proficient use of it in EPII. Pay attention at the end.

SpyCatcher
06-22-2002, 01:30 AM
Reality check.....it's just a movie "nothing is real about it....

http://mumma.ou.edu/starline.wmv

Fossil25
06-22-2002, 01:38 AM
yeah...obi uses his saber while yoda uses his hand though...dunno why the difference...

i voted for nothing wrong with absorb...
my explanation...i actually wrote a lot in the other thread...but seeing that the main 2 being chosen at the moment are 'abosrb is fine' and the 2nd one about 'absorb with Pull/Backstab is the probelm', i'll just explain why i chose the former over the latter...

simply, whether or not absorb is on your opponent, he can still pull/backstab you. it doesn't increase his pull power or his BS power. many say this is an unavoidable unblockable situation. that would mean you cannot auto-block, cannot kill him while you're on the ground, cannot use force to (example) push him away. So even without absorb, he can pull you down say when you are running or slashing and do the BS on you.

SpyCatcher
06-22-2002, 02:03 AM
Here is coding exploit for you" turn on absorb your weapons can not be pulled from you.

CapNColostomy
06-22-2002, 02:11 AM
I've never even tried absorb. And what the hell is 1337?

CapNColostomy
06-22-2002, 02:13 AM
Originally posted by XERXES
"Absorb\'s not the problem. Absorb AND Pull + backstab is."

yeah, that pretty much sums it up, although absorb is not used as often...

I take it you haven't seen Episode II?

WarteX
06-22-2002, 02:32 AM
CapNColostomy: 1337 means elite :)

I choose absorb is fine, bcoz absorb r for those who want a saber fight and not a force contest. Most players use it for such occasions. I think its the most honest force power in the game.

I think the mana system should b as it was in Dark forces 2, there would b less force spamming.

Luc Solar
06-22-2002, 02:41 AM
LMAO!
I was just about to vote, when I read the "Absorb is useless against my 1337 (dark) Jedi skillz" and it totally cracked me up. :D :D

Good one!

"l337 Jedi skillZ" LoL!


Anyway...I don't see absord as a problem when it's not used "offensively". I guy whos' constantly spamming repeater alt-fire with absorb on can be a pain in the butt... (No need to mention pull-&-sweep, I believe.)

In a one-on-one mano-a-mano fight a dark jedi is dead meat. But in a typical 15-player FFA, a lightning-whore can rack up impressive results.


Never leave your house without absorb, my friends.

Anyway...I see absorb as a way to get good fights. Otherwise it's simply "pullsweeppushogripvertheedge", which is boring.

flight wing
06-22-2002, 02:59 AM
ok, hears my view, all you have to do, when someone uses force absorb is to just hack 'em down don't worry about it. But it is pretty cheap when they blow you down to the ground with force push/pull then it take you forever to get back up, and then they stab you (that's what I voted for) it's just very annoying to have that done to you, but, if you use force grip, try to find a ledge, and drop 'em off it, qucikly, or you can point straight up quickly enough, then you can push them and do some damage, then you go for the kill. Anyway, I got carried away, so, STAY COOL :cool:

-Mike

Wes Janson
06-22-2002, 06:15 AM
The nappy pull, spin, and backstab maneuver...

That's exactly why I have one star invested in Force Protect. Though the Pull+Backastab usually doesn't affect me - because I've got three-star push - I always have my hotkey (and Gamecommander 2) ready to momentarilly switch on protect just as I start getting up. It not only protects me from the backstab, but the little weiner who tried to cheap-kill me always gets a little naster surprise: a 'Saber up the arse.

Works every time... Just as long as I have the Force mana, that is. '-)

Pier
06-22-2002, 07:07 AM
I voted Absorb is Fine. Of course, I play primarily as a Light side Jedi. :)

That's just the way it is in games. I can remember not too long ago when people complained high and low about the use (and abuse) of the Dark Side powers, namely Lightning and Drain.

I don't perform cheap moves like Pull+Backstab though. That's for 114m4z.

It all balances out, people. Adapt or get fragged.

Yoda_623
06-22-2002, 07:51 AM
I'm a light side jedi,but i don't bother to use absorb. I mainly focus on the saber and fighting with it. Plus my clans server is so fast absorb is really no use on it.

Chewie Bakker
06-22-2002, 12:28 PM
Okay, this is really a shameless *bump*

So far...
#1 Absorb + pull and backstab is the prob with 14 votes.
#2 Absorb is fine with 9 votes.
#3 Absorb nulls Dark Jedi, Absorb gives Light the offensive, and Leave the game alone and start playing it with 3 votes each.
#4 Absorb is useless against my 1337 skillz with one vote.

C'mon people, make your vote count!

:gben: The Force will be with you, always.

Citanul
06-22-2002, 01:41 PM
Absorb is great!

It's effective, and it forces the two players to fight evenly with no force. I understand that the lighsiders who use Absorb along itwh pull and backstab are pretty gay, but they're using up force that won't be regenerated as long as Absorb is on.

I guess it sort of balances out.

[RAA]-=Chi3f=-
06-22-2002, 03:17 PM
Yoda_623, does your guy have 7 weiners on his forehead?LOL:eek:

I think NEforce spammer can be....dealt with. Absorb-whores, as some put it :) , can taste my blade.

I don't have a problem with it

Darth Ball
06-22-2002, 03:36 PM
i voted that absorb is useless agianst my elite jedi skillz

when evr i see a guy with absorb on i wait till it runs out,lightning him and then finish him off with my saber
ha ha ha

Chewie Bakker
06-22-2002, 08:16 PM
Keep it up.

Judge me by my size, do you? And where you should not, for my ally is the Force, and a powerful ally it is. Life creates it. Makes it grow. It's energy surrounds us, and binds us. Luminous beings are we, not this crude matter. You must feel the Force around you.

Fossil25
06-22-2002, 08:34 PM
if it's to do with absorb ppl not being able to have their guns pulled away, there are many ways to escape

Chewie Bakker
06-23-2002, 10:55 PM
It looks like everyone has finished voting. The final (?) results are:

#1 Absorb + pull and backstab is the problem with 19 votes.
#2 Absorb is fine with 12 votes.
#3 Absorb gives Light the offensive edge, and Leave the game alone and start playing it with 4 votes each.
#4 Absorb is useless against my 1337 skillz, and Absorb robs a dark Jedi of their offensive powers with 3 votes each.

Final thought...
It seems to me that when you're arguing about a computer game, you're not playing it. Perhaps the best thing to do when you're being owned by a spammed move is to learn from it, and take the opportunity to find which strategy best counters that particular move. Games are, after all, supposed to be fun, and whining is niether fun nor productive. We'll see you all next week, but in the meantime take care of yourself, and eachother.
Queue cheesy talk-show music

:gben: Now to take Ben's advice: Let go and let this thread sink into the mists of time.