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Saber_Trails
06-23-2002, 07:36 AM
maybe raven should code it to where pressing 1 would open the 1st blade and pressing 1 again would make the 2nd blade come out and pressing it a 3rd time would close them both? that would be cool and then everyone could use whatever they wanted but im sure most people would use the double blade cuz of its better chance to hit..hmmm any ideas on this?

Yoda_623
06-23-2002, 08:18 AM
Yeah not a bad idea. But with the fan mod you can do that. You can activate and deactivate the saber. But you can't close them at the same time.

Saber_Trails
06-23-2002, 08:35 AM
yeah but the fanmod nerfs backstab and probally sweep hardcore
i couldnt even kill bots with backstab and i was sure i hit them
thats lame,

anyway
i think maybe they could put the code for my idea into the next patch i know they wont see this idea or anything but what do you guys think? a good idea or no?

Havikar
06-23-2002, 09:56 AM
thinks backstab needs to be nerfed i bet you where one of those damn strong whores and jumping all the time.

Saber_Trails
06-23-2002, 10:09 AM
uh backstab owns and i dont use strong at all only weak and medium

Darth Ball
06-23-2002, 12:34 PM
u r a silly monkey :monkey4:
u r supposed to say backstab pwnz

ha ha ha ha ha ha

backstab shouldnt be overused then it is hated

Cutter69
06-24-2002, 02:33 PM
yes but it'd be so much better if you didn't have to be on a non-pure server to have a dual blade saber, and i think that duels would be a lot better, plus they could add new moves, which they really need so that not every move is backstab

mythren
06-24-2002, 02:45 PM
If double-bladed sabers became a normal thing, then people would invariably choose them over single-bladed for obvious reasons...

However, if you allowed singles to, say, backstab, but not doubles (or any other cool attack, but one that is devestating), then you'd have more of a choice.

Saber_Trails
06-24-2002, 03:54 PM
thats a good idea but the blocking is also increased with double bladed cuz i tried to fight my friend single vs his double and he owned me by just a few slashes, i had 100/100 and were on the same skill level. so double bladed is too strong i guess 2 blades should be weaker damage and no specials. that way they could make it so pressing 1=single, pressing 1 again = double, pressing 1 = holster it

[RAA]-=Chi3f=-
06-24-2002, 04:41 PM
I like your idea.

Duel saber should be a player config (from the menu). An easy switch :dsaber:

The duel saber hit should count as one hit on each swing. Like if somebody backswings, it counts as an entire motion and not as two blades.

The blocking should be tweaked to equal out a regular saber and it should have a different stance like MAUL's single hand slashes.

Lord_Rive x
06-25-2002, 01:40 AM
ok mod makers, if you reading, this is what double saber users are wanting:

-new animations so that you dont just stab yourself repeatedly and if possible make the swings differentent. (ala Darth maul using alot of spins to utilize both ends of his saber.)

-weakened power, make each side half of what a single blade is. this would make the two hits of a single double saber swing do the same amount of damage.

-a double saber stance

-togglable (single blade/double blade/off). It would be crazy but i guess you might could make it where only the bottom half is on to make it like a long dagger type weap.

ok the ppl have spoken.......thx for reading

mythren
06-25-2002, 03:38 AM
Balancing would be a huge issue, I suspect...

We'd have to make there be advantages and disadvantages to both....

I like the way the double-blade deflects and attacks with both sides, taking that away would be kinda pointless, because what's the fun of having a double-bladed saber if both of them aren't completely effective the entire time their out?

My suggestion: Tweak damage down to 3/4 of the current damage (don't want wussy sabers, now do we?), make it so their a style slower (Blue style would be like regular yellow, yellow like red, red even slower), and remove the ability to do Backsweeps (not the backstab, mind you, I was playing with the Darth Maul skin with a double and did a backstab, it was straight-outta-the-movies cool! Ironically, some dude with a green saber came along [a bot], and cut me in half at the waist...go figure), and maybe remove DFA (I don't use DFA at all unless it just happens because Im whacking buttons, I know that it's an insta-kill move [I think :)], but it's slow...so might be keepable)...

Just my suggestions...nobody has to like them :)

Saber_Trails
06-25-2002, 05:10 AM
so you think someone will actually do it?

thaumaturgy
06-25-2002, 05:54 AM
My $00.02,

Double-bladed weaponry is too strong defensively, especially on (the growing in popularity) ghoul2/sabertrace enabled servers. I was playing in an FFA saber only (force enabled) room, and there were two players with dual blades enabled (using a mod? not sure). In any case I couldn't penetrate their defenses for the life of me (I tried attack tactics with all three stances), and all they used for attacks was the Blue stance lunge, which is basically a double dose of nearly-1-hit-kill. I had to resort to Lightning/Grip/saber throw tactics in order to score kills against these players.

If a mod were to be made, I'm not sure how this could be adressed in a fair fashion, since two blades are supposed to = twice the offensive/defensive capability. Maybe if there were a way to adjust ghoul2 collision so it was a high percentage (70%) chance of blocking rather than all-or-none (as it seems to be right now), then a dual blade would be more fair to us single-bladers.

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SaberPro
06-25-2002, 06:16 AM
If there is a double-bladed saber in the next patch...

first the server would choose if it is allowed to be used in the game...

Then we are going to need new animations for the double-bladed saber...or else it'd be too strong...probably a new set of double-bladed saber stances (much like Darth Maul; new attacks, new defenses, new weaknesses so the game could be balanced) Another good feature would be to cut thru the double saber and make it single bladed :)

And probably more hehe and THAT is nice

Saber_Trails
06-25-2002, 08:14 AM
yeah if you could break one of the sides that would be cool
i prefer the single blade anyway so its cool. only reason i would ever want or need double blade is to re-enact the classic battle between maul vs obi

mythren
06-26-2002, 12:10 AM
Of course, being the kinda person I am, if I had the actual choice, I'd want to dual-wield sabers. That's not a double bladed one, mind you, that's a single-bladed one in each hand.

[RAA]-=Chi3f=-
06-26-2002, 12:21 AM
Originally posted by mythren
Of course, being the kinda person I am, if I had the actual choice, I'd want to dual-wield sabers. That's not a double bladed one, mind you, that's a single-bladed one in each hand.

I prefer a single blade. It's the traditional, ancient style that all other forms of sword-play spawned from. Bojutsu, though, would be more like a double bladed sabre. Neither one has an advantage in real life, but in the game they should be set up evenly :cool:

Saber_Trails
06-26-2002, 01:52 AM
now the question is will any of this actually happen?

-[MotU]-Lyger|=-
06-26-2002, 05:57 AM
id say they should make the option of having either a single blade or a double blade lightsabers in the(if they make)1.04 patch. it should be right when you just get on a server, in the blue screen where you have to pic your character model and saber color, insted of the saber color you should first have to pic between single or double. and there should be different stances for double, as well as new ones for single. there should be like 4 for each Fast Classic Stronge Acrobatic and the ability to be able to combine 2 of them. what a great idea huh? someone should email this idea to raven

Pedantic
06-26-2002, 06:08 AM
You could email them. :D

Crazyredneck86
06-26-2002, 11:25 AM
Easy to solve problem.

If u use a double bladed saber u get half the force power-points or half the health.

Same if u have dual sabers, which u should have.

This would balance it.

This were my 2 cents worth of ideas

-[MotU]-Lyger|=-
06-26-2002, 12:29 PM
i dont think it should be like that at all, i think it would be a force skill, and speaking of the force powers i think it would be better to pic between light dark and inbetween, you could pic 3 fav force powers or pic light or dark. anyway back to the 2x blade lightsabers. i think it should be like a force power you have to put points to it to make your skill with it alot more. kinda like how the lightsaber thing is already

Saber_Trails
06-27-2002, 09:00 AM
yeah that still wouldnt balance it because the double blade has double chance to hit and double damage its pretty much near impossible to kill someone using a 1 blade vs their 2 blade

Pedantic
06-27-2002, 09:03 AM
Maybe have the double have slower attacks. As in: not able to swing around like a crazy man, but rather new animations that can take advantage of the two blades.

HellFyre69
06-27-2002, 10:22 AM
well i dont c the point in making a mod to change the dual blade. I Think it should stay tradionally with only a single blade, and not dual. But Lowering the stats and all for dual blade seems a good idea... eh eh

mythren
06-27-2002, 12:22 PM
I think Lyger (or a similair spelling) had a good idea going:

Make the Dual/Double Sabers cost a heft amount of Force Points, and leave Dual Sabers like they are, and adding Double Sabers (if It's possible), with the same effects, but make them cost a TON of Force Points, so basically you had the choice of a better saber, or better force...a better "Wizard", so to speak, or a better Melee Character.

Sounds logical to me...

Saber_Trails
06-27-2002, 12:44 PM
then no one would use single, i think double should be nerfed to match single blocking/damage except damage per blade should be half but faster i guess

-[MotU]-Lyger|=-
06-27-2002, 03:29 PM
Originally posted by mythren
I think Lyger (or a similair spelling) had a good idea going:

Make the Dual/Double Sabers cost a heft amount of Force Points, and leave Dual Sabers like they are, and adding Double Sabers (if It's possible), with the same effects, but make them cost a TON of Force Points, so basically you had the choice of a better saber, or better force...a better "Wizard", so to speak, or a better Melee Character.

Sounds logical to me...


kinda like that but make it be just like how it is now, it goes 3 5 7 or whatever i think single blade should get more or new and better stances if they have 2x and x2 sabers.

-[MotU]-Lyger|=-
06-27-2002, 03:30 PM
Originally posted by Saber_Trails
then no one would use single, i think double should be nerfed to match single blocking/damage except damage per blade should be half but faster i guess

id use single no matter what. just like Yun and Obi :D :D. but get hella good with it so i could go against double saber with skill like Obi but better:cool:

Pedantic
06-27-2002, 04:28 PM
Mmmm...or Yoda. Yes, you seek Yoda! ;) :D

Saber_Trails
06-28-2002, 10:33 AM
no no we seek balance with double and single and for it to be hardcoded into the game

MasterD-LeyAmas
06-28-2002, 05:11 PM
So, umm, does anybody here have any idea of what's involved with what you're talking about. I do. And if you want to get anyone to start working on this, you need to post a request over at the coding forums, because nobody else will be able to do this. Sounds like a good idea, though.

mythren
06-28-2002, 11:01 PM
Originally posted by MasterD-LeyAmas
So, umm, does anybody here have any idea of what's involved with what you're talking about. I do. And if you want to get anyone to start working on this, you need to post a request over at the coding forums, because nobody else will be able to do this. Sounds like a good idea, though.

He's got a point... :).

I just come up with ideas, it's up to people with slightly more knowledge and probably a less completely-abstract mentality to code it :).

Saber_Trails
06-29-2002, 06:37 AM
we are the dreamers and the coders are the inventors..

Saber_Trails
06-29-2002, 11:39 PM
so is someone gonna request this in the coding section?

james_chelliah
06-30-2002, 12:47 AM
well theres a mod called kaiburrsaga.com

JEDI OUTCAST
06-30-2002, 03:36 AM
Yep they did a good job.there.

Saber_Trails
07-03-2002, 11:24 AM
that mod is dead thats what the news topic says basically..

WasteLock
07-04-2002, 04:39 AM
Ok forgive my n00bness, but what does DFA stand for?

TC- Jedi Acidic
07-05-2002, 10:48 AM
I think that the Dual Blade should have its own force point collective... With no points it acts as 1/4 the power of a normal saber. then the most it can get to is 5/4 but make the last point SERIOUSLY A LARGE AMOUNT!!!! like 12..

That way it would give an advantage but not a big one.. and a disadvantage to using the dual blade..


Thats my idea..

BTW: DFA stands for Death From Above...

Vaper1701
07-10-2002, 12:31 AM
my 2 cents worth relating to the dual blade....

I understand how people feel that the dual blade is superior and way to hard to break throught its defences but isn't that the point! I mean the wilder of the weapon being darth maul from episode 1 had years of training with this weapon and he used it to take on 2 jedi's not one, he used a single to fight Qui gon the first time so why not have that in the game, don't take away the dual blade advantage because thats the whole reason for its existance, instead make the multiplayer so that only a very few can use it, kinda like a rule in multiplayer that ie...every 3rd player can use it, so that any dual blade weilder has too fight more than 1 foe, this will even up the fighting, another way to do it would be to has the second blade activate when you get to enemy jedi's com close enough to you for combat but disengage the second blade when thiers only one still around....... personally I like the challenge of trying to single blade dual against a dual blade and the only real changes needed are the saber stance with the dual blad and the animations as well......,

Beefotron X
07-10-2002, 06:28 AM
Here's one idea to solve the double/dual saber issue.

Add a new Force alignment, other than Light or Dark, and only allow double/dual sabers in the 3rd alignment. This would bereave the 2-blade people of the Dark attacks, or the Light defenses. What the Neutral people get instead is the option to take levels in Dual and/or Double saber attack.

The two-blade people would be unable to heal without bacta or medpacks, unable to use Absorb, and unable to do lightning or grip.

Mind Trick and Dark Rage, they might be okay things to give to the Neutral people if it doesn't interfere too much.

TC- Jedi Acidic
07-10-2002, 07:52 AM
The idea of having the dual/double saber needing force points or a new alignment seems the best we're gonna get. Because that way they will be deprived of more useful things like heal etc...

To make the dual saber equal to the single saber, like Vaper said... Is taking the whole idea of the dual saber away. Everyone would take a dual saber because their better and the single saber would most likely be left untouched.. (I prefer the single saber because the double sabers animation keeps finding its way inside my hip)

I think a very good idea was to only activate the 2nd saber when an anemy comes into what would normally be the distance that u initiate a fight.

But their still have to be some kind of disadvantage to people who choose to do this (or advantages to people who dont which would probably be better). But we dont want everyone to take the double saber, because its better.... We want them to take what their better with....

mythren
07-10-2002, 10:12 AM
I like the idea! :)

TC- Jedi Acidic
07-10-2002, 10:19 AM
The idea of having the 2nd saber pop out when two enemies is near, should only be a feature in team ffa or ctf.. That way it'll be 2 people vs 1 with a dual saber..

Cuz having 3 people with dual sabers dueling all the time isnt really fun, i think it should be made for tffa or ctf only if we use that feature.

Is there a link to somewhere where we can get people who code mods and patches to look?

TC- Jedi Acidic
07-10-2002, 10:22 AM
The idea of having the 2nd saber pop out when two enemies is near, should only be a feature in team ffa or ctf.. That way it'll be 2 people vs 1 with a dual saber..

Cuz having 3 people with dual sabers dueling all the time isnt really fun, i think it should be made for tffa or ctf only if we use that feature.

Is there a link to somewhere where we can get people who code mods and patches to look?


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