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QuietSith
06-23-2002, 07:59 PM
How to connect to the server:

Name:

Rage and Honor (GSD)

65.113.116.20:28072

Note to those connecting:

Turn on autodownload so you can be sure to connect.

Also, in your console (shift ~) type:

/cg_dismember 300

Setup:

The current setup is FFA Sabre Only Full Force - up to 12 players.

Extra maps that we use:

You can download the maps at their respective links, or turn on autodownload for your client - the server will send you the file when you begin connection - but it is faster to download them directly and put the pk3's in your 'gamedata/base' directory.

The server also has custom maps:

1. ffaepisode1

http://www.jk2files.com/file.info?2734

2. ffa_carbonfreeze

http://www.jk2files.com/file.info?2287

3. irgcoruscantfinal

http://www.jk2files.com/file.info?3142

4. Imperial Waste Facility

http://www.jk2files.com/file.info?2906

Voting is on, so you can vote for a different map at anytime.

If you have any map suggestions that I should include feel free to reply here.

I'm very open to suggestions on how to make this the best "FFA Saber Only Full Force" Server around.

I'm running this server with GSD and JK 2 ++.

The combination of both will cause you to either play in the utter joy of actually using your skill or if you are an assfighter or someone who depends on exploits, you will absolutely hate this server.

It's offical:

This server will not let you assfight.

It's a cross-breed between 1.02 and 1.03. It all has the things that 1.03 offers, that are good, and restores the things that 1.02 had that were lost.

As you use this server will notice that everything is perfectly balanced - no nerfs, just right where it should.

I knew that GSD and JK 2 ++ are a wonderful combination.

Play it for awhile and you'll notice it too - it's what JK 2 should be.

ASE users:

http://www.udpsoft.com/eye/

When you run ASE do the following:

Filter - New

Name JK 2 ++

(In the filter put the following): <--- don't put this in:

1 if servertype != "JK2" remove
2 if gamename ~== "JK2++" keep
3 remove

Click on Normal Filter.

Click OK.

Right click on the "JK 2 ++" Filter on the very bottom under "My Filters", choose refresh, and you'll quickly find mine and other JK 2 ++ servers.

More on JK 2 ++:

http://dev.wdonline.com/jk2pp/

GSD = Ghoul 2, Sabertrace off (less auto defensive sabering), and Dismemberment.

Luc Solar
06-23-2002, 08:42 PM
Great!

I logged on for a while just now, and it seems you were quite right. Skill really does matter now!
I was not killed once during the whole time! Ha! Ph34r my l337 skillz! PH34R!!! :lightning


Next time I hope someone else will be on too...can't even spawn bots, cause it's a server only-thing. :( It got a tad boring, even though I totally Owned. :D :rolleyes:

I did notice that the blue lunge-exploit was gone... Dunno what else has changed, though..

QuietSith
06-23-2002, 08:47 PM
Haha .. yes.

Trust me, get some more people going with you and I promise you the exploiters and assfighters will really be upset with the server settings.

But those who cherish true saber and force fighting will be in love with JK 2 again. :)

QuietSith
06-23-2002, 08:53 PM
Until more people join, I added some bots, you can test all the exploits on them and see if they work, but they won't. :)

Luc Solar
06-23-2002, 09:01 PM
Heh.. thanks, I'll give it a go :)

Let's see how Desann counters the infamous butt-attack.. :cool:

Luc Solar
06-23-2002, 09:58 PM
OH MY GOD!


You can kiss your assfighting ways goodbye on this server, folks!

I don't know exactly how effective the sweep/stab is against bots usually, (hardly ever play against them) but I assfought these ones for ages without getting a single kill!

(And by assfighting, I mean constantly doing the 180 degree turn + sweep/stab..not aimlessly walking around backwards.)

DFA works as it should, but you can forget about scoring butt first :) .

Great job, QuietSith!

I'd love to hear details about what was changed...the damage/ blockability or what?

Orangina_Rouge
06-23-2002, 10:48 PM
Well the good thing i can say about your settings is that they are actually the Best for 1.03 for FFA saber only and overall i think i can actually have some fun with them

This being said as i foreseen and said in another post, the TRUE problem of 1.03 saber appears clearly on your server : The insane blockin rate even with sabertrace = 0 ( i don t know how ppl can say it s like old 1.02 blockin system )
This makes the fights lasts for an eternity ( and boring after a moment IMO ) , makes Strong Stance totally useless and overall still involves more luck than skill when u hit someone with your saber through the GODLY guard

Also this invites to using the another still usefull combo : Throw + push/pull
For those who dunno what i m talkin about just think that the anim of defending against push/pull break your guard .......too bad if a saber is flyin towards u :D

So to conclude this don t be in a urge to nerf this combo ( wich involves skill ) cause it s not the fault of the "exploits" but of the saber system itself ....BLOCKIN a saber hitting your butt just doesn t feel right and Blockin when u attack ( wich means u doesn t intend to defend ) too

ryudom
06-23-2002, 11:30 PM
the TRUE problem of 1.03 saber appears clearly on your server : The insane blockin rate

what?? i can get in with medium and strong easily as pie. you just have to dogde blows and counter, or get behind them.

Orangina_Rouge
06-23-2002, 11:37 PM
you just have to dogde blows and counter, or get behind them.

I m talkin about 1.03 man .....not 1.02 :rolleyes:

Picasso
06-24-2002, 01:43 AM
Originally posted by Luc Solar

(And by assfighting, I mean constantly doing the 180 degree turn + sweep/stab..not aimlessly walking around backwards.)

O M F G!!!!!
So now i can't use the backstab/backsweep without being called an assfighter? That's using the move, assfighting is running backwards you fool.. :eek:

Emon
06-24-2002, 01:44 AM
I'd rather run U104, I think it's MUCH better than that crap JK2++.

Homosexual Ewok
06-24-2002, 01:55 AM
This is what you would call a "Special Olympics" server.

Give those who can't compete on a level with their peers a place to shine...

QuietSith
06-24-2002, 02:10 AM
Special Olympics?

I'll bet you haven't even tried the server.

It's actually more difficult to fight for some people, because it's much easier to die on this server.

But I guess you can't do your assfighting and exploits so hence it's 'retarded'.

You're such a troll... and it's boring.

QuietSith
06-24-2002, 02:14 AM
The server is using Ghoul 2 (for the highly accurate hits), Sabertrace off (so saber defense is more like 1.02), and dismemberment at 300 (so body parts go flying).

That's all on top of the JK 2 ++ mod:

http://dev.wdonline.com/jk2pp/

As people try the server against each other, and bots, or whatever, you'll find some of the really upset types are those who enjoyed their one hit kill expoits and backstabbing - and probably couldn't handle force powers in 1.02.

Either way, the server is here to stay like this - if you don't like it, don't play it.

But if you do enjoy an actual challenge, come join! :)

WD_Rage
06-24-2002, 02:15 AM
Originally posted by Emon
I'd rather run U104, I think it's MUCH better than that crap JK2++.

I am interested in why you think it's crap. I appreciate your comment, however, without anything else to go on except "crap", how are we supposed to make it better?

Orangina_Rouge
06-24-2002, 02:16 AM
Don t worry Quietsith .....i guess that ppl going on your server don t have trouble winning in boring 1.03 normal servers

After all it only recquire to turn absorb on, roll toward some moron, pull him and finish him :rolleyes:

Sure it recquire ( some ) skill against other lightsiders ( mostly manage your force pool with absorb ) but it s surely ain t fun

Homo ewok don t understand that this server is not for losers but for winners fed up to have to use same old gay trick :o

Orangina_Rouge
06-24-2002, 02:21 AM
Originally posted by QuietSith
Sabertrace off (so saber defense is more like 1.02)

I have to disagree with that ......
Never while playing ( and i still play it a lot ) 1.02 did i ever see someone block from all angles and so much

Honestly i can have fun ( and that is a great feat considering this is 1.03 ) on your server but this is nothing compared to old 1.02 ( mostly due to overblockin )

WD_Rage
06-24-2002, 02:23 AM
Originally posted by Orangina_Rouge


I have to disagree with that ......
Never while playing ( and i still play it a lot ) 1.02 did i ever see someone block from all angles and so much

Honestly i can have fun ( and that is a great feat considering this is 1.03 ) on your server but this is nothing compared to old 1.02 ( mostly due to overblockin )

We're currently working on the blocking aspect.

Orangina_Rouge
06-24-2002, 02:24 AM
Originally posted by WD_Rage


We're currently working on the blocking aspect.

Man ...u re my Hero :D

QuietSith
06-24-2002, 02:36 AM
Rage rules. :)

This server will be updated with the latest JK 2 ++ stuff, so no worries.

Luc Solar
06-24-2002, 03:15 AM
Originally posted by Picasso

O M F G!!!!!
So now i can't use the backstab/backsweep without being called an assfighter? That's using the move, assfighting is running backwards you fool.. :eek:


You know, I was trying to clarify that THE REASON why I didn't get any kills wasn't that I couldn't hit anything (as in walking backwards hoping to bump into a bot, but without luck).

I executed backstabs and sweeps 24/7 without getting kills.

But yes, I call it Assfighting if you do a 180 turn *every time* an opponent gets close and fight them butt to face. Someone who blindly walks backwards is simply a retarded assfighter.

Using the backstab is not assfighting.

Hope this clears things up. :rolleyes:

QuietSith
06-24-2002, 03:18 AM
At the time of this post there are a few of us on, come on in!

VIO
06-24-2002, 03:36 AM
that sucks who are you to decide wat are the "skillfull" things from the versions, im not an assfighter i hate them i have skill but please, its not "skill" to change the versions around till you get wat you like "skill" is mastering the version thats out and useing it to your advantage

Cabren
06-24-2002, 03:49 AM
Don't waste your breath. Skill is a foreign word to this kind of person.

QuietSith
06-24-2002, 05:13 AM
So there was about 5 - 6 of you guys on there .. what did you think of the server and the settings so far?

Feedback please ....

Thank you.

P.S. Feel free to PM me if you have any sort of problems or questions.

ryudom
06-24-2002, 06:27 AM
I m talkin about 1.03 man .....not 1.02

i also was talking about 1.03

Mercen4ry
06-24-2002, 08:27 AM
Well, it's good to know that someone has been listening to the battlecry of the 1.03 whiner. :D After dispatching 3 backstabbers in a row on my favorite Base 1.03, Full Force, Gun server (ok, so I'm a gunwhore in general. :cool: ), I'm about ready for a change, so I'll give your server a spin. Just one problem I can see from here:

While ffaepisode 1 is an excellent map, it's also a bit large for 12 ppl and lags like hell in the large platform room, even on my 1.7ghz machine with a Radeon DDR 32mb video card (don't get me started on this; I loathe the card, but it works with most FPS games).

Also, will you be adding the Wired Lamp Studios mappack when it's released? (that is, if it supports FFA)

That's about it for now. Merc out. :fett:

QuietSith
06-24-2002, 08:30 AM
Not a problem there...

I'll check out their mappack.

If you PM me with your e-mail I'll put you on a server update/suggestion list and I can start a listbot e-mail for the server.

That way I can take complaints, suggestions, and people can share betters to have the server run. :)

If it's on FFA Episode 1 go ahead and vote for carbonfreeze - just mention people will get better FPS.

As I'm writing this it's on carbonfreeze right now and it's much smaller and faster.

NeoTrunks
06-24-2002, 11:25 AM
I rather enjoy his server. I was there from a few hours after he set it up to help him fine tune it some more. I think it's really nice. It truly takes more skill to score a hit. I disagree about it being luck with the blocking. You have to know what stance your fighting in very very well. That way whenever you see the slightest opening for an attack, you do so, right on the spot, and I guarantee that you'll score a hit. It was harder for me. I won't deny that. But I think it's more fun that way. It feels a lot more cinematic, the way I think it should be. It shouldn't take too long to duel, that will only happen if you're just taking random swings at each other. Now that is the part that takes luck.

Noodleboy
06-24-2002, 12:02 PM
I just got back from playing on this server, and it rocks. The people are friendly, and the ghoul2 and sabertrace provide for really fun saber battles. I am by no means a "l33t" player, but I play the game for enjoyment, and have no problem being legitimately worked over by someone in a fair fight. I have also noticed that even in the short time I was playing, that I had to re-think some tactics, and I feel that paying on this server frequently will increase my skill level. I encourage all cool mellow people who desire fun saber battles to check out this server. QuietSith is to be commended.

thanks
Noodleboy aka Bender aka "hey Baby"

Mercen4ry
06-24-2002, 03:12 PM
All I have to say is: fun. I cannot recall having such a good time on any one server at any one time since 1.02, and that's the way it should be. Sure, it *could* be a special olympics or considered as a mod and brushed aside where skill is concerned by some folks, but it was enjoyable, and that's the entire aim of JK2 and any other video game. Not free kills from spamming a move over and over. Not the pathetic flames over chat as one person gets fed up from said kills. Just plain fun. :D

At this moment, I am adding the server to my favorites list and am about to write a post to a server admin friend to ask him to emulate these settings. If any of you reading this post were / are as tired as I am about the spammers that have been in question for so long, please stop on by - you won't be disappointed. :cool:

Merc out. :fett:

SaiyanJedi
06-24-2002, 03:41 PM
well the server rules no lame at all *shocked* :eek:

anywayz il come more often on this forum and to that server

welcome me :rolleyes:

Lunatic Jedi
06-24-2002, 04:04 PM
I'll have to try that server! I'm SO sick of assfighters but I'm going to have a lot of downloading to do (damn 56k). Rest assured, I'll definitely go to that server.

Just so you recognize me, my name's Darth Gherkin in-game.

<>Phant0m<>
06-24-2002, 07:35 PM
Sounds like peepz are enjoying your server Quietsith, ill download the map packs and stuff and hopefully give it a go 2nite.

:eyeraise:

ryudom
06-24-2002, 08:48 PM
i find there are very little, almost none even, ass fighters on duel servers

Swarf
06-24-2002, 11:18 PM
A few of us were playing there last night. It was great! The custom maps were also very nicely done. You guys should come play here!

QuietSith
06-24-2002, 11:21 PM
Yes, I'm very happy to hear people are enjoying the server.

My small clan just attached itself to a very large clan (we are now their Jedi Division) which will include forums, chats, etc.

Since the clan is so big, and members can donate a small fee, this server is pretty much here to stay and may grow in size.

Let me know if anyone is interested in the clan.

You have to be willing to have fun yet be a bit competitive when necessary (for matches - but that's still for fun) and not be into cheating or exploits, etc.

Aside from that plug ...

The server will always publc, so feel free to PM me or reply here if you have any complaints, suggestions, or want to discuss what's going on with the server, etc.

I'm also planning on subscribing to a listbot email thing that's for the server, so we can have a discussion thread there - and hopefully include other servers that want to use these settings.

If you are interested in being a part of that mailing list or the clan - please PM and I'll put your name on the list when I get it started.

:)

QuietSith
06-24-2002, 11:22 PM
Here's a couple questions:

1. What should the time limit be per map (right now it's 20)?

2. What should the frag limit be per map (right now it's 15)?

Thank you.

Nobodi Kenobi
06-25-2002, 05:48 AM
Quiet Sith

I was on your sever the other afternoon and at first it had a high ping, but now it seems to be in the mid 50s for me. Very nice.

Would you consider limiting force powers to only push, pull, jump, saber attack and defense?

I know it sounds limiting, but:

A) This would keep lightning spammers and hopefully, script-kiddie BSers away (at least for a while).

and...

B) These are the only really powers they use in the movies.

Now of course, for competitive play and practice it is good to use everything in your arsenal and I could live with all force enabled as well. Just a thought.

Also, is there a way to enable Dessann's and Tavion's swings on the server WITHOUT using the Fan's Mod (which also gives Double Bladed lightsaber which I don't find all that appealing or useful)?

I just ask because I think the way the stances (yellow and blue) are currently nerfed, these additional two almost make up for it in that Tavion's is a slightly faster and stronger yellow and Dessan's a one-handed Red that still takes skill to use (I use these stances in SP training against NPCs in the ladder and you still need to switch and know what you're doing to make at least as far as Tavion).

Anyway, nice server.

It's one my favorites list in ASE :)

P.S.

Timelimit - 30 (that's a fair amount of time especially for a large group FFA or Team FFA)

Fraglimit - 30 (same rationale; gives newbies a chance to get in a few kills before the map changes)

WD_Rage
06-25-2002, 06:33 AM
Originally posted by Nobodi Kenobi
Quiet Sith

A) This would keep lightning spammers and hopefully, script-kiddie BSers away (at least for a while).

and...

B) These are the only really powers they use in the movies.

[/B]

Lightning now has a balance: absorb and drain. In JK2++, drain has been unnerfed (albeit, JK2++ beta 2 has a slightly weak drain, but that will be fixed in beta 3).

Pedantic
06-25-2002, 06:54 AM
What's JK2++?

QuietSith
06-25-2002, 10:32 AM
Originally posted by Nobodi Kenobi
Quiet Sith

I was on your sever the other afternoon and at first it had a high ping, but now it seems to be in the mid 50s for me. Very nice.

Would you consider limiting force powers to only push, pull, jump, saber attack and defense?

I know it sounds limiting, but:

A) This would keep lightning spammers and hopefully, script-kiddie BSers away (at least for a while).

and...

B) These are the only really powers they use in the movies.

Now of course, for competitive play and practice it is good to use everything in your arsenal and I could live with all force enabled as well. Just a thought.

Also, is there a way to enable Dessann's and Tavion's swings on the server WITHOUT using the Fan's Mod (which also gives Double Bladed lightsaber which I don't find all that appealing or useful)?

I just ask because I think the way the stances (yellow and blue) are currently nerfed, these additional two almost make up for it in that Tavion's is a slightly faster and stronger yellow and Dessan's a one-handed Red that still takes skill to use (I use these stances in SP training against NPCs in the ladder and you still need to switch and know what you're doing to make at least as far as Tavion).

Anyway, nice server.

It's one my favorites list in ASE :)

P.S.

Timelimit - 30 (that's a fair amount of time especially for a large group FFA or Team FFA)

Fraglimit - 30 (same rationale; gives newbies a chance to get in a few kills before the map changes)

I'd rather not limit any force powers - people can counter each one using JK 2 ++ - light absorb/heal, and dark has drain to stop the lightening guys.

Looks like the next release will have better drain - this has a tendency to affect all the lightening spammers like it did in 1.02.

I'll check into the server frag/timelimits and reach a happy medium.

I hope you continue to come back! :)

QuietSith
06-25-2002, 10:36 AM
Originally posted by Pedantic
What's JK2++?

http://dev.wdonline.com/jk2pp/