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Lime-Light
06-24-2002, 12:28 PM
IF I LOSE ONE MORE DUEL TO A LOSER NEWB WHO LEARNED BACKSTAB I WILL KILL SOMETHING.

I have done nothing but saber away at these newbs, coming 1, 2 hp's from killing them and them right before the final blow they ****ING BACKSTAB ME AND I ****ING LOSE. I HAVE HAD ENOUGH. I SHOULDNT HAVE TO GO LOOKING FOR REASONABLE SERVERS (which are getting numbered) JUST TO HAVE A FUN EXPERIENCE. IF YOU ARE A BACKSTAB ABUSER, I WANT TO HEAR FROM YOU, SO I CAN FIND OUT WHERE YOU LIVE AND DESTROY YOUR COMPUTER.

Raven_Xwing
06-24-2002, 12:30 PM
Preach it Lime, I agree with you 100 % Ass fighters suck!

crusher_khan
06-24-2002, 12:35 PM
I couldnt agree you guys more. These ass fighters always kill me when my absorb runs out. It really pisses me off.

Lime-Light
06-24-2002, 12:37 PM
Whoa...lotsa caps there...

I was pissed. Not so much now though, cause I'm gonna get an assfighter-killer script and whenever a lamer assfights I'll WASTE him. Then he'll leave. And I'll be happy. Happy thoughts.

Homosexual Ewok
06-24-2002, 01:52 PM
I never lose to people who run around backwards...:D
I never run around backwards either...:D
Seriously though, I know what you mean about a new guy and a lucky backstab.

As pretty much a duel only player I have found (let's say no Force for arguments sake) an easy way to avoid spazzing newbies who run/hop around aimlessly and then go into a "backwards Rambo rage" is to simply stand your ground and let them get right up against you.
Just as they get into backstab range take a *very light step back, then as they begin the sweep/stab animation a fast strafe to the closest side combined with forward and a quick strafe back in will put you out of harms way and into position for your own sweep/stab.

Now if they are doing the sweep/mouse spin stay a little out and do a red stance overhand chop or a yellow stance finisher, both work fine.

Granted you need to pay attention to their saber stance (and what decent duel player does not?) to know if a straight stab or wide sweep is on its way.
The rest is just quick reflexes.

QuietSith
06-24-2002, 01:57 PM
Originally posted by Lime-Light
IF I LOSE ONE MORE DUEL TO A LOSER NEWB WHO LEARNED BACKSTAB I WILL KILL SOMETHING.

I have done nothing but saber away at these newbs, coming 1, 2 hp's from killing them and them right before the final blow they ****ING BACKSTAB ME AND I ****ING LOSE. I HAVE HAD ENOUGH. I SHOULDNT HAVE TO GO LOOKING FOR REASONABLE SERVERS (which are getting numbered) JUST TO HAVE A FUN EXPERIENCE. IF YOU ARE A BACKSTAB ABUSER, I WANT TO HEAR FROM YOU, SO I CAN FIND OUT WHERE YOU LIVE AND DESTROY YOUR COMPUTER.

I'm also starting a clan - we have our own server, forum, and chat, so drop me a pm if you are interested and I'll get you more information.

For now, here may be your solution:

http://www.lucasforums.com/showthread.php?s=&threadid=64272

jarek
06-24-2002, 02:00 PM
Originally posted by Lime-Light
IF I LOSE ONE MORE DUEL TO A LOSER NEWB WHO LEARNED BACKSTAB I WILL KILL SOMETHING.

I have done nothing but saber away at these newbs, coming 1, 2 hp's from killing them and them right before the final blow they ****ING BACKSTAB ME AND I ****ING LOSE. I HAVE HAD ENOUGH. I SHOULDNT HAVE TO GO LOOKING FOR REASONABLE SERVERS (which are getting numbered) JUST TO HAVE A FUN EXPERIENCE. IF YOU ARE A BACKSTAB ABUSER, I WANT TO HEAR FROM YOU, SO I CAN FIND OUT WHERE YOU LIVE AND DESTROY YOUR COMPUTER.

lol, damnit that was so funny! i laughed so hard that the soda i was drinking nearly came outta my nose.

SeraphimII
06-24-2002, 03:10 PM
Try nf duels! Backstabing is a little move controled there to the point where almost all n00b bsers are easy to beat. The sad fact is thers the 'skilled', use that term VERY losely, bsers. The kind that when u charge them and they charge u they turn around at the last sec to do a bs. Or the kind that lag ur computer with never ending skin chages that gives just enough time too kill u.

Lately I've been able to completly kill most of my bs's. Now I only do them verses a laggers(the kind that jump around your screen and takeshots out b4 u see them), ass fighters, or generally all asswipes.

Venik
06-24-2002, 03:54 PM
I love Butt fighters..they make great Sabre fodder. They all are easy to kill..just back off em..until they stop..then strike fast and get away again...or I run at them..then either ver left or right and swing accordingly and you catch them while in mid back stab with neck hit..works all the time..try it..takes timing but I have faith in my fellow butt fighter haters. now go get em

Isildur29
06-25-2002, 01:37 AM
dude, if you are getting constantly killed by backstabbers, I'm sorry to break it to you, but you stink.

as for your innane babbling threats: :p puh-leze, it's all I can do not to insult you personally for coming off like just another dork on the internet who spouts off about bustin somebody up behind the security of his online annonymity.

<quote fixed - thanks!>
"You are the one's who are the ball lickers!"

CapNColostomy
06-25-2002, 02:13 AM
If it was Jay you were quoting it's " YOU ARE THE ONE'S WHO ARE BALL LICKERS!" FYI.

Master Rooster
06-25-2002, 02:45 AM
However well you know how t kill an arse-fighter, you are bound to mistime a hit, or step back tpoo slowly, or make some tiny mistake and lose. The frusration is not because you fight badly, but that your foe's victory has been due to you making a slip rather than their skill.

I know how to kill a BSer, and the angry man who started the thread probably does too. That doesn't stop it being annoying when some incompetant buffoon beats you just because you make an ineviatble mistake.

Isildur29
06-25-2002, 04:54 AM
That doesn't stop it being annoying when some incompetant buffoon beats you just because you make an ineviatble mistake.

:D

well...yeah, but that's part of the game - its not like b/s is the only way someone who doesn't know what they are doing can occasionally kill you.

If there was legitimately no way to avoid/escape/defend against the b/s move, I would feel more inclined to be tolerant to the sentiment behind this post. However, this is not the case. Furthermore, however legitmate the gripe, blasting off like this fool did is simply assinine and no less retarded/juvenile/offensive than those dorks who run around desperately trying to blunder their way into a kill.

The push/pull b/s ISN'T a simple execution in mp - it DOES take some coordination and timing, ESP since anyone who doesn't have their head up their butt knows to watch for it and knows what to do about it. Thus, on the rare occasion that someone manages to get me w/ it I know that one of two things happened: some n00b just got lucky or somebody out maneuvered me - both are frustrating but neither warrent some childish tantrum.

Lime-Light
06-25-2002, 04:57 AM
I am an excelent saber-ist, and I only play on nf duel servers. Before, whenever a lamer started b/sing all the time I just left, so I never really got good at avoiding them. Now I just go berserk, and usually get them too, but its increadibly frustrating when I dont.

And QuietSith, I'm already in a clan, but yours does sound interesting...

Isildar, if you dont like my behavior, report me to a mod, and leave. I do have every right to post what I did, and I let he censor do its job, unlike most others. And as for pull/bs, I dont see how theres any diffuculty in that, just as there is none in doing a 180, pressing backpeddal and attacking. There is, however, skill in wittling away at an opponent for 3 minutes with calculated swipes, then getting wasted by a slip with some pathetically easy move.

Emon
06-25-2002, 05:27 AM
Just play with the U104 mod. It's basically the compiled source code that came with the SDK, and this code is what Raven was going to make into the 1.04 patch, but LEC won't let them release it.

You can download this mod from Massassi.net or right here at JKII.net.

Mack01
06-25-2002, 09:11 PM
Yup I got sick of being pulled down and backstabbed, I now only play Duel with NF and find it so much more enjoyable. You still get loads of backstabbers (many are not noobs, almost all are clanned). I spent the best part of 1 week getting my arse kicked but eventually I started getting better and better.

I am now proficient in about 5 moves so I have quite a deadly arsenal at my disposal, as for all the backstabbers, well they no longer pose a threat to me, they only have 1 move and I can avoid it 80% of the time. They can't aviod my 5 moves more than 20% of the time, so now I find I am kicking the arses of the very people that owned me.

One guy in particular (no names mentioned) is very good at backstab abd I spent about 30mins tracking him down after I felt good enough to beat him. Sure enough when I found him he was top on the server and as I waited my turn I saw his tactics were exactly the same.

I took a big chance and had a key bound to:
" I am going to rip your head off and **** down your neck" I hit the key and watched him come in for his usual backstab, but as he executed the move I backed off 1 step & did the middle stance jump finish and did take his head off :)

Retribution was very gratifying, especially as the fight was over in about 30 secs. Backstabbers beware, practice makes perfect.

ryudom
06-25-2002, 09:29 PM
the U104 mod is great. although i don't mind 1.03 either

*Darth Vega*
06-25-2002, 10:46 PM
U104 is for all the pansies who can't figure out that throwing their saber will put a stop to an assfighter.

Oh yeah...

HAHAHAHA! I FOUND THIS ONE GUY AND HE BACKSTABBEDED MES SO I SAYS YUO BITCH IMA HUNT YUO DOWN AND KILL YOU AND HE SAYS NO YOU WONT!!! SO I TRACED HIS IP TO HIS ISP AND THEY GAVE ME HIS ADDRESS AND I WENT OVAR AND KNOCKED ON HIS DOOR AND HE SAYS HI WHO ARE YOU AND I SAYS YOU ASSFIGHTING **** AND I SHOT HIM IN THE FACE WIFF MY BOOOMMMMSTICK! HAHAHAHAHAHA I MURDERED THAT ASSFIGHTAR!!!roflroflroflroflroflroflroflroflroflr oflroflroflroflroflroflroflroflrfol

NK_Zephorath
06-25-2002, 10:56 PM
JK2++ is better than u104, and you don't need to download anything.

00M-187
06-25-2002, 10:59 PM
I agree, ever since the "patch" the game has been over runned by noobs who just hack at you with light and do backstab\slash. Sometimes I hate this game. Its very frusterating. But I guess thats why they made the "patch" so noobs have a chance and dont lose interest in the game. Either way 1.03 = ghey.

*Darth Vega*
06-25-2002, 11:03 PM
If you hate the game why do you still play it?:confused:

QuietSith
06-25-2002, 11:05 PM
Originally posted by *Darth Vega*
If you hate the game why do you still play it?:confused:

They want it fixed?

*Darth Vega*
06-25-2002, 11:08 PM
How can you fix what is not broken?

QuietSith
06-25-2002, 11:10 PM
Originally posted by *Darth Vega*
How can you fix what is not broken?

Uh .. it's called assfighting.

Maybe you should try reading the past few weeks of threads before you start posting comments.

Old_Ben
06-25-2002, 11:11 PM
I think this guy ^ is one of those pull back stabber who fears there only move will be lost if there's another patch.

*Darth Vega*
06-25-2002, 11:14 PM
I like fighting these assfighters cause they're easy to kill. Just chuck your saber at em a few times and they will stop very fast. If this is too complicated for you then I'm sorry you suck...

Locke101
06-25-2002, 11:16 PM
I agree with you gusy 100|% when it comes to noob backstabers. However i have learned to get around these noobs, if you are such great players, you guys would do the same instead of wasting your time on these forusm complaining about how noobs hurt you. Yeah i hate it too but there are ways around it, called lets see do acrobactic moves the noob doesn't know. And if that doesn't work and you keep dieing, then your the noob because you don't know how to get around something. Peopel have complained about the patch taking away the learning curve of the saber. Yet when a challenge arises people complain. Yes you have a right to voice your opinion but do it in at least a more dignified manner. Yelling and cursing doesn't get the results that one woiuld hope for, especially if you were to complain like that to Raven. They would just delete the e-mail becuase it would be a waste of their time.

"One should never give up till the end" -Trowa Barton, Gundam Wing

:duel:

*Darth Vega*
06-25-2002, 11:19 PM
Locke101 described how I feel in a more civil way than what I produced in my posts:D

JAtM Trev
06-26-2002, 04:34 AM
I only bs the bsers. This guy came into a server; he asks, "Is it true the most powerful move in this game is done backwards?"

I say yes, and he begins to assfight. A few well timed swings and he's dead.

The next bser, I just out bsed him.

BSers are easy to avoid, more fun to kill.

If you have some force, use kick and throw.

In NF, use well timed strikes or bs them back.

Pedantic
06-26-2002, 05:39 AM
Originally posted by Locke101
Yelling and cursing doesn't get the results that one woiuld hope for, especially if you were to complain like that to Raven. They would just delete the e-mail becuase it would be a waste of their time.

It would, in fact, probably be detrimental to the effort to fix the game.

DeTRiTiC-iQ
06-26-2002, 06:50 AM
Being killed by a backstab doesn't happen to often for me, but when it does, its either because I was in a bad situation or because the other guy is skilled.

Guess what, I don't give a damn.

There are other things in this game that frustrate me more than getting killed by this move. The main one being, that I can single-handedly turn most CTF games around, on the condition that its not the Nar Shadaa map. Its incredibly frustrating being able to win on all but one map.

Personally I don't like 1.04, it turns light stance back into a mockery. I don't like the lack of control after using backstab or backswing. If they had just made it easier to block so that its not as effective that would have been great. But they made the move frustrating to use.

megafu
06-26-2002, 03:43 PM
backstabing is part of the game. stop whining.
Arsefighters are pathetic, but they never win in deathmatch, and have NO chance in a duel.

when an arsefighter walks towards( backwards)... kick him.. simple.. then backstab him back.

if he knows what he's doing, pull.. then kick... and so on.

or.. lightsaber throw... then pull... ALWAYS works cause you can't block when you both have absorb on and you pull.

instead of whining.. learn different tactics.. and have fun.

Pedantic
06-26-2002, 04:07 PM
Originally posted by megafu
.. and have fun.

That would be a key point... :D

Koenig
06-26-2002, 06:35 PM
If you stick with it, and learn how Backstabbers and DFAers work( and Fan Boys but I'm still trying to counter them 100% of the time) you can counter act them.

e.g

2 Guys both german, spent more time chatting than fighting, sliced em both up in a 1v1 duel. 1 Starts running round backwards slashing forward( a clear sign to watch for backstabbing), counter, get ready to get out of the way, and throw your sabre at them.
Then the other starts using strong style, he crouches ( clear DFA incoming) as he leaps I leap to the side( or leap wayback) I throw my sabre, damaging him muchos.

It also works for Fan Boys, though to a less effect.

I only use the throw to avoid those attacks, when they play properly, I use standard attacks.

Mercen4ry
06-26-2002, 06:54 PM
http://www.sneakybuffalo.com/phpBB2/images/smiles/flamethrowingsmiley.gif

I'm sorry, but that just seemed proper for this thread. :)

Now then, let me regurgitate one of my responses from a previous thread:

Ok now, I promised myself I would quit bitching about BS and whatnot in public, but this thread has gone on for too long and I will do my best to address it without the above.

First off, I dispatch BSers on my favorite server as a matter of course, typically by showing them exactly how cheap their move is or serving them a little Disruptor bolt (gun server) while they're preying on an innocent player, typically killing (s)he and/or their victim in one fell swoop before the backstabber could get another free kill.

However, you seem to be missing the point here megafu. Certainly, folks can just shut their pie holes and go on playing like usual. Sure, we could all just try and cope with backstabbers as a matter of course, and in some cases, become them. What these people are trying to say is: We shouldn't have to. :tsk:

That said, let me work with a few non-Quake 3 (seen too many of these) analogies. For instance, let's look at one of the most popular MMORPGs out there - DAoC. Every so often, an exploit or problem creeps up on the game, while the Dev team intends a patch to be helpful the plan backfires, or people will exploit a bug like no tomorrow. Like the screenshot - keep door bug. Like old nuker damage problems. And what do the DAoC folks do about it? No, they don't force players to just, "Deal with it. Thank you for playing DAoC, have a nice day." They patch it, and rely on player feedback to tell them if their work was a success.

Or look at Counter-Strike. Folks have gotten away with aim-bots, invisible skins, and the whole nine-yards for as long as the game was (and still is) popular. But do folks just stuff it and continue playing like the game is going out of style should said player come on? No, they leave.

Now then, I'm not implying that JK2, being a game with free multiplayer online times, should be as readily patched as DAoC (at $15 or so a month) or that everyone should just leave. I'm saying look at the gaming precedent up to JK2. Players do not, should not, and will not just put up with an exploit or "legit move" that should not be as powerful as it is, which is why so many whine about it (including myself, on many occasions ), and it's our right to do so, even if it doesn't get the job done.

But enough preaching. Just whining about it to the seemingly-deaf ears of Raven will not cut it these days; if Raven were planning to release 1.04, they would have done it a long time ago, probably due to the release of the SDK (I still hope they will, though ). There is to my knowledge, however, a setting and a mod that seem to remove many of the exploits of 1.03, and even return some of the fun back to sabering - GSD (Ghoul 2 enabled, sabertracesaberfirst 0, and cg_dismember 300) coupled with the 1.03++ mod. Need proof? Try this server:

Rage and Honor (GSD)
Simply Type "/connect 65.113.116.20:28072" in the console, or find the server using the all-seeing eye.
Also view this thread for important server information pertaining to settings and custom maps:
http://64.246.44.70/~lucasforums.co...72&pagenumber=1

That said, it is my hope that folks will try out this solution, and even if they end up not liking it, they at least know that they tried; it's better than just sitting on your hands and bitching all over this board (venting is fine, IMO, but it won't get the job done ). Hopefully in the future we will see less of these: :swear: :ball: and instead see more of these: :lsduel: :D

Merc out. :fett:

iTeM
06-26-2002, 08:46 PM
I don't have a problem with backstabbers/sweepers, it's the goddamn Flechette cannon users that piss me off! you can't push the balls back for long, 'cause it's firing much faster than you can push. OMG... I REALLY hate that weapon.