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aDOLF fIDDLER
06-25-2002, 08:50 AM
Ive been plaiying for a long while now........since february, and what strikes me as the biggest problem in this game is absorb.
Its simply too powerful after they released the 1.1 patch.
On top of that its a force for defensive whimps and completely turns the game into the Quake game it should never become as force powers no longer apply...
Pull together with absorb is making people with no real skill other than pull and backstab become the master jedis which is a petty cause it could be so much more.

This could seem like a losers attitude but i do not really lose that often......im just not as entertained as i used to be....they toned down grip....which was too powerful at first....they should do the same with absorb......or everybody will use it and the whole thing will be a boring straight forward fps.

My point is....let the good players be the ones that masters great variety in their gaming not absorb noobs who were taught the pull spin move.
:( ulrik

Hirogen
06-25-2002, 08:51 AM
Originally posted by aDOLF fIDDLER
Ive been plaiying for a long while now........since february, and what strikes me as the biggest problem in this game is absorb.
Its simply too powerful
Yup.

Lime-Light
06-25-2002, 08:54 AM
Yeah, but it sucked before. A darksider had the advantage with drain. Now that nerfed drain, theres no point in force at all. NF duel is where its at.

XERXES
06-25-2002, 08:55 AM
isnt it weak with that new patch? I never play with force, but i believe they did tone it down a lot.

Pedantic
06-25-2002, 08:59 AM
Drain, yeah...absorb, no.

aDOLF fIDDLER
06-25-2002, 09:07 AM
But wouldnt it just be so much more fun with equal force powers not nf servers......i shouldnt be that u had to play no force duel when its a force game....

Lime-Light
06-25-2002, 09:12 AM
Servers with jump/push/throw only can be fun too, but nf is the most balanced.

-=Apocalyptic=-
06-25-2002, 09:18 AM
Yeah the force powers are pretty unbalanced. I like to play dark side, offensive powers are more fun than defensive, but absorb makes them pretty much useless.

ZugZug
06-25-2002, 09:25 AM
thats the point of absorb... to stop the darkside attacks. Listen for the buzz of absorb and when its off hit him with your lightning or whatever you use. I admit it should take up a lot more force to activate. I see lightning as more cheap... virtually unavoidable damage in a wide arc, if u run from it they chase u with it. I mean its cool and all but its just too damn easy to smack people with it...

IMNORFIN
06-25-2002, 09:27 AM
You can't say that drain is practically useless because it isn't. It's either that or go light and use absorb yourself and stop complaining, but then again the ones that complain about a power but never use it themselves because it would be "cheap" are just the ones that suck at using that power.

MasterD-LeyAmas
06-25-2002, 09:52 AM
If you say that drain is useless, then apparently you don't know how to use it. Pay attention to someone's force useage, and hit them after they haven't used a power for a little while. When used correctly, you can heal yourself far better than the lightsider's heal ever could hope to do.

And, if you take away absorb, what is a light jedi going to do, spend all of their time devising elaborate ways to run away when someone starts shooting lightning at them? Absorb is simply the most effective light side power, and because it is the one that truly works, all of you lightning/grip spammers want to complain about it. Just keep in mind that absorb doesn't actually hurt you, it just stops you from hurting them. Learn how to use your saber.

I do think that two things should be done to absorb, however:

1)You should be able to be pushed/pulled just as normal with it on.
2)To even the healing abilities while dueling, drain should still be able to work *a little* with absorb on. Maybe just at 1/4 normal power, so that it would be about as useful as force heal.

Just my thoughts on it.

:ben::saberb:

-=Apocalyptic=-
06-25-2002, 10:03 AM
I'm not just complaining about the powers I don't know how to use. I have to use absorb sometimes like on ns streets otherwise I would never kill anything. I was just saying i think it should be nerfed just a little, like the 1/4 drain thing you mentioned.

HellFyre69
06-25-2002, 10:27 AM
man, all u siths are complaning about absorb... How about Lighting, grip, drain, yall have all these kick ass force, that cant be stop, only by absorb.. The light side has only 1 force that can be protected by these atks. But still ur lightsaber can still hurt them, so learn how to u use ur saber! Plus absorb doesnt stay for forever, so stop complaning. Yo siths kind a still have the advantage, if yall spam with lighting and drain.

-=Apocalyptic=-
06-25-2002, 10:35 AM
I'm not really complaining, I use it too. But I like the idea of absorb using a little more force to activate or still being affected by push or drain or something. I know how to use my saber.

Emon
06-25-2002, 10:55 AM
You need to consider other people's views. If you're playing light, without that absorb, you are just plain ****ed. It makes dark grossly more powerful, and the Force sides should be BALANCED.

By the way, it's 1.03, not 1.1 you fool.

Chewie Bakker
06-25-2002, 11:43 AM
Tyranus: Hey Darth Sidius, just got back from a fight with Yoda. Man is he an Absorb \/\/h0«3! I spammed lightning at him almost all day and he used his cheap Absorb to defend himself! I had to <shudder> fight with my lightsaber.
Sidius: |\|00b. Yoda makes a sound when he's Absorbing.


I hope if Raven bring out another patch they tweak Absorb so that Force Pull/Push will counter a Push/Pull from someone who's Absorbing, and that's all they do to it. That will seperate the concerned players from the n00bs.

Seriously, it's not the Force power, it's the players. I have never, repeat Never, pull+Backstabbed let-alone done it with Absorb on. Any halfwit would know that spamming the same move over and over again isn't skill, and the game's not worth playing if you only use one out of the many moves available (and one of the cheapest moves at that)

Emon
06-25-2002, 01:16 PM
Again, if you played U104 instead of this BS 1.03, everything would be golden...

Vitigis
06-25-2002, 05:10 PM
Nothing cracks me up as much as these types of threads....

Derisor
06-25-2002, 06:43 PM
Too bad they didnt just implement a way to shield ones self from lighting. That would be the appropriate response.

Question is, why cant you just force push someone with lighting ? With quick reflexes, the lighting guy could rack up some serious frequent flyer mileage.

Swingin'Baws
06-25-2002, 08:33 PM
As long as pull+backstab is the most effective way of killing, people will use it, and they shouldnt be frowned upon for using it either - especially in FFA maps.

Why would ANYBODY want to spend ages hacking away tiny bits of health, when at any time they themselves may fall victim to either the pull+backstab, or a face full of flachette.

And nothing grates me more than people who think that just because you use pull+backstab, you are unskilled. *sighs* I know lots of very skilled people that use the backstab move. They only chose to use this method because they are playing in a FFA server where points count! (And who doesnt want to prove themselves by finishing top).

And these folk that keep their finger on attack while in light stance are skilled? No, just easy meat for folk that whine about backstabbers.

Its been said hundreds of times, if you are skilled, you will >> AVOID << being backstabbed in most cases - its got nothing to do with the backstabber being unskilled.


I rest my case.

D.L.
06-25-2002, 08:43 PM
Ah. Uninformed drivel.

Gotta love it. Makes you feel all warm inside :)

ž°nÝš
06-26-2002, 12:46 AM
Absorb? A wuss Power?

These are the words of a @&%$ing lightning whore. I can just see aDOLF in a force duel.

*Shoots lightning*
*absorb Goes on*
aDOLF: OMG you cheater you're supposed to let me electricute you you n00b!!!
*aDOLF gets whacked by the saber*
*Starts to drain*
*absorb goes on*
aDOLF: OMG i can't believe you're h4xing so bad. I need health because this games about killing people with force not lightsabers!!!!

Vagabond
06-26-2002, 12:47 AM
Oh, give me a break. Absorb is such a dumb, wuss power. Dark is far more powerful than Light, even with Absorb. Why? Because Absorb makes a screechingly loud sound - so when I know it's on, I just hold off and dodge until it goes off. If the Absorber tries to close the distance on me so they can pull me off my feet, I just continue to back off, evade, and use saber throw until they turn off Absorb, or they just run out of power.

You see - everything has a counter-tactic, and the tactic that I've shared here works beautifully against Absorb toadies. It works so well that they Absorbers begin to complain that I keep running away when they have Absorb on, and that I only attack when they don't have it on. And this is true. Of course, whenever I zap them with Lightning, they don't exactly stand still either - all's fair in love and war.

Bottom line: Absorb is dumb :cool:

ž°nÝš
06-26-2002, 12:51 AM
Originally posted by Vagabond
so when I know it's on, I just hold off and dodge until it goes off. If the Absorber tries to close the distance on me so they can pull me off my feet, I just continue to back off, evade, and use saber throw until they turn off Absorb, or they just run out of power.

You forgot to add the part about everyone laughing their asses off at you because you're running away from a guy with a flashlight and a blue glow around him.

NK_Zephorath
06-26-2002, 12:53 AM
JK2++ will balance the force powers.
It is in beta 2 and is MUCH better than 1.02, 1.03, 1.03a and U104. Beta 3 is going to be realeased any second now, and you don't need to download anything because it is server side.
Some additions include:
-Increased saber damage
-Harder to pull people over

That is just a taste, there are tons of tweaks in this mod.

Go to http://dev.wdonline.com to find out about it or http://forums.wdonline.com to tell us what you think.

SaiyanJedi
06-26-2002, 01:11 AM
Let me tell this when a darksider is using lightning and the other guy dont

Then its called lame.....

Absorb is just a good force just

and if you are a good fightier you can beat the damn fighter without force.... :mad:

ž°nÝš
06-26-2002, 01:44 AM
Let me tell this when a darksider is using lightning and the other guy dont

I an always tell a lightning spammer.

Vagabond
06-26-2002, 01:55 AM
If one guy is using Chain Lightning, and the other isn't, that other guy better be doing something to either (1) keep himself alive, or (2) make the other guy dead.

How one pursues either of those paths, I don't really care, short of actual cheating. But to complain about someone using a legitimate tactic is just poor sportsmanship, and really quite ridiculous.

Whether I'm a Dark or Lightsider, if someone Chains me, I know how to respond. If you don't, then that's something you should focus on, rather than complaining about people who beat you fair and square.

SaiyanJedi
06-26-2002, 02:17 AM
like he said :p

Locke101
06-26-2002, 03:02 AM
its funny, i sense that this guy who stared this thread never played the first Jedi Knight. In Jedi Knight, there weas absorb and it did the exact same thing. now when JK2 first came out you saw absorb so you knew the person ahd it on and could hear it. In 1.03 they made it so its invisible but you can still hear it. So waht i have to say is, PLEASE PEOPLE, stop trying to make it where you can kill with so much ease. Personaly i love having a challenge and stuff. Absorb helps stop all those Lighting spammers and griping people who like to throw people off ledges. Personally, i love being a light jedi in MP. It just helps when i face someone who just loves to lighting people to death. WELL THIS IS JUST MY OPINION.

:duel:

intoxictd
06-26-2002, 03:23 AM
No comment.:cool:

icefox98
06-26-2002, 03:59 AM
dudez u got it all rong....the cheapest force power of them all is friggin saber defense i mean COME ON i shoot at them with my stormtrooper rifle, and these friggin newbs stand still and I die. WTF! saber defense is such a wuss power omg it sux, forget absorb, i mean yah it 2 is bad i mean i drain all my force lightning on that lil n00b bitch and he just absorbs it, so i go at him with my uber blue stance and guess what yup u guess it HE BLOCKS MY SABER THEN 2! i was just like....OMG STFU UR GAY NEWB OMG BS and the d00d laffed at me and was like har har har i used saber defense and u didnt and i was like d00d saber defense is so friggin cheap only n00bs use it, and then he cut me down using his gay red style

u all feel teh same way i do?

GrEEk_OuTcAsT
06-26-2002, 03:59 AM
Lightning NEVER EVER was a problem for me even if I never use absorb. When being at Dark Side the best counter to lightning is Drain. He damages you and you heal so he just loses more Energy than you. In light side it is push, throw, healing and even weapons if they are allowed. When someone is doing lightning you have no defense and can't defend projectiles or saber. So push him rape him, cut him in 2 with your saber and while he is getting away to get his energy up heal yourself.

By the time there are healing forces (which suck in my opinion and these destroy the game) lightning will never be annoying. Because the reason we don't see a lot of LightSaber combat in Force ON duel server is because of the Drain/Healing. Damages bellow 50 are useless because they are replenished easily. So everyone focuses in one hit kills (Backstabs, DFAs, Air Flips) because it is the only way to end the game.

Luc Solar
06-26-2002, 01:08 PM
Originally posted by icefox98
dudez u got it all rong....the cheapest force power of them all is friggin saber defense i mean COME ON i shoot at them with my stormtrooper............is so friggin cheap only n00bs use it, and then he cut me down using his gay red style
u all feel teh same way i do?

LMAO!! Ur teh man! icefox! :D

Redwyng
06-26-2002, 04:19 PM
Only 1 thing, Locke101... in the original Jedi Knight, dark side had VERY strong counters to absorb in grip and throw. Now they have mediocre counters in drain and dark rage.

JCronic
06-26-2002, 08:34 PM
I hav'nt read through this whole thread but has'nt anybody noticed that alot of people are using some sort of Auto-Absorb script of some sort? It really pisses me off when people use this. Its the same thing as an auto-aim script, you let the computer do the work for you. People that use absorb doesnt really bother me. Its when people use the auto-absorb script that ticks me. Its like almost everytime I try to grip/push/pull someone(dark side person myself), it doesnt do anything to them because the absorb turns on the milisecond I try to use force on them. It really pisses me off. I consider that a cheat really.

Chewie Bakker
06-26-2002, 09:11 PM
Too right icefox98.

:trooper: Hey! You there! (Sorry, I just had to do it!)

Elijah
06-26-2002, 09:37 PM
well i use absorb and i'm proud of it.

It PISSES off all of you Push/Pull hoes on Bespin and NS Streets, oh... So sad you can't push the guy off? that means you have to use your *gasp* LIGHTSABER!

All you grip droppers cant do jack to us.... no more hoeing that i guess :p

And the lightning guys... you shooot it and chase them... If your that cheap and gay then it servs you right to not be able to kill them.

And last but not least
Pull/Backstab
You cant pull me down and have your hoe ways with me *na na na*

ShockV1.89
06-26-2002, 10:27 PM
All you grip droppers cant do jack to us.... no more hoeing that i guess

Thats exactly why I started using absorb. I got so annoyed at people who would do nothing but run around and grip people off ledges. I got a kick out of letting them run up to me, grip me, I turn on absorb, and they keep pivoting towards the pit. Then, when their back is turned, I boot them off with a kick. Wheeeee!!!

ShockV1.89

DarthNoodles
06-27-2002, 02:10 AM
Originally posted by JCronic
I hav'nt read through this whole thread but has'nt anybody noticed that alot of people are using some sort of Auto-Absorb script of some sort? It really pisses me off when people use this. Its the same thing as an auto-aim script, you let the computer do the work for you. People that use absorb doesnt really bother me. Its when people use the auto-absorb script that ticks me. Its like almost everytime I try to grip/push/pull someone(dark side person myself), it doesnt do anything to them because the absorb turns on the milisecond I try to use force on them. It really pisses me off. I consider that a cheat really.

AUTO-ABSORB?!?!?!?
You loser!!!

Obviously you don't the updates that the patch made. These people aren't turning absord on "the millisecond" you use a power. It's already on, youy just don't see the blue glow anymore unless it's actually absorbing. The whole time though it does make noise and does take up force power.

BTW, I'm a lightsider and rely on absorb because you darksiders tend to spam the lightning. It's a perfectly fair power to use, in fact darksiders still have an advantage of sorts because they can wait us out and lightning us then as somebody already mentioned.

technobot
06-27-2002, 03:02 AM
Why do I have the feeling that many of the people bitching about absorb were the same people who ran around draining everyone in 1.02? Oh but then again, that was OK since they liked dark side, and drain was the uber power.

Here's hoping there's another patch to balance everything a little further, but until then, deal with it, it's just a game lamers.

IronJedi Kaga
06-27-2002, 03:30 AM
It continually amuses me when I see some of the responses that people who play the lightside come up with when people complain about absorb. The power causes a huge imbalance which favors the lightside of the force. Yes I exclusively pay the darkside. However I really dont care that abosrb stops the darkside offensive powers, as that is the primary purpose.

The main problem is that absorb gives the lightside the offensive force power advantage. The lightside player can push and pull, saber throw and kick a darkside player at will while the darkside player can only rely on saber throw (which will most likely not hit if the opponent is using a saber), and kicks (good luck getting closing enough if the lightside opponent has a good weapon).

As I said before I dont have a problem with absorb coutering the darkside powers, but the fact that it also counters neutral powers give the lightside the offensive force advantage over the darkside. Considering that the whole point of playing the darkside is to have the offensive force advantage it is clear what problems abosrb causes.

All these claims that abosrb makes saber battles about the sabers themselves are made by lightside players in denial. While I'm sure there are some players who may not use pull or push while abosrb is on, the majority do. In the end its still about force powers and not the saber so saying that absorb makes a duel about sabers is an invalid argument.

Things only get worse when you involve guns. Can't pull a gun away from a lightside player, but the darkside players are cannon fodder for pulling and pushing. FFA its not too bad, but in any game mode that invovles teamplay, good luck trying to hold onto a weapon if your not using, or dont have absorb.

Due to the above, there are several ways to restore some balance. Abosrb could be altered so that push and pull will still affect a player. This makes the sides even when absorb is on. No side has an offensive force advantage. The other thing that would make absorb balanced would be to give absorb the reverse ysmalri effect, ie, when abosrb is on a player could use no other force powers. This would give the darkside player an offensive force advantage, but not much of one because the only powers that could be directly against a player with absorb would be saber throw (once agian can be blocked or dodged), and kicking (which can be dodged). Both of the aforementioned solutions are much more balanced than what is currently in place. Making drain stronger only caters to the drain whores who used drain not to heal as was intended, but for the sole purpose of reducing an opponents force.

Chewie Bakker
06-27-2002, 11:17 AM
ShockV1.89: Yeah. Getting thrown off ledges sucks. It's good to have defense against that. :D

I'm just getting amused by this whole Absorb rant. It sounds as if they think it lasts forever. Sometimes, it does. Sometimes, Darksiders fight without strategy and just spam lightning. They will die. The reason:

RTFM - Using the Force against someone who's Absorbing will replenish their Force Pool!

Absorb can last roughly 10-20 seconds without being fed. What astounds me, is that there are people out there who'll rant and whine and demand that a Lightsider should not be able to do anything while Absorbing, when paying attention and strategy (a real obvious strategy at that) will suffice.

"Skill? Honour? Courage? Who needs these when you can have everything nerfed?"

Some people just don't understand that Absorb's there to turn the tides against Dark Powers. I guess some hunters don't like becoming the hunted.

:gben: Trust your feelings.