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Derisor
06-27-2002, 09:41 PM
Greetings.

I used to play allot with a program called Moray for use with a ray tracing program. I was able to creat models and so on using this program. That wont work with JK2Radient.

On the other hand, I dont have three grand to blow on 3d studio or lightwave. Are there modelling programs in the $200 range that are good? If not, what do you all use?

TIA

BobaFett7
06-27-2002, 10:56 PM
I politely retract my suggestion to pirate software.

Derisor
06-27-2002, 11:00 PM
On the other hand, the only software company I will consent to ripping off is microsoft because they have no ethics whatsoever. In my opion using žDS without owning it is no better than shoplifting.

VIO
06-27-2002, 11:11 PM
...yes...but wheather pipped games a moral or not is a diff story,
if you want a legal modeling software for about 20 bucks get milkshape 3d it has a 30day trial, it like 3dmax but without all the bells and stuff


BTW, Derisor don't be stupid ripping a game from a company you dislike and ones you don't is no different your still ripping games and cheating ppl out of there money...not to say im going to pay thoudasnds of dollors on software for a game i only spent 40 on

Derisor
06-27-2002, 11:56 PM
Oh, I see. You dont get it. Let me try again.

YOu see, there are poeple at Ravensoft that work for a living. They have families and bills to pay and so on. These people work for the company to build a game. They put their heart into it and they DESERVE to get paid for it.

Now, I seriously doubt that you do whatever it is that you do for free. Why is it that you cannot grant another guy the courtesy of the rewards for his efforts. I would call this selfish.

The company that makes 3d studio puts a hell of allot of work into the product and you are STEALING from them. Yes, you are just like the guy that robs the bank or breaks in and loots the shops. A scumball.

So what about this microsoft thing? I see it sort of as stealing from the mafia. They are the computer mafia in my opinion. So I dont personally do it but I cant bring myself to condemn someone that does.

Clear now?

Destroyder121
06-28-2002, 12:25 AM
welcome to the club...microsoft sucks..i hated their games..no action or enything..but i recommend ravens & lucasarts & blizzards & westwoods games.& *Hint Hint*KaZaA Or eDonkey2000 or Direct Connect *Hint Hint*:D

BobaFett7
06-28-2002, 02:07 AM
It appears that my rationalization for using $3000 software without paying for it was unconvincing.
I relent, my argument cannot stand up to scrutiny.

snakeeyesa27
06-28-2002, 02:36 AM
Rationalize it however you want, it's theft, period. (i'm not perfect, i had photoshop for a while), for the noob, try gmax. It's free (legally) and has enough to keep you learning for a while.

Lord -=[FBF]=-
06-28-2002, 02:44 AM
BobaFett7: while u may be able 2 justify it 2 urself, its still stealing. if u must try and persuade people to steal, do it on the general forums instead of wasting space here. likewise, Derisor, dont try and persuade him not to steal, it aint gonna work and it wastes space. if u 2 wanna argue, do it by email. everyone is entitled 2 their own morals. if u think stealing expensive software is OK, then do it. if u dont, dont. dont try imposing ur morals on others, especially not during other peoples time. this is a MODELLING forum, remember?

Derisor
06-28-2002, 02:46 AM
Get Moray and write a converter to the model format used in jkII and then it owuld be great.

But as for the 25k a year guy. That is theft. No different then lifting a TV from a local store.

I just heard about GMAX, where can I download it ?

VIO
06-28-2002, 02:46 AM
Oh, I see. You dont get it. Let me try again.

YOu see, there are poeple at Ravensoft that work for a living. They have families and bills to pay and so on. These people work for the company to build a game. They put their heart into it and they DESERVE to get paid for it.

Now, I seriously doubt that you do whatever it is that you do for free. Why is it that you cannot grant another guy the courtesy of the rewards for his efforts. I would call this selfish.

The company that makes 3d studio puts a hell of allot of work into the product and you are STEALING from them. Yes, you are just like the guy that robs the bank or breaks in and loots the shops. A scumball.

So what about this microsoft thing? I see it sort of as stealing from the mafia. They are the computer mafia in my opinion. So I dont personally do it but I cant bring myself to condemn someone that does.

Clear now?


ok no one said i don't believe ppl should get paid, i said i already supported raven by buying there game i also support them by keep the game alive, IE:modeling mapping, i help add replayablity to there games, also i don't have any pirated software, but i can see why ppl do it, sure its wrong but no matter wat i tell ppl they won't listen, NEXT, im sry to tell you but as much as yo hate microsoft (and i do to) there are ppl that make games that have families and such and have no say in the corruption, ppl who work ther and are not a part of the scemming, don't they deserve to be paid

Lord -=[FBF]=-
06-28-2002, 02:46 AM
oh yeh, Derisor, gmax is probs ur best bet for jkii modelling on a budget, cos its more powerful than milkshape, and its free too!

[edit: u can get gmax from www.discreet.com/products/gmax]

VIO
06-28-2002, 02:49 AM
gmax can't make export to a flie that jkii can use only for Q3 you need gmax and either 3dmax or milkshape

Ansible
06-28-2002, 02:51 AM
I withdraw my question.

VIO
06-28-2002, 02:55 AM
Ansible don't ask again and leave before the flames start and your banned

BobaFett7
06-28-2002, 03:01 AM
I'm sorry I even brought the subject up.
I wrong to think that my stupid suggestion would be considered useful to a potential modeler looking for a program to use.
My apologies to all of you, the subject of software legitimacy shouldn't even be something to bother posting about in this forum.

VIO
06-28-2002, 04:46 AM
hmm i agree, back on topic
her are your choices
softimage....can do animations but cost like 10,000
3d max...like gamx but with alot of bells and whisles 3,000
milkshape...good bout 30 $
gmax...free

NOTE!
gmax doesn't have a md3 exporter that makes md3s that work in jkii, right now you need milkshape or 3dmax

snakeeyesa27
06-28-2002, 07:51 AM
That is just plain misinformed, ask LordFBF, he's said it a thousand times, there is a program called tempest that does it, but it's a big download, and it's easier to just get the plugins for gmax. It is VERY possible to export to (and import from) .md3 with gmax.

People, do research before you post definitive answers, or previously asked questions.

VIO
06-28-2002, 09:50 PM
yes you can import and export md3s in bmax but they won't work in jkii onliy in q3

Major Clod
06-29-2002, 12:44 AM
If you are a student you can purchase 3ds Max legally quite cheaply. The only difference between the educational version and the commercial version is that you cannot profit from anything made with the program.

I purchased the student version of Max for about $200AU. Quite good considering the commercial version was a few thousand.

CheshireKat
06-29-2002, 01:33 AM
Yes, students get a good deal. Look for a Graphix bundle, and you can get $6000 worth of stuff for around $1500. That's what I did.

Also look for Gmax as stated above and for a Photoshop replacement, look for Gimp.

aL BeasTie
06-29-2002, 11:55 PM
sorry if you settled this matter already but, to get those plug-ins there's a link here www.jk2models.cjb.net