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Kyth'emos
06-29-2002, 01:33 PM
So What do you think of the trailer ? (Go here (www.startrek.com) to see it)

Tyrion
06-29-2002, 01:37 PM
I would watch it,definatly.But,I'm not too excited about because I wasnt born in the Trekkie genereation.More like computers/anime generation.

Lime-Light
06-29-2002, 01:42 PM
...ok so since when was picard an action hero. lol.

Way to make it more appealing to younger generations: subtract intellegence + specials effects + stunts + slowmotion.

Roddenbery is rolling in his grave.

Tyrion
06-29-2002, 01:45 PM
Originally posted by Lime-Light


Way to make it more appealing to younger generations: subtract intellegence + specials effects + stunts + slowmotion.



Wow.....are you a disney director or something?

Lime-Light
06-29-2002, 01:49 PM
ok.......what?

Yoda_623
06-29-2002, 01:54 PM
It is a fact that Star Trek does SUCK!

Lime-Light
06-29-2002, 01:57 PM
Yes, bu it did used to be interesting before Gene died.

deliboy007
06-29-2002, 03:27 PM
this movie looks like it will rule. i've seen all the other ones and star trek movies like to alternate themes. first contact for example was pretty hard core for star trek showing cut off limbs, missing eye balls and the like, but then insurrection was pretty light and not so serious. now we have nemesis which looks even more hardcore than first contact. it showed that corridor attack ship which looked pretty freakin tight!! so yes, my vote stands with some kicking of posterior end.

Kurgan
06-29-2002, 03:45 PM
But,I'm not too excited about because I wasnt born in the Trekkie genereation

So I take it you're at least over 30?

Tyrion
06-29-2002, 03:48 PM
Originally posted by Kurgan


So I take it you're at least over 30?

11.I only remember seeing Star Trek movies and shows last when I was 5 I think.

Kurgan
06-29-2002, 03:57 PM
Star Trek first aired 1966-1969 (now known as the "original series" with William Shatner as Captain Kirk, Leonard Nimoy as Mr. Spock and DeForest Kelly as Dr. McCoy). When the show was cancelled after its third season, there was a huge fan backlash. So we can say with confidence that this generation of fans existed at least as early as 1969.

The first Trek movie came out in 1979, and since that time there have been almost a steady stream of movies and new tv series (the second series, not including the cartoon of course, was The Next Generation in 1987). Anyhow, check imdb.com for full details. Trek is pretty old, by pop culture standards, and its been a staple of reruns and video stores ever since its inception.

BlackDove
06-29-2002, 04:26 PM
The trailer really shows nothing new. I can watch one of the oldies, and get the same feeling...Just another attempt to make money with a cheesy story...but I maybe go see it...

Vestril
06-29-2002, 04:33 PM
It will be very cool. Lime-Light...well to be honest I'm a post-Roddenberry fan only, for example, I didn't really like TNG until after he...well wasn't involved anymore. I guess I like the Sci-Fi elements rather than the weird...fantasy like elements that he seemed to bring along. On the other hand I'm a huge fan of his vision of the future, and I think that TNG was the only other series to effectively communicate that.

Anyway, I think the new movie will only add to that :)

MasterD-LeyAmas
06-29-2002, 04:52 PM
Well, the movie does look like it's going to be cool. What was the last ST movie released? I don't think I saw it. I remember First Contact, where they go back in time to the point of first contact with the Vulcans, and defeat the Borg (again). But was there another one released after that? My interest in Star Trek had already been dwindling by the time First Contact came out. But, if I'm going to go see this one, I might need to catch up on what's been going on in the meantime...

Vestril
06-29-2002, 05:44 PM
Originally posted by MasterD-LeyAmas
Well, the movie does look like it's going to be cool. What was the last ST movie released? I don't think I saw it. I remember First Contact, where they go back in time to the point of first contact with the Vulcans, and defeat the Borg (again). But was there another one released after that? My interest in Star Trek had already been dwindling by the time First Contact came out. But, if I'm going to go see this one, I might need to catch up on what's been going on in the meantime...

Insurrection was after First Contact--it was pretty good, too.

Kyth'emos
06-30-2002, 12:25 AM
I tend to watch Star Trek mostly for the cool techology than great story line.

Jedi_Monk
06-30-2002, 02:41 AM
Despite the fact that I think Star Wars owns Star Trek on every level, I still like Star Trek all right. I liked The Next Generation and DS9, will watch Voyager if nothing else is on... however, I hate the OT (would rather have my eyes gouged out and my ears sliced off than be forced to watch it) and Enterprise (can't STAND that QuantomLeap actor!) and the movies except for The Voyage Home (which was more like a Star Trek parody than anything else) and First Contact.

That all said, I've read reviews of this movie several times on www.aintitcoolnews.com and I can tell you that if they didn't do some major revisions to the script, this movie is going to be terrible. They've removed Picard's brain, added in a stupid clone storyline that's an obvious rip-off of the Star Wars prequels and they kill off Data in the most moronic way possible. I can't believe the Next Generation crew would sign on for this.

It will be good as far as effects go, and probably acting... but the script will make you spit. I'll go see it, probably... just to watch the last nail go into Star Trek's coffin.

http://members.aol.com/dannilalfletch/Jedi_Monk.jpg

Lime-Light
06-30-2002, 03:30 AM
TNG is the best one, by far. I didnt even like the first Trek series, but the original cast movies were good. I never got into DS9, and after the first season Voyager sucked bad. And Enterprise.....yeesh. I can only conclude that after Gene died, a lot of the actual themes of Star Trek faded and that was left was the names, technology, and what the future looked like, in general.

I'll see it maybe in theaters, maybe on video or DVD, but just becuase the cast is good together and they can act alright, so whatever formuliac story has been pasted together will look better than its read....

plus all the explosions.....ooooooooooooh

greedo626
06-30-2002, 06:37 AM
looks sweet:D I'm gonna see it.

obi
06-30-2002, 07:10 AM
I voted the "It's gonna kick major rectum" option, though I think that Yoda should have finished off Dooku then and there. Anakin didn't get to save Padm'e because they had to fight dooku. Yoda should not have saved annie and Obi-wan, because he had to fight Dooku.

:D

Vestril
06-30-2002, 07:15 AM
Originally posted by obi-wan13
I voted the "It's gonna kick major rectum" option, though I think that Yoda should have finished off Dooku then and there. Anakin didn't get to save Padm'e because they had to fight dooku. Yoda should not have saved annie and Obi-wan, because he had to fight Dooku.

:D

:confused: Ow...

Confusing posts make Baby Ben Franklin want to cry...

:p

obi
06-30-2002, 07:18 AM
Originally posted by Vestril


:confused: Ow...

Confusing posts make Baby Ben Franklin want to cry...

:p

you are probably joking, but how is it confusing?

:p

Vestril
06-30-2002, 07:29 AM
Originally posted by obi-wan13


you are probably joking, but how is it confusing?

:p

It's confusing because it's in a thread about Star Trek: Nemesis...lol. Please...stop your assault on my poor beleagured head :p

Kurgan
06-30-2002, 07:37 PM
Though I am trying to watch all of the DS9 and Voyager episodes for the sake of completion, I much prefer the Roddenberry-based stuff, despite not agreeing with much of his socio-political ideas.

For me the Original Series and TNG based stuff were the most entertaining (and the even numbered films were the best). ; )

QuietSith
06-30-2002, 08:19 PM
Gee, what's with all the fake looking C.G.?

It looks just as bad as the two recent Star Wars movies.

Give me some old fashioned models and natural colors anyday.

QuietSith
06-30-2002, 08:21 PM
And .. Data 'looks' older and more fat.

I'd like to see how they explain that one.

greedo626
06-30-2002, 09:33 PM
Originally posted by QuietSith
And .. Data 'looks' older and more fat.

I'd like to see how they explain that one.

uh, those are his age replicators:rolleyes: . sometimes actors age, eh? in fact most of the time actors age.:D

JandoFett1842
07-01-2002, 06:36 AM
I hate Star Trek!

Trahern Valley
07-01-2002, 12:53 PM
So...the Romulans are making another play against the mighty Feds, eh? Wonder what Lor has to do with it...

About time. The original movies got the whole Klingon craze going, it's about time we get to see the Romulans on center stage. (Ready to trade my ghakh for an ozzel twist.) I'll wait until I actually see the movie, though.

TOS: Pretty cool. Even more so back in the day, with that chilly war going on. Then the third season ruined it. Shame.

TNG: Pretty cool, once most of the first season was out of the way. Everyone's favourite episodes are either the pair with Locutus or the pair with Spock. Can't blame them.

DS9: Pretty cool. Space station, nice twist. As was pretty much everything else. The first experience with the Prophets (in the pilot) was the only one I believed, but the politics and big battles were fun.

V: Pretty cool. Or it could have been, if they'd made it a mini-series instead of the mostly-crap it is. Still, Borg; not just the one with the cleavage you could ski down, either...

E: A possible SW prequel rip-off, and about as essential. To the franchise, that is. I'm betting the unknown bad guy in charge is Romulan.

Hey, full circle. I'll shut up now.

Sounds Risky
07-01-2002, 02:04 PM
It looks pretty good to me. Voted the first option.

Vestril
07-01-2002, 02:37 PM
TNG: Pretty cool, once most of the first season was out of the way. Everyone's favourite episodes are either the pair with Locutus or the pair with Spock. Can't blame them.


Wrong!! My favorite episode is the Inner Light...don't ask me why but I can watch that episode any time...I guess I'm just a Picard geek :p

Also, the 1st Season was superior to the second. Dr.Crusher was cool, Dr. Know-it-all made me angry, because she wasn't a babe :mad:

obi
07-01-2002, 10:33 PM
Yea, I thought Dr. Polaski was a bad idea.

oninosensi
07-01-2002, 11:00 PM
TNG was good because Gene was at the helm, now they just use his name to make money. Sad really, he did great work, and had a marvelous vision.

I liked DS9 because it was different that the standard 'trip about the galaxy' storyline. Because it was set in one location, you really got to know the seconadry characters better. There was more character development, and the long arch story lines were neat.

Voyager- okay at best. The series ending, well, was huge disappointment. I really expected more.

Enterprise: So far, not bad. Mr. Quantem Leap is tooo much of a teddy bear type right now, but we shall see how it goes. So far, the weapons guy and the chief engineer are the best characters.

Vestril
07-02-2002, 02:32 AM
TNG was good because Gene was at the helm, now they just use his name to make money. Sad really, he did great work, and had a marvelous vision.

It's funny, but I didn't really think the series picked up until after he died...it was a little too much like the Original Series for my tastes, but season 3 really had a feeling of it's own, and they went with it.

TKMaim
07-02-2002, 02:58 AM
TOS: was great but campy..and I suppose in line with what Gene wanted.

TNG: Awesome... No one beats Picard. Although my favorite episode was the one where Tasha Yar dies(becuase they kicked a main character (takes alot of guts)).. Or the eposide where Data finds out he has a brother...

DS9: OK, but could have been better. KInd of got screwed off the air with bad timing, time slots, etc.... Characters were awesome though...

Voyager: It's always been my favorite. I know I'm an outcast among the Trek crowd but I loved the exploration storyline...plue Chakotea? was a cool character. I also really liked the last episode, guess I'm the odd one out again... oh well!

Enterprise: Good so far, although I have to agree that it's probably a Romulan behind the whole evil guy thing. The captain needs to be a stronger character though, and not so wishy-washy....

Movies... I've seen'em all including ST4-The Voyage Nowhere... When I went to it I was there in the theater by myself...literally (there was no one else in the theater).
The new movies are better. Generations was good, Insurrection was also good, and I think they're on the right track with Nemisis although they will sacrifice some of Gene's vision to get there. It will attract a newer audience instead of just the hard core Trek fans....

My 2cents...pretty long, actually 3 cents....

Jedi_Monk
07-02-2002, 03:36 AM
So...the Romulans are making another play against the mighty Feds, eh? Wonder what Lor has to do with it...
**SPOILER**
That's not Lor... it's Data's OTHER brother... the retarded one that no one ever talked about... ever... :rolleyes: Furthermore, this isn't the Romulan Empire we all know and loath from TNG... these are the Remans from Romulus' slave moon. The Remans (led by a *gasp* clone of Picard) have taken over the Romulan Empire and somehow gotten a hold of a superweapon, blah,blah,blah... this movie's gonna be terrible.

http://members.aol.com/dannilalfletch/Jedi_Monk.jpg

Pedantic
07-02-2002, 02:37 PM
I think it's gonna be better than the Enterprise crap we've been subjected to as of late. TNG was the best, and I'm glad we at least get another movie with them.

Darth Groovy
07-02-2002, 03:01 PM
[QUOTE]Originally posted by Yoda_623
It is a fact that Star Trek does SUCK! [/QUOTE

And so it was written.......Amen!!!!

Darth Groovy
07-02-2002, 03:06 PM
Originally posted by Kurgan
Star Trek first aired 1966-1969 (now known as the "original series" with William Shatner as Captain Kirk, Leonard Nimoy as Mr. Spock and DeForest Kelly as Dr. McCoy). When the show was cancelled after its third season, there was a huge fan backlash. So we can say with confidence that this generation of fans existed at least as early as 1969.

The first Trek movie came out in 1979, and since that time there have been almost a steady stream of movies and new tv series (the second series, not including the cartoon of course, was The Next Generation in 1987). Anyhow, check imdb.com for full details. Trek is pretty old, by pop culture standards, and its been a staple of reruns and video stores ever since its inception.

And let us not forget that the first Star Trek movie bit Star Wars in the worst way. Also without Star Wars, Star Trek would have never made it to the big screen. But Star Trek still sucks, without night you could neve have a day I suppose!:mad:

Darth Groovy
07-02-2002, 03:19 PM
although they will sacrifice some of Gene's vision to get there. It will attract a newer audience instead of just the hard core Trek fans....

My 2cents...pretty long, actually 3 cents.... [/B][/QUOTE]

Darth Groovy
07-02-2002, 03:21 PM
although they will sacrifice some of Gene's vision to get there. It will attract a newer audience instead of just the hard core Trek fans....

My 2cents...pretty long, actually 3 cents.... [/B][/QUOTE

And this is a good thing because...........????:confused:

"The chancellor should never have brought them into this, kill them immediately!"

_Darth Sideous:holosid:

Pedantic
07-02-2002, 03:23 PM
If they didn't try to attract new viewers, there'd be about two people at each theater wanting to see the movie. And Trek fans don't usually do the repeat thing either. It's always about the money. It always has been.

Darth Groovy
07-02-2002, 04:34 PM
Originally posted by Pedantic
If they didn't try to attract new viewers, there'd be about two people at each theater wanting to see the movie. And Trek fans don't usually do the repeat thing either. It's always about the money. It always has been.

I would personally pay them to stay home. I don't know about you but I am sick of seeing poeple at the convention centers dressed up as "borg" and "klingons". Trekkies must become obsolete at all costs.


"Prepare for ludicrist speed!"

_Col Sanders

TKMaim
07-03-2002, 01:40 AM
I think bringin in new people is great. Hell, I would've never watched ST if my dad hadn't been a fan of the original series.

So what your saying is that it should just die out and noone new should ever see a ST episode or movie?

Darth Groovy
07-03-2002, 01:48 AM
Originally posted by TKMaim
I think bringin in new people is great. Hell, I would've never watched ST if my dad hadn't been a fan of the original series.

So what your saying is that it should just die out and noone new should ever see a ST episode or movie?

"Wipe them out.......all of them!"

_Darth Sideous

Vestril
07-03-2002, 02:05 AM
Originally posted by darthgroovyii


"Wipe them out.......all of them!"

_Darth Sideous

Ummmm...it isn't the new people that dress up, it's the old people. So you want ST to attract new people, people who don't dress up :rolleyes:

Darth Groovy
07-05-2002, 07:07 AM
Originally posted by Vestril


Ummmm...it isn't the new people that dress up, it's the old people. So you want ST to attract new people, people who don't dress up :rolleyes:

When I was a little boy I asked my mom about them once and she said that they were special and that they couldn't help it. I guess I am not supposed to make fun of them.

Trahern Valley
07-05-2002, 10:12 AM
I have never dressed up as a fictional character. In days long gone, I wore tracksuits that reminded me of the outfits worn in that MASK cartoon, but that was it.

That being said, I am designing a jedi outfit to compliment the lightsaber I ordered. I'm sure the robe could double for a Romulan mercenary's cloak or something...

Never been to any kind of convention, ever.

XERXES
07-05-2002, 10:30 AM
star trek...WTF?!?!?!

Darth Groovy
07-05-2002, 10:35 AM
Originally posted by Trahern Valley
I have never dressed up as a fictional character. In days long gone, I wore tracksuits that reminded me of the outfits worn in that MASK cartoon, but that was it.

That being said, I am designing a jedi outfit to compliment the lightsaber I ordered. I'm sure the robe could double for a Romulan mercenary's cloak or something...

Never been to any kind of convention, ever.

Never been to a convention either. Have a costume. It is the one pictured in my Avatar here. You are the first person I have ever heard of that made a costume to accompany the lightsaber, usually it is the other way around. I need to get my hands on a pair of Frank Thomas racing boots and a Darth Maul propsaber. All I have is the toy, but I need something more real.

Phillio
07-05-2002, 01:50 PM
This movie looks like I'll have to see it at all costs!
*pulls out a phaser*.I WILL be the first in line.... *turn phaser to kill.......WAHAAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHHAAH!!!!!!! !!!!!!!!!

Darth Groovy
07-05-2002, 03:44 PM
I think I will wait until it comes to the $1 theater. I'm psyched up to see Harry Potter 2!

<>Phant0m<>
07-05-2002, 09:35 PM
Originally posted by Trahern Valley
I have never dressed up as a fictional character. In days long gone, I wore tracksuits that reminded me of the outfits worn in that MASK cartoon, but that was it.


I had a spiderman suit back in the eightys, i used to get a ringing sound in my ear and i thought it was my spider sense.

Dont spread it around it could ruin my rep :eyeraise:

obi
07-05-2002, 11:46 PM
I was Obi-wan last year for holloween. I even went so far as to but a plastic Obi-wan saber, the padawan hairpiece, and a robe. :eek:

I already had a shirt and pants that matched his colors, and some boots that looked like him.

ANyways, Nemesis is gonna rule!

Darth Groovy
07-06-2002, 07:43 PM
Hey Obi I been meaning to ask you.... That is me in my Avatar. My Darth Maul costume. I have worn it faithfully every Holloween since 1999. What do you think? Any suggestions?

obi
07-06-2002, 10:07 PM
Originally posted by darthgroovyii
Hey Obi I been meaning to ask you.... That is me in my Avatar. My Darth Maul costume. I have worn it faithfully every Holloween since 1999. What do you think? Any suggestions?

It looks good, but I would suggest one of those Hasbro electric sabers with the sound and lights. not that other thing that only lights up. :)

Darth Groovy
07-07-2002, 07:38 AM
Originally posted by obi-wan13


It looks good, but I would suggest one of those Hasbro electric sabers with the sound and lights. not that other thing that only lights up. :)

Actually that is the one I use, and the one pictured here, however there is no way to hang it from my belt. And I wish it would stay lit all of the time instead of only lighting up when you strike something. I have the other one you are talking about as well.