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Darth Knight
06-30-2002, 10:11 AM
it was a perfect time for him to go to the light side wasn't it like moments away from his death yeah right

Elegy
06-30-2002, 10:20 AM
Hey, perhaps it took his death to realize how profoundly he screwed up. If you think about it, it didn't really seem like he was going to die after Luke whooped him. Think about it, he wanted to avoid killing Luke the entire time throughout Empire and Jedi. He had suggested to the Emperor in ESB that perhaps Luke could be turned. Then when he had the chance to kill his ass after cutting his hand off, he instead tried to sway him. Lastly, in RotJ, when it was apparent that Luke wouldn't be turned, and the Emperor began to electrocute him to death, that was the straw that broke the camel's back and won him back over to the lightside. And I think what ended up dealing him a killing blow is when he bodily picked up the Emperor and chucked his wrinkled ass down that shaft. That lightning he was spewing out played all over Vader at that part and showed it playing along his suit. Probably fried that whole breathing apparatus, which is what killed him.

shidobu
06-30-2002, 11:28 AM
Elegy makes a good point. I think that he could have lived longer had he chosen not to intervene, but the mind games Vader and Luke played, [i.e. each trying to sway the other to their side of the force] led Vader to feel a greater connection to his son than to his master, thus he turned to the light side, and Palpatine's lightning fried his machine parts, killing him slowly enough for him to reveal his change in his ways to Luke.

Kyth'emos
06-30-2002, 12:56 PM
I always thought it made perfect sense, mostly for the reasons outlined in Elegy's post.

Arkum
06-30-2002, 01:38 PM
I thought exactly what Elegy thought. Vader could have lived longer, but that lightning spewing over his machine body was messing it up. In the end he had to throw that old pale wrinkled freak down to the pit.

technobot
06-30-2002, 01:42 PM
and it was the perfect end for the fallen hero: Luke, not being a Jedi Master yet, couldn't deflect the lightning, more importantly he couldn't kill the unarmed Emperor with his lightsaber without becoming a dark Jedi. Darth Vader, being evil, brought balance to the force with his final evil act (albeit an evil act with a good intention): killing the Emperor.

kaibigan
06-30-2002, 02:09 PM
Nice explanation there dude.
I always looked at it a bit differently though. I felt it was his mask being removed that finally killed him. His suit was keeping him alive even after the emperor's energy had racked his body. Honestly I think he didnt care anymore about death just so he could look at his son one time with his own eyes and not through a mask.
Also we could say it was all those factors that led him to death. Being attacked with such anger by his son must have done some serious damage to him. Remember how his breathing changed after the assualt?
Then seeing his son being attacked by the emperor and he made the decision to save his son. His son after all was the only hope left for Jedi to continue on. He was then ripped from the darkside and no longer to use the darkside to help sustain his lifeforce.
Add to that the emperor's energies. Probably did some more physical damage.
And end with his mask being removed.
I remember a few people have said the prophecy of Anakin bringing balance to the force is still a mystery but there it is. It was Anakin and not Darth Vader that killed the Emperor and gave balance was again to the force.

Kaito Fett

I just thought of something odd. Isnt it strange how Anakin is about average height for a man and Vader is freaking tall? That lava pit must have done alot more then just burn. Makes me wonder just how much of him is living tissue and how much is machine in that suit. "He's more machine now, then man."

Wow nice thread dude. Comtemplating more then Lucas ever thought his fans would about his movies.

oninosensi
06-30-2002, 02:12 PM
I doubt Vader cared about saving the jedi, just his son. And once you introduce enough machery into anyone, you can pretty much make them any height they want to be.

technobot
06-30-2002, 11:31 PM
hey Kaibigan, you have the NICE explanation :)

I had always wondered about the final duel; until Luke chops off Vaders (already mechanical) hand, he doesn't receive any saber hits, but yes, his breathing is very heavy (even for Vader :)) by the end. So perhaps you're right; just the fury of the assault "knocked his wind out" or something to that effect.