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Arkum
06-30-2002, 03:00 PM
Do you think Sidious is Palpatine..

Yes?

or

No?


I think he is, I jsut have this feeling and of all the things said in Episode II

Redwing
06-30-2002, 03:10 PM
...

Me too, considering they have the same actor...

:p

oninosensi
06-30-2002, 03:19 PM
Gee, let me think, hard to say....

:p

Lime-Light
06-30-2002, 03:19 PM
You would have to be either the most blindly idiototic retard not to think so, or someone on the inside...

Zindell
06-30-2002, 05:16 PM
It's kinda been confirmed in most ways. They do seem to have the same name, chanceller palpatine, emperor palpatine. I'm actually surprised you still have doubts.

BCanr2d2
06-30-2002, 05:32 PM
I think some people are holding back, wondering if GL will do the "No, I am your father" plot twist in Episode 3.

Funkey monkey
06-30-2002, 06:42 PM
Your feelings serves u well arkum.
i with!
plapatine is sidious! :atat: :atat: :atat:

Darth Groovy
06-30-2002, 06:48 PM
Darth Sideous is really Captain Tarples from Otah Gunga.:vadar:

Ben_Walker
06-30-2002, 07:56 PM
Of course Sidious is Palpatine, if you don't think so, think about these.

- Sidious plans to conquer the Republic in ep 1,2 and 3. Palpatine is emperor and has defeated the republic.

- Sidious and emperor Palpatine where the same get up.

- Played by the same actor. :eek:

- Sidious is the master Dark lord of the Sith in 1,2,3 and Palpatine is the master Dark lord of the Sith also in 4,5 and 6 also.

- Their exactly the same.

Arán
06-30-2002, 08:52 PM
I know that Sidius is Palpatin.
Because i have read it in a book so I know!

Yoda_623
07-01-2002, 12:02 AM
Yeah Sidious is Palpatine. As many people before have said. He's the same one that Darth Vader kills.

Arkum
07-01-2002, 12:13 AM
Yeah, but, believe it or not, some people don't think Sidious is Palpatine. That's wh y decided to have this poll up to think what people here thought

Darth Knight
07-01-2002, 12:23 AM
question:

i get confused with all the different names darth sidious is the emporer dude in 4,5,6 right

palpatine is the other dude that wears the same clothes in 1,2

is that right?

Kyth'emos
07-01-2002, 12:26 AM
Originally posted by Master Axel
I know that Sidius is Palpatin.
Because i have read it in a book so I know!

Yes and we all know the anything you read in a bulls**t EU bok is canon.

shidobu
07-01-2002, 04:00 AM
With all the info we have how, I'd say it is a safe assumption, but then again, Lucas has a penchant for weird plot twists [Luke, I am your father :)] so I wouldn't be surprised if he did something similar in this regard.

NerfYoda
07-01-2002, 05:01 AM
Ok, who was the joker that voted "no"? :D

JandoFett1842
07-01-2002, 06:15 AM
No! I think that Palpatine Kills of Sidious because that would be cooler! (I voted 'yes')

kfretz
07-01-2002, 08:12 AM
FOR THE LOVE OF CHRIST IF YOU VOTED NO THEN U NEED TO GO PLAY WITH BARBIE DOLLS OR SUMTHING OR GO BACK TO FIRST GRADE.....I ASKED MY DOG AND EVEN HE SAID IT WAS

Crazy_Taco
07-01-2002, 08:26 AM
Here is a number u can call if u dont know the answer

1-800-BIG-IDIOT

Crazy_Taco
07-01-2002, 08:28 AM
Or

1-800-URN-IDIOT

JandoFett1842
07-01-2002, 09:50 AM
I tried those but it just came up with porn crap!

Darth Talliusc
07-01-2002, 10:42 AM
it would seem obvious that palpatine is darth sidious, for that reason alone i believe he is not! george lucas never confimered or denied it, they cast the same actor but im not sure that its all that simple, i think that in ep3 we will all be shocked to see that they are different, it is possible that im completely wrong but i see little hints that palpatine and sidious are different, for instance in the new and revised character profile book sidious and palpatine have different heights! how do you explain that? george lucas has had a history of surprising and shocking viewers, who could forget the first time they saw darth vader say "no! I am your father!"

Arkum
07-01-2002, 12:44 PM
as palpatine he stands tall and proud as a chancellor. Then he putso n his robes and hunches over when he hides from his duties in the senate chamber:)

Jedi_Monk
07-01-2002, 12:51 PM
It's supposed to be obvious because otherwise, the plots of Episode I and Episode II make no sense... Palpatine and Sidious are either the same person, or two clones of the same person--and I think the latter option is just a little too much.

http://members.aol.com/dannilalfletch/Jedi_Monk.jpg

Arkum
07-01-2002, 12:54 PM
Ah..yes. There could be a clone connection between sidious and palpatine. AS of the moment, I still think they're the same people.

Shadow Angel
07-01-2002, 01:47 PM
Man, I've been wasting paragraphs upon paragraphs of reasons why Palpatine is Sidious in the Sidious vs. Yoda thread, and I didn't even see this one! ARGH! Well, you can go there to see why I think they're the same.

If you think the announcer for JKII multiplayer sucks ("The Force is (not) with you.") you MUST check out this thread.

http://www.lucasforums.com/showthread.php?s=&threadid=65555

Nebelwerfer_
07-01-2002, 02:08 PM
Yah I believe that they are the same person, but the question still stands: why is GL still keeping it ambiguous?

all the evidence points to them being the same person, and we are not retards, and we know how it all ends, so why the hell does he still keep it ambiguous???

Arkum
07-01-2002, 02:11 PM
Because the only thing he ever made money off of was his Star Wars franchise and he just likes to be that way. They interviewed him when EP 1 came out and everything he said was as if he's only telling half of the truth. Don't get me wrong, Star Wars movies are really good.

MasterD-LeyAmas
07-01-2002, 05:09 PM
Duh.

[turns, slams head against wall - *WHAM!*]

no, not yet...

[repeats - *WHAM! WHAM WHAM!*]

uhhhhhh.....

otay, i dumb enuf 2 click da "no" thingy now.

Crazy_Taco
07-01-2002, 11:39 PM
The chance of a clone is possible, never thought about it. He owns the cloners, i mean, one fake senator, one real lightning throwing sob. That would twist the whole damn plot.

MotionMan
07-02-2002, 12:50 AM
Originally posted by Nebelwerfer_
Yah I believe that they are the same person, but the question still stands: why is GL still keeping it ambiguous?

all the evidence points to them being the same person, and we are not retards, and we know how it all ends, so why the hell does he still keep it ambiguous???

Because if you are watching the Star Wars saga for the first time you have to be surprised. I mean we all have seen the OT right? so we know what will happen. He is maybe doing this for the people who havent seen the OT and will be surprised by this.
We are all spoiled from already knowing whats going to happen.
Thats why it is hard for some to accept that Sidious is palpatine. They are expecting a big surprise, when in fact sidious is palpatine. There are so many in your face obvious clues to this.
The clone nonsense comes from the EU books:rolleyes:

Arco
07-02-2002, 01:10 AM
Remember superman 3 where he went evil and there was two of him? I reckon that sommat like that could be done. MAybe he has a split personality and like when he is the good one he thinks what he is doing is right but reallt he is being influence by his second evil personality. Then he would have to fight himself in ep3 and it would be really freaky if they did it right. Otherwise it is too obvious and crap.

Arco

Turgenev
07-02-2002, 01:33 AM
Only as a way of toying with the crowd, but also bringing up something that I argued back in Ep1 as a hypothetical but possible plot twist:

1. Darth Sidious. He's evil, he wants the Republic for himself. He's got skillz, but no backing. (The Jedi kinda stand in the way.)
2. Sidious goes to the planet of clonepeople, and chooses one of himself. Same general intellect/personality set, more agreeable, NO introduction to Force training in any way. Keep him programmably susceptible for influence by Sidious, but leave him largely independent, as he has Sidious's ambition and drive; he'll just do it the legal way.
3. Palpatine can hobnob with the Jedi goobersmoochers all he wants, because he isn't Dark-side aligned. He's just a politician.

This gives him the ability to work on two fronts, with complete anonymity: The Chancellor side, setting the stage in extra-long term consideration (laying seeds to take fruition 2-3 decades later); and the Darth side, exploiting the circumstances that his cloned doppleganger have laid for him. That gives the Chancellor complete justification for going to war; for locking down on the Jedi whose time has come, and they're the ONLY Force users that can be behind all the things to come in Ep3, blah blah. Once Palpatine has secured Emperorship, Sidious removes him from the board, and walks right in.

Scapegoats and plausible deniability. Of course, the way Lucas writes, it'll be an Ewok behind the cloak or something.

Darth Joka'ar
07-02-2002, 01:51 AM
I was debating this in Yoda Vs. DS :Clash of Titans topic with Shadow Angel.

1st of all, Shadow Angel stands with DS is EP.

2nd. Emperor palpatine/Darth Sidious hide his Dark Side aura in front of the Jedi Council by using a YSALAMIRI

So the Jedi Council couldnt detect Palpatines' Dark Force.:lightning

Make sense?:c3po:

Jedi_Monk
07-02-2002, 02:22 AM
No, doesn't make sense because Ysalamiri are not part of the SW canon but the EU. Besides, even if Lucas decided to throw the EU a bone by including Ysalamiri, the "bubble in the Force" that a Ysalamiri would use is very easily detectable by a Jedi. It's a deadzone. Ysalamiri are good for rendering a Jedi's powers useless, however, they'd be terrible for this kind of subterfuge.

If you watch the Prequels, and keep track of the appearances of the cloaked Darth Sidious, you'll notice that he only appears under two circumstances.

1) He's dealing with his pawns, he doesn't want them to know who he really is (but either the Niemoidians figured it out or Dooku was just giving Obi-Wan crap back on Geonesis--which is very possible).

Or 2) he's appearing with his Apprentice on Coruscant. Think about it, his Apprentice is his hand in the universe; he's the brain, they're the brawn. Darth Maul has to go out there and slaughter Jedi while Darth Tyranus has to go out there, slaughter Jedi and convince systems to secede from the Republic by convincing them that it is corrupt (that Palpatine, the Chancellor of the Republic in particular, is corrupt). If Palpatine went uncloaked to meet with his Apprentice and they were identified, it would ruin all of his plans because either his Apprentice hasn't been revealed yet but will have to do his dirty-work someday, or because his Apprentice is a major figure in the universe who people need to think is allied against him.

I don't think it's about ambiguity, but about common-sense and maybe a bit of paranoia on Palpatine's side.

http://members.aol.com/dannilalfletch/Jedi_Monk.jpg

Munkaboo
07-02-2002, 02:27 AM
Originally posted by kfretz
FOR THE LOVE OF CHRIST IF YOU VOTED NO THEN U NEED TO GO PLAY WITH BARBIE DOLLS OR SUMTHING OR GO BACK TO FIRST GRADE.....I ASKED MY DOG AND EVEN HE SAID IT WAS

Well mister kretz... could be POSSIBLE that the chancellor is a, gasp, CLONE of emporer palpatine? Ever think of THAT? Theres your "I am your father" plot twist imo. The emperor could be controlling the chancellor a la dark side, eh? If this counts as the same person, then I'd say yes, but whmmmmmmmmm.

Quin Jai-Obaj
07-02-2002, 05:05 AM
Duh you freaking moron. it practicly Anounced that he was palpitine. what do you plug your ears and just watch all the action when your at the theater? god of course palpitine is emporor. :rolleyes: :rolleyes: :rolleyes: :rolleyes: :p :p

Solak
07-02-2002, 05:15 AM
Yes Sidious is Palpatine, not a clone my reasons for this were...

If HE WERE CLONED THEY WOULD HAVE FIXED HIS EYES!!!


ROTFLMAO!!!

:D :D :D :D
OMG The first time i saw him i couldn't freaking stop laughing
and sayin the eyes, the eyes!!!!


Solak

obi
07-02-2002, 05:20 AM
NO, they aren't the same person! You people are stupid!! How retarded do you have to be to think they are the same?!?!?!?!?

Darth Kaan
07-02-2002, 07:45 AM
Yeah but....Yoda smokes the dagobah green and he is Palpatines Father.

:monkey4: :monkey4: :monkey4: :monkey4::monkey4:

Darth Groovy
07-02-2002, 06:14 PM
Originally posted by Darth Joka'ar
I was debating this in Yoda Vs. DS :Clash of Titans topic with Shadow Angel.

1st of all, Shadow Angel stands with DS is EP.

2nd. Emperor palpatine/Darth Sidious hide his Dark Side aura in front of the Jedi Council by using a [b]YSALAMIRI

The ysalamiri only came in the EU. And................

Darth Kaan Yeah but....Yoda smokes the dagobah green and he is Palpatines Father.


Why does everyone insist that yoda smokes herb? I'm getting really sick of seeing this, because yoda is one of my most favorite characters. Grow up already for crying out loud!:horn:

Darth Kaan
07-03-2002, 06:38 AM
darthgroovyii,

It was a JOKE!

If you cant see the humor, get a clue...

Robbiesan
07-03-2002, 06:59 AM
yes

Darth Kaan
07-03-2002, 07:30 AM
Now

-[MotU]-Lyger|=-
07-03-2002, 08:19 AM
Here is the real question, who finds out first?!

Kit fisto JK
07-03-2002, 08:44 AM
Kit Fisto or Yoda:rhett:

Darth Groovy
07-05-2002, 06:10 PM
Originally posted by Darth Kaan
darthgroovyii,

It was a JOKE!

If you cant see the humor, get a clue...

The only thing I see is the popular assumption that all Jedi Master's smoke dope and meditate all day. Whatever.:evanpiel:

Arkum
07-11-2002, 09:59 AM
I'd asy Obiwan finds out about Sidious/Palpatine first:aobi: :saberb:

Arkum
07-11-2002, 10:02 AM
and speaking of GL's wierd plot twists, for all we know :indy: is Sidious:p

Obi-Doo
07-12-2002, 08:34 AM
It's just too obvious that Palpantine is Sidious, so they cant be the same. Plus, Palpy is 1.73 meters high while Sidious is 1.78 meters.

So i voted no HAHA!

James Brophy
07-16-2002, 06:05 AM
you wish, anyway its freaking abvious chancellor gets power he likes it then he sees the crisis makes a army then he says he will leave out the power when the crisis(FEAR) is over but he doesnt then people go against him he gets angry (ANGRE) then he starts to hate (HATE) all these abounents then he takes over and makes the empire then well... sufures by dying down the pit! just in case you didnt understand the brackets yoda said fear leads to angre and angre leads to hate then hate leads to... suffering!:yodaball: :saberg:

-[MotU]-Lyger|=-
07-16-2002, 06:29 AM
this thread is old sauce. i wonder who's sneakin out with the shovels and flashlights?? hmmm... my senses tell me Darth Groovy is the one! *gasp*

Daishin
07-17-2002, 02:24 AM
The building that Count Dooku flies into is the unfinished Imperial Palace..

Nebelwerfer_
07-17-2002, 09:19 AM
yah, at first I thought it was an abandoned industrial zone, but then I saw the imperial palace from tie fighter

Redwing
07-17-2002, 01:04 PM
You forgot the "Yoda" option :D

Nebelwerfer_
07-17-2002, 02:06 PM
yoda option... huh?
whats that?

Shadow Angel
07-17-2002, 02:26 PM
Originally posted by Obi-Doo
It's just too obvious that Palpantine is Sidious, so they cant be the same. Plus, Palpy is 1.73 meters high while Sidious is 1.78 meters.

So i voted no HAHA!

Do you realize that if they're different, then it takes all the coolness away from our beloved Palpatine? Sounds like a hairy fanboy theory about them being clones or whatever.

It's just like watching Batman. You know he's Bruce Wayne, billionaire CEO of Wayne Enterprises, but do the citizens of Gotham know that? Of course not! That's because they don't have an omnipresent camera that makes it obvious to them. Besides, the Sidious/Palpatine revelation in Episode III would be today's generation's version of "I am your father." Plus, did you not read my proof on the "It's official: Sidious and Palpatine are the SAME" thing? Huh? You make such a big deal over a height stat. Geez, I bet the height listed under Han Solo isn't even the same height as Harrison Ford. UGH!

Darth Groovy
07-17-2002, 03:14 PM
Originally posted by -=|Lyger|=-
this thread is old sauce. i wonder who's sneakin out with the shovels and flashlights?? hmmm... my senses tell me Darth Groovy is the one! *gasp*

Hey now.....just because I am the caretaker does not mean I am a psycho nut case who runs around the halls at night with a shovel and a pick axe------MWAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA!!!!! YYYYYYOOOOOOOOUUUUUUU RRRRRRRRAAAAAAAANNNNNG?

Anyways I still think Sideouse is really Jimmy Carter, no matter what Yoda says.

ibballin
07-17-2002, 03:49 PM
if Palpantine is a clone of Sidious, then that will explain why yoda didnt detect the sith master at the end of the eps1 and why none of the jedi masters detected the sith master when he was right in their faces in eps2. right? i dont know what to think because everyone is saying they are they same person so Georgy would purposely do the oppi"sith" just to trick everyone

Kstar__2
07-17-2002, 06:35 PM
but then, who is yoda's father? exar kun, freedun nadd?

Breton
07-17-2002, 08:11 PM
Well, Palpy is not a clone of Sidious.

Another theory on Palpy-Sidious thing is that Palpy is a servant for Sidious, and therefore Sidious is really in control of senate. But Palpy is hungry of power, and therefore kills Sidious and makes himself emperor and Vader his padawan.

And perhaps Palpy is Sids brother, and he is therefore skilled in dark side of the force.

Hey, why didn't we all think of that before!

Maybe Palpy is Sids brother!!!!!!

That explains why they look alike, why they have different heights, why they have both the force in them, why they have the same plan!

So the true answer must be that Palpy is Sids brother!!!!!!!!!

:D :D :D

MaulerZ
07-18-2002, 11:49 PM
YES!

teutonicknight
07-19-2002, 08:27 AM
Yes concidering the evidence.... but maybe not....... maybe in Ep 3 we find out that Sidious is Palpatine's father... :)

Breton
07-19-2002, 09:01 AM
Hmm that's acually a good theory too.

Turgenev
07-20-2002, 03:06 AM
Originally posted by JM Qui-Gon Jinn
Well, Palpy is not a clone of Sidious.

Out of curiosity, what makes you think that? See, I think my Palp = clone puppet of Sidious theory works out rather cleanly, and thus far the best retort I've seen is "no he is not its so freekin obvious", without any solid refutation. :)

So, why do you think Palp isn't a clone? Just looking for solid arguments here. :cool:

Breton
07-20-2002, 05:11 AM
Well, Palpy is 1.73 and Sid is 1.78

Clones are the same height

So Sid and Palpy are not clones

Turgenev
07-20-2002, 06:23 AM
Originally posted by JM Qui-Gon Jinn
Well, Palpy is 1.73 and Sid is 1.78

Clones are the same height

So Sid and Palpy are not clones

Hmm. Good point, but a counter-point would be that the Caminans(sp?) might be able to adjust that upon request of the purchaser. For instance, Jango's clones weren't as independent as he was; and in the close-ups of their faces, they didn't appear to look as identical to Jango's face as they might've. That's wholly subjective, though I think the idea has merit.

Touché, Monsieur Pussycat! (waits for the cartoon cannonball to fire):launcher:

Psionic Jedi
07-20-2002, 07:19 AM
Isn't "Sidious" Palpatine's Sith alias like "Tyrannus" is Dooku's Sith alias?

Nebelwerfer_
07-20-2002, 01:23 PM
yes it is pysoinic jedi, but dooku doesn't hold two jobs and wear a hood like sid.