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Darth Groovy
07-02-2002, 06:46 PM
I am assuming that at least a few poeple that read these threads at least like Star Wars, so I am interested in any input. Also for the record I think the new movies are wonderful!:dmaul3:

D.L.
07-02-2002, 07:14 PM
My sisters loved AotC and all the other Star Wars films.

70% of critics liked AotC.

The reason they didn't like TPM was simple. It's a **** film. Plain and simple. I'm as big a fan as anyone but the film was crap. No amount of special effect can hid the poor story, bad acting and underdeveloped characters. And for the record, Jar Jar was not a factor for me. He was ok.

Women and Critics do like Star Wars. Not all but then again not all Men like Star Wars either.

BCanr2d2
07-02-2002, 08:07 PM
Critics are always going to take SW apart, since they are more style over substance, but have always been that way.

Zindell
07-02-2002, 08:13 PM
Yes I agree... My sister, has absolutly no taste in movies whatsoever, this is not directed to women in general because as far as that goes I am not sure.

But any movie of quality is trash to my sister, and by that reasoning I know that it was good. The only thing my sister will ever like are teen flicks and most "chic" flicks.

JangoFett41
07-02-2002, 08:24 PM
people are ignorant. half the kids in my class say Star Wars sucks. They're like "What's so great about it," or "it's so boring." Most of these people watched 15 min of ANH. Of course it's gonna be boring in the beginning. He had to establish characters. Some kids haven't seen it at all and they just call it gay because they can't think for themselves and they live in a generation where they don't have to care about anything except how they look and what radio station they listen to. I hate ignorant people but unfortunately the world will never change.

For those who have seen this film and hate it, they must be retarded. It's a whole new world filled with amazing feats of ability that we would never be able to pull off. It's getting to see everything you ever wanted to do but couldn't because of our limited technology. And it's just a classic movie.

WolfmanNCSU
07-02-2002, 08:29 PM
My girl friend is a fan of chick flicks mostly, but she also really loves Sci-Fi and Fantasy. So she also likes to watch Star Trek, Star Wars, and Lord of the Rings type movies.

Her all time favorite movie is Willow!!

D.L.
07-02-2002, 08:49 PM
Willow!

Now that is a great film!!!

WolfmanNCSU
07-02-2002, 08:53 PM
A Classic for the ages, I must agree.

Reb Starblazer
07-02-2002, 09:34 PM
Hold on to that one Wolfman, she sounds like a keeper :D
Honestly, it seems rather difficult to find girls/women who actually like the Sci fi genre, so it's a breath of fresh air when you do. Besides, if they like Star Wars, they could "have their pick of any geek"(Triumph the insult dog, that was frickin' hilarious BTW).
Anyone else notice how girls will most often fall for the biggest idiot they can find and someone that will treat them like crap?
Just something I've noticed(Not talking about you Wolfman, you're girl seems like a smart one :D)

obi
07-02-2002, 09:38 PM
My girlfriend, bless her heart, went to sit through episode II with me. When you first see obi-wan in the lift, she points and says:

"That is Luke Skywalker, right?"

I just sighed and said "yes"

She doesn't really like star wars, but she doesn't hate it either. And critics hated AOTC because they where doing their job:Critisizing.

Darth Talliusc
07-02-2002, 10:07 PM
most critics these days grew up during the first trilogy and expect to be moved the same way that they were then, the fact is that you're more easily moved by movies when you're a kid, i understand some ppl not liking ep1 but ep2 was simply a masterpiece. god what a creation! i didnt really like ep4 either just because the effects were sad (due to budget) and vader was a puss, he walked around taking orders from tarkin which should never have happened, and his voice was higher. well anyway you can bet that when im a critic (god bless i get such a job) ill put starwars on the top of my list

JangoFett41
07-02-2002, 10:31 PM
I feel exactly the same way as you. Ep II is great, a masterpiece. And we all now Ep III will be the best ever. Just think so many conflicts must be solved in 2 hrs and 30 min.

WolfmanNCSU
07-02-2002, 11:45 PM
Originally posted by Reb_Starblazer
Hold on to that one Wolfman, she sounds like a keeper :D
...you're girl seems like a smart one :D)

Thanks I appreciate it. She is wonderful and I love her dearly, and she is also my best friend (**Audience: Awwwwwwww**). She really makes me feel lucky.

Both Ep 1 & 2 where great in my opinion because it stuck with the same stuff that the original starwars movies had. Thats what made them great! Don't change what's already working. It just enhanced them more and added more to the entire universe. It made it enjoyable not only to the starwars fan, but for everyone. :D

Great work Lucas. /me Waits for Ep 3 patiently...

Darth Groovy
07-02-2002, 11:47 PM
Originally posted by obi-wan13
My girlfriend, bless her heart, went to sit through episode II with me. When you first see obi-wan in the lift, she points and says:

"That is Luke Skywalker, right?"

I just sighed and said "yes"

She doesn't really like star wars, but she doesn't hate it either. And critics hated AOTC because they where doing their job:Critisizing.

Bless her soul. The last girlfriend hated Star Wars, the one before that loved to watch them with me, the one I like now just thinks it is cute that I like it so much. A girl I talk to at work takes great pride in ripping on everything that is Star Wars.:dmaul3:

Darth Groovy
07-02-2002, 11:49 PM
Originally posted by D.L.
My sisters loved AotC and all the other Star Wars films.

70% of critics liked AotC.

The reason they didn't like TPM was simple. It's a **** film. Plain and simple. I'm as big a fan as anyone but the film was crap. No amount of special effect can hid the poor story, bad acting and underdeveloped characters. And for the record, Jar Jar was not a factor for me. He was ok.

Women and Critics do like Star Wars. Not all but then again not all Men like Star Wars either.

I just don't see what was so bad about it. It was fast paced, new exiting fun. It really is one of my favorites. In my opinion however, no movie can top Empire!

Jedi_Monk
07-03-2002, 01:28 AM
I went to see SW2 with four of my female cousins ranging in age from 9 to 20 and they all loved it. The 20-year-old was even inspired to watch the entire original trillogy which she hadn't done for... probably as long as she can remember. In my Youth Group, there's also at least one other girl I talk to who absolutely loves all things Star Wars. There's only one girl I know who says she hated SW2 and she probably only said that because she likes to mess with our heads.

BTW, I don't think it's fair to say SW1 had bad character development... on its own, yes, they were shallow... but SW1 is part of an epic storyach and we're still learning things about the characters in it--even a character who died (Qui-Gon). SW1 got done what it had to get done.
http://members.aol.com/dannilalfletch/Jedi_Monk.jpg

Homosexual Ewok
07-03-2002, 01:32 AM
Good guy flick = Robots, naked women, dinosaurs, guns, more naked women, space ships, naked female aliens, swords, naked female dinosaurs, blood, monsters, guys in hockey masks killing naked women, car chases, lots of fighting, lots of profanity.

Good chick flick = 4 old broads sitting around drinking coffee and crying.


People will almost try to hate Star Wars/Science fiction even before they see it.
They are the same types who get all uptight when someone rips a fart in an elevator, instead of just giggling like everyone else.

Dath Maximus
07-03-2002, 01:33 AM
Originally posted by Homosexual Ewok
Good guy flick = Robots, naked women, dinosaurs, guns, more naked women, space ships, naked female aliens, swords, naked female dinosaurs, blood, monsters, guys in hockey masks killing naked women, car chases, lots of fighting, lots of profanity.

Good chick flick = 4 old broads sitting around drinking coffee and crying.


you really do scare me

Skuttle24
07-03-2002, 01:41 AM
Good guy flick = Robots, naked women, dinosaurs, guns, more naked women, space ships, naked female aliens, swords, naked female dinosaurs, blood, monsters, guys in hockey masks killing naked women, car chases, lots of fighting, lots of profanity.



Hell's Yea!!!:laughing:

Vestril
07-03-2002, 02:05 AM
Her all time favorite movie is Willow!!

Holy moley!! That movie is awesome!!!!!

Good guy flick = Robots, naked women, dinosaurs, guns, more naked women, space ships, naked female aliens, swords, naked female dinosaurs, blood, monsters, guys in hockey masks killing naked women, car chases, lots of fighting, lots of profanity.

Good chick flick = 4 old broads sitting around drinking coffee and crying.


That wasn't funny until the 'Good chick flick' part. At that point:
:rofl::lol::rofl:

Critics dislike Star Wars because of a fairly complex situation. You see there are a few, famous critics who are really loudmouthed, and seem smart, so people believe them. The trouble is that they have really bad taste in movies, so they rave over crap, and snub gold (though AotC isn't gold :p). The lesser critics are essentially sheep, and they want to look smart, so they try to pattern their taste after the few loud, seemingly smart ones, rather than form an opinion. This is why the bad reviews of good movies tend to make the same idiotic, bad points.

Women secretly love Star Wars, but some of them say they hate it to assert their power over their male companions--the nice ones don't bother pretending :p (some were just never exposed to it, if you start them at the begining, they'll generally come around).

Darth Groovy
07-03-2002, 11:30 AM
Alot of these critics are the same poeple that liked "Fight Club" which in my opinion is one of the worst movies I have ever seen. Alot of critics liked "American Beauty" , that one is pretty terrible but not as bad as Fight Club. Unlike Fight Club, American Beauty held my interst until the terrible ending. Fight Club insulted me all the way through and really stuck it too me with one of the stupidest endings I have ever seen. Most critics also like movies if they are "foriegn" or Avant Guard. Critics also love "The English Patient", Hell, I am not going to even touch that one!:barf:

shidobu
07-03-2002, 11:37 AM
I tend to just ignore critics these days. they never have anything to say that affects me.

On the women thing, I went to see ep 2 with a big group [like 10] on my friends, and there were more girls than guys in it. [like a 6/4 split I think] I even had a lightsaber fight with one of them after the movie. whoever made teh generalization that women don't like Star Wars is hanging out with the wrong women.

Darth Groovy
07-03-2002, 11:46 AM
Originally posted by shidobu
I tend to just ignore critics these days. they never have anything to say that affects me.

On the women thing, I went to see ep 2 with a big group [like 10] on my friends, and there were more girls than guys in it. [like a 6/4 split I think] I even had a lightsaber fight with one of them after the movie. whoever made teh generalization that women don't like Star Wars is hanging out with the wrong women.

Have your people call my people and let's do lunch!

Woad
07-04-2002, 09:01 AM
Originally posted by darthgroovyii
Alot of these critics are the same poeple that liked "Fight Club" which in my opinion is one of the worst movies I have ever seen. Alot of critics liked "American Beauty" , that one is pretty terrible but not as bad as Fight Club. Unlike Fight Club, American Beauty held my interst until the terrible ending. Fight Club insulted me all the way through and really stuck it too me with one of the stupidest endings I have ever seen. Most critics also like movies if they are "foriegn" or Avant Guard. Critics also love "The English Patient", Hell, I am not going to even touch that one!:barf:


Wow, I completely disaggre with everything you just said bud. But that's okay :D

Twilite Zoner
07-04-2002, 12:41 PM
Critics as a whole never like anything even remotely science fiction related. Why you ask? Because they have no imagination!!!

Shadow Angel
07-04-2002, 01:02 PM
That is totally true. I have a general hatred for film critics, because they always like the bad movies. This goes the same for Oscars/Academy Awards judges. This is the formula:

Celebrities, real-life setting, down-to-earth plot, Steven Spielberg, crying women = GOOD.

Science fiction, grandiose good vs. evil adventures (besides Greek mythology), action scenes = BAD.

Of course, those are general statements, and the first Star Wars won 8 Academy Awards, but still. Last year's winner, A Beautiful Mind? How many people saw that movie?

Monster's Ball? I never even heard of that movie until after the Oscars.

I have yet to see one sci-fi to win an award for Best Picture.

Lime-Light
07-04-2002, 01:29 PM
A beautiful Mind was very good. Very good.

And I dont see where the generalization about critics hating action came about. Look at Saving Private Ryan, Black Hawk Down, Gladiator, ect. And as for critics hating sci fi...most of it is crap. The OT was great (with the exception of Ewoks....*shudder*), but I do feel the Prequals are a little too formuliac (sp?), and did too many things the exact same way as the OT. There isnt enough innovation. Sure, I love them all, its STAR WARS!! But, I'd like them to be better. I'm crossing my figers with Episode III.

obi
07-04-2002, 01:35 PM
A lot of sci-fi movies are crap, like lime-light said.

Examples:

Event horizon(stupidest acting i ever seen)

LEGEND (with tom cruise :rolleyes:)

and I didn't really like

Star Trek: TMP(obvious reasons)


And there was some really poor acting in Episode II. THe movie was good to a star wars fan, but not for the average movie-goer.

and yes, A Beautiful Mind was very very very good. I really enjoyed it.

Shadow Angel
07-04-2002, 01:41 PM
If I were a judge, I would have voted for Lord of the Rings.

I probably should have explained "action" more in detail. The movies you said are historical, real-world type. You never see things like Blade, The Matrix, Batman, or Mortal Kombat there, do ya? (Well, I don't know about Matrix, but still.)

Alright, I'll hand it to you that most sci-fi movies are bad. But, that's just because they're not directed well, too corny, etc. I liked The Lawnmower Man, Independence Day, Fifth Element, Matrix, and a slew of other good sci-fi's out there, though. And, of course, Star Wars.

Shadow Angel
07-04-2002, 01:46 PM
And I didn't say Beautiful Mind wasn't good.

However, I will not ever even remotely say that I enjoyed Titanic. I mean, it didn't SUCK, but I totally missed the big deal that all the film critics made about it.

But, I think you got my general idea about how critics think, right?

Lime-Light
07-04-2002, 01:49 PM
Ok, Batman and the Matrix, but Mortal Combat? And I would have gone for LoTR too. A Beautiful Mind was touching, scary, real, but LoTR made you feel like you had just witnessed something grand, something amazing and important, even though it never took place.

I agree with you about your favorite Sci-Fi movies Shadow (except MK, hehe), but there are outnumber by the crappy ones. I did like Event Horizon, just becuase it scared me, and was an interesting idea, but I would call it a horror flick more than sci-fi.

I dont like critics very often, just becuase they hate everything, and most only like certain movies, and so everything else is deemed crap. You can find flaws in everything.

Shadow Angel
07-04-2002, 02:05 PM
Sorry, I love the games, so I'm biased towards MK. Yes, I know there was nothing special in the movie. (But you have to admit that it was a much better game-to-movie conversion than everything else.)

obi
07-04-2002, 02:10 PM
For a really good movie,

"Final Fantasy"

Kick but movie!!!!

what do ya think?

Homosexual Ewok
07-04-2002, 02:10 PM
Best non-Science Fiction movies:

1-Fast Times at Ridgemont High
2-Bachleor Party
2-Up in Smoke
3-Porkys (the first one)
4-Orgazmo (you got to see this one)
5-Animal House
6-National Lampoons Vacation (only the first one)
7-Trading Places

Notice a trend?

Lime-Light
07-04-2002, 02:22 PM
Yes....

I can see why you're named that now.

Shadow Angel
07-04-2002, 02:27 PM
Originally posted by obi-wan13
For a really good movie,

"Final Fantasy"

Kick but movie!!!!

what do ya think?

As a stand-alone film, it was excellent. The CG was breathtaking, too. But it had, like, no relation to the Final Fantasy game series at all. And that's what I came to see the movie for. Thought I would get swords or gunblades clashing against a 6-foot long Masamune until a vampire-like dude shoots 'em all up with his guns, some cool magic spells, a rich guy with a big-ass cannon on his penthouse suite. As you can tell, I was a bit disappointed.

And Homo Ewok, I'm not sure I want to see a film called "Orgazmo."

Lime-Light
07-04-2002, 02:42 PM
I've always wanted to see FF, but theres always something else at the video store. Plus I dont know jack about the FF series, but apperantly I dont need to...

Homosexual Ewok
07-04-2002, 03:04 PM
Originally posted by Shadow Angel


And Homo Ewok, I'm not sure I want to see a film called "Orgazmo."

Dude it was funny as Hell.
It is one of those wickedly twisted dark comedies about a Mormon porn star. The guys that do South Park made it. It really is a tame movie, except for the language.

I am not a big fan of pop culture; at least in the sitcom pop music sense.
I always found it funny to watch people get bent out of shape over a silly movie, this is one of those movies.
How people can sit through predictable garbage like Seinfeld and Friends and actually manage to laugh is something I just don't get.

Lime-Light
07-04-2002, 03:07 PM
Originally posted by Homosexual Ewok

How people can sit through predictable garbage like Seinfeld and Friends and actually manage to laugh is something I just don't get.

Where did that come from?

obi
07-04-2002, 03:11 PM
Originally posted by Homosexual Ewok


The guys that do South Park made it.


Well, That put that on my "NEVER WANNA SEE" list.

Eklin
07-04-2002, 03:55 PM
Most of my immediate family likes Star Wars, but I'm the only die hard fan (no, I'm not an obsessive little nerd :P).

I was watching Episode V a little while ago, and I realized that Ep1 isn't really that bad.

If you look at TPM and the original trilogy, they are quite similar.
There are only a few good actors in each movie (Harrison Ford, Liam Neeson, Ewan Mcgreggor, etc).
I think that bad acting runs in the Skywalker family.
Mark Hammil can't act.
Little midget kid from ep1 can't act.

I was really glad when Hayden Christenson broke that family curse.

The only real difference between ep1 and the OT is how well the plot was constructed.
In ep1, they rushed everything WAY WAY WAY too much.
Ep2 was a lot better, since they actually took a little more time for each scene (I just didn't like the beginning, cuz they rushed it a little bit).

Redwing
07-04-2002, 03:59 PM
Women???

Excuse moi???

Isn't that a bit of stereotyping there??

I can personally tell you you're wrong...

Tyrion
07-04-2002, 04:01 PM
Originally posted by Redwing
Women???

Excuse moi???

Isn't that a bit of stereotyping there??

I can personally tell you you're wrong...

Redwing,I've always wanted to know if your a boy or girl,can you tell me?

Homosexual Ewok
07-04-2002, 04:14 PM
Originally posted by Lime-Light


Where did that come from?
It was an example of predictable, lame cookie-cutter Hollywood product.

Why do I get the feeling I am trying to explain Andy Kaufman type humor to a PTA soccer mom?

Darth Groovy
07-04-2002, 07:53 PM
There are alot of good points here. But the sad truth is that for every good Sci-Fi movie ever made, there are at least 20 bad ones mad. Here is a short version of my list, I know this will stur up alot of flames, but then again alot of critics made me mad back in 1999. I also want to say that I though Lord of the Rings was pretty amazing, yet I was dissapointed because the movie was that long and had no real closure. Still I want to see the next one, because I know very little about Tolkein or the LOTR so I want to see how this ends. Also I wanted to say that The crap thing about Oscars, is that even if all the movies made during a particular year absolutely suck, some movie is still going to get an Oscar. Not much insentive for a director. Anyways...here is my list. I shortened it to 10 each.

The Bad:

1. Dune
2. Mission To Mars
3. Battlefield Earth
4. A.I. Artificial Intelligence
5. Contact
6. Waterworld
7. The Postman
8. Alien Nation
9. Solarbabies
10. Megaforce

The Good:
1. Star Wars
2. Forbidden Planet
3. Alien
4. Predator
5. Robocop
6. Terminator
7. Blade Runner
8. The Time Machine (old)
9. Close Encounters of the Third Kind
10. War of the Worlds

Homosexual Ewok
07-04-2002, 11:42 PM
Originally posted by darthgroovyii


The Bad:


10. Megaforce


Dude! Not even!
That flick had it all, flying motorcycles, groovy mullets, it sooo rocked.

Actually, I thought it was cool when I saw it as a little kid, but yeah it is pretty cheesy.
BTW I think this is the first time in my life that I have ever see/heard anyone mention that film, most people don't remember it.
All top-secret commando squads were baby blue headbands..

http://www.badmovies.org/movies/megaforce/megaforce5.jpg

Vestril
07-05-2002, 02:46 AM
Mark Hammil can't act

Have you even seen Star Wars?? :rolleyes:

1. Dune

The 80's movie was cool in a cheesy sort of way, and the recent miniseries was just plain awesome.

5. Contact

:rolleyes: Lemme guess, another example of good Sci-Fi is the Mighty Morphing Power Rangers?...

6. Waterworld
7. The Postman

The critics hated Waterworld!! It cost a lot of money to make!! Everyone criticize this actually decent movie. Not at all worth the money it cost to make, but a fun movie nonetheless.

Then we have: omg, Kevin Costner made ANOTHER post-apocalyptic movie?? When will he learn??? Ugh. You probably didn't even see The Postman, which, incidentally, was a good movie.

obi
07-05-2002, 02:55 AM
Originally posted by Vestril

The 80's movie was cool in a cheesy sort of way, and the recent miniseries was just plain awesome.


Dang Straight! The Dune movies Were AWESOME!!!!!!!!


My Favorite part is when they rode the worms. Somethin about that just.........kicks arse...........

Lime-Light
07-05-2002, 03:00 AM
Did you see Star Wars?

Mark Hammil cant act. He did ok in the OT, becuase thats a pretty easy character to pay. But you'll notice he never made any other notable movies. Thats becuase he cant act.

And Contact was pretty good, but I would have liked to see some kind of Alien...

As for groovy's list, I think you could remove Robocop and tack Aliens there instead.

Robbiesan
07-05-2002, 03:52 AM
lol

Darth Groovy
07-05-2002, 04:23 AM
I could put Aliens in there, but know way would I remove Robocop. In fact the only reason I left Aliens off, was to make sure I had room for Robocop. Remember this is only a short version of my list. And it is not designed just to make people mad, it is only one man's opinion. I am a fan of Sci-Fi but only because I like to watch it evovle over the years. There is no better way to judge the progression of time than watching a sci-fi movie! Megaforce was sweatbands and spandex galore! I admit that on occasion it is good for laughs, but it never should have been made. As for The Postman.....sure I watched it and that is another couple of hours of my life I won't get back. Really Kevin Kostner has not been in a good movie since The Untouchables. I think he is the worst actor in the world, especially since he absolutely ruined, and I do mean RUINED Robin Hood: Prince of Theives, wich could have been a great movie if somebody else would have played Sir Robin other than Costner. Now I know that comment is going to cause trouble, but I don't care. Kevin Costner needs to retire!

Darth Groovy
07-05-2002, 04:33 AM
Originally posted by Lime-Light
Did you see Star Wars?

Mark Hammil cant act. He did ok in the OT, becuase thats a pretty easy character to pay. But you'll notice he never made any other notable movies. Thats becuase he cant act.


You are right about that. Acting has never been a strong point in the Star Wars movies. It is usually a mix of actors who can and cannot act. But then again it is hard for some poeple to demonstrate any talent when they are part of a story that is told at light speed.[/B][/QUOTE]

And Contact was pretty good, but I would have liked to see some kind of Alien...[/B][/QUOTE]

I had high hopes for this movie which is probably why I hated it so much. I totally love Jodie Foster, I think she is an amazing actress. I just felt this movie took me absolutely no where, I left in discust. To have seen something at the end would have been nice, but this trend was popular in the Blair Witch project also. Contact is like a Blair Witch with a budget, and equally awful.

As for groovy's list, I think you could remove Robocop and tack Aliens there instead. [/B][/QUOTE]

It might have been easier for me to have just put in Alien Legacy but I don't like all of the films the same. Aliens was the crown in that particular series I agree. It seems so long ago but Alien started a new trend in Sci-Fi that some film producers just can't leave alone. I saw an old 50's B movie called "IT came from Another Planet" or something like that, that had the exact same plot and set up as Alien......wierd huh?

Darth Groovy
07-05-2002, 04:41 AM
Originally posted by obi-wan13


Dang Straight! The Dune movies Were AWESOME!!!!!!!!


My Favorite part is when they rode the worms. Somethin about that just.........kicks arse...........

I have not seen anything past the one with Kyle Mcglaughlin. The only thing good about this film is special effects, but like Contact, I left confused and angry. When they put it on television the first time they used a narator. So I thought "cool" maybe now I could figure out what was going on, but by the middle of the film I was lost again. I am sorrry but a movie that requires you to read the book just to understand the plot and story is not entertainment in my opion. Dune was probably the biggest dud of the 80's, but at least it did not star Kevin Costner.

I would be willing to give something in the Dune universe a second chance, only if I can figure out what is going on. I love the sets and the worms, but not enough to sit through another disaster like the first one. Sorry.

Old_Ben
07-05-2002, 04:42 AM
Originally posted by Lime-Light
Did you see Star Wars?

Mark Hammil cant act. He did ok in the OT, becuase thats a pretty easy character to pay. But you'll notice he never made any other notable movies. Thats becuase he cant act.


http://www.markhamill.com/frames.htm

Don't tell these people that.

obi
07-05-2002, 04:46 AM
You know, Old_Ben, That site just reminded me of how ugly Mark Hamill is.

IMHFC..............HA!

Darth Groovy
07-05-2002, 05:26 AM
Originally posted by obi-wan13
You know, Old_Ben, That site just reminded me of how ugly Mark Hamill is.

IMHFC..............HA!

Who's uglier? Mark Hamill or Billy Dee Williams?

Billy Dee-Billy Dee-Billy Dee!

Old_Ben
07-05-2002, 05:35 AM
Originally posted by darthgroovyii

Billy Dee-Billy Dee-Billy Dee!

Did you know that Billy Dee Williams has his own web art gallery and he even painted a self portrait.

http://bdwworldart.com/

:thumbsup:

obi
07-05-2002, 05:38 AM
Originally posted by Old_Ben




http://bdwworldart.com/



I have three letters for that site. "W" , "T" , and "F."

oh yea, and a "?"

Darth Groovy
07-05-2002, 05:40 AM
Originally posted by Old_Ben


Did you know that Billy Dee Williams has his own web art gallery and he even painted a self portrait.

http://bdwworldart.com/

:thumbsup:

I read that he did in Starlog Magazine. Not too bad! Thanks for the link.



"That's just what we call pillow talk baby!"

_Ash

Woad
07-05-2002, 07:02 AM
Originally posted by Old_Ben


http://www.markhamill.com/frames.htm

Don't tell these people that.


LOL Did you notice that under 'Current Projects' it said 'Coming Soon'?

Darth Groovy
07-05-2002, 07:19 AM
Originally posted by Woad



LOL Did you notice that under 'Current Projects' it said 'Coming Soon'?

It's probably been there since 1983.

Lime-Light
07-05-2002, 08:00 AM
THIS JUST IN. Mark Hammil will be appearing at the Wing Commander comemerative convention in Cleveland. All Fan Club members are expected to come.

SharaFett
07-05-2002, 08:58 AM
sienfeld was rated the best sitcom in the history of television by virtually every component of the media. so i dont know what you're talking about.

Darth Knight
07-05-2002, 09:00 AM
i hate critics

i love all of the star wars movies i think you need to look at the good instead of nitpicking the little things that are bad yeah i do know the acting does get dumb in some parts though

Vestril
07-05-2002, 11:16 AM
Mark Hammil cant act. He did ok in the OT, becuase thats a pretty easy character to pay. But you'll notice he never made any other notable movies. Thats becuase he cant act.

No...it's because his face was screwed up from a car accident and he was typecast because he didn't go far afield from SW. Let's do an exercise: in the end of RotJ Luke has lines like most of the characters in AotC, name an actor who did a better job with those lines that was not Christopher Lee. Hrmmm...not many. Even Samuel Jackson did a poor job with 'em.

I had high hopes for this movie which is probably why I hated it so much. I totally love Jodie Foster, I think she is an amazing actress. I just felt this movie took me absolutely no where, I left in discust. To have seen something at the end would have been nice, but this trend was popular in the Blair Witch project also. Contact is like a Blair Witch with a budget, and equally awful.

You know, I was really dissapointed by Contact when I saw it in theaters, I was expecting a hardcore Sci-Fi extravaganza, and got what I got. But then I happened to watch it on HBO when I was bored at a family friends house, without any expectations, and I really enjoyed it. You may want to try watching it again...

As for Kevin Costner, he is iffy, certainly--nothing stellar about his acting, but he makes for a good enough movie. That one about the Cuban Missile Crisis was his best acting, IMO (can't recall the title at the moment).

Darth Groovy
07-05-2002, 11:44 AM
Originally posted by Vestril


No...it's because his face was screwed up from a car accident and he was typecast because he didn't go far afield from SW. Let's do an exercise: in the end of RotJ Luke has lines like most of the characters in AotC, name an actor who did a better job with those lines that was not Christopher Lee. Hrmmm...not many. Even Samuel Jackson did a poor job with 'em.



You know, I was really dissapointed by Contact when I saw it in theaters, I was expecting a hardcore Sci-Fi extravaganza, and got what I got. But then I happened to watch it on HBO when I was bored at a family friends house, without any expectations, and I really enjoyed it. You may want to try watching it again...

As for Kevin Costner, he is iffy, certainly--nothing stellar about his acting, but he makes for a good enough movie. That one about the Cuban Missile Crisis was his best acting, IMO (can't recall the title at the moment).

I know which one you are talking about, I try to stay clear of anything he is in, but the Cuban Missle crisis was a good subject. Another Costner movie I failed to mention was JFK. That one was pretty good, but not because of Costner.

Breton
07-18-2002, 09:15 AM
Why the critics did not like TPM, I cannot say. I think it was a great movie, and is my SW favourite.