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Pada-Wan
07-15-2002, 12:34 PM
I was wondering this because wasn't Anakin/Vadar the "Chosen one"? He was supposed to be the most powerful Jedi ever. Yet Luke beat him when he was swinging like a madman. And Luke didn't have much training and became a Jedi at a old age. So why did he beat Vadar?

Zindell
07-15-2002, 12:39 PM
He went easy on him because he was his son, nuff said.

Grets Sirob
07-15-2002, 12:41 PM
(non-flame)
Have you actually seen the movies?
If not I suggest you go watch them...




:emperor: I shall rule the galaxy.

Yoda_623
07-15-2002, 12:42 PM
He felt sorry for Luke,plus he had good in him,and I think he wanted to go back to the light side.

eben15
07-15-2002, 12:43 PM
Vader, was the chosen one who would bring balance to the force, he did this by throwing the emperor down a well. Vader's being the chosen one didn't make him any more of a badass. Vader, let Luke win. He did not want to kill his son, he was trying to get Luke to kill him in anger, thus completing his journey to the dark side. :duel:

Shadow Angel
07-15-2002, 01:12 PM
Wow, I'm so far the only one that voted for "he was beaten by the better man". Not to say that the others couldn't be true, but I believe that Luke really is better. Let's face it, the entire "chosen one" thing is pretty corny, and doesn't mean that Anakin/Vader will win everything. Look at AOTC, for example. He got his @$$ handed to him by Darth Tyranus, even though he had two sabers.

If you want to bring up the point that Luke's moves weren't flashy like in the prequels, well, I think that was just due to either technical purposes because certain limitations, or that the choerographer was too lazy. If ROTJ were made today, Luke would put Darth Maul or Tyranus to shame in skill and flashy moves.
I didn't see Vader do anything impressive, either, especially the Vader vs. Obi-Wan fight in ANH.

In addition, Luke is the main hero of the OT, not Vader, no matter how many times you look at it. In fact, the whole "chosen one" thing was probably not even thought of back in 1984.

It doesn't matter if you like him or not, people just don't seem to acknowledge the fact that Luke Skywalker, son the "chosen one," is a force (pun intended, I suppose) to be reckoned with. And I'm not going to credit EU on this one, either, because they made him look like a wimp, even compared to his own sudents.

Now, who agrees with me?

Hanch Saode
07-15-2002, 05:20 PM
2 things....

1. He was his son...Vader felt great feelings for his son...so he didn't wish to hurt him.

2. Luke was the offspring of the Chosen One....need I say more?

Darth Groovy
07-15-2002, 05:37 PM
I think Vader was torn between fullfilling his master's wishes for turning Luke over to the Darkside, and the love he had hidden for his son. He knew that either way death was imminate so he choose to kill the emporer for the love of his son. That's my ten cents, my two cents is free.

Pada-Wan
07-16-2002, 05:58 AM
"(non-flame)
Have you actually seen the movies?
If not I suggest you go watch them..."

of course i saw the movies, i just wanted to know everyone's thoughts on why luke beat vadar. some people say he was too old, some say he let luke win, etc. I voted for vadar going on him easy

-[MotU]-Lyger|=-
07-16-2002, 07:27 AM
Vader Lost because the good inside of him was getting to him and luke went ape sh-t on vader in rage over the fact that Vader might turn leia to the darkside, but it was REAL stupid if you guys just watch, vader just goes limp. seriously for no reason he just gives up laying on the ground and has his arm resting on a poll and luke just comes around and chops it off

Kyth'emos
07-16-2002, 07:40 AM
Originally posted by Hanch Saode
2 things....

1. He was his son...Vader felt great feelings for his son...so he didn't wish to hurt him.

2. Luke was the offspring of the Chosen One....need I say more?

1. I agree

2. offspring. That would make him less powerfull than Vader because Padme wasn't particularly force sensetive.

My opinion: Vader didn't want to kill his own son + Whatever put Vader in that suit (oh I don't, know maybe falling into a pit of Lava for example but since I have yet to see EP 3 I can't say thats what it was for sure.) also probably made him less than half as powerful (he is more man than machine and a machine can't be force sensetive) while Luke is theoreticaly marginally more than half as powerfull as Anakin so Luke was more powerful than Vader.

Clem
07-16-2002, 07:43 AM
hate to say this but

Luke = Good guy

Vader = Bad Guy

the bad guy neva wins ..... end of story

Kyth'emos
07-16-2002, 07:43 AM
Oh and I voted for #3 even though it really is a combination of 1, 3, and 4.

techsurfer
07-17-2002, 01:48 AM
Luke ignited the inner conflict in vader between good and evil which vader thought had been quenched. This threw him off balance and he started to feel for his son - not a traight of the dark side - so when Luke got angry and started hacking like crazy he was able to cut off Vader's hand.

WolfmanNCSU
07-17-2002, 02:07 AM
Originally posted by techsurfer
Luke ignited the inner conflict in vader between good and evil which vader thought had been quenched.

Yeah, this is what I was thinking too. Something simular.

Divine Spirit
07-17-2002, 05:51 AM
IMO Vader went easy on Luke because the Emporer wanted Luke to stay alive and use his hate to turn to the dark side. Unfortunately for Vader, Luke was better than he expected and he managed to overpower Vader.