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rut-wa jodar
07-15-2002, 10:06 PM
According to the official Star Wars fact file Luke had his first Saber Duel which took place nearly 2 years after the battle of Yavin on a planet called Mimban.
Apparentley Luke temporarily defeated vader by using something called the Kiaburr crystal which enhanced his force abilities and allowed obi-wan`s spirit to temporarily possess Luke.

During the saber battle Luke ironically severed vader`s right mechanical arm, vader then stumbled into a well, which enabled Luke to escape. :lsduel:

Mercen4ry
07-15-2002, 10:08 PM
Excuse me, but, huh? I'm lost here... :rolleyes:

Agen
07-15-2002, 10:15 PM
Excuse me while i lose myself down a black hole. :cyb2:

JrKASperov
07-15-2002, 10:19 PM
SEE! Obiwan would have kicked Vaders ass!:D

Hanch Saode
07-15-2002, 11:35 PM
Now where did I hear that story before?? Can you tell me?

techsurfer
07-16-2002, 02:37 AM
thats's totally rubbish - it probably says that under the EU part which is totally UNOFFICIAL. Luke got his ass kicked by Vader in their first encounter on Bespin - otherwise he wouldn't have said "Obi Wan has taught you well" because he would have known Obi-Wan couldn't train Luke inbetween the encounters becasue he's dead!

Camus
07-16-2002, 02:45 AM
Originally posted by techsurfer
thats's totally rubbish - it probably says that under the EU part which is totally UNOFFICIAL. Luke got his ass kicked by Vader in their first encounter on Bespin - otherwise he wouldn't have said "Obi Wan has taught you well" because he would have known Obi-Wan couldn't train Luke inbetween the encounters becasue he's dead!

Accually... EU is Official... If you want to write a book go ahead but you have to get GL to aprove of it before its printed... You should read the writer notes a little more... :D

Hanch Saode
07-16-2002, 02:53 AM
But actually....it doesn't fit in then...since the encounter on Bespin was the first between Vader and his son.....so it can't be that they met before...

EDIT: And even if you somehow would "prove" otherwise, I wouldn't believe you :p

Jedi_Monk
07-16-2002, 03:46 AM
It happens in Splinter of the Mind's Eye by Alan Dean Foster. It's the first original SW novel, published in 1978 the year after ANH's release and before ESB. Luke defeats Vader because he's posessed by the spirit of Obi-Wan Kenobi. It's actually a pretty great book; the best EU one I've read.

And the EU is not SW canon. Official yes, canon no. You can't just write to Lucas with your manuscript and he says he'll let it be published. He's delegated the production of SW novels to Lucasbooks, I believe, who only publish solicited works (i.e. they hire an author to write something... they hired Hambly twice). Lucas consents for SW books to be published, but he doesn't actually read them or give much (if any) input. Therefore, the EU is packed with things contradicted by Lucas' movies which invalidate them as a part of the SW canon. The SW books, as far as Lucas is conserned, take place in a parallel universe.

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Camus
07-16-2002, 03:52 AM
Yeah... Sunrise does the same thing with Gundam... :s

Darth Knight
07-16-2002, 06:33 AM
that would have sucked if it was in the movie it would have been like vader is weak or something

Shadow Angel
07-16-2002, 06:37 AM
Could someone please fill me in on what exactly is a Fact File?

Nebelwerfer_
07-16-2002, 09:56 AM
Luke cuts off vaders hand before ESB... Yah right...
so that makes it 3 times vader has got his hand cut off:confused:

SharaFett
07-16-2002, 10:17 AM
waitaminute- just because it's in EU does NOT mean it's official. George Lucas CLEARLY said this in an interview when TPM came out. For example, there are many different rumors to Boba fett- who he was and what he did- in EU. all of them are 100% false. his name IS NOT jester mareel. he was NOT a stormtrooper. there are more examples of EU contradictions with the movies. and for the record, bespin is the first time luke and vader fight. the FIRST time- so no more of this crap by alan foster. there's a REASON why eu has it's own separate section from the official movies on starwars.com. Also, alan foster isnt half the writer micheal stackpole and timothy zhan are.

-[MotU]-Lyger|=-
07-16-2002, 10:20 AM
whatever, i still thought it was cool. cause luke held his own for a good long while, and i just always wonderd what was the Vader he fought on Daguba??

Darth Kaan
07-16-2002, 10:39 AM
Well Im not getting into the EU/Canon aspect of this, but...

Splinter of the minds eye is an absolutly outstanding read. Best EU book Ive ever read, it's even better than Zhans trilogy and Kevin J Andersons Jedi Academy trilogy, IMHO.

SharaFett
07-16-2002, 10:43 AM
really? you guys here rank splinter up there with the thrawn series and I, Jedi ?

Darth Talliusc
07-16-2002, 12:09 PM
the EU may not be as official as the movies but its the next highest up there, and there are alot of contradictions between movies and books but we'll pretend those dont exist, i liked splinter alot but it doesnt compete with the Thrawn trilogy, anything about Mitth'Raw'Nuruodo is gold! I jedi was also good, as for the discussion about vader vs luke well they fought a number of times, on Mimban, Bespin, the Tarkin battlestation (no not the deathstar and i didnt read this so i cant tell you more about it buts its in the official guide to starwars characters) and finally on the second deathstar. you may choose to believe that that stuff isnt important and doesnt follow the storyline but GL approved it so its ok.

SharaFett
07-16-2002, 01:26 PM
the only eu book i thought that didnt "corrupt" the original trilogy was shadows of the empire. that's my favorite sw book personally :)

techsurfer
07-17-2002, 02:43 AM
Lyger, I always thought that the 'Vader' he fought against on Dagobah was the dark side inside Luke - that's why his head was shown when the helmet exploded. Yoda said that the 'thing' in there was "whatever you take in". Luke took in fear and his guns so that was projected out to him as version of Darth Vader.

Nebelwerfer_
07-17-2002, 09:10 AM
yes, that's right