View Full Version : The reason EPII got bad ratings.

Revan Bakr'
07-17-2002, 05:15 AM
What's the deal with that love story?! I mean, come on, anybody else want a refund after that crybaby attitude Christensen put on?
Padme: You are not all-powerful Ani.."
"Ani": "(sniffle,sniffle) But I should be!"
I hear things like "the only thing Lucas has left is special effects".. and other false remarks.The only thing I have against Lucas is his latest movies. Ep.II had great battles and I loved it. But he made the love story.... how should I put this.... undesirable. Let's hope George can pull off a good finale... or.. prequel to the finale.... whatever! I hope Episode III is better, and even though I am criticizing, those critics should not be thrashing Lucas so bad. Ep.II was a B+ at best, and a B- at worst. For a sequel, that's pretty good.

Oh, and to all you George Lucas worshipers, disregard this thread.:p

07-17-2002, 05:24 AM
THX-1138 will always be his best movie.

07-17-2002, 05:28 AM
i never knew it got bad ratings, but i didnt mind the love story, i meancome on you stupid loze. how else would they show how Anakin turned to the darkside??? duh, stupid

Darth Knight
07-17-2002, 05:32 AM
i think the love story was nessecary star wars is not all about the fighting it needs story line building and stuff

Revan Bakr'
07-17-2002, 05:32 AM
You're not getting the point. The love story is essential, but did you not find the Han/Leia thing much more standable? I just think George Lucas has lost his luster in that area.

Revan Bakr'
07-17-2002, 05:34 AM
By the way, Lyger, how do you put in a location (Learning the ways of the force)?

Alan 00X
07-17-2002, 05:38 AM
Originally posted by Revan Bakr'
You're not getting the point. The love story is essential... I just think George Lucas has lost his luster in that area.

It's hard for me to believe that they thought otherwise.

07-17-2002, 05:52 AM
Originally posted by Revan Bakr'
You're not getting the point. The love story is essential, but did you not find the Han/Leia thing much more standable? I just think George Lucas has lost his luster in that area.

thats because han/leia had 3 episodes (movies) for their love story, anakin n padme had only one.. that is why lucas had to speed up the process by making it a bunch of bs =P

Darth Kaan
07-17-2002, 06:44 AM
Originally posted by Revan Bakr'
You're not getting the point. The love story is essential, but did you not find the Han/Leia thing much more standable? I just think George Lucas has lost his luster in that area.

You have to remember Han and Leia were much older when they began there "relationship." Anakin in EPII is still a boy, and a padawan learner. Still very far from the powerful Darth Vader.
In EPII Anakin and Padme are young and in love. I didnt expect them to act like 30 year olds.

07-17-2002, 06:51 AM
the padme and anakin relationship actually started in ep 1, remember the line where anakin asked padme if she was an angel. granted padme forgot him basically, but anakin did try to impress her (which was the only thing i found in episode 1 that made me want to turn away). Also, i thought that scene after the tusken raider incident was well portrayed, i wished it got a little deeper, but it was very well acted. Anakin's confusion came off very well in my opinion. But back to the relationship, most of the time it was just anakin trying to get padme to notice him while she pushed him away, until the end basically. This is totally different from the han and leia relationship which was a budding relationship that neither wished to admit, which made their relationship less overwhelming than a horney teenager trying to get a girl's attention.

07-17-2002, 08:08 AM
i have to admit- i did cringe at some of the love scenes. i didnt like the writing on some parts, but overall, it did capture me. thus i find nothing wrong with the love scenes

07-17-2002, 08:10 AM
The love scenes were ok. I didn't really like them. But, they had to be in there to get the whole story together.

07-17-2002, 08:11 AM
Eps II is awesome good.
But the love story makes me hate it.

07-17-2002, 08:25 AM
The love story was far too long, but i loved the rest of the movie.

07-17-2002, 08:45 AM
first of all, the love story, albet cheesy, i though was done well, and secondly, what bad reviews? ebert was the only person i heard that didnt like it...

07-17-2002, 09:10 AM
I didn't mind the love story...or I wouldn't have minded it if Lucas could get half desent actors/actresses and write a good dramatic line.

Ann- I don't like sand...its all...sandy...but you're...you're not sandy...Thats why I love you.

Although I have to admit the scene where his mom died was sad but it was crippled by bad lines by the mother and him only showing him killing like 2 sand people

07-17-2002, 10:25 AM
I think that gets credit for the worst line in the movie.

Anikan: I hate sand, it gets in your butt and stuff. Sand sucks, you are totally not like sand. Can I see your boobies?

07-17-2002, 11:05 AM
Originally posted by SeraphimII

Although I have to admit the scene where his mom died was sad but it was crippled by bad lines by the mother and him only showing him killing like 2 sand people

.........everyone who has not seen Episode to say aye.

And the love story, while nescesary, was crap.

07-17-2002, 11:09 AM
the love story was needed , because it will build up to when padme dies, and anakin goes over the edge.

07-17-2002, 11:30 AM
Padme's death does not send Anikan over the edge. In ep iv, Leia, says that she remembers her mom being sad and that she died when she was young. so Padme's death couldn't be what drives Anikan, to the dark side. I think it wont be any one thing that drives Anikan. over the edge, but rather it will be more gradual, as we are seeing now. Anikan, getting married, tells us that he is pretty much through with being a jedi, even if he doesn't quit right away. Also his discussion in the field, he says that he wishes he had the power to make people do the right thing. That is exactly what the empire stands for. It is a police state. Anikan, is seduced by this idea and doesn't understand how evil the emperor really is, and by the time he realises it, he has gone too far and cant turn back to the light side. that is why he saves Luke, he has wanted to redeem himself for years, but never felt he could do it. Count Dooku, used the same argument on Obi-wan, but it didn't work, even though most of it was true. the republic was corrupt and ineffective. Here's what I think will most likely happen in ep III. Anikan, goes about his life as a jedi, but is mostly going through the motions as in his heart he has already given up on the jedi, as they really havn't eased the suffering of the people. Obi-wan, finds out about the affair, and Anikan, is expelled from the Jedi Oder. At some point Anikan, takes out his frustration at Obi-Wan, and they fight. Anikan is badly injured, accidentally, and now needs to wear the armor. Dooku, dies. Palpy, needing a new aprentice, aproches Anikan, and tells him who he is. He gives him the line of join me and we can fix whats wrong with the galaxy. Anikans anger drives him to help exterminate the Jedi.

Anybody else can try to fill in the gaps that I missed.

Darth Talliusc
07-17-2002, 11:39 AM
anakin goes to the darkside after he and padme have a falling out, (thats why padme is sad). he is slowly going in that direction and they have an arguement, he loses his temper and she gets scared for the babies, she then flees to alderaan after taking luke and obi-wan to tattooine.

and as for the critics thing, its because all the critics now are old. they all remember the original starwars movies as a child, or at least very young. they dont feel the same way about the new movies because they are no longer children (ie easily awed by great storylines). if they had younger critics then ep2 would get a great rating. and i didnt mind the lovestory much.... just some of the dumb lines "i truly.... deeply.... love you, and before we die i want you to know...." ugggh, pass me the puke bucket.

07-17-2002, 11:45 AM
Episode II? Theres an Episode II?

Sniper Wolf
07-17-2002, 11:52 AM
Dude ya know what I say? **** THE CRITICS! It was still an awesome movie and people don't have to be all pessimistic and say it sucked. It was a quality movie and I enjoyed it. Leave it at that.

Darth Groovy
07-17-2002, 02:07 PM
Actually Lucas is going to devote all of his attention to making prequals for "Howard the Duck" which is expected to out sell Titantic at the box offices.

P.s. If you post it.......they will come!

07-17-2002, 04:04 PM
hehe im gonna get flame for this but i don't think the prequels (ep 2 is better than ep 1) are as good as the originals in the plots. The action sequences and special effects are brilliant (i ove the fights) but the story is just not convincing, and the characters flat. This is best shown in the 'love story' The reason for this i think is that george lucas tried to explain (the universe, the technologies, how the story began, etc) too much, and sort of let the plot slip. Don't get me wrong, i actually liked ep 2 but i fell it is just not in the same mould of the originals

on a different note, i think the emperor will do to anakin what he would try to do to luke in RotJ, the difference in trying to taunt anakin into fight his apprentice of THAT time, count Dooku...so that anakin replaces dooku and becomes vader

07-17-2002, 05:03 PM
Well they are critics. It's their job to find faults in movies.

07-17-2002, 05:21 PM
.......and then make them 10x as big

07-17-2002, 10:43 PM
anakin has his struggles with obi-wan and the counsil while his heart is leading him to palpatine. padme is caught in the middle of this. so in a way, padme is what escalates all of this and causes anakiin 2 bcum vader

X R Kun
07-17-2002, 10:48 PM
the only thing i have against the love scenes is the lack of actual love making. I sure like to see padme getting screwed and moaning like a Bantha....

07-17-2002, 11:00 PM
Both Anakin's were/are horrible actors. Great for action sequences, bad when they have to open their mouths......

Also GL tried to fit too much story into such a short time. EPI could have easily been 2 if not 3 movies by itself(although i'd have offed myself if I had to listen to Jake Loyd act for 3 movies).

The love story is only there to tie everything together. If they had more time (more movies) I think GL could have done more with the dialog.

The love story in EPII reminds me of the love story in Dune. It's rushed, and only used to tie the story together. Unfortunately in EPII it detracts from the quality of the movie, where in Dune you could just forget it happened.

Just my 2 bits....

07-18-2002, 01:51 AM
Well, first of all, I remember a "little" scene in TPM where Anakin asks Padme, if she is an angel. Then next thing we hear in AOTC is all those Shakesperian lines delivered by Anakin.

So, how I see this whole debate about "lousy, forced romance" is the fact that Anakin has always had romanticed view about love and he lacks the charm and experience of Han Solo who was a real womanizer(even in the cantina scene there was originally going to be woman sitting next to Solo when Obi and Luke come in) before he met Leia. Maybe he reads poetry in the Jedi library when he isn't driving speeder or making his master grazy. ;)

Also, what makes these "badly written" lines acceptable in general is the fact that they are said "a long time ago in a galaxy far far way", and romance between Anakin and Padme is forbidden and doomed to end tragically making it VERY similar to that one in Romeo and Juliet.

07-18-2002, 02:30 AM
OK, maybe I should clarify myself somewhat. I don't think that the dialog was that bad. GL did what he could in the time allowed and managed to get the point across. My complaint was the acting ability of Anikin 1 and 2. Both were horrible actors. They could have easily come up with a better actor for the parts.

Come to think of it Mark Hammil wasn't the best actor either so maybe it runs in the family, and that's what GL wanted....

Who knows?!?! I still love the movies and they are still my all-time favorites, but I still believe GL could have done better than the Ani's.......

07-18-2002, 06:55 AM
I'm not kidding here, but EPII's love scenes were **** because padme and ani are using british and american accents.

It makes it confusing as well as unnatural, so that is where some of the critics criticize the acting. If they just had those two characters use their normal accents (from those in real life), it would have been a lot better.

Think of luke, han or leia? none had english accents. For good reason - they could act very naturally since they were used to that tone of voice.


Revan Bakr'
07-18-2002, 07:50 AM
Yeah I agree, Solo is a womanizer. But he was so funny to watch in TESB on Hoth.

Han:"Who's scruffy-looking?"
and other lines.